Boom!!!! Judge in Manafort case says Mueller only wants to hurt Trump

[LaDexter]

When CNN gave the debate questions to Hillary before the debate, was that a crime?

Was it "collusion" to "influence" the election?

Was it FRAUD?

Did it bother one single leftist in America??

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Damn, dude. I've posted a link on this like three freaking times now.
Read it!

Rosenstein decides the scope. Not the judge.
Rosenstein gave Mueller the aurhority to investigate and indict Manafort on his Ukraine dealings. That is what was in question in the motion filed by the defense.

This blows that up.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"However, Mueller's team submitted a previously undisclosed memo to a federal court in Washington showing that a few months after Mueller was appointed last May, Rosenstein gave him explicit authority to target Manafort over the financial aspects of his lobbying work for the Ukrainian government — in addition to allegations he was linked to Russian interference in the 2016 election.

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

"Every key step in this case — including the investigative path and the Indictment itself — has been authorized by the Acting Attorney General through ongoing consultation," Mueller's team wrote in a brief opposing Manafort's bid to throw out the D.C. case.

The new disclosures about the Justice Department's internal handling of the Manafort investigation came in response to a motion Manafort's lawyers filed last month in U.S. District Court in Washington asking to have the criminal charges pending against him there thrown out on the grounds that Mueller's appointment was defective and that he exceeded his authority in going after Manafort."

And again..........there are 3 Branches of Gov't...........The DOJ is in the Executive Dept............Not the Judiciary...........

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

The Judge Challenged that...........because he could see the abuse of power with the Special Council and chastised them for it.

In regards to the Russia Collusion.......YOU HAVE NOTHING. But it is clear that Mueller is trying to crucify Manafort to find anything on Trump. Which is what the Judge said.

In regards to this case........drag Manafort out into the street and have the MSM and FBI beat him to death. because this is a political LINCHING AND NOT A CRIMINAL CASE FOR JUSTICE.

The Judge SAW THAT...........We see it.............and SO DO THE PEOPLE.

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

Bullshit.

The scope is the scope the AG decides it will be. Period.
The judge has no authority in that regard at all.

By definition, if the scope is set by the AG, then it is not "unfettered power" but clearly limited to the scope set by the AG.

You can spin all you like, but Rosenstein has said clearly that Manafort's dealings with Ukraine were within the scope since the day Mueller was appointed.

The scope is controlled by federal law NOT THE DOJ.. Rosenetine is only allowed to tighten the scope or limit it to keep political witch hunts from happening.

IN this case Mueller over-reached went out side of his authority and Rosenstine, in an effort to keep the whole charade alive, expanded it to allow the witch hunt.

The point being, Mueller and his team committed prosecutorial over-reach which violated federal law. And the judge recognized it.

The scope is controlled by federal law NOT THE DOJ.. Rosenetine is only allowed to tighten the scope or limit it to keep political witch hunts from happening.

Bullshit.

The special counsel is appointed by and overseen by the AG. Including the scope of the investigation. Mueller cannot act on anything without the approval of the AG.
Rosenstein signed off on the Manafort raid, charges and indictments. That would not have happened if Mueller was acting without approval.

Explain what federal law you are speaking of.

28 CFR 600.1 - Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel.
28 U.S. Code Chapter 40 - INDEPENDENT COUNSEL
I suggest you read up..

I have. I suggest you point to what supports your argument.

 

[boedicca]

When CNN gave the debate questions to Hillary before the debate, was that a crime?

Was it "collusion" to "influence" the election?

Was it FRAUD?

Did it bother one single leftist in America??

Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy:

1. Yes it was fraud in service to the Bigger Fraud of the DNC rigging the primary for hiLIARy and then the Dems and MSM colluding to defame Trump.

