Breaking confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart 18 ppl shot

[Crepitus]

My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families

May they rest assured that their rights to buy guns are still keeping them safe

No you don't, you rub your hands gleefully together and dream of ending the 2nd Amendment so the serfs can be brought back into line.

But the second amendment keeps us safe

Doesn’t it?

Yes...it does.

Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murder......

And over the last 26 years as more Americans have owned and actually carried guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%......that means more safe, not less.......our gun crime rate went down 75%...75%....that means more safe, not less.....violent crime is down 72%...that means more safe, not less.....

The 2nd Amendment keeps us safe from crimnals and people like you.

Doesn't matter how many times you post that bullshit, it's still bullshit.

 

[boedicca]

- Quit demonizing boys so that they are programmed in public schools to become maladjusted mental cases.
- Quit drugging up boys with ADD drugs for just being boys.
- Get rid of gun free zones.
- Nationwide conceal carry permits for legal gun owners who have had training.

So INCEL is everyone else's fault?

I said no such thing. But thanks for sharing.

So you agree that INCEL terrorists have no one to blame but themselves?

No, but think that if it gives you comfort.

We don't have a gun violence epidemic; we have a marginalization problem that is exploited by politicians:

- Mentally ill young men seek attention/revenge or other compensation for their mental problems via mass shootings; these are a tiny minority among total gun deaths.
- Gang (another marginalized category) violence deaths are mostly intra-race, and far out number the mass shootings.
- Out cynical LW political class diverts attention for the societal conditions which create marginalized people in order to crow about Gun Control and to advocate for destroying the 2nd Amendment. Their power is more important than a healthy society.

I think it's more nefarious than that.
I think someone is putting these kids up to it just like they do in the Middle-East.

Possibly. It's not out of the real of possibility that some anti-American group is targeting marginalized young men to turn use them as weapons.

 

[Crepitus]

Good to see he had shooting glasses and hearing protection...

The NRA approves.

Getting emotional, aren't we?

Not anymore....getting used to this.

Sad but agree

 

[bodecea]

Anti-gunners are already on the job......

so.....

Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....

We will see what information comes out....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Pure cancer is what you are

The truth scalds you like the cross burns a vampire...........

The only truth is a bunch of people just got unmercifully slaughtered by some fuck brandishing an assault rifle. Somethings gotta change.

Nope....this is America.

 

[Bush92]

BREAKING NOW: Confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart; 18 people shot
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It's been a few you still haven' t noticed the ........

Too bad. Democrats make this shit happen because they refuse to punish violence.

I blame the Democrats for constantly playing “race card”, talking all their shit about “white privileged” and wanting an unsecured border just to bring into this country a new victim class of non-white voters. Weak minded are pushed to these things because they see no hope in the ballot box. But, the threat Democrats pose to this country is very real. People are feeling pressured by lunatics on the left. I have no white guilt over this fucking incident either.

 

[2aguy]

My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families

May they rest assured that their rights to buy guns are still keeping them safe

No you don't, you rub your hands gleefully together and dream of ending the 2nd Amendment so the serfs can be brought back into line.

But the second amendment keeps us safe

Doesn’t it?

Yes...it does.

Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murder......

And over the last 26 years as more Americans have owned and actually carried guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%......that means more safe, not less.......our gun crime rate went down 75%...75%....that means more safe, not less.....violent crime is down 72%...that means more safe, not less.....

The 2nd Amendment keeps us safe from crimnals and people like you.

Doesn't matter how many times you post that bullshit, it's still bullshit.

Wow...great come back....get back to me when you grow up and actually have facts, truth and reality on your side....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[HappyJoy]

Hey 2aguy this article is all about you.

Most domestic terrorism comes from white supremacists, FBI tells lawmakers

When politicians use terrorism as a tool for swaying voters, they usually mean a specific kind of terrorism. This became clear in the 2016 election season when then-candidate Trump falsely accusedPresident Obama and Hillary Clinton of refusing to use specific words to describe it.

Say it with me, everyone: "Radical Islamic terrorism."

But there's another face of terrorism in the U.S. that often gets overlooked—one that looks, on the surface, like more than half of the U.S. population.

FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress this week that most of the domestic terrorism arrests made so far this fiscal year have been associated with white supremacy. He pointed to about 100 arrests of "homegrown violent extremist terrorists" (these are generally the "radical Islamic terrorists") and about the same number of "domestic terrorists" (violent Americans with some kind of domestic beef), clarifying that the latter were mostly white supremacists.

In other words, there appear to be just as many all-American terrorists as there are "radical Islamic terrorists" in the U.S., and most American terrorists are white supremacists.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Good to see he had shooting glasses and hearing protection...

The NRA approves.

Getting emotional, aren't we?

Not anymore....getting used to this.

Don't lie to me.

 

[Faun]

Oh, look... the shooter was purportedly another trumpette....

What We Know About the Mass Shooting in El Paso

We won’t link to it here, but by late afternoon on Saturday, a racist “manifesto” indicating a desire to kill immigrants and reportedly penned by the shooter began circulating on social media.​

You mean like registered democrat, the Pulse Night Club shooter?

Do many mass shooters end up being Democrats?

Omar Mateen, the shooter who killed 49 people at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016, was registered as a Democrat in 2006. He voted in the Florida primary in 2016, according to reporting from Politico.

No, like the MAGA Parkland shooter, Nikolas Cruz...

Like democrat Pulse Night Club shooter 49 killed....

No, like the rightwingnut who shot up Las Vegas

New documents suggest Las Vegas shooter was conspiracy theorist – what we know

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

20 bucks says kid was on ssri

Thats always the real common theme no matter which way they lean politically ....ssris and being a mental case

the trans gender freak who hacked capital one threatened to shoot the place up ....also white trumps fault

 

[cnm]

Judging from the reported number of casualties I wouldn't be at all surprised to find he used an assault style rifle with the capability to use large capacity removable magazines.

