Boycott Israel

[Sixties Fan]

Nvidia to set up AI research center in Tel Aviv

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Who are you kidding?

QUOTE="P F Tinmore, post: 21008135, member: 21837"]

Each conflict has a set of objectives. And to attain these objectives, the successful combatant MUST find the most effective means for the attainment of these political objectives. The Israelis are in a conflict the intensity of which is to compel the Arab Palestinians to fulfill decide to meet Israeli objectives.

Israel's main objective is all of Palestine without the Palestinians. True a hundred years ago and still true today.

So, what are the Palestinian's options?

(COMMENT)

I do not think that, in the 21st Century, you have heard anything like that from the Israeli Government as an official policy or objective.

You might be able to dig-up some fringe group of extremists, but not official policy.

Most Respectfully,
R[/QUOTE]
Policy we see implemented every day.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Who are you kidding?

QUOTE="P F Tinmore, post: 21008135, member: 21837"]

Each conflict has a set of objectives. And to attain these objectives, the successful combatant MUST find the most effective means for the attainment of these political objectives. The Israelis are in a conflict the intensity of which is to compel the Arab Palestinians to fulfill decide to meet Israeli objectives.

Israel's main objective is all of Palestine without the Palestinians. True a hundred years ago and still true today.

So, what are the Palestinian's options?

(COMMENT)

I do not think that, in the 21st Century, you have heard anything like that from the Israeli Government as an official policy or objective.

You might be able to dig-up some fringe group of extremists, but not official policy.

Most Respectfully,
R

Policy we see implemented every day.[/QUOTE]
Total BS.

But....try again.......please!!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israeli Gov't Forms Strategy to Fight and Supress Boycott Campaign!

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, let's look at the numbers to see if the claims made by the principal speaker are having a "real" effect.

Israeli Gov't Forms Strategy to Fight and Supress Boycott Campaign!

(COMMENT)

If we look at the Israeli Gross Domestic Product (GDP) since the PLO Declared Independence (1988 or 30 years ago) you will find that the GDP steadily rose from $51.8B (1988) → $316.5B (2017). At no time did the rate of improvement backslide into the RED. Similarly, the growth of per capita income (GDP per capita allows you to compare the prosperity of countries with different population sizes) rose at a fairly constant rate. The Unemployment Rate in Israel is at ≈ 4.2%. With the exception of the year 2009, Israel's Unemployment Rate in the last decade (2008 to 2018) has gradually improved.

On the other hand, the unemployment rate in the (so-called) State of Palestine has more than doubled since the turn of the century. It was 12.5% in 2000 and is now ≈ 26%.

GDP grows 3.1% in State of Palestine
Gross Domestic Product of State of Palestine grew 3.1% in 2017 compared to last year. This rate is 16 -tenths of one percent less than the figure of 4.7% published in 2016.

The GDP figure in 2017 was $14,000 million, State of Palestine is number 124 in the ranking of GDP of the 196 countries that we publish. The absolute value of GDP in State of Palestine rose $1,000 million with respect to 2016.

The GDP per capita of State of Palestine in 2017 was $2,988, $132 higher than in 2016, it was $2,856. To view the evolution of the GDP per capita, it is interesting to look back a few years and compare these data with those of 2007 when the GDP per capita in State of Palestine was $1,574.

If we order the countries according to their GDP per capita, State of Palestine is in 130th position, its population has a low level of affluence compare tothe 196 countries whose GDP we publish.

It would serve the State of Palestine much more efficiently if the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement was replaced with a Palestine Peace and Development Project (PDP). IF the quality of life is to improve in the (so-called) State of Palestine, THEN the Arab Palestinians need to divert their attention from attempting to inflict harm on Israel → to reestablishing law and order in their territory creating a new paradigm in thinking → away from hostility and more towards national pride and improvement.

To sacrifice your economy and development just to tear down the and inflict injury on an adjacent economy is a sign of a collective (Arab Palestinian) delusion that includes an intense mistrust and suspicion of the Israelis. These are anxious or fearful feelings. → They are thoughts by the Arab Palestinians that produce a population-wide persecution complex. → This is resulting in a manifestation in threats against Israelis and conspiracies like BDS with the single purpose of doing harm to others. While these by-products have been seen down through contemporary history. This is very similar to a failed leadership of a subnational territory (with more than one tribe) attempting to induce military, economic, and political influence over a developed nation.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

It would serve the State of Palestine much more efficiently if the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement was replaced with a Palestine Peace and Development Project

Like what? Suggest something.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, let's look at the numbers to see if the claims made by the principal speaker are having a "real" effect.

Israeli Gov't Forms Strategy to Fight and Supress Boycott Campaign!

