Breaking confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart 18 ppl shot

[HappyJoy]

Witnesses are saying they saw 3 or more shooters.

Why is Tweeter already deleting the accounts of people who say they saw with their own eyes 3 or more shooters?

Something is very fishy in this tragedy too.

Most likely confusion at the event.......

They don't list any Navy mass shooting in 2018.

The Navy yard shooting was in 2013, I think 2aguy either needs to learn how to read or figure out how a calendar works real quick.

It was a different shooting....the screen rolled up on me....

Navy yard....12 dead with a pump action shotgun, Black male shooter....think he was a republican?

Dumbfuck, you posted that in response to me posting a link about how all extremist shootings in 2018 had links to rightwing extremists.

I guess because the Navy Yard shooter was black he must have been liberal. Even though the guy had a history of mental illness, was in the military which I'm told are all conservatives but in the end didn't have any political motivation that we know of. 2aguy is grasping at straws. I guess this is what it looks like when he doesn't have walls of pseudo stats typed up and ready by some dubious sources to copy and paste from.

John kerry was in the military you moron.....

I'm not claiming the military are all conservatives I'm saying I've been told that they are by conservatvies.

 

[2aguy]

Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

Meaning immigrants, legal or otherwise. He was a white supremacist Trump supporter and his words sound a lot like posters on this board.

Trump doesn't support white supremacists, which he stated after the Charlestown killing....yes....you guys keep lying about that, but he condemned the supremacists...

Yes, there were some very fine people interspersed between Nazi salutes, tiki torches and chants of "The Jews shall not replace us".It's totally understandable that decent people are going to hang around that crowd.

He let them off the hook.

Like you are, right now. Pretending that right wing extremism isn't violent.

And yet Trump didn't say those guys were the fine people.....you are a liar and an asshat....

left wing extremism killed close to 100 million people world wide after 1917.......so please, your high horse is really short....

 

[skye]

I am only repeating what witnesses saw.

3 shooters.

 

[beautress]

Must we turn this into a gun control thread? Already?

Yes lets give thoughts and prayers, that is working well.

And what is your solution?

Vote the offending Democrats out of power. First, Congress conspired with Hillary's request for them to ruin President Trump for every little thing he did to do good for the American people. Then they saw their golden opportunity to really get him with 3 years of their damn-the-nation lies claiming salacious lies and dossier lies to get Trump using the FBI to cover for their hate for the United States of America that made the common man as prosperous as they could with laws that helped them gain a foothold in a world that considered us bad because Europe sent people who made trouble for them here. Well, the Common man isn't going to take Democrat false narratives any more.

 

[mudwhistle]

Oh, look... the shooter was purportedly another trumpette....

What We Know About the Mass Shooting in El Paso

We won’t link to it here, but by late afternoon on Saturday, a racist “manifesto” indicating a desire to kill immigrants and reportedly penned by the shooter began circulating on social media.​

You mean like registered democrat, the Pulse Night Club shooter?

Do many mass shooters end up being Democrats?

Omar Mateen, the shooter who killed 49 people at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016, was registered as a Democrat in 2006. He voted in the Florida primary in 2016, according to reporting from Politico.

Pulse nightclub shooter was shooting gay people. That's not a democratic move.

Shooter was a Muslim.

And? As far as I know the only two Muslims on this forum are rightists. What's yer point?

My point was the shooter was Muslim.

 

[beagle9]

Too bad. Democrats make this shit happen because they refuse to punish violence.

No, it's being reported he read and posted online to right wing hate groups and forums, hell he's probably a member here.

You would love having this forum all to yourself wouldn't you or to get it shut down ?? Trying to paint posters here as your worst nightmare doesn't make it so, but thanks for telling the forum how unwanted you think you are here.

 

[Bush92]

20 bucks says kid was on ssri

Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case

the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault

Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

Like Trump stated......he wants more legal immigration...they never seem to remember when he said that...

Seeking asylum is legal, why was he trying to end that?

Because they are lying and they are not endangered politically. Obama change the policy to bring in knew Democratic victims and voters. Plus...they weren’t white. Obama was 500x more racist than Trump.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Just seeing this reported.....details are not true or accurate yet....but the anti-gunners have jumped in already....

Police Claim Possible Multiple Shooters in El Paso Shopping Area

Idiot liberals don't realize that more guns make us safer.

If only Texas had concealed carry laws – good guys with guns would have prevented this.

Wait…

Never mind.

Thoughts and prayers.

We know one guy had a gun, but he was getting kids to safety......

And we know, from research, the more good guys with guns the more effective they are at stopping these shootings......

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

The more guns, the more bad guys get them.

Restricting the rights of good guy's with guns, don't do anything but allow bad guy's more ways to use their guns against the good guys whose rights have been lost, and whose hands have been tied. It's like getting into the arena at the colloseum with a stick to somehow fight off a lion.

More can and must be done to keep guns out the mentally ill and bad people. Universal background checks should be a no brainer. Laws against straw man purchases need to be put in.
The only people that should oppose universal background checks are the mentally ill and bad guys and gals.

 

[beautress]

Yes......there is no trace of any motivation for the Vegas shooter, so you guys lie about it...

There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violence | RealClearPolitics
Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)


For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.

More bullshit. Of course there's evidence. I just posted it. Denying it won't make it magically disappear.

again....there was no evidence...but please, keep lying.

For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

That's someone's opinion on realclearpolitics. I posted journalism.

No, you posted propaganda. Seems to be all you can do.

LOLOL

So you say, too bad you can't prove.

Project much?

 

[skye]

VIDEO of witness Brittney, who says her mom saw 3 armed men dressed all in black.



