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Just seeing this reported.....details are not true or accurate yet....but the anti-gunners have jumped in already....
Wow... 2AGuy is like a vulture, he can't hop in fast enough.
Okay. Two things we are going to find out about this guy.
1) Everyone in his life knew he was nuts.
2) He was still able to acquire LEGAL guns.
Nope...we're not the INCELs right-wing lot.You should keep bringing that up ever time there's ANOTHER right wing shooting.It's not a joke. They are now reporting on broadcast news that this guys hate filled racist manifesto is most likely real. What, 18 or so people lost their life for right wing ideology and you're going to pretend it's something else? What a coward you are. Go hide behind your long posts of pseudo biased stats, you won't feel threatened with reality there.
And the Bernie Sanders supporting democrat who attacked the Republican Baseball team? The Black lives matter sympathizer who murdered 6 police officers in the Dallas mass shooting?
Sanders and his supporters on this board never threatenend to kill. So, take it elsewhere.
Well....considering that the Bernie Bro tried to kill Republicans at baseball practice........I think he took it elsewhere....
Problem is most of the mass shooters are your assholes.
The 2016 election showed us they are not.People are crazy since Maxine Waters, D. California, started this getting even with people by getting in their faces.View attachment 272607
Patrick Crusius
Another pissed off white guy who hasn’t gotten his share of the MAGA.
I don't think his motives are absolutely confirmed yet but it does appear that he is a white supremacist Trump supporter.
El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’
A little off topic but cautionary for USMB mods. You have a lot of extremist hate on this site. We've all seen it. Members of this board have been threatened as well as certain demographic groups with violence. I ask that you please take it seriously and that those who are promoting violence online, stop.
You're blaming Maxine Waters for this? If only you were capable of feeling shame.
And you are the only one. I told you we must eliminate the power families and working fiefdoms of power. And that may include some people you like.Can you quote the racist parts please
Louis Farakhan......good buddies with obama, so friendly they had to hide photos of obama and Farakhan for over 10 years....
Not a member of Obama's church, moron.
jeremiah wright.....racist, married obama and michelle and baptized their kids...
What? You can't quote Wright's racist comments he said while Obama was a member of his church? Did Wright threaten violence of any kind?
al sharpton...racist....invited to the White House by obama many, many times....
Racism out in the open....by the democrat President.
I think Sharpton did say something racist once and apologized for it. Just the same, he has never promoted violence like the wingnuts on this board.
I guess you kind of failed here.
In the meantime a white supremacist Trump supporter killed 19 people today. You should take a moment to recognize that.
I think Sharpton did say something racist once and apologized for it. Just the same, he has never promoted violence like the wingnuts on this board.
You need to learn about democrat racists....
Al Sharpton - Wikipedia
Caribbean-American and African-American residents of the neighborhood rioted for four consecutive days fueled by rumors that the private ambulance had refused to treat Cato.[39][40] During the riot black youths looted stores,[39] beat Jews in the street,[39] and clashed with groups of Jews, hurling rocks and bottles at one another[41] after Yankel Rosenbaum, a visiting student from Australia, was stabbed and killed by a member of a mob while some chanted "Kill the Jew", and "get the Jews out".[42]
Sharpton marched through Crown Heights and in front of the headquarters of the Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic movement, shortly after the riot, with about 400 protesters (who chanted "Whose streets? Our streets!" and "No justice, no peace!"),
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Caribbean-American and African-American residents of the neighborhood rioted for four consecutive days fueled by rumors that the private ambulance had refused to treat Cato.[39][40] During the riot black youths looted stores,[39] beat Jews in the street,[39] and clashed with groups of Jews, hurling rocks and bottles at one another[41] after Yankel Rosenbaum, a visiting student from Australia, was stabbed and killed by a member of a mob while some chanted "Kill the Jew", and "get the Jews out".[42]
What did Sharpton say again?
What did Wright say that was racist? You brought this up.