(COMMENT)

If we look at the Israeli Gross Domestic Product (GDP) since the PLO Declared Independence (1988 or 30 years ago) you will find that the GDP steadily rose from $51.8B (1988) → $316.5B (2017). At no time did the rate of improvement backslide into the RED. Similarly, the growth of per capita income (GDP per capita allows you to compare the prosperity of countries with different population sizes) rose at a fairly constant rate. The Unemployment Rate in Israel is at ≈ 4.2%. With the exception of the year 2009, Israel's Unemployment Rate in the last decade (2008 to 2018) has gradually improved.

On the other hand, the unemployment rate in the (so-called) State of Palestine has more than doubled since the turn of the century. It was 12.5% in 2000 and is now ≈ 26%.

GDP grows 3.1% in State of Palestine
Gross Domestic Product of State of Palestine grew 3.1% in 2017 compared to last year. This rate is 16 -tenths of one percent less than the figure of 4.7% published in 2016.

The GDP figure in 2017 was $14,000 million, State of Palestine is number 124 in the ranking of GDP of the 196 countries that we publish. The absolute value of GDP in State of Palestine rose $1,000 million with respect to 2016.

The GDP per capita of State of Palestine in 2017 was $2,988, $132 higher than in 2016, it was $2,856. To view the evolution of the GDP per capita, it is interesting to look back a few years and compare these data with those of 2007 when the GDP per capita in State of Palestine was $1,574.

If we order the countries according to their GDP per capita, State of Palestine is in 130th position, its population has a low level of affluence compare tothe 196 countries whose GDP we publish.

It would serve the State of Palestine much more efficiently if the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement was replaced with a Palestine Peace and Development Project (PDP). IF the quality of life is to improve in the (so-called) State of Palestine, THEN the Arab Palestinians need to divert their attention from attempting to inflict harm on Israel → to reestablishing law and order in their territory creating a new paradigm in thinking → away from hostility and more towards national pride and improvement.

To sacrifice your economy and development just to tear down the and inflict injury on an adjacent economy is a sign of a collective (Arab Palestinian) delusion that includes an intense mistrust and suspicion of the Israelis. These are anxious or fearful feelings. → They are thoughts by the Arab Palestinians that produce a population-wide persecution complex. → This is resulting in a manifestation in threats against Israelis and conspiracies like BDS with the single purpose of doing harm to others. While these by-products have been seen down through contemporary history. This is very similar to a failed leadership of a subnational territory (with more than one tribe) attempting to induce military, economic, and political influence over a developed nation.

Most Respectfully,
R

You do not understand the situation. I have said before that the proposed Palestinian state would be the Palestinians crowded into bantustans away from the resources required to develop an economy. Basically this is what we have now.

Israel Palestine International Law Symposium: Palestinian Rights to Resources

 

[Shusha]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, let's look at the numbers to see if the claims made by the principal speaker are having a "real" effect.

Israeli Gov't Forms Strategy to Fight and Supress Boycott Campaign!

(COMMENT)

If we look at the Israeli Gross Domestic Product (GDP) since the PLO Declared Independence (1988 or 30 years ago) you will find that the GDP steadily rose from $51.8B (1988) → $316.5B (2017). At no time did the rate of improvement backslide into the RED. Similarly, the growth of per capita income (GDP per capita allows you to compare the prosperity of countries with different population sizes) rose at a fairly constant rate. The Unemployment Rate in Israel is at ≈ 4.2%. With the exception of the year 2009, Israel's Unemployment Rate in the last decade (2008 to 2018) has gradually improved.

On the other hand, the unemployment rate in the (so-called) State of Palestine has more than doubled since the turn of the century. It was 12.5% in 2000 and is now ≈ 26%.

GDP grows 3.1% in State of Palestine
Gross Domestic Product of State of Palestine grew 3.1% in 2017 compared to last year. This rate is 16 -tenths of one percent less than the figure of 4.7% published in 2016.

The GDP figure in 2017 was $14,000 million, State of Palestine is number 124 in the ranking of GDP of the 196 countries that we publish. The absolute value of GDP in State of Palestine rose $1,000 million with respect to 2016.

The GDP per capita of State of Palestine in 2017 was $2,988, $132 higher than in 2016, it was $2,856. To view the evolution of the GDP per capita, it is interesting to look back a few years and compare these data with those of 2007 when the GDP per capita in State of Palestine was $1,574.

If we order the countries according to their GDP per capita, State of Palestine is in 130th position, its population has a low level of affluence compare tothe 196 countries whose GDP we publish.

It would serve the State of Palestine much more efficiently if the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement was replaced with a Palestine Peace and Development Project (PDP). IF the quality of life is to improve in the (so-called) State of Palestine, THEN the Arab Palestinians need to divert their attention from attempting to inflict harm on Israel → to reestablishing law and order in their territory creating a new paradigm in thinking → away from hostility and more towards national pride and improvement.

