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The OT is full of Scripture pointing to the Messiah, and Christians believe Jesus is Him. The Lord appeared to Abraham according to Scripture. Moses talked to the Lord, according to Scripture, Christians believe that the Lord is Jesus and he appeared in the OT. That's what Christians believe. Doesn't matter what you believe.There is nothing pointing to jesus either.According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophecy pointing to the Messiah. My point is this: Whether you believe Jesus is the Messiah or not, OT prophecy speaks of a Messiah. Once again, there is absolutely nothing in the OT or NT pointing to Islam or Mohammed.Of course they say that. Its a prophecy. One that Jesus OBVIOUSLY didnt fulfill. So why say Judaism mentions Jesus? Especially him as a person, so why would you expect christianity to when islam happened 500 years or so after?Yes, I understand many Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. However, their Scriptures do prophesy a Messiah that will come. We can agree on that. That's not disputed. Can we also agree that there is no mention of Islam and it's prophet Mohammed.Because Islam came AFTER christianity so why would they mention it? Look, idk if you realize what makes judaism and christianity abrahamic religions, but you need to find out.Jesus came after Abraham. Actually Jesus always was, he is eternal. Ever read the part in the NT where Jesus says...."Before Abrhams was, I Am. However, he came to earth as a human. As the Messiah, he was prophesied to come in Genesis. He made appearances in the Old Testament. Abraham saw him. He talked to Moses. He appeared to Daniel. No mention of Mohammed. No mention of Islam. Christianity really isn't a new separate religion. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism. The first Christians were all Jews. The New Testament was written by Jews. The disciples of Jesus were all Jews. There are many Jews that are Christians today. I even know of a Christian Rabbi that teaches how the OT festivals and symbols point to Jesus. No mention of Islam.
95% of Jews dont believe Jesus to be the Messiah in their Holy book. Mostly because he didnt fulfill the prophecy. But you can CLAIM that he is the one all you want LOL
I will say this one more time. Islam started 500 years after christianity. Do you understand that?
According to Judaism, their messiah is supposed to be a MAN, he is supposed to be a descendant of King David nor did the messianic age happen.
No one spoke of JEsus until he was birthed. So please, stop using that ridiculous argument. As you can clearly see, you are hurting your own cause with that logic.
Ishmael was an Arab and I agree with you that Mohammed is a descendent of Ishmael and Abraham. However, the religion that Mohammed invented is not from God. God made a covenant with Abraham to bring the Messiah. Ishmael was not part of that covenant, and Scripture proves it.As i said earlier, i dont think you understand what an "abrahamic religion" actually is...Okay, then why would Islam claim to be an Abrahamic religion? Thanks for proving my point.Why would islamic scripture be in the bible? oh man..Is it in the Bible?Just google it man. Read all about it.Give me the Scripture reference.
Here let me learn you something : Abrahamic religions emphasize and trace their common origin to the tribal patriarch Abraham or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him. Which, BTW, Islam does. Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, which is abrahams son.
They believe in something that doesnt even meet requirements. Which is fine, but its wrong. I mean, how can you use a prophecy, ignore what it actually says and claim otherwise? Thats dishonest..The OT is full of Scripture pointing to the Messiah, and Christians believe Jesus is Him. The Lord appeared to Abraham according to Scripture. Moses talked to the Lord, according to Scripture, Christians believe that the Lord is Jesus and he appeared in the OT. That's what Christians believe. Doesn't matter what you believe.There is nothing pointing to jesus either.According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophecy pointing to the Messiah. My point is this: Whether you believe Jesus is the Messiah or not, OT prophecy speaks of a Messiah. Once again, there is absolutely nothing in the OT or NT pointing to Islam or Mohammed.Of course they say that. Its a prophecy. One that Jesus OBVIOUSLY didnt fulfill. So why say Judaism mentions Jesus? Especially him as a person, so why would you expect christianity to when islam happened 500 years or so after?Yes, I understand many Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. However, their Scriptures do prophesy a Messiah that will come. We can agree on that. That's not disputed. Can we also agree that there is no mention of Islam and it's prophet Mohammed.Because Islam came AFTER christianity so why would they mention it? Look, idk if you realize what makes judaism and christianity abrahamic religions, but you need to find out.
