Breaking confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart 18 ppl shot

[HappyJoy]

Sanders and his supporters on this board never threatenend to kill. So, take it elsewhere.

Well....considering that the Bernie Bro tried to kill Republicans at baseball practice........I think he took it elsewhere....

You should keep bringing that up ever time there's ANOTHER right wing shooting.

Problem is most of the mass shooters are your assholes.

Is this where you claim Roof was a liberal?

They claim every mass murderer is a liberal.......this is one way they can live with themselves.

Yep, that and defending the confederate flag for it's "historical value" on public lands while telling us liberals were actually the slave owners, two of my favorite idiotic lies from the right.

 

[bodecea]

Anti-gunners are already on the job......

so.....

Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....

We will see what information comes out....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

but the US has the most guns per capita--- shouldn't we have the lowest murder rate??
but we don't
Texas is a gun free state
etc!!!!
8 States That Respect 2nd Amendment Gun Rights [PICS]

Logic logic logic

 

[Defiant1]

20 bucks says kid was on ssri

Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case

the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault

Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

 

[Dekster]

So you agree that INCEL terrorists have no one to blame but themselves?

No, but think that if it gives you comfort.

We don't have a gun violence epidemic; we have a marginalization problem that is exploited by politicians:

- Mentally ill young men seek attention/revenge or other compensation for their mental problems via mass shootings; these are a tiny minority among total gun deaths.
- Gang (another marginalized category) violence deaths are mostly intra-race, and far out number the mass shootings.
- Out cynical LW political class diverts attention for the societal conditions which create marginalized people in order to crow about Gun Control and to advocate for destroying the 2nd Amendment. Their power is more important than a healthy society.

I think it's more nefarious than that.
I think someone is putting these kids up to it just like they do in the Middle-East.

Possibly. It's not out of the real of possibility that some anti-American group is targeting marginalized young men to turn use them as weapons.

Since this was a border town and a Walmart heavily trafficked by hispanics and the manifesto is reportedly racist rant against Mexicans, this ant-American group weaponizing this shooter is otherwise called the GOP.

Your feverish wet dreams are leaking.

Your president and your party are enabling terrorists. The only good thing about this shooting is that it happened in Texas. Every now and then karma gets it right.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Sanders and his supporters on this board never threatenend to kill. So, take it elsewhere.

Well....considering that the Bernie Bro tried to kill Republicans at baseball practice........I think he took it elsewhere....

You should keep bringing that up ever time there's ANOTHER right wing shooting.

Problem is most of the mass shooters are your assholes.

Is this where you claim Roof was a liberal?

They claim every mass murderer is a liberal.......this is one way they can live with themselves.

Why do you care? You're no liberal. You're a moonbat progtard

 

[22lcidw]

Walmart has had a good share of shootings

And the Left frequently attacked Walmart and Walmart shoppers as white racists. So, it's hardly a surprise that they are frequently targeted.

Apparently walmart needs to add "buy one get one free" to its advertisements. You know what we never get?. How about at rich people places. We never hear of Fifth Avenue and Rodeo Drive and more.

 

[2aguy]

Well....considering that the Bernie Bro tried to kill Republicans at baseball practice........I think he took it elsewhere....

You should keep bringing that up ever time there's ANOTHER right wing shooting.

Problem is most of the mass shooters are your assholes.

Is this where you claim Roof was a liberal?

They claim every mass murderer is a liberal.......this is one way they can live with themselves.

Yep, that and defending the confederate flag for it's "historical value" on public lands while telling us liberals were actually the slave owners, two of my favorite idiotic lies from the right.

The democrats owned the slaves, nothing liberal about that. They went to war to keep them.

 

[2aguy]

20 bucks says kid was on ssri

Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case

the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault

Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

Like Trump stated......he wants more legal immigration...they never seem to remember when he said that...

 

[Faun]

Hey 2aguy this article is all about you.

Most domestic terrorism comes from white supremacists, FBI tells lawmakers

When politicians use terrorism as a tool for swaying voters, they usually mean a specific kind of terrorism. This became clear in the 2016 election season when then-candidate Trump falsely accusedPresident Obama and Hillary Clinton of refusing to use specific words to describe it.

Say it with me, everyone: "Radical Islamic terrorism."