To sacrifice your economy and development just to tear down the and inflict injury on an adjacent economy is a sign of a collective (Arab Palestinian) delusion that includes an intense mistrust and suspicion of the Israelis. These are anxious or fearful feelings. → They are thoughts by the Arab Palestinians that produce a population-wide persecution complex. → This is resulting in a manifestation in threats against Israelis and conspiracies like BDS with the single purpose of doing harm to others. While these by-products have been seen down through contemporary history. This is very similar to a failed leadership of a subnational territory (with more than one tribe) attempting to induce military, economic, and political influence over a developed nation.

Most Respectfully,
R

You do not understand the situation. I have said before that the proposed Palestinian state would be the Palestinians crowded into bantustans away from the resources required to develop an economy. Basically this is what we have now.

Israel Palestine International Law Symposium: Palestinian Rights to Resources

The only resources you need to develop an economy is the will to do it and people to put it into practice.

 

[Shusha]

Also, did you want to venture to guess how quickly a Jewish and Arab Israeli society could develop Gaza into a luxury tourist destination?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, let's look at the numbers to see if the claims made by the principal speaker are having a "real" effect.

Israeli Gov't Forms Strategy to Fight and Supress Boycott Campaign!

(COMMENT)

If we look at the Israeli Gross Domestic Product (GDP) since the PLO Declared Independence (1988 or 30 years ago) you will find that the GDP steadily rose from $51.8B (1988) → $316.5B (2017). At no time did the rate of improvement backslide into the RED. Similarly, the growth of per capita income (GDP per capita allows you to compare the prosperity of countries with different population sizes) rose at a fairly constant rate. The Unemployment Rate in Israel is at ≈ 4.2%. With the exception of the year 2009, Israel's Unemployment Rate in the last decade (2008 to 2018) has gradually improved.

On the other hand, the unemployment rate in the (so-called) State of Palestine has more than doubled since the turn of the century. It was 12.5% in 2000 and is now ≈ 26%.

GDP grows 3.1% in State of Palestine
Gross Domestic Product of State of Palestine grew 3.1% in 2017 compared to last year. This rate is 16 -tenths of one percent less than the figure of 4.7% published in 2016.

The GDP figure in 2017 was $14,000 million, State of Palestine is number 124 in the ranking of GDP of the 196 countries that we publish. The absolute value of GDP in State of Palestine rose $1,000 million with respect to 2016.

The GDP per capita of State of Palestine in 2017 was $2,988, $132 higher than in 2016, it was $2,856. To view the evolution of the GDP per capita, it is interesting to look back a few years and compare these data with those of 2007 when the GDP per capita in State of Palestine was $1,574.

If we order the countries according to their GDP per capita, State of Palestine is in 130th position, its population has a low level of affluence compare tothe 196 countries whose GDP we publish.

It would serve the State of Palestine much more efficiently if the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement was replaced with a Palestine Peace and Development Project (PDP). IF the quality of life is to improve in the (so-called) State of Palestine, THEN the Arab Palestinians need to divert their attention from attempting to inflict harm on Israel → to reestablishing law and order in their territory creating a new paradigm in thinking → away from hostility and more towards national pride and improvement.

To sacrifice your economy and development just to tear down the and inflict injury on an adjacent economy is a sign of a collective (Arab Palestinian) delusion that includes an intense mistrust and suspicion of the Israelis. These are anxious or fearful feelings. → They are thoughts by the Arab Palestinians that produce a population-wide persecution complex. → This is resulting in a manifestation in threats against Israelis and conspiracies like BDS with the single purpose of doing harm to others. While these by-products have been seen down through contemporary history. This is very similar to a failed leadership of a subnational territory (with more than one tribe) attempting to induce military, economic, and political influence over a developed nation.

Most Respectfully,
R

You do not understand the situation. I have said before that the proposed Palestinian state would be the Palestinians crowded into bantustans away from the resources required to develop an economy. Basically this is what we have now.

Israel Palestine International Law Symposium: Palestinian Rights to Resources

I have said before that the proposed Palestinian state would be the Palestinians crowded into bantustans away from the resources required to develop an economy.

They'd better hurry up and make peace, their bantustans are getting smaller and smaller.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF:

• EXAMPLE PROPOSAL: Seawater desalination plant in West Bank or Gaza Strip
A desalination facility in location either along the Mediterranean or the Dead Sea which can desalinate around 220 million liters of water per day.