95% of Jews dont believe Jesus to be the Messiah in their Holy book. Mostly because he didnt fulfill the prophecy. But you can CLAIM that he is the one all you want LOL
I will say this one more time. Islam started 500 years after christianity. Do you understand that?
According to Judaism, their messiah is supposed to be a MAN, he is supposed to be a descendant of King David nor did the messianic age happen.
No one spoke of JEsus until he was birthed. So please, stop using that ridiculous argument. As you can clearly see, you are hurting your own cause with that logic.
Lol, like i said, you dont understand what an abrahamic religion is. Obviously... Even after i explain it...Ishmael was an Arab and I agree with you that Mohammed is a descendent of Ishmael and Abraham. However, the religion that Mohammed invented is not from God. God made a covenant with Abraham to bring the Messiah. Ishmael was not part of that covenant, and Scripture proves it.As i said earlier, i dont think you understand what an "abrahamic religion" actually is...Okay, then why would Islam claim to be an Abrahamic religion? Thanks for proving my point.Why would islamic scripture be in the bible? oh man..Is it in the Bible?Just google it man. Read all about it.
Here let me learn you something : Abrahamic religions emphasize and trace their common origin to the tribal patriarch Abraham or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him. Which, BTW, Islam does. Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, which is abrahams son.
According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophesy pointing to the Messiah, so your claim isn't true.They believe in something that doesnt even meet requirements. Which is fine, but its wrong. I mean, how can you use a prophecy, ignore what it actually says and claim otherwise? Thats dishonest..The OT is full of Scripture pointing to the Messiah, and Christians believe Jesus is Him. The Lord appeared to Abraham according to Scripture. Moses talked to the Lord, according to Scripture, Christians believe that the Lord is Jesus and he appeared in the OT. That's what Christians believe. Doesn't matter what you believe.There is nothing pointing to jesus either.According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophecy pointing to the Messiah. My point is this: Whether you believe Jesus is the Messiah or not, OT prophecy speaks of a Messiah. Once again, there is absolutely nothing in the OT or NT pointing to Islam or Mohammed.Of course they say that. Its a prophecy. One that Jesus OBVIOUSLY didnt fulfill. So why say Judaism mentions Jesus? Especially him as a person, so why would you expect christianity to when islam happened 500 years or so after?Yes, I understand many Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. However, their Scriptures do prophesy a Messiah that will come. We can agree on that. That's not disputed. Can we also agree that there is no mention of Islam and it's prophet Mohammed.
I will say this one more time. Islam started 500 years after christianity. Do you understand that?
According to Judaism, their messiah is supposed to be a MAN, he is supposed to be a descendant of King David nor did the messianic age happen.
No one spoke of JEsus until he was birthed. So please, stop using that ridiculous argument. As you can clearly see, you are hurting your own cause with that logic.
So jesus was a man descended from king david? The messianic age that never happened, happened? LOL link?According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophesy pointing to the Messiah, so your claim isn't true.They believe in something that doesnt even meet requirements. Which is fine, but its wrong. I mean, how can you use a prophecy, ignore what it actually says and claim otherwise? Thats dishonest..The OT is full of Scripture pointing to the Messiah, and Christians believe Jesus is Him. The Lord appeared to Abraham according to Scripture. Moses talked to the Lord, according to Scripture, Christians believe that the Lord is Jesus and he appeared in the OT. That's what Christians believe. Doesn't matter what you believe.There is nothing pointing to jesus either.According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophecy pointing to the Messiah. My point is this: Whether you believe Jesus is the Messiah or not, OT prophecy speaks of a Messiah. Once again, there is absolutely nothing in the OT or NT pointing to Islam or Mohammed.Of course they say that. Its a prophecy. One that Jesus OBVIOUSLY didnt fulfill. So why say Judaism mentions Jesus? Especially him as a person, so why would you expect christianity to when islam happened 500 years or so after?
