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Breaking confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart 18 ppl shot
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LoneLaugher
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El Paso police classifying this as “gang related terrorism” “Suspect in custody is Hispanic. Possible second suspect still at large but unarmed”.
Could any of you idiot Moon Bats tell me how any additional gun control law is going to stop Hispanic gangs from shooting up whatever they want to shoot up?
Dupe.
LoneLaugher
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The 2nd amendment hasn’t changed since it was written so my response is always going to be the same.I gotta ask..has it come to the point where most of you guys just keep your responses on file..and just paste them in..when the next shooting happens? Because I'm reading the previous shooting thread..and you guys just say the same thing..over and over and over again.
It was changed. Scalia changed it.
TemplarKormac
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Interestingly, that is an asinine and half hearted argument.Interestingly, the term gun is not in the 2nd Amendment.You have a valid point, except that each case creates precedent. And we aren’t talking about gun grabbing are we? We are talking about resrptricting very specific types of guns, just as machine guns were restricted.Not in this case. They have him dead to rights. If you want to grab guns under "emergency", then we should also expedite due process and the death penalty under "emergency" as a message to other would be mass murderers. You do this and survive, you will be killed in short order.
The problem is, yes, in this case everything you say. But what about the next...and the next?
I don’t oppose the death penalty out of any supposed sanctity for human life but because it’s application is inherently unjust and erratic, and innocent people do get killed. I agree there are those that absolutely deserve it. I would support life without parole as long as it was exactly that.
I am VERY cautious about the death penalty but they nabbed this guy on the scene and have videotape of him. So here again is what I'm saying: make an example of him as preventative if you are also going to grab guns. You can't think about the next right now; you must take every case as it comes.
Interestingly, any gun you restrict by law could in fact violate the second amendment. I'm not happy about it, you aren't happy about it. It's the law.
Do better.
The word "arms" in that amendment implies "weapon" and by "weapon" we can construe that to mean any type of gun, knife, sword, club or other implement that can be reasonably used in self defense by one individual or group of individuals.
Moreover, while stated clearly, the word Militia does not restrict arms to the militia, given the clause "the right of the people".
2aguy
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The more guns, the more bad guys get them.If only Texas had concealed carry laws – good guys with guns would have prevented this.Idiot liberals don't realize that more guns make us safer.Just seeing this reported.....details are not true or accurate yet....but the anti-gunners have jumped in already....
Police Claim Possible Multiple Shooters in El Paso Shopping Area
Wait…
Never mind.
Thoughts and prayers.
We know one guy had a gun, but he was getting kids to safety......
And we know, from research, the more good guys with guns the more effective they are at stopping these shootings......
Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]
Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.
Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.
In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.
We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.
Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.
If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.
If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general
=====
One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.
As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.
Wow....you aren't smart, are you.
600 million guns in the country......
1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to save lives.
You want those Americans to be raped, robbed and murdered.
2aguy
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- Jul 19, 2014
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The 2nd amendment hasn’t changed since it was written so my response is always going to be the same.I gotta ask..has it come to the point where most of you guys just keep your responses on file..and just paste them in..when the next shooting happens? Because I'm reading the previous shooting thread..and you guys just say the same thing..over and over and over again.
It was changed. Scalia changed it.
No, moron....Scalia went through the entire history of arms in England, the colonies and the states in the Heller decision......you guys can pretend whatever you want, but the truth is the truth.
HappyJoy
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View attachment 272607
Patrick Crusius
Another pissed off white guy who hasn’t gotten his share of the MAGA.
I don't think his motives are absolutely confirmed yet but it does appear that he is a white supremacist Trump supporter.
El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’
A little off topic but cautionary for USMB mods. You have a lot of extremist hate on this site. We've all seen it. Members of this board have been threatened as well as certain demographic groups with violence. I ask that you please take it seriously and that those who are promoting violence online, stop.
beagle9
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So you are saying he's a leftist that feels Trump's policies haven't reached his level yet ???? I tell ya what, when we finally understand the impact of these violent video games, and what they do to these characters who get their ace up and out from in front of their war simulator's, uh I mean their violent video games that they are then turning into live VR by making the Walmart and mall their virtual game boards, and then making the people their points when score, then we might begin to realize what is going on. We know now, but turn a blind eye to it.View attachment 272607
Patrick Crusius
Another pissed off white guy who hasn’t gotten his share of the MAGA.