• EXAMPLE PROPOSAL: Alternative source of Energy
Provide a constant power supply for citizens from an alternative sources of energy; either solar energy, geothermal or Wind energy. (Nablus Area "A")

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It would serve the State of Palestine much more efficiently if the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement was replaced with a Palestine Peace and Development Project

Like what? Suggest something.

(COMMENT)

From a practical standpoint, the confidence and integrity of the Arab Palestinian is such that it will be many years (even decade away) before the Arab Palestinian (either West Bank or Gaza Strip) will be trusted into the higher level financial resource management, data protection and storage, or the other technical security services (software or hardware). The risk is too high, but it could be seen as a future goal if they can turn their image around.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF:

• EXAMPLE PROPOSAL: Seawater desalination plant in West Bank or Gaza Strip
A desalination facility in location either along the Mediterranean or the Dead Sea which can desalinate around 220 million liters of water per day.

• EXAMPLE PROPOSAL: Alternative source of Energy
Provide a constant power supply for citizens from an alternative sources of energy; either solar energy, geothermal or Wind energy. (Nablus Area "A")

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It would serve the State of Palestine much more efficiently if the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement was replaced with a Palestine Peace and Development Project

Like what? Suggest something.

(COMMENT)

From a practical standpoint, the confidence and integrity of the Arab Palestinian is such that it will be many years (even decade away) before the Arab Palestinian (either West Bank or Gaza Strip) will be trusted into the higher level financial resource management, data protection and storage, or the other technical security services (software or hardware). The risk is too high, but it could be seen as a future goal if they can turn their image around.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are missing the point. The problem is not technological. It is political.

 

[Shusha]

You are missing the point. The problem is not technological. It is political.

I think you have inadvertently gotten it right! If the Arab Palestinians and the Arab Gazans had the political will to get it done, it would get done. They don't. It won't.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are missing the point. The problem is not technological. It is political.

I think you have inadvertently gotten it right! If the Arab Palestinians and the Arab Gazans had the political will to get it done, it would get done. They don't. It won't.

Not true. Several Palestinian villages have had solar/wind power that was destroyed by Israel. Cisterns are common but they are destroyed by Israel. And on and on.

The bottom line is that Israel does not want the Palestinians to have an economy.

 

[Shusha]

You are missing the point. The problem is not technological. It is political.

I think you have inadvertently gotten it right! If the Arab Palestinians and the Arab Gazans had the political will to get it done, it would get done. They don't. It won't.

Not true. Several Palestinian villages have had solar/wind power that was destroyed by Israel. Cisterns are common but they are destroyed by Israel. And on and on.

The bottom line is that Israel does not want the Palestinians to have an economy.

You are speaking of a very small percentage of Arab Palestinian people in a very specific part of Area C. Area C is NOT the place to develop a Palestinian or a Gazan economy. Try again.

 

[Shusha]

For example, what needs to be done -- by Gazans -- to develop the economy of Gaza?

 

[rylah]

You are missing the point. The problem is not technological. It is political.

I think you have inadvertently gotten it right! If the Arab Palestinians and the Arab Gazans had the political will to get it done, it would get done. They don't. It won't.

Not true. Several Palestinian villages have had solar/wind power that was destroyed by Israel. Cisterns are common but they are destroyed by Israel. And on and on.

The bottom line is that Israel does not want the Palestinians to have an economy.

The problem is that Palestinians want to keep feeding of Israeli electricity in debt while installing a parallel unchecked grid.

Solar panels and cisterns are not what an economy is built upon.
Palestinians have a semi-functioning economy without all that, with great potential if in good hands, all it needs is diversion towards public good and local political restructuring.

 

[P F Tinmore]

For example, what needs to be done -- by Gazans -- to develop the economy of Gaza?

Anti aircraft and anti tank missiles.

 

[rylah]

For example, what needs to be done -- by Gazans -- to develop the economy of Gaza?

Anti aircraft and anti tank missiles.

Your economic plan is to support another caliphate with advanced weaponry?

Tell us all about it.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The trick is understanding that the political aspects of a problem can also be harnessed as a positive influence. Of course, the Arab Palestinian would have to abandon all hostile activities; as well as launch an internal security program to reach out, track down and apprehend Hostile Arab Palestinians that fail to terminate violent activities.

There will always be those that think every possible alternative to violence is impossible.

You are missing the point. The problem is not technological. It is political.

(COMMENT)

There will always be those that cannot see beyond the mantra: "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine." Just like there will always be those that believe that Israel is the oppressor. But it is not true that "the spirit of Jihad" is at the center of the Arab Palestinian national pride. Violence is a placebo. It must be accepted that the 21st Century is the time for the Arab Palestinian to transform themselves from being the avatar for terrorism to a people that have turned their energies towards nation support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters.

The Arab Palestinian has to find a way to withdraw from extremists antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

Most Respectfully,
R