Boom!!!! Judge in Manafort case says Mueller only wants to hurt Trump

[JakeStarkey]

The memo remit allows Mueller to go where the evidence goes.

You need to read the whole transcript of the exchange between the Judge and SC lawyer. Ellis was smoking the shit out of them. That memo was produced only after the raid. You know like "OMG I need a memo for the raid Ron!!!!!!!".

By the way that raid was truly Stasi. That's police state shit right there Jake.

The SC lawyers will support the DOJ permit.

The judge has not statement the FBI has exceeded the remit, not at all.

To equate the FBI with Stasi is a goofy statement.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Beholden? The court has no authority to tell the Deputy AG how to conduct investigations.

He made the statement of why these cases aren't in the lower courts and not his............He also questioned the authority under the special council. Just as he questioned cases over a decade old that have no bearing on their scope of the special council........

He made the statement of why these cases aren't in the lower courts and not his............He also questioned the authority under the special council. Just as he questioned cases over a decade old that have no bearing on their scope of the special council........

Damn, dude. I've posted a link on this like three freaking times now.
Read it!

Rosenstein decides the scope. Not the judge.
Rosenstein gave Mueller the aurhority to investigate and indict Manafort on his Ukraine dealings. That is what was in question in the motion filed by the defense.

This blows that up.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"However, Mueller's team submitted a previously undisclosed memo to a federal court in Washington showing that a few months after Mueller was appointed last May, Rosenstein gave him explicit authority to target Manafort over the financial aspects of his lobbying work for the Ukrainian government — in addition to allegations he was linked to Russian interference in the 2016 election.

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

"Every key step in this case — including the investigative path and the Indictment itself — has been authorized by the Acting Attorney General through ongoing consultation," Mueller's team wrote in a brief opposing Manafort's bid to throw out the D.C. case.

The new disclosures about the Justice Department's internal handling of the Manafort investigation came in response to a motion Manafort's lawyers filed last month in U.S. District Court in Washington asking to have the criminal charges pending against him there thrown out on the grounds that Mueller's appointment was defective and that he exceeded his authority in going after Manafort."

And again..........there are 3 Branches of Gov't...........The DOJ is in the Executive Dept............Not the Judiciary...........

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

The Judge Challenged that...........because he could see the abuse of power with the Special Council and chastised them for it.

In regards to the Russia Collusion.......YOU HAVE NOTHING. But it is clear that Mueller is trying to crucify Manafort to find anything on Trump. Which is what the Judge said.

In regards to this case........drag Manafort out into the street and have the MSM and FBI beat him to death. because this is a political LINCHING AND NOT A CRIMINAL CASE FOR JUSTICE.

The Judge SAW THAT...........We see it.............and SO DO THE PEOPLE.

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

Bullshit.

The scope is the scope the AG decides it will be. Period.
The judge has no authority in that regard at all.

By definition, if the scope is set by the AG, then it is not "unfettered power" but clearly limited to the scope set by the AG.

You can spin all you like, but Rosenstein has said clearly that Manafort's dealings with Ukraine were within the scope since the day Mueller was appointed.

The scope is controlled by federal law NOT THE DOJ.. Rosenetine is only allowed to tighten the scope or limit it to keep political witch hunts from happening.

IN this case Mueller over-reached went out side of his authority and Rosenstine, in an effort to keep the whole charade alive, expanded it to allow the witch hunt.

The point being, Mueller and his team committed prosecutorial over-reach which violated federal law. And the judge recognized it.

Rosentstein has made it clear that alt right fake news such as overreach is an alt right lie.

The court will accept Rosenstein's statement at face value.

 

[Care4all]

Beholden? The court has no authority to tell the Deputy AG how to conduct investigations.

He made the statement of why these cases aren't in the lower courts and not his............He also questioned the authority under the special council. Just as he questioned cases over a decade old that have no bearing on their scope of the special council........

He made the statement of why these cases aren't in the lower courts and not his............He also questioned the authority under the special council. Just as he questioned cases over a decade old that have no bearing on their scope of the special council........

Damn, dude. I've posted a link on this like three freaking times now.
Read it!

Rosenstein decides the scope. Not the judge.
Rosenstein gave Mueller the aurhority to investigate and indict Manafort on his Ukraine dealings. That is what was in question in the motion filed by the defense.

This blows that up.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"However, Mueller's team submitted a previously undisclosed memo to a federal court in Washington showing that a few months after Mueller was appointed last May, Rosenstein gave him explicit authority to target Manafort over the financial aspects of his lobbying work for the Ukrainian government — in addition to allegations he was linked to Russian interference in the 2016 election.

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

"Every key step in this case — including the investigative path and the Indictment itself — has been authorized by the Acting Attorney General through ongoing consultation," Mueller's team wrote in a brief opposing Manafort's bid to throw out the D.C. case.