I will say this one more time. Islam started 500 years after christianity. Do you understand that?
According to Judaism, their messiah is supposed to be a MAN, he is supposed to be a descendant of King David nor did the messianic age happen.
No one spoke of JEsus until he was birthed. So please, stop using that ridiculous argument. As you can clearly see, you are hurting your own cause with that logic.
Read the story of Abraham in Genesis. God made a covenant with Abraham and his wife Sarah was to bear a child in her old age. Abraham went to another woman and got Ishmael. Abraham disobeyed and Ishmael was sent away. Isaac was the child of the Promise because the covenant was made with Sarah and Abraham, not Abraham and the bond woman. That is confirmed in the book of Galatians in the NT. You really need to study your bible.Lol, like i said, you dont understand what an abrahamic religion is. Obviously... Even after i explain it...Ishmael was an Arab and I agree with you that Mohammed is a descendent of Ishmael and Abraham. However, the religion that Mohammed invented is not from God. God made a covenant with Abraham to bring the Messiah. Ishmael was not part of that covenant, and Scripture proves it.As i said earlier, i dont think you understand what an "abrahamic religion" actually is...Okay, then why would Islam claim to be an Abrahamic religion? Thanks for proving my point.Why would islamic scripture be in the bible? oh man..Is it in the Bible?
Here let me learn you something : Abrahamic religions emphasize and trace their common origin to the tribal patriarch Abraham or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him. Which, BTW, Islam does. Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, which is abrahams son.
Read the geneology in the beginning of the book of Matthew. It states right there that Jesus is descended from King David and Abraham.So jesus was a man descended from king david? The messianic age that never happened, happened? LOL link?According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophesy pointing to the Messiah, so your claim isn't true.They believe in something that doesnt even meet requirements. Which is fine, but its wrong. I mean, how can you use a prophecy, ignore what it actually says and claim otherwise? Thats dishonest..The OT is full of Scripture pointing to the Messiah, and Christians believe Jesus is Him. The Lord appeared to Abraham according to Scripture. Moses talked to the Lord, according to Scripture, Christians believe that the Lord is Jesus and he appeared in the OT. That's what Christians believe. Doesn't matter what you believe.There is nothing pointing to jesus either.According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophecy pointing to the Messiah. My point is this: Whether you believe Jesus is the Messiah or not, OT prophecy speaks of a Messiah. Once again, there is absolutely nothing in the OT or NT pointing to Islam or Mohammed.
I will say this one more time. Islam started 500 years after christianity. Do you understand that?
According to Judaism, their messiah is supposed to be a MAN, he is supposed to be a descendant of King David nor did the messianic age happen.
No one spoke of JEsus until he was birthed. So please, stop using that ridiculous argument. As you can clearly see, you are hurting your own cause with that logic.
What does that have to do with you not knowing what an abrahamic religion is?Read the story of Abraham in Genesis. God made a covenant with Abraham and his wife Sarah was to bear a child in her old age. Abraham went to another woman and got Ishmael. Abraham disobeyed and Ishmael was sent away. Isaac was the child of the Promise. That is confirmed in the book of Galatians in the NT. You really need to study your bible.Lol, like i said, you dont understand what an abrahamic religion is. Obviously... Even after i explain it...Ishmael was an Arab and I agree with you that Mohammed is a descendent of Ishmael and Abraham. However, the religion that Mohammed invented is not from God. God made a covenant with Abraham to bring the Messiah. Ishmael was not part of that covenant, and Scripture proves it.As i said earlier, i dont think you understand what an "abrahamic religion" actually is...Okay, then why would Islam claim to be an Abrahamic religion? Thanks for proving my point.Why would islamic scripture be in the bible? oh man..