What did Patrick Cruisus do today?
What is your reaction to what Patrick Cruisus did today?
He should be executed.
How brave. What should be done about the amount of white supremacist hate in this country? They are the cause of more domestic terrorism than anything else. I've had my life threatened a few times here, I've seen way more threats against immigrants, homosexuals, liberals and Democrats. Do you think that sort of thing should go on? Do you think maybe people on the right have a responsibility to keep their hate in check?
Nancy Pelosi stole districts in California. Trump landslide and sweep will take House back. It will be “ crying time again” idiots like you. Hey dickhead, how is the House gonna stop another Trump SCOTUS nominee when Che Ginsburg gorks the fuck out? No chance.The 2016 election showed us they are not.People are crazy since Maxine Waters, D. California, started this getting even with people by getting in their faces.View attachment 272607
Patrick Crusius
Another pissed off white guy who hasn’t gotten his share of the MAGA.
I don't think his motives are absolutely confirmed yet but it does appear that he is a white supremacist Trump supporter.
El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’
A little off topic but cautionary for USMB mods. You have a lot of extremist hate on this site. We've all seen it. Members of this board have been threatened as well as certain demographic groups with violence. I ask that you please take it seriously and that those who are promoting violence online, stop.
You're blaming Maxine Waters for this? If only you were capable of feeling shame.
More bullshit. Of course there's evidence. I just posted it. Denying it won't make it magically disappear.No, like the rightwingnut who shot up Las VegasNo, like the MAGA Parkland shooter, Nikolas Cruz...You mean like registered democrat, the Pulse Night Club shooter?
Do many mass shooters end up being Democrats?
Omar Mateen, the shooter who killed 49 people at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016, was registered as a Democrat in 2006. He voted in the Florida primary in 2016, according to reporting from Politico.
Like democrat Pulse Night Club shooter 49 killed....
New documents suggest Las Vegas shooter was conspiracy theorist – what we know
Yes......there is no trace of any motivation for the Vegas shooter, so you guys lie about it...
There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violence | RealClearPolitics
Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)
For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.
Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.
Not even close son.If true.....you are still in first place. And its championship season. You guys always win the trophies. Its just not fair.Turns out it's a white guy who has posted a "manifesto" about killing immigrants.Meanwhile countries with strong gun control are not having regular mass shootings....
Meanwhile, to totally solve ANY and ALL mass shootings, we just need to rid society of Leftists
Problem solved.
Doesn't sound like a leftist to me.
Well now, that's the sticking point, you see........If violent video games are at play in this, then the nation must turn all eyes upon that area, and do something about that situation big time.
But ignore that whole Trump/white supremacy link? Sure, glad you're keeping it real.
Trump isn't a white supremacist no matter how many times you lie about it.....but obama is a racist, and his buddies, louis farakhan, jeremiah wright, and al sharpton are definitely racists...
No, he's just supported by them.
And obama was not only supported by racists, he sat in an openly and proudly racist church for 20 years....Trump never did that.....obama was happy to take photos with lous farakhan....racist, and had al sharpton to the White House more than 5 times.....sharpton...actual anti-semite and racist.......
The entire democrat party was founded on racism you mope.
Nobody died. Can you quote the racist parts please?
In the meantime one of yours (since you're hell bent on deflecting) committed a terrorist attack on this country and murdered at least 18 people with your weapon of choice, you'd think at some point a little humility would creep in like with any other normal human.
Per MSNBC 19 confirmed dead and 40 injured. Another white homegrown terrorist strikes again. I wonder what Trump will have to say about this? The NRA?
Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.20 bucks says kid was on ssri
Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case
the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault
Bullshit.Hey 2aguy this article is all about you.
Most domestic terrorism comes from white supremacists, FBI tells lawmakers
When politicians use terrorism as a tool for swaying voters, they usually mean a specific kind of terrorism. This became clear in the 2016 election season when then-candidate Trump falsely accusedPresident Obama and Hillary Clinton of refusing to use specific words to describe it.