2. No, it doesn't bother one single Prog, although some classical liberals are feeling squeamish.

 

[candycorn]

"Benghazi was a four year investigation. There were zero indictments, right. Clinton email scandal was a two year investigation. There were zero indictments. This has been a 14 month investigation, there's been 23 indictments." - @matthewjdowd on #ThisWeek

 

[WEATHER53]

Benghazi did not put the President and Nation under siege and did not divert into other avenues and peoples.
Stop offering a non comparable Libbies

 

[JakeStarkey]

In fact, Clinton was not the President, weather53, so your comparison is nonsense.

The fact of the matter is Clinton walked clean despite the over and over and over investigations trying to derail her forthcoming.

The fact of the matter is there are many indictments, convictions, and on going investigations among the Trump coterie based on what the courts and DOJ think are good evidence.

The investigation will continue until Mueller decides he (Muller) is done or Rosenstein takes it away from him. Neither have indicated, period, that the investigation will close any day soon.

 

[eagle1462010]

Tax evasion charges from 10 years ago are dealings with Ukraine.............

Where did the money come from, dope?

Yeah. they knew 10 years early to safe money for a rainy day when they supposedly colluded with Russia.....

The scope is not limited to your ficticious
"collusion", dope.

As the Judge said...........
“I’m sure you’re sensitive to the fact that the American people feel pretty strongly about no one having unfettered power,” Ellis said.

What unfettered power?

Evidence of a crime is evidence of a crime.

Guidelines of the independent council............did Rosenstein give unfettered power to Mueller................

Are he within those bounds...............and are the cases presented to the court within that power...............

 

[eagle1462010]

UPDATE 3-U.S. judge questions special counsel's powers in Manafort case - CompuServe Politics

REDACTED MEMO

Ellis complained the bulk of that August memo he received was highly redacted. He told Mueller's office to take two weeks to consult with U.S. intelligence agencies to see if they would sign off so that he can personally review a sealed, unredacted version of the memo.

Dreeben told him the redacted portions did not pertain to the Manafort case.

"I'll be the judge," Ellis said.

Ellis asked why a run-of-the-mill bank fraud case with no "reference to any Russian individual or Russian bank" could not be handed over to the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia.

As an example, he pointed to the FBI probe into Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen and said the special counsel had turned that matter over to prosecutors in Manhattan.

Under 28 CFR there can not be two investigations in process if the person of interest is being investigated by the Special Counsel. All investigations by The DOJ and FBI must cease according to the law. As long as Mueller lists them as persons of interest NO ONE ELSE CAN INVESTIGATE THEM.

I don't see how Cohen can be investigated by the Eastern district while he is listed in Muellers case... This is a serous breach in the law. Cohen is listed in two investigations when the law clearly states this is unlawful.

Cohen is getting twisted by Mueller and it violates the law..

28 CFR 600.4 - Jurisdiction.

§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

(c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Rosenstein wrote that memo in August.

That is like fixing the fence, after you go find the horses...

 

[boedicca]

In fact, Clinton was not the President, weather53, so your comparison is nonsense.

The fact of the matter is Clinton walked clean despite the over and over and over investigations trying to derail her forthcoming.

The fact of the matter is there are many indictments, convictions, and on going investigations among the Trump coterie based on what the courts and DOJ think are good evidence.

The investigation will continue until Mueller decides he (Muller) is done or Rosenstein takes it away from him. Neither have indicated, period, that the investigation will close any day soon.

It's only good evidence to people who adopt the Beria theory of justice, bub.

 

[westwall]

How can he see the connection on cold cases over a decade old....................

ahem.... did you read the transcript of the hearing?

it was not a cold case, the FBI was already investigating it....it got moved over to Mueller when the special counsel was appointed.

Yes, the FBI interviewed manofort waaaaaay back then and determined that his crimes were too minor to continue the investigation.

 

[eagle1462010]

How can he see the connection on cold cases over a decade old....................

ahem.... did you read the transcript of the hearing?

it was not a cold case, the FBI was already investigating it....it got moved over to Mueller when the special counsel was appointed.

Yes, the FBI interviewed manofort waaaaaay back then and determined that his crimes were too minor to continue the investigation.