Here let me learn you something : Abrahamic religions emphasize and trace their common origin to the tribal patriarch Abraham or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him. Which, BTW, Islam does. Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, which is abrahams son.
So Jesus was A MAN descended from King David? Hmmmm.Read the geneology in the beginning of the book of Matthew. It states right there that Jesus is descended from King David and Abraham.So jesus was a man descended from king david? The messianic age that never happened, happened? LOL link?According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophesy pointing to the Messiah, so your claim isn't true.They believe in something that doesnt even meet requirements. Which is fine, but its wrong. I mean, how can you use a prophecy, ignore what it actually says and claim otherwise? Thats dishonest..The OT is full of Scripture pointing to the Messiah, and Christians believe Jesus is Him. The Lord appeared to Abraham according to Scripture. Moses talked to the Lord, according to Scripture, Christians believe that the Lord is Jesus and he appeared in the OT. That's what Christians believe. Doesn't matter what you believe.There is nothing pointing to jesus either.
I will say this one more time. Islam started 500 years after christianity. Do you understand that?
According to Judaism, their messiah is supposed to be a MAN, he is supposed to be a descendant of King David nor did the messianic age happen.
No one spoke of JEsus until he was birthed. So please, stop using that ridiculous argument. As you can clearly see, you are hurting your own cause with that logic.
I'm educating you, free of charge. That's what this is all about.What does that have to do with you not knowing what an abrahamic religion is?Read the story of Abraham in Genesis. God made a covenant with Abraham and his wife Sarah was to bear a child in her old age. Abraham went to another woman and got Ishmael. Abraham disobeyed and Ishmael was sent away. Isaac was the child of the Promise. That is confirmed in the book of Galatians in the NT. You really need to study your bible.Lol, like i said, you dont understand what an abrahamic religion is. Obviously... Even after i explain it...Ishmael was an Arab and I agree with you that Mohammed is a descendent of Ishmael and Abraham. However, the religion that Mohammed invented is not from God. God made a covenant with Abraham to bring the Messiah. Ishmael was not part of that covenant, and Scripture proves it.As i said earlier, i dont think you understand what an "abrahamic religion" actually is...Okay, then why would Islam claim to be an Abrahamic religion? Thanks for proving my point.
Here let me learn you something : Abrahamic religions emphasize and trace their common origin to the tribal patriarch Abraham or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him. Which, BTW, Islam does. Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, which is abrahams son.
I already knew that. I am still wondering why you just randomly said that and ignored my actual post?I'm educating you, free of charge. That's what this is all about.What does that have to do with you not knowing what an abrahamic religion is?Read the story of Abraham in Genesis. God made a covenant with Abraham and his wife Sarah was to bear a child in her old age. Abraham went to another woman and got Ishmael. Abraham disobeyed and Ishmael was sent away. Isaac was the child of the Promise. That is confirmed in the book of Galatians in the NT. You really need to study your bible.Lol, like i said, you dont understand what an abrahamic religion is. Obviously... Even after i explain it...Ishmael was an Arab and I agree with you that Mohammed is a descendent of Ishmael and Abraham. However, the religion that Mohammed invented is not from God. God made a covenant with Abraham to bring the Messiah. Ishmael was not part of that covenant, and Scripture proves it.As i said earlier, i dont think you understand what an "abrahamic religion" actually is...
Here let me learn you something : Abrahamic religions emphasize and trace their common origin to the tribal patriarch Abraham or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him. Which, BTW, Islam does. Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, which is abrahams son.
Nope,So Jesus was A MAN descended from King David? Hmmmm.Read the geneology in the beginning of the book of Matthew. It states right there that Jesus is descended from King David and Abraham.So jesus was a man descended from king david? The messianic age that never happened, happened? LOL link?According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophesy pointing to the Messiah, so your claim isn't true.They believe in something that doesnt even meet requirements. Which is fine, but its wrong. I mean, how can you use a prophecy, ignore what it actually says and claim otherwise? Thats dishonest..The OT is full of Scripture pointing to the Messiah, and Christians believe Jesus is Him. The Lord appeared to Abraham according to Scripture. Moses talked to the Lord, according to Scripture, Christians believe that the Lord is Jesus and he appeared in the OT. That's what Christians believe. Doesn't matter what you believe.