The new disclosures about the Justice Department's internal handling of the Manafort investigation came in response to a motion Manafort's lawyers filed last month in U.S. District Court in Washington asking to have the criminal charges pending against him there thrown out on the grounds that Mueller's appointment was defective and that he exceeded his authority in going after Manafort."

And again..........there are 3 Branches of Gov't...........The DOJ is in the Executive Dept............Not the Judiciary...........

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

The Judge Challenged that...........because he could see the abuse of power with the Special Council and chastised them for it.

In regards to the Russia Collusion.......YOU HAVE NOTHING. But it is clear that Mueller is trying to crucify Manafort to find anything on Trump. Which is what the Judge said.

In regards to this case........drag Manafort out into the street and have the MSM and FBI beat him to death. because this is a political LINCHING AND NOT A CRIMINAL CASE FOR JUSTICE.

The Judge SAW THAT...........We see it.............and SO DO THE PEOPLE.

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

Bullshit.

The scope is the scope the AG decides it will be. Period.
The judge has no authority in that regard at all.

By definition, if the scope is set by the AG, then it is not "unfettered power" but clearly limited to the scope set by the AG.

You can spin all you like, but Rosenstein has said clearly that Manafort's dealings with Ukraine were within the scope since the day Mueller was appointed.

Tax evasion charges from 10 years ago are dealings with Ukraine.............

and dealings with the Ukraine was dealings with Russia....

And following the money of those dealings in the Ukraine and with the Russian government's support, is following the money in to the USA and in to Manafort's accounts and purchases of homes all over the place, in the USA, by money laundering and fraudulent means....

Worse that can happen if the judge does not see the connection, is it is handed over to another state justice department to prosecute Manafort.

After reading the entire transcript, I am not so certain which way the Judge will rule....

 

[eagle1462010]

He made the statement of why these cases aren't in the lower courts and not his............He also questioned the authority under the special council. Just as he questioned cases over a decade old that have no bearing on their scope of the special council........

He made the statement of why these cases aren't in the lower courts and not his............He also questioned the authority under the special council. Just as he questioned cases over a decade old that have no bearing on their scope of the special council........

Damn, dude. I've posted a link on this like three freaking times now.
Read it!

Rosenstein decides the scope. Not the judge.
Rosenstein gave Mueller the aurhority to investigate and indict Manafort on his Ukraine dealings. That is what was in question in the motion filed by the defense.

This blows that up.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"However, Mueller's team submitted a previously undisclosed memo to a federal court in Washington showing that a few months after Mueller was appointed last May, Rosenstein gave him explicit authority to target Manafort over the financial aspects of his lobbying work for the Ukrainian government — in addition to allegations he was linked to Russian interference in the 2016 election.

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

"Every key step in this case — including the investigative path and the Indictment itself — has been authorized by the Acting Attorney General through ongoing consultation," Mueller's team wrote in a brief opposing Manafort's bid to throw out the D.C. case.

The new disclosures about the Justice Department's internal handling of the Manafort investigation came in response to a motion Manafort's lawyers filed last month in U.S. District Court in Washington asking to have the criminal charges pending against him there thrown out on the grounds that Mueller's appointment was defective and that he exceeded his authority in going after Manafort."

And again..........there are 3 Branches of Gov't...........The DOJ is in the Executive Dept............Not the Judiciary...........

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

The Judge Challenged that...........because he could see the abuse of power with the Special Council and chastised them for it.

In regards to the Russia Collusion.......YOU HAVE NOTHING. But it is clear that Mueller is trying to crucify Manafort to find anything on Trump. Which is what the Judge said.

In regards to this case........drag Manafort out into the street and have the MSM and FBI beat him to death. because this is a political LINCHING AND NOT A CRIMINAL CASE FOR JUSTICE.

The Judge SAW THAT...........We see it.............and SO DO THE PEOPLE.

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

Bullshit.

The scope is the scope the AG decides it will be. Period.
The judge has no authority in that regard at all.

By definition, if the scope is set by the AG, then it is not "unfettered power" but clearly limited to the scope set by the AG.

You can spin all you like, but Rosenstein has said clearly that Manafort's dealings with Ukraine were within the scope since the day Mueller was appointed.

Tax evasion charges from 10 years ago are dealings with Ukraine.............

and dealings with the Ukraine was dealings with Russia....

And following the money of those dealings in the Ukraine and with the Russian government's support, is following the money in to the USA and in to Manafort's accounts and purchases of homes all over the place, in the USA, by fraudulent means....

Worse that can happen if the judge does not see the connection, is it is handed over to another state justice department to prosecute Manafort.

After reading the entire transcript, I am not so certain which way the Judge will rule....