But that was then.....this is now.........LOL

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Where did the money come from, dope?

Yeah. they knew 10 years early to safe money for a rainy day when they supposedly colluded with Russia.....

The scope is not limited to your ficticious
"collusion", dope.

As the Judge said...........
“I’m sure you’re sensitive to the fact that the American people feel pretty strongly about no one having unfettered power,” Ellis said.

What unfettered power?

Evidence of a crime is evidence of a crime.

Guidelines of the independent council............did Rosenstein give unfettered power to Mueller................

Are he within those bounds...............and are the cases presented to the court within that power...............

Obviously it's not "unfettered" if there is a designated scope, dope.

 

[eagle1462010]

Yeah. they knew 10 years early to safe money for a rainy day when they supposedly colluded with Russia.....

The scope is not limited to your ficticious
"collusion", dope.

As the Judge said...........
“I’m sure you’re sensitive to the fact that the American people feel pretty strongly about no one having unfettered power,” Ellis said.

What unfettered power?

Evidence of a crime is evidence of a crime.

Guidelines of the independent council............did Rosenstein give unfettered power to Mueller................

Are he within those bounds...............and are the cases presented to the court within that power...............

Obviously it's not "unfettered" if there is a designated scope, dope.

Which the Judge asked for a full copy of..............geesh....

 

[Hutch Starskey]

UPDATE 3-U.S. judge questions special counsel's powers in Manafort case - CompuServe Politics

REDACTED MEMO

Ellis complained the bulk of that August memo he received was highly redacted. He told Mueller's office to take two weeks to consult with U.S. intelligence agencies to see if they would sign off so that he can personally review a sealed, unredacted version of the memo.

Dreeben told him the redacted portions did not pertain to the Manafort case.

"I'll be the judge," Ellis said.

Ellis asked why a run-of-the-mill bank fraud case with no "reference to any Russian individual or Russian bank" could not be handed over to the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia.

As an example, he pointed to the FBI probe into Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen and said the special counsel had turned that matter over to prosecutors in Manhattan.

Under 28 CFR there can not be two investigations in process if the person of interest is being investigated by the Special Counsel. All investigations by The DOJ and FBI must cease according to the law. As long as Mueller lists them as persons of interest NO ONE ELSE CAN INVESTIGATE THEM.

I don't see how Cohen can be investigated by the Eastern district while he is listed in Muellers case... This is a serous breach in the law. Cohen is listed in two investigations when the law clearly states this is unlawful.

Cohen is getting twisted by Mueller and it violates the law..

28 CFR 600.4 - Jurisdiction.

§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

(c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.

Thanks. You just posted corroboration for my points and destroyed your own.

 

[eagle1462010]

UPDATE 3-U.S. judge questions special counsel's powers in Manafort case - CompuServe Politics

REDACTED MEMO

Ellis complained the bulk of that August memo he received was highly redacted. He told Mueller's office to take two weeks to consult with U.S. intelligence agencies to see if they would sign off so that he can personally review a sealed, unredacted version of the memo.

Dreeben told him the redacted portions did not pertain to the Manafort case.

"I'll be the judge," Ellis said.

Ellis asked why a run-of-the-mill bank fraud case with no "reference to any Russian individual or Russian bank" could not be handed over to the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia.

As an example, he pointed to the FBI probe into Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen and said the special counsel had turned that matter over to prosecutors in Manhattan.

Under 28 CFR there can not be two investigations in process if the person of interest is being investigated by the Special Counsel. All investigations by The DOJ and FBI must cease according to the law. As long as Mueller lists them as persons of interest NO ONE ELSE CAN INVESTIGATE THEM.

I don't see how Cohen can be investigated by the Eastern district while he is listed in Muellers case... This is a serous breach in the law. Cohen is listed in two investigations when the law clearly states this is unlawful.

Cohen is getting twisted by Mueller and it violates the law..

28 CFR 600.4 - Jurisdiction.

§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

(c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.

Thanks. You just posted corroboration for my points and destroyed your own.