Jeff DeRiso on Twitter

 

[rightwinger]

Witnesses are saying they saw 3 or more shooters.

Why is Tweeter already deleting the accounts of people who say they saw with their own eyes 3 or more shooters?

Something is very fishy in this tragedy too.

Video in the stores will confirm how many shooters were involved

Witnesses are often confused

 

[lennypartiv]

Vote the offending Democrats out of power.

That's a no brainer. If they aren't going to fund the border wall, we need to vote them out.

 

[2aguy]

Idiot liberals don't realize that more guns make us safer.

If only Texas had concealed carry laws – good guys with guns would have prevented this.

Wait…

Never mind.

Thoughts and prayers.

We know one guy had a gun, but he was getting kids to safety......

And we know, from research, the more good guys with guns the more effective they are at stopping these shootings......

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

The more guns, the more bad guys get them.

Restricting the rights of good guy's with guns, don't do anything but allow bad guy's more ways to use their guns against the good guys whose rights have been lost, and whose hands have been tied. It's like getting into the arena at the colloseum with a stick to somehow fight off a lion.

More can and must be done to keep guns out the mentally ill and bad people. Universal background checks should be a no brainer. Laws against straw man purchases need to be put in.
The only people that should oppose universal background checks are the mentally ill and bad guys and gals.

Universal Background checks are a no Brainer...people who support them are not using their brains, not thinking......this guy bought this gun legally.....that means he would pass a universal background check.

There already are laws against straw buying...

Do you even understand any of these issues?

 

[boedicca]

VIDEO of witness Brittney, who says her mom saw 3 armed men dressed all in black.



Jeff DeRiso on Twitter

Antifa has announced that they plan to attack El Paso. Today's shootings could be an advance op.


Antifa Terrorists Plan 10-Day Sept. Border Siege in El Paso - The Lid

 

[ElmerMudd]

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Patrick Crusius

Another pissed off white guy who hasn’t gotten his share of the MAGA.

There is nothing funny about this. Those who responded funny are sick and disgusting.

 

[HappyJoy]

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

Meaning immigrants, legal or otherwise. He was a white supremacist Trump supporter and his words sound a lot like posters on this board.

Trump doesn't support white supremacists, which he stated after the Charlestown killing....yes....you guys keep lying about that, but he condemned the supremacists...

Yes, there were some very fine people interspersed between Nazi salutes, tiki torches and chants of "The Jews shall not replace us".It's totally understandable that decent people are going to hang around that crowd.

He let them off the hook.

Like you are, right now. Pretending that right wing extremism isn't violent.

And yet Trump didn't say those guys were the fine people.....you are a liar and an asshat....

You need to go back, reread my post because it's obvious you didn't understand it. Too bad, I really ripped into the logic of your post but apparently it went over your head...not surprising really. Maybe you can go find a website to copy/paste from for a reply like you do in every gun debate.

left wing extremism killed close to 100 million people world wide after 1917.......so please, your high horse is really short....

It's too bad there really aren't any left wing extremists who are pushing for Stalinism. Unlike the hatred towards immigrants and people of color who have been threatened on this board while you and others idly sit their with your collective thumbs up your asses.

 

[HappyJoy]

Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.

Right because we're totally not talking about a right wing Trump loon who wrote a manifesto documenting his hate for Hispanics.

Coward, deal with the violence promoted by the right.

Then he's not one of ours, we don't hate hispanics.

Like Trump stated......he wants more legal immigration...they never seem to remember when he said that...

Seeking asylum is legal, why was he trying to end that?

Because they are lying and they are not endangered politically. Obama change the policy to bring in knew Democratic victims and voters. Plus...they weren’t white. Obama was 500x more racist than Trump.

They aren't lying but if your'e interested in immigration laws to be followed then perhaps the U.S. government should follow them.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This thread is trash. Anyone politicizing this tragedy is trash.

I'm out.

Peace.

The act was political. That was why he did it, keep running.

Running from what? People with pathetic emotional arguments eager to politicize death at the drop of a pussy hat?

Please.

I will destroy you in a debate.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Oh, look... the shooter was purportedly another trumpette....

What We Know About the Mass Shooting in El Paso

We won’t link to it here, but by late afternoon on Saturday, a racist “manifesto” indicating a desire to kill immigrants and reportedly penned by the shooter began circulating on social media.​

You mean like registered democrat, the Pulse Night Club shooter?

Do many mass shooters end up being Democrats?

Omar Mateen, the shooter who killed 49 people at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016, was registered as a Democrat in 2006. He voted in the Florida primary in 2016, according to reporting from Politico.

Pulse nightclub shooter was shooting gay people. That's not a democratic move.

Shooter was a Muslim.

And? As far as I know the only two Muslims on this forum are rightists. What's yer point?

My point was the shooter was Muslim.

Based on the mass shootings over the past several months, the shooter will be a white supremacist. They have been emboldened in the past 3 years.

 

[beautress]

VIDEO of witness Brittney, who says her mom saw 3 armed men dressed all in black.



Jeff DeRiso on Twitter

Antifa has announced that they plan to attack El Paso. Today's shootings could be an advance op.


Antifa Terrorists Plan 10-Day Sept. Border Siege in El Paso - The Lid

Did they conspire with Representative V. Escobar of El Paso who went down to Mexico to recruit more border crossers right after she voted to deprive humanitarian Aid from the American Congress she is part of the majority in. I hope they vote that traitor out of power in the next election. She's a Congressman in name only. She is against the President who has asked Congress to vote in fundings for humanitarian relief for detainees on the border. She went with the Democrats who said "Hell No" with their poison-the-well Democrat votes against humanitarian relief so greatly needed on the border.