How can he see the connection on cold cases over a decade old....................The issue was collusion in an election 2016.....Not in a time when Bush was in office..........Has nothing to do with Trump Collusion or Obstruction.............

Those were cases that he basically said should have been in a different court and not his.

 

[tinydancer]

By the way that raid was truly Stasi. That's police state shit right there Jake

Where do you get this nonsense? This is the "hysterical defense" that I was talking about. That raid is what happens when you are a criminal who leads the investigator (and then a court) to believe you will destroy evidence.

It's not a hysterical defense. Fucking bite me. It's an accurate observation.

A pre dawn armed raid for at best white collar crimes that might have taken place a freaking decade ago is an over the top intimidating power tripping tactic by that scumbucket Mueller.

AKA Stasi tactics.

 

[eagle1462010]

By the way that raid was truly Stasi. That's police state shit right there Jake

Where do you get this nonsense? This is the "hysterical defense" that I was talking about. That raid is what happens when you are a criminal who leads the investigator (and then a court) to believe you will destroy evidence.

It's not a hysterical defense. Fucking bite me. It's an accurate observation.

A pre dawn armed raid for at best white collar crimes that might have taken place a freaking decade ago is an over the top intimidating power tripping tactic by that scumbucket Mueller.

AKA Stasi tactics.

It was a 5 A.M. raid........They kicked the door in and went into the home with weapons drawn.........Forcing the Manaforts out of their bed in their Pajama's with weapons pointed at them...................Yeah........it's excessive.

 

[JakeStarkey]

To suggest the FBI operates like the Stasi is hysterically wrong.

 

[Contumacious]

To suggest the FBI operates like the Stasi is hysterically wrong.

To suggest the FBI operates like the Stasi is spot on .


.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A kgb operative or Russbot plant would agree with Contumacious.

 

[WEATHER53]

Unfreaking real. Awesome development.

"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort's bank fraud," District Judge T.S. Ellis said to prosecutor Michael Dreeben, at times losing his temper. Ellis said prosecutors were interested in Manafort because of his potential to provide material that would lead to Trump's "prosecution or impeachment," Ellis said.

"That's what you're really interested in," said Ellis, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

He repeated his suspicion several times in the hour-long court hearing."

Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump - CNNPolitics

/----/ BREAKING NEWS:
Another Judge rejects Mueller's request for delay in Russian troll farm case
Russian firm linked to Putin's chef accuses special counsel of 'pettifoggery.'
Judge rejects Mueller's request for delay in Russian troll farm case
By JOSH GERSTEIN
05/04/2018 06:56 PM EDT
Updated 05/05/2018 06:37 PM EDT

A federal judge has rejected special counsel Robert Mueller’s request to delay the first court hearing in a criminal case charging three Russian companies and 13 Russian citizens with using social media and other means to foment strife among Americans in advance of the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Us poor little brainless, decision less Americans. So susceptible to Russian influence that 10-15 of them caused millions of Americans to change their vote
Bobby Muller, this is what you case is predicated on. Gotta remember you are dealing with adults and not those influenced by fairy tales

 

[eagle1462010]

To suggest the FBI operates like the Stasi is hysterically wrong.

I'm sure you would say the same if your door crashed in while sleeping...........and see guns pointing at you and your wife while in bed.........

Would you say THANK YOU...............

Were they after Al Capone..........................Oh........he is a tax evader according to charges.....and laundering of money in the past.........

Why didn't they kick the door in over a decade ago.....................the evil man.........

Fakey would cheer them and say My door was old anyway............

 

[JakeStarkey]

eagle is living in fantasy land. Warrants are served and carried out daily, yet eagle thinks this is somehow a bad thing and equvalent to the Statsi or the Gestapo.

eagle gets to wait like all of us for Mueller's report. Tough.

 

[eagle1462010]

eagle is living in fantasy land. Warrants are served and carried out daily, yet eagle thinks this is somehow a bad thing and equvalent to the Statsi or the Gestapo.

eagle gets to wait like all of us for Mueller's report. Tough.

Me thinks someone kicks in my door at 5 a.m. in the morning that my weapon would be drawn and firing in defense of my home...........eagle would have probably died in that raid......some may have gone with me..............

You refuse to acknowledge that they could have done the raid differently.......or perhaps KNOCKED...........what the living hell could he have done in a minute or so to get up and come to the door.................NOOOOO...........lets bash the dang door down and run into the bedroom and point guns..........

Didn't need to be that way...........but we need the excitement right.................

You approve because you want blood............you want Trump Blood.......you don't care how he gets taken down.........you don't care they are using old ACCUSATIONS to do it that have nothing to do with Russia..............you want him gone anyway possible......no matter who gets hurt..........no matter the tactics.