Say it with me, everyone: "Radical Islamic terrorism."
But there's another face of terrorism in the U.S. that often gets overlooked—one that looks, on the surface, like more than half of the U.S. population.
FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress this week that most of the domestic terrorism arrests made so far this fiscal year have been associated with white supremacy. He pointed to about 100 arrests of "homegrown violent extremist terrorists" (these are generally the "radical Islamic terrorists") and about the same number of "domestic terrorists" (violent Americans with some kind of domestic beef), clarifying that the latter were mostly white supremacists.
In other words, there appear to be just as many all-American terrorists as there are "radical Islamic terrorists" in the U.S., and most American terrorists are white supremacists.
Yes.....you just posted crap...
There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violence | RealClearPolitics
That is to say, we have good reason not to accept the numbers. According to The Washington Post, which relies on Global Terrorism Database data, there were zero acts of right-wing terrorism in the entire nation in 2002. Since then, we have seen a "surge," to 36 in a nation of 325-plus million people in 2017. Among those acts, there were 11 fatalities.
In other words, fewer homicides were committed by political terrorists of any stripe in the United States in 2017 than were committed by undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas alone -- which, I am assured, is an incredibly low number that shouldn't worry us very much. If one of these "surges" is scaremongering, why not the other?
Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)
For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.
Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.
All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism, according to new report
They claim every mass murderer is a liberal.......this is one way they can live with themselves.You should keep bringing that up ever time there's ANOTHER right wing shooting.And the Bernie Sanders supporting democrat who attacked the Republican Baseball team? The Black lives matter sympathizer who murdered 6 police officers in the Dallas mass shooting?
Sanders and his supporters on this board never threatenend to kill. So, take it elsewhere.
Well....considering that the Bernie Bro tried to kill Republicans at baseball practice........I think he took it elsewhere....
Problem is most of the mass shooters are your assholes.
Is this where you claim Roof was a liberal?
Lol. The next hurricane will be Trumps fault too.20 bucks says kid was on ssri
Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case
the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault
but the US has the most guns per capita--- shouldn't we have the lowest murder rate??Anti-gunners are already on the job......
so.....
Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....
We will see what information comes out....
Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]
Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.
Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.
In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.
We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.
Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.
If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.
If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general
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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.
As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.
LololololololololBut ignore that whole Trump/white supremacy link? Sure, glad you're keeping it real.
Trump isn't a white supremacist no matter how many times you lie about it.....but obama is a racist, and his buddies, louis farakhan, jeremiah wright, and al sharpton are definitely racists...
No, he's just supported by them.
And obama was not only supported by racists, he sat in an openly and proudly racist church for 20 years....Trump never did that.....obama was happy to take photos with lous farakhan....racist, and had al sharpton to the White House more than 5 times.....sharpton...actual anti-semite and racist.......
The entire democrat party was founded on racism you mope.
Nobody died. Can you quote the racist parts please?
In the meantime one of yours (since you're hell bent on deflecting) committed a terrorist attack on this country and murdered at least 18 people with your weapon of choice, you'd think at some point a little humility would creep in like with any other normal human.
Not one of ours..... white supremacists have no place in the Republican party....he would be happier in the actual racist party, the democrat party...all of your core groups are openly and proudly racist.......that's you, not them.
Meanwhile countries with strong gun control are not having regular mass shootings.Anti-gunners are already on the job......
so.....
Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....
We will see what information comes out....
Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]
Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.
Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.
In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.
We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.
Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.
If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.
If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general
=====
One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.
As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.
but the US has the most guns per capita--- shouldn't we have the lowest murder rate??Anti-gunners are already on the job......
so.....
Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....
We will see what information comes out....
Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]
Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.
Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.
In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.
We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.
Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.
If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.
If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general
=====
One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.
As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.
but we don't
Texas is a gun free state
etc!!!!
8 States That Respect 2nd Amendment Gun Rights [PICS]