But there's another face of terrorism in the U.S. that often gets overlooked—one that looks, on the surface, like more than half of the U.S. population.

FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress this week that most of the domestic terrorism arrests made so far this fiscal year have been associated with white supremacy. He pointed to about 100 arrests of "homegrown violent extremist terrorists" (these are generally the "radical Islamic terrorists") and about the same number of "domestic terrorists" (violent Americans with some kind of domestic beef), clarifying that the latter were mostly white supremacists.

In other words, there appear to be just as many all-American terrorists as there are "radical Islamic terrorists" in the U.S., and most American terrorists are white supremacists.

Yes.....you just posted crap...

There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violence | RealClearPolitics

That is to say, we have good reason not to accept the numbers. According to The Washington Post, which relies on Global Terrorism Database data, there were zero acts of right-wing terrorism in the entire nation in 2002. Since then, we have seen a "surge," to 36 in a nation of 325-plus million people in 2017. Among those acts, there were 11 fatalities.

In other words, fewer homicides were committed by political terrorists of any stripe in the United States in 2017 than were committed by undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas alone -- which, I am assured, is an incredibly low number that shouldn't worry us very much. If one of these "surges" is scaremongering, why not the other?

Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)


For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.

Bullshit.

All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism, according to new report

Yeah...another lie.....try Mother Jones.....they list the mass shootings...tell us how the Navy shooting was right wing...you asshat....

They don't list any Navy mass shooting in 2018.

 

[westwall]

You should keep bringing that up ever time there's ANOTHER right wing shooting.

Problem is most of the mass shooters are your assholes.

Is this where you claim Roof was a liberal?

They claim every mass murderer is a liberal.......this is one way they can live with themselves.

Yep, that and defending the confederate flag for it's "historical value" on public lands while telling us liberals were actually the slave owners, two of my favorite idiotic lies from the right.

The democrats owned the slaves, nothing liberal about that. They went to war to keep them.

And created the KKK to terrorize them.

 

[2aguy]

No, but think that if it gives you comfort.

We don't have a gun violence epidemic; we have a marginalization problem that is exploited by politicians:

- Mentally ill young men seek attention/revenge or other compensation for their mental problems via mass shootings; these are a tiny minority among total gun deaths.
- Gang (another marginalized category) violence deaths are mostly intra-race, and far out number the mass shootings.
- Out cynical LW political class diverts attention for the societal conditions which create marginalized people in order to crow about Gun Control and to advocate for destroying the 2nd Amendment. Their power is more important than a healthy society.

I think it's more nefarious than that.
I think someone is putting these kids up to it just like they do in the Middle-East.

Possibly. It's not out of the real of possibility that some anti-American group is targeting marginalized young men to turn use them as weapons.

Since this was a border town and a Walmart heavily trafficked by hispanics and the manifesto is reportedly racist rant against Mexicans, this ant-American group weaponizing this shooter is otherwise called the GOP.

Your feverish wet dreams are leaking.

Your president and your party are enabling terrorists. The only good thing about this shooting is that it happened in Texas. Every now and then karma gets it right.

antifa is supported by the democrat party, you asshat......

 

[HappyJoy]

20 bucks says kid was on ssri

Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case

the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault

Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

Meaning immigrants, legal or otherwise. He was a white supremacist Trump supporter and his words sound a lot like posters on this board.

 

[HappyJoy]

20 bucks says kid was on ssri

Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case

the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault

Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

Like Trump stated......he wants more legal immigration...they never seem to remember when he said that...

Seeking asylum is legal, why was he trying to end that?

 

[Faun]

No, like the MAGA Parkland shooter, Nikolas Cruz...

Like democrat Pulse Night Club shooter 49 killed....

No, like the rightwingnut who shot up Las Vegas

New documents suggest Las Vegas shooter was conspiracy theorist – what we know

Yes......there is no trace of any motivation for the Vegas shooter, so you guys lie about it...

There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violence | RealClearPolitics
Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)


For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.

More bullshit. Of course there's evidence. I just posted it. Denying it won't make it magically disappear.

again....there was no evidence...but please, keep lying.

For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

That's someone's opinion on realclearpolitics. I posted journalism.