 

[Bush92]

Anti-gunners are already on the job......

so.....

Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....

We will see what information comes out....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Pure cancer is what you are

The truth scalds you like the cross burns a vampire...........

The only truth is a bunch of people just got unmercifully slaughtered by some fuck brandishing an assault rifle. Somethings gotta change.

Nope....this is America.

2nd Amendment.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I don't think his motives are absolutely confirmed yet but it does appear that he is a white supremacist Trump supporter.

El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’

A little off topic but cautionary for USMB mods. You have a lot of extremist hate on this site. We've all seen it. Members of this board have been threatened as well as certain demographic groups with violence. I ask that you please take it seriously and that those who are promoting violence online, stop.

Wow, says a person who is making judgements towards Trump supporters as being white supremacists... Good grief. Yeah mods take notes please.

Interesting how that seems to keep coming true, isn't it?

You too ? Yeah funny how your partisan bullcrap is showing big time.

Will send some more T's & P's your way to make up for that, my friend.

Yeah, because more gun laws stopped this shooting from happening.

Not.

Oh come on strict gun laws work, look at Chcago and Baltimore...oh wait

 

[Bush92]

Judging from the reported number of casualties I wouldn't be at all surprised to find he used an assault style rifle with the capability to use large capacity removable magazines.

Well, guess that’s on him.

 

[cnm]

Yes....my way actually works...

Yup, at malls and schools and concerts and festivals across America. Dying for freedom is the American way.

 

[2aguy]

Hey 2aguy this article is all about you.

Most domestic terrorism comes from white supremacists, FBI tells lawmakers

When politicians use terrorism as a tool for swaying voters, they usually mean a specific kind of terrorism. This became clear in the 2016 election season when then-candidate Trump falsely accusedPresident Obama and Hillary Clinton of refusing to use specific words to describe it.

Say it with me, everyone: "Radical Islamic terrorism."

But there's another face of terrorism in the U.S. that often gets overlooked—one that looks, on the surface, like more than half of the U.S. population.

FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress this week that most of the domestic terrorism arrests made so far this fiscal year have been associated with white supremacy. He pointed to about 100 arrests of "homegrown violent extremist terrorists" (these are generally the "radical Islamic terrorists") and about the same number of "domestic terrorists" (violent Americans with some kind of domestic beef), clarifying that the latter were mostly white supremacists.

In other words, there appear to be just as many all-American terrorists as there are "radical Islamic terrorists" in the U.S., and most American terrorists are white supremacists.

Yes.....you just posted crap...

There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violence | RealClearPolitics

That is to say, we have good reason not to accept the numbers. According to The Washington Post, which relies on Global Terrorism Database data, there were zero acts of right-wing terrorism in the entire nation in 2002. Since then, we have seen a "surge," to 36 in a nation of 325-plus million people in 2017. Among those acts, there were 11 fatalities.

In other words, fewer homicides were committed by political terrorists of any stripe in the United States in 2017 than were committed by undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas alone -- which, I am assured, is an incredibly low number that shouldn't worry us very much. If one of these "surges" is scaremongering, why not the other?

Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)


For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.

 

[bodecea]

It's not a joke. They are now reporting on broadcast news that this guys hate filled racist manifesto is most likely real. What, 18 or so people lost their life for right wing ideology and you're going to pretend it's something else? What a coward you are. Go hide behind your long posts of pseudo biased stats, you won't feel threatened with reality there.

And the Bernie Sanders supporting democrat who attacked the Republican Baseball team? The Black lives matter sympathizer who murdered 6 police officers in the Dallas mass shooting?

Sanders and his supporters on this board never threatenend to kill. So, take it elsewhere.

Well....considering that the Bernie Bro tried to kill Republicans at baseball practice........I think he took it elsewhere....

You should keep bringing that up ever time there's ANOTHER right wing shooting.

The left wing shootings out number them...so it's hard to fit them in.

INCEL isn't left wing.

 

[Crepitus]

My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families

May they rest assured that their rights to buy guns are still keeping them safe

No you don't, you rub your hands gleefully together and dream of ending the 2nd Amendment so the serfs can be brought back into line.

But the second amendment keeps us safe

Doesn’t it?

Yes, it keeps the AMERICAN PEOPLE safe from a corrupt government. Why do you think it is billionaires pushing the gun control narrative. They've bought the government, now the only thing preventing them from turning the PEOPLE back into the serfs they so desire us to be is our guns. No matter how condescending your statements are, the fact is billionaires can't control us while we are armed.

Why do you hate the people and love the billionaires?

Stupidity.

Your ar-15 and your buddies ak-47 are.of no concern to the government at all. All you militia nuts together couldn't stand up to a recently trained SWAT team, much less an infantry fireteam.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....my way actually works...

Yup, at malls and schools and concerts and festivals across America. Dying for freedom is the American way.

Uh...wrong.....

Do you ever get tired when you lie so much......

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Bush92]

Wow, says a person who is making judgements towards Trump supporters as being white supremacists... Good grief. Yeah mods take notes please.

Interesting how that seems to keep coming true, isn't it?

You too ? Yeah funny how your partisan bullcrap is showing big time.

Will send some more T's & P's your way to make up for that, my friend.

Yeah, because more gun laws stopped this shooting from happening.

Not.

Oh come on strict gun laws work, look at Chcago and Baltimore...oh wait

Nobody, and I mean nobody, will take my guns unless they come heavily armed. We live in a savage fucking world. I will protect myself and my property.