They say jesus was a descendant of abraham because of joseph right? So how could that be when mary was a virgin?
Good question. Joseph is in the Messianic line. God is the father of Adam and the father of Jesus, the second Adam, according to Scripture.So Jesus was A MAN descended from King David? Hmmmm.Read the geneology in the beginning of the book of Matthew. It states right there that Jesus is descended from King David and Abraham.So jesus was a man descended from king david? The messianic age that never happened, happened? LOL link?According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophesy pointing to the Messiah, so your claim isn't true.They believe in something that doesnt even meet requirements. Which is fine, but its wrong. I mean, how can you use a prophecy, ignore what it actually says and claim otherwise? Thats dishonest..The OT is full of Scripture pointing to the Messiah, and Christians believe Jesus is Him. The Lord appeared to Abraham according to Scripture. Moses talked to the Lord, according to Scripture, Christians believe that the Lord is Jesus and he appeared in the OT. That's what Christians believe. Doesn't matter what you believe.
They say jesus was a descendant of abraham because of joseph right? So how could that be when mary was a virgin?
I ignored it because your claim is false. I do know what Abrahamic religions are and aren't. You don't, so I'm educating you.I already knew that. I am still wondering why you just randomly said that and ignored my actual post?I'm educating you, free of charge. That's what this is all about.What does that have to do with you not knowing what an abrahamic religion is?Read the story of Abraham in Genesis. God made a covenant with Abraham and his wife Sarah was to bear a child in her old age. Abraham went to another woman and got Ishmael. Abraham disobeyed and Ishmael was sent away. Isaac was the child of the Promise. That is confirmed in the book of Galatians in the NT. You really need to study your bible.Lol, like i said, you dont understand what an abrahamic religion is. Obviously... Even after i explain it...Ishmael was an Arab and I agree with you that Mohammed is a descendent of Ishmael and Abraham. However, the religion that Mohammed invented is not from God. God made a covenant with Abraham to bring the Messiah. Ishmael was not part of that covenant, and Scripture proves it.
Indeed it is lolNope,So Jesus was A MAN descended from King David? Hmmmm.Read the geneology in the beginning of the book of Matthew. It states right there that Jesus is descended from King David and Abraham.So jesus was a man descended from king david? The messianic age that never happened, happened? LOL link?According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophesy pointing to the Messiah, so your claim isn't true.They believe in something that doesnt even meet requirements. Which is fine, but its wrong. I mean, how can you use a prophecy, ignore what it actually says and claim otherwise? Thats dishonest..
They say jesus was a descendant of abraham because of joseph right? So how could that be when mary was a virgin?
Good question. Joseph is in the Messianic line. God is the father of Adam and the father of Jesus, the second Adam, according to Scripture.So Jesus was A MAN descended from King David? Hmmmm.Read the geneology in the beginning of the book of Matthew. It states right there that Jesus is descended from King David and Abraham.So jesus was a man descended from king david? The messianic age that never happened, happened? LOL link?According to the NT, Jesus fulfilled every OT prophesy pointing to the Messiah, so your claim isn't true.They believe in something that doesnt even meet requirements. Which is fine, but its wrong. I mean, how can you use a prophecy, ignore what it actually says and claim otherwise? Thats dishonest..
They say jesus was a descendant of abraham because of joseph right? So how could that be when mary was a virgin?