 

[westwall]

20 bucks says kid was on ssri

Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case

the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault

Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

Like Trump stated......he wants more legal immigration...they never seem to remember when he said that...

Seeking asylum is legal, why was he trying to end that?

He's not. He's trying to make sure they do it in a LEGAL way.

 

[beagle9]

If violent video games are at play in this, then the nation must turn all eyes upon that area, and do something about that situation big time.

But ignore that whole Trump/white supremacy link? Sure, glad you're keeping it real.

Don't let the link die now.... Keep it front and center even though you have no proof yet.

 

[beautress]

No its not weird. I wonder why tramp isn't calling El Paso and crime spree and crime infested nest. White US citizen have been shooting everything up for a long time.

President Trump is busy trying to comfort the people of ElPaso, Penelope. I think Rep. V. Escobar of ElPaso made a really bad mistake a couple of weeks back when she went to Mexico, contacted people who wanted to cross but can't because the border is being watched to closely. She told them to come on down in a Caravan, and that she had big plans for them. She betrayed the people of the United States when she did this, and I'm not surprised some whacko picked El Paso to do his dirty deed, considering the recent history of the Democrat Party trying to damage everything President Trump does. He in no way had anything to do with this except try to get the Democrats in Congress to show their support of the plight on the border with humanitarian needs. They voted it down with vitriolic hate in their non-existent hearts.

 

[westwall]

Like democrat Pulse Night Club shooter 49 killed....

No, like the rightwingnut who shot up Las Vegas

New documents suggest Las Vegas shooter was conspiracy theorist – what we know

Yes......there is no trace of any motivation for the Vegas shooter, so you guys lie about it...

There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violence | RealClearPolitics
Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)


For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.

More bullshit. Of course there's evidence. I just posted it. Denying it won't make it magically disappear.

again....there was no evidence...but please, keep lying.

For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

That's someone's opinion on realclearpolitics. I posted journalism.

No, you posted propaganda. Seems to be all you can do.

 

[2aguy]

20 bucks says kid was on ssri

Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case

the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault

Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

Like Trump stated......he wants more legal immigration...they never seem to remember when he said that...

Seeking asylum is legal, why was he trying to end that?

He isn't...he wants them to stay in Mexico according to the law....they are supposed to seek asylum in the first country they enter....not travel through countries to get to better ones.....

 

[HappyJoy]

Hey 2aguy this article is all about you.

Most domestic terrorism comes from white supremacists, FBI tells lawmakers

When politicians use terrorism as a tool for swaying voters, they usually mean a specific kind of terrorism. This became clear in the 2016 election season when then-candidate Trump falsely accusedPresident Obama and Hillary Clinton of refusing to use specific words to describe it.

Say it with me, everyone: "Radical Islamic terrorism."

But there's another face of terrorism in the U.S. that often gets overlooked—one that looks, on the surface, like more than half of the U.S. population.

FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress this week that most of the domestic terrorism arrests made so far this fiscal year have been associated with white supremacy. He pointed to about 100 arrests of "homegrown violent extremist terrorists" (these are generally the "radical Islamic terrorists") and about the same number of "domestic terrorists" (violent Americans with some kind of domestic beef), clarifying that the latter were mostly white supremacists.

In other words, there appear to be just as many all-American terrorists as there are "radical Islamic terrorists" in the U.S., and most American terrorists are white supremacists.

Yes.....you just posted crap...

There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violence | RealClearPolitics

That is to say, we have good reason not to accept the numbers. According to The Washington Post, which relies on Global Terrorism Database data, there were zero acts of right-wing terrorism in the entire nation in 2002. Since then, we have seen a "surge," to 36 in a nation of 325-plus million people in 2017. Among those acts, there were 11 fatalities.

In other words, fewer homicides were committed by political terrorists of any stripe in the United States in 2017 than were committed by undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas alone -- which, I am assured, is an incredibly low number that shouldn't worry us very much. If one of these "surges" is scaremongering, why not the other?

Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)


For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.

Bullshit.

All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism, according to new report

Yeah...another lie.....try Mother Jones.....they list the mass shootings...tell us how the Navy shooting was right wing...you asshat....

They don't list any Navy mass shooting in 2018.

The Navy yard shooting was in 2013, I think 2aguy either needs to learn how to read or figure out how a calendar works real quick.