When we go to the past and other abuses of the Obama administrations............you just yawn and look the other way..............over 427 businesses sued the IRS and the government for these abuses..........What was their crime...........they didn't agree with you Fakey.......

So you don't care that they abused Americans.............used Federal Agencies as weapons against our people........

Big difference between us Fakey...........I'd be pissed if they did it to liberals............because I don't agree with abuse of power in our gov't.

You...........NOT SO MUCH.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Why shouldn't they?

Israel has gotten away with

JFK
the USS Liberty
the Marines in Lebanon 1983
Pan Am 103
911
ISIS


Every time Israel screws America, the Dems and post 1998 Republicans cover for them, and the media cheers...

the UNDERSTATEMENT of the century.

 

[JakeStarkey]

This is the statement of one who refuses to respect the rule of law in America: "Me thinks someone kicks in my door at 5 a.m. in the morning that my weapon would be drawn and firing in defense of my home....". The police would announce their presence as LEO and command all to surrender. The results would be determined by the perp's reactions. Just the way it is in America.

 

[JakeStarkey]

This is another set of silly butt hurt statements: "You approve because you want blood............you want Trump Blood.......you don't care how he gets taken down.........you don't care they are using old ACCUSATIONS to do it that have nothing to do with Russia..............you want him gone anyway possible......no matter who gets hurt..........no matter the tactics."

I voted for McMullin, the true conservative. I support Mueller's even handed approach to ensnaring those who have tried to overthrow our electoral processes. If Trump is innocent and walks, so bet it. Mueller is working within the law, while some of opposition is engaged in criminal libel. There will be time to settle that.

Any comment by wrongdoing by Clinton or Obama or both is for the appropriate forum, which this is not.

 

[eagle1462010]

This is the statement of one who refuses to respect the rule of law in America: "Me thinks someone kicks in my door at 5 a.m. in the morning that my weapon would be drawn and firing in defense of my home....". The police would announce their presence as LEO and command all to surrender. The results would be determined by the perp's reactions. Just the way it is in America.

And if I'm sleepy and didn't hear them I.d. themselves..........yeah I'd open fire............

They didn't need to knock the door in on this one you idiot.

 

[eagle1462010]

This is another set of silly butt hurt statements: "You approve because you want blood............you want Trump Blood.......you don't care how he gets taken down.........you don't care they are using old ACCUSATIONS to do it that have nothing to do with Russia..............you want him gone anyway possible......no matter who gets hurt..........no matter the tactics."

I voted for McMullin, the true conservative. I support Mueller's even handed approach to ensnaring those who have tried to overthrow our electoral processes. If Trump is innocent and walks, so bet it. Mueller is working within the law, while some of opposition is engaged in criminal libel. There will be time to settle that.

Any comment by wrongdoing by Clinton or Obama or both is for the appropriate forum, which this is not.

Mueller is on a witch hunt..............McCabe may get charged..........others may follow........Enjoy.......this will not be a one sided affair......

 

[westwall]

This is another set of silly butt hurt statements: "You approve because you want blood............you want Trump Blood.......you don't care how he gets taken down.........you don't care they are using old ACCUSATIONS to do it that have nothing to do with Russia..............you want him gone anyway possible......no matter who gets hurt..........no matter the tactics."

I voted for McMullin, the true conservative. I support Mueller's even handed approach to ensnaring those who have tried to overthrow our electoral processes. If Trump is innocent and walks, so bet it. Mueller is working within the law, while some of opposition is engaged in criminal libel. There will be time to settle that.

Any comment by wrongdoing by Clinton or Obama or both is for the appropriate forum, which this is not.

Do you support muellers failure to recognize legitimate scientific evidence that said his chosen suspect in the anthrax attacks was innocent? Do you support the illegal actions he engaged in in an effort to convict an innocent man? Do you further support his illegal actions that he engaged in once it was obvious his chosen victim was absolutely innocent to the detriment of the American taxpayer who has had to fork over 4.5 million dollars to settle the lawsuit brought against mueller and Co.?

 

[eagle1462010]

This is the statement of one who refuses to respect the rule of law in America: "Me thinks someone kicks in my door at 5 a.m. in the morning that my weapon would be drawn and firing in defense of my home....". The police would announce their presence as LEO and command all to surrender. The results would be determined by the perp's reactions. Just the way it is in America.

And if I'm sleepy and didn't hear them I.d. themselves..........yeah I'd open fire............They didn't need to knock the door in on this one you idiot.

Your butt hurt rage-hate is obvious. Tough.

Your not giving a damn that this is witch hunt is noted............When your side starts taking the fall for this same to you. TOUGH...........

You will not care if pawns go down............You have an agenda............and Mueller isn't finding jack squat.