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Why SHOULD he produce it? To what purpose? To show that he will bend over backwards to appease any nutjob that comes along asking for documentation of this or that?
Absurd.
He has produced what was required and it has been verified and attested to. But THAT didn't stop these nutjobs, now did it? Why should he assume that producing the pink polka-dot form with the bird of paradise watermark and the coconut foot imprint would appease them?
It won't. So why waste another minute on this idiocy?
Idiots will be idiots - why should a POTUS allow himself to get sucked into their silly games?
Only one problem with that. The COLB didn't exist in '61. The state started using that form in the early 2000's.The newspaper's "proof" of birth, therefore, could be based on a state-issued "Certification of Live Birth" which, as WND has reported is insufficient alone, even for some State Department officials, to document the birthplace.Wrong.
In November 2008, The Advertiser reported that the first published mention of the future president appeared in a Sunday Advertiser birth announcement that ran on Aug. 13, 1961:
"Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4."
The identical announce- ment ran the following day in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin.
Birthers wave off those birth announcements, saying that Obama family members 48 years ago could have phoned in false information to both newspapers.
Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, Okubo said.
Birth announcements from the public ran elsewhere in both papers and usually included information such as the newborn's name, weight and time of birth.
"Take a second and think about that," wrote Robert Farley of the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times' Pulitzer Prize winning Web site PoliticFact.com on July 1. "In order to phony those notices up, it would have required the complicity of the state Health Department and two independent newspapers on the off chance this unnamed child might want to one day be president of the United States."
Hawaii officials confirm Obama's original birth certificate still exists | HonoluluAdvertiser.com | The Honolulu Advertiser
Not true.Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, the very "evidence" the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.
That law came into effect in 1981.Hawaiian law specifically allows "an adult or the legal parents of a minor child" to apply to the health department and, upon unspecified proof, be given the birth document.
See my above post.The unanswered question, since the Obama announcement carried an address and no name, was whether the state provided addresses at one time and stopped, and didn't provide the name, or whether the information was obtained in some other fashion.
See my above post.Likewise, the Honolulu Advertiser, which ran a Barack Obama birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Sunday Advertiser, relies on the state-issued certification, rather than reporting from hospitals.
Which received their information based upon information received from hospitals.The Advertiser's Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama's birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health. That would include the address.
Because by NOT releasing it he creates a suspicion he has something to hide. More and more Americans are asking themselves what that is. The left uses ridicule to attempt to marginalize those who ask why because any other line of attack means answering tough questions.
Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, the very "evidence" the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.
Emma - I appreciate your laying it all out there like that - I applaud your patience. I've just been through it so many times before that I now believe that birthers don't WANT answers - they've already gotten them. They just want to try to create an illusion of an issue.
Because by NOT releasing it he creates a suspicion he has something to hide. More and more Americans are asking themselves what that is. The left uses ridicule to attempt to marginalize those who ask why because any other line of attack means answering tough questions.
No, there is no suspecion swirling around Obama on this issue. It has been settled - long ago. The only thing more and more Americans are asking themselves is whether or not these "birthers" ate a lot of paint chips as children - seriously - 99.9% of all Americans think they are absolute nut cases because 99.9% of Americans realize the issue has been settled.
"Birthers" get ridiculed by left, right and all points in between, because they are acting looney - period. I'm sorry if you find that insulting - but if you don't want people to think you're looney, don't do looney stuff.
Emma - I appreciate your laying it all out there like that - I applaud your patience. I've just been through it so many times before that I now believe that birthers don't WANT answers - they've already gotten them. They just want to try to create an illusion of an issue.
It wouldn't matter if they were able to see the "long form" BC. They still wouldn't believe it to be a true copy (they are convinced the state is in on the conspiracy too).
That is your opinion, not a fact.
Show me the long form and I'll be satisfied.
I'm not insulted by it...I'm just pointing it out for what it is...a political tactic used to silence the opposition..nothing more, nothing less. Once one sees it for what it is, the spell is broken, and it's usefulness as a tool is drained...knowledge is indeed power.
Show me the long form and I'll be satisfied.
I'm not insulted by it...I'm just pointing it out for what it is...a political tactic used to silence the opposition..nothing more, nothing less. Once one sees it for what it is, the spell is broken, and it's usefulness as a tool is drained...knowledge is indeed power.
Ahhhh but what happens when you are forced to confront the fact that someone who has no political party - and therefore has no political opposition - and therefore has no motive to silence anyone - (those like me) say it's looney?
I'm not trying to silence anyone - I couldn't care less how foolish people make themselves look. I just call 'em like I see 'em. The birthers are the ones who have been shouting "STFU" not me. Who is trying to silence opposition? Who is simply trying to show some folks how ridiculous they look?
Show me the long form and I'll be satisfied.
Who cares if YOU are satisfied - are you laboring under the delusion that YOUR satisfaction is required for anything? Are you under the impression that it is Obama's responsibility to alter the laws of the United States of America until YOU are satisfied?
How arrogant.
No wonder you guys aren't winning any friends or influencing any people.
Show me the long form and I'll be satisfied.
Who cares if YOU are satisfied - are you laboring under the delusion that YOUR satisfaction is required for anything? Are you under the impression that it is Obama's responsibility to alter the laws of the United States of America until YOU are satisfied?
How arrogant.
No wonder you guys aren't winning any friends or influencing any people.
I am laboring under the assumtion that as long as my requests are reasonable, I have as much right to voice my request and my concerns about the refusal to provide the long form birth certificate as any other American.
If it is arrogant to question the motivations of our leaders actions, few are not guity.
Obama need not alter any laws....total red herring.
All that is required is a release of the document in question...you know...transparency.
I am laboring under the assumtion that as long as my requests are reasonable, I have as much right to voice my request and my concerns about the refusal to provide the long form birth certificate as any other American.
Who cares if YOU are satisfied - are you laboring under the delusion that YOUR satisfaction is required for anything? Are you under the impression that it is Obama's responsibility to alter the laws of the United States of America until YOU are satisfied?
How arrogant.
No wonder you guys aren't winning any friends or influencing any people.
I am laboring under the assumtion that as long as my requests are reasonable, I have as much right to voice my request and my concerns about the refusal to provide the long form birth certificate as any other American.
If it is arrogant to question the motivations of our leaders actions, few are not guity.
Obama need not alter any laws....total red herring.
All that is required is a release of the document in question...you know...transparency.
I showed you in another thread that the use of the COLB by the Hawaiian DOH has the force of law, and that is the ONLY document they provide upon request of a birth certificate. So in order for them to release the long form would indeed require a change in the current law.
I am laboring under the assumtion that as long as my requests are reasonable, I have as much right to voice my request and my concerns about the refusal to provide the long form birth certificate as any other American.
If it is arrogant to question the motivations of our leaders actions, few are not guity.
Obama need not alter any laws....total red herring.
All that is required is a release of the document in question...you know...transparency.
I showed you in another thread that the use of the COLB by the Hawaiian DOH has the force of law, and that is the ONLY document they provide upon request of a birth certificate. So in order for them to release the long form would indeed require a change in the current law.
I understand that Emma, and as I said before, I have seen no evidence that the release of an archival copy of the long form is in any way against the law.
If you have a link that say releasing a copy of the long form birth certificate is against the law, I'd be more than happy to read it.
I am laboring under the assumtion that as long as my requests are reasonable, I have as much right to voice my request and my concerns about the refusal to provide the long form birth certificate as any other American.
Of course you have the right - folks have the right to wear pink pants and an orange shirt too - if someone wants to look foolish, then in America they have that right.
Don't blame me because the vast majority of Americans think this is a looney non-issue.