So we will just apply a completely different set of standards so we can say islam isnt one. More dishonesty smh..I ignored it because your claim is false. I do know what Abrahamic religions are and aren't. You don't, so I'm educating you.I already knew that. I am still wondering why you just randomly said that and ignored my actual post?I'm educating you, free of charge. That's what this is all about.What does that have to do with you not knowing what an abrahamic religion is?Read the story of Abraham in Genesis. God made a covenant with Abraham and his wife Sarah was to bear a child in her old age. Abraham went to another woman and got Ishmael. Abraham disobeyed and Ishmael was sent away. Isaac was the child of the Promise. That is confirmed in the book of Galatians in the NT. You really need to study your bible.Lol, like i said, you dont understand what an abrahamic religion is. Obviously... Even after i explain it...
Oh, c'mon, don't start that crap. I applied one standard to Islam, Christianity and Judaism, and that was Scripture. You know that, so just cease with the cheap shots.So we will just apply a completely different set of standards so we can say islam isnt one. More dishonesty smh..I ignored it because your claim is false. I do know what Abrahamic religions are and aren't. You don't, so I'm educating you.I already knew that. I am still wondering why you just randomly said that and ignored my actual post?I'm educating you, free of charge. That's what this is all about.What does that have to do with you not knowing what an abrahamic religion is?Read the story of Abraham in Genesis. God made a covenant with Abraham and his wife Sarah was to bear a child in her old age. Abraham went to another woman and got Ishmael. Abraham disobeyed and Ishmael was sent away. Isaac was the child of the Promise. That is confirmed in the book of Galatians in the NT. You really need to study your bible.
Not a very "christian" trait..
Very interesting article. I have never heard of this before.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...archaeology-mexico-and-ended-losing-his-faith
This is the main takeaway
In the summer of 1835, Joseph Smith had received a curious visitor in Kirtland, Ohio, then the headquarters of his burgeoning LDS church: a traveling showman, with four Egyptian mummies and some hieroglyphic texts in tow. The church bought the mummies and texts, and Smith said he translated the hieroglyphics, resulting in the Book of Abraham, which lays out Smith's cosmic vision of the afterlife. (Although Egyptian hieroglyphics had been deciphered in France in 1822 with the help of the Rosetta Stone, the news had barely reached U.S. shores.) As Smith and his followers moved around the Midwest, often fleeing angry mobs, they carried the mummies and papyri with them. After Smith's death at the hands of one of those mobs in Nauvoo, Illinois, they were sold by his family.
The fate of the mummies remains a mystery. But in 1966, a University of Utah professor examining artifacts at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City came across 11 Egyptian papyri with an 1856 certificate of sale signed by Smith's widow, Emma. The professor realized he was looking at the Book of Abraham papyri, and the documents were returned to the Mormon church.
Ferguson learned the news from a frontpage article in the newspaper Deseret News on 27 November 1967. Within days, he wrote to a friend in the church leadership, begging to know whether the papyri would be studied. Hearing that no studies were planned, Ferguson, as ever, took matters into his own hands. He received photos of the documents from the church and hired Egyptologists at UC Berkeley to translate them. He told the scholars nothing about the religious significance of the papyri. "He was conducting a clearly blind test," Clark says.
The results started coming in 6 weeks later. "I believe that all of these are spells from the Egyptian Book of the Dead," UC Berkeley Egyptologist Leonard Lesko wrote to Ferguson. Three other scholars independently gave Ferguson the same result: The texts were authentic ancient Egyptian, but represented one of the most common documents in that culture.
Its not a cheap shot. You have your own version of "abrahamic religions" and it isnt correct.Oh, c'mon, don't start that crap. I applied one standard to Islam, Christianity and Judaism, and that was Scripture. You know that, so just cease with the cheap shots.So we will just apply a completely different set of standards so we can say islam isnt one. More dishonesty smh..I ignored it because your claim is false. I do know what Abrahamic religions are and aren't. You don't, so I'm educating you.I already knew that. I am still wondering why you just randomly said that and ignored my actual post?I'm educating you, free of charge. That's what this is all about.What does that have to do with you not knowing what an abrahamic religion is?
Not a very "christian" trait..