2aguy
Diamond Member
- Jul 19, 2014
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View attachment 272607
Patrick Crusius
Another pissed off white guy who hasn’t gotten his share of the MAGA.
I don't think his motives are absolutely confirmed yet but it does appear that he is a white supremacist Trump supporter.
El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’
A little off topic but cautionary for USMB mods. You have a lot of extremist hate on this site. We've all seen it. Members of this board have been threatened as well as certain demographic groups with violence. I ask that you please take it seriously and that those who are promoting violence online, stop.
Then where will all the left wingers go to post if they are kicked off here?
TemplarKormac
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- Mar 30, 2013
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View attachment 272607
Patrick Crusius
Another pissed off white guy who hasn’t gotten his share of the MAGA.
Another pissed off liberal who doesn't have all the facts yet resorting to racism and stereotyping to pin this on a group of people he doesn't like politically.
The hatred you have for your fellow man borders on freakish and absurd.
LoneLaugher
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- Oct 3, 2011
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The more guns, the more bad guys get them.If only Texas had concealed carry laws – good guys with guns would have prevented this.Idiot liberals don't realize that more guns make us safer.Just seeing this reported.....details are not true or accurate yet....but the anti-gunners have jumped in already....
Police Claim Possible Multiple Shooters in El Paso Shopping Area
Wait…
Never mind.
Thoughts and prayers.
We know one guy had a gun, but he was getting kids to safety......
And we know, from research, the more good guys with guns the more effective they are at stopping these shootings......
Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]
Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.
Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.
In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.
We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.
Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.
If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.
If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general
=====
One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.
As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.
Wow....you aren't smart, are you.
600 million guns in the country......
1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to save lives.
You want those Americans to be raped, robbed and murdered.
Yeah....3000 times per day. You fucking moron.
--------------------------------- MOD's can do as they like but your encouragement of the censoring of Free Speech is 'unAmericam' 'miss priss' HJoy .View attachment 272607
Patrick Crusius
Another pissed off white guy who hasn’t gotten his share of the MAGA.
I don't think his motives are absolutely confirmed yet but it does appear that he is a white supremacist Trump supporter.
El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’
A little off topic but cautionary for USMB mods. You have a lot of extremist hate on this site. We've all seen it. Members of this board have been threatened as well as certain demographic groups with violence. I ask that you please take it seriously and that those who are promoting violence online, stop.
2aguy
Diamond Member
- Jul 19, 2014
- 112,236
- 52,459
The more guns, the more bad guys get them.If only Texas had concealed carry laws – good guys with guns would have prevented this.Idiot liberals don't realize that more guns make us safer.
Wait…
Never mind.
Thoughts and prayers.
We know one guy had a gun, but he was getting kids to safety......
And we know, from research, the more good guys with guns the more effective they are at stopping these shootings......
Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]
Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.
Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.
In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.
We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.
Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.
If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.
If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general
=====
One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.
As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.
Wow....you aren't smart, are you.
600 million guns in the country......
1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to save lives.
You want those Americans to be raped, robbed and murdered.
Yeah....3000 times per day. You fucking moron.
According the the Centers for Disease Control, the government agency you guys all want to do more research, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.
If you don't like their number, then maybe you prefer the Department of Justice at 1.5 million....
beagle9
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- Nov 28, 2011
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Wow, says a person who is making judgements towards Trump supporters as being white supremacists... Good grief. Yeah mods take notes please.View attachment 272607
Patrick Crusius
Another pissed off white guy who hasn’t gotten his share of the MAGA.
I don't think his motives are absolutely confirmed yet but it does appear that he is a white supremacist Trump supporter.
El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’
A little off topic but cautionary for USMB mods. You have a lot of extremist hate on this site. We've all seen it. Members of this board have been threatened as well as certain demographic groups with violence. I ask that you please take it seriously and that those who are promoting violence online, stop.
beagle9
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- Nov 28, 2011
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Looks like a gamer .... Will be interesting to know.Patrick Crusius is the shooter's name, and he is from Allen, TX, close to Dallas and Plano.
bodecea
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The NRA approves.Good to see he had shooting glasses and hearing protection...
You are a rotten motherfucker. Sick fucking piece of shit. Fuck off and die.Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!
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