I think I'll let the Judge decide that.................His position on this matters.........whether you like it or not.

 

[Billy_Bob]

The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated.

What crime was listed?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The scope is not limited to your ficticious
"collusion", dope.

As the Judge said...........
“I’m sure you’re sensitive to the fact that the American people feel pretty strongly about no one having unfettered power,” Ellis said.

What unfettered power?

Evidence of a crime is evidence of a crime.

Guidelines of the independent council............did Rosenstein give unfettered power to Mueller................

Are he within those bounds...............and are the cases presented to the court within that power...............

Obviously it's not "unfettered" if there is a designated scope, dope.

Which the Judge asked for a full copy of..............geesh....

The judge has no need for that. The information pertinent to the motion by the defense is already available.

 

[Care4all]

How can he see the connection on cold cases over a decade old....................

ahem.... did you read the transcript of the hearing?

it was not a cold case, the FBI was already investigating it....it got moved over to Mueller when the special counsel was appointed.

Yes, the FBI interviewed manofort waaaaaay back then and determined that his crimes were too minor to continue the investigation.

Yes.
That's what I am trying to find out.... if Manafort was being investigated by the FBI BEFORE the Russian Election Interference investigation began, during the Russian investigation only by a different team of agents, or was this a long long time ago, like 5 to 10 years ago closer to when it happened?

Eagle said he thought it was opened on Manafort a couple of years ago or so....

Still don't know if it was before the Russia Investigation began on the possible Trump Team conspiracy with the Russians or not?

To me, if it was opened on Manafort BEFORE the Trump team investigation opened, then they had other sources that lead to him being investigated.

Or was it after Manafort went to work for Trump, or before the press broke the news that the Ukrainian papers showed Manafort being paid or slipped $10 or $20 million for his campaign work there....kind of an ''under the table thing'' coupled with Manafort changing the republican platform to favor Russia over the Ukraine story that broke....that forced Manafort to resign?

I'd like to know when they began their investigation on him...it would help on all of our speculations, (mine, yours, Eagle's etc) of what's really happening imo.

 

[Billy_Bob]

UPDATE 3-U.S. judge questions special counsel's powers in Manafort case - CompuServe Politics

REDACTED MEMO

Ellis complained the bulk of that August memo he received was highly redacted. He told Mueller's office to take two weeks to consult with U.S. intelligence agencies to see if they would sign off so that he can personally review a sealed, unredacted version of the memo.

Dreeben told him the redacted portions did not pertain to the Manafort case.

"I'll be the judge," Ellis said.

Ellis asked why a run-of-the-mill bank fraud case with no "reference to any Russian individual or Russian bank" could not be handed over to the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia.

As an example, he pointed to the FBI probe into Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen and said the special counsel had turned that matter over to prosecutors in Manhattan.

Under 28 CFR there can not be two investigations in process if the person of interest is being investigated by the Special Counsel. All investigations by The DOJ and FBI must cease according to the law. As long as Mueller lists them as persons of interest NO ONE ELSE CAN INVESTIGATE THEM.

I don't see how Cohen can be investigated by the Eastern district while he is listed in Muellers case... This is a serous breach in the law. Cohen is listed in two investigations when the law clearly states this is unlawful.

Cohen is getting twisted by Mueller and it violates the law..

28 CFR 600.4 - Jurisdiction.

§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

(c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.

Thanks. You just posted corroboration for my points and destroyed your own.

I think I'll let the Judge decide that.................His position on this matters.........whether you like it or not.

When you look at the Scope that must be given by the DOJ to the investigator and the defined crime they are investigating, this narrows the field and power of the Special Counsel. If the Counsel goes out of its authority, as it apparently did in Manafort's case, they are no longer acting within the law. If the judge finds they were outside the authorized scope, the investigation is illegal and unethical.

The judge can throw everything out and start a criminal investigation into the special counsels actions. That's when everything gets real interesting as the DOJ will be forced to close Mueller's witch hunt.