Breaking confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart 18 ppl shot

[Olde Europe]

So, let's see if I get this straight, we have a set of laws we have to adhere to, but the exception is, if other countries become Socialist, we get to shit on our own laws by invading other countries, until those other countries do as we say by not being Socialist? Got it.

And as a bonus to the US, other countries still have to adhere to our laws, even though we destroyed their country, their government, their way of life, and took their resources as the other consolation prize. Do you have any idea how fucking unbelievably retarded, sick, and evil, that one sentence post of yours sends? It says it all. What it says is, everything that is good for the US, applies to the US, but anything that is good for some other country, does not apply to some other country, unless the US says it does. That's what you just said. No wonder we are the most hated country on the planet.

What part of, "Self-government, self-determination are for us, not for Those People", don't you understand?

It's way past time to understand White supremacy in all its sordid aspects, and to point it out whenever it raises its ugly head. Destroying other countries, and White shooters taking matters into their own hands whenever government fails to act on White supremacist demands, are just two sides of the White supremacist coin, and, if you will, the 2nd Amendment absolutism is just another aspect of the exact same thing.

And that's also why none of these "debates" about mass shootings gets anywhere, because White supremacy predetermines the answers, and trumps every competing aspect or consideration brought to the table. Pointless.

 

[iceberg]

Trump is and many of his supporters are dog whistlers to White Supremacists.

At least the ignorant ones are easy to identify by their MAGA hats.

At least the ignorant ones are easy to identify by their MAGA hats.

And warning #1 on you. (#6 for the day). A murder thread gives you no right to post nonsense against true Americans.

Trump supporters are not true Americans. They support racism and terror against brown and black people.

Fuck off.

Cut a little too close for ya'.

Fuck off.

 

[OldLady]

So violent that our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

And your solution is to disarm the population ? Looks like that is precisely why so many were killed and wounded. Why was no one armed, and shooting back at the shooter ?.....to thereby save lives (as occured in 2002 in Los Angeles Airport when the shooter -Hesham Mohamed Hadayet- was shot dead, after killing only 2 people)

2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - Wikipedia

I listened to the interview of a man who was carrying--and he booked it outta there, helping kids along the way. He did not seek out the gunman and shoot back. It does not happen. The guy is active military and he knows what to do. He did nothing but run. Your argument is a Walter Mitty daydream, not something to seriously consider.

 

[iceberg]

Define what you'd like to restrict?

It's not that easy.

It's very easy. Semi automatic centrefire rifles which will accept large capacity removeable magazines - [edit...over five rounds, just so you know what that means]. I've given that definition to you at least three times, you pretend to ignore it because it is too effective. Handguns too, if you want the homicide rate to come down.

That is about every semi automatic weapon available.
Like I said, you are either ignorant of guns in general or you know but don't care and want them all gone.

 

[iceberg]

So violent that our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

And your solution is to disarm the population ? Looks like that is precisely why so many were killed and wounded. Why was no one armed, and shooting back at the shooter ?.....to thereby save lives (as occured in 2002 in Los Angeles Airport when the shooter -Hesham Mohamed Hadayet- was shot dead, after killing only 2 people)

2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - Wikipedia

I listened to the interview of a man who was carrying--and he booked it outta there, helping kids along the way. He did not seek out the gunman and shoot back. It does not happen. The guy is active military and he knows what to do. He did nothing but run. Your argument is a Walter Mitty daydream, not something to seriously consider.

That man you are calling more or less a coward is being called a hero for saving others.

Maybe you should consider not using people as pawns to illustrate your side.

 

[OldLady]

At least the ignorant ones are easy to identify by their MAGA hats.

At least the ignorant ones are easy to identify by their MAGA hats.

And warning #1 on you. (#6 for the day). A murder thread gives you no right to post nonsense against true Americans.

Trump supporters are not true Americans. They support racism and terror against brown and black people.

Fuck off.

Cut a little too close for ya'.

Fuck off.

Don't take him personal, Ice, we know you aren't a hater. But we can't defend the haters either. I just looked up Patrick Crusius and saw that he seems to have been targeting Hispanics, a hit against the "invasion" of Hispanics in this country. I quibble with people about using the term "invasion" all the time, because it ratchets up the rhetoric to a fighting level. And then some lamebrain like Patrick Crusius WILL fight, murdering twenty and wounding at least two dozen more for doing nothing more threatening than SHOPPING AT WALMART.

Do you get where I'm coming from? The people calling this an invasion and flapping their gums about treating them as the "enemy" IS dangerous. We all know there is a crisis on the border. More people want in all at once than our system can process. But we have to stop turning them into enemy combatants in our speech. No one needs to love them or even welcome them. They just need to tone it down.

 

[OldLady]

So violent that our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

And your solution is to disarm the population ? Looks like that is precisely why so many were killed and wounded. Why was no one armed, and shooting back at the shooter ?.....to thereby save lives (as occured in 2002 in Los Angeles Airport when the shooter -Hesham Mohamed Hadayet- was shot dead, after killing only 2 people)

2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - Wikipedia

I listened to the interview of a man who was carrying--and he booked it outta there, helping kids along the way. He did not seek out the gunman and shoot back. It does not happen. The guy is active military and he knows what to do. He did nothing but run. Your argument is a Walter Mitty daydream, not something to seriously consider.

That man you are calling more or less a coward is being called a hero for saving others.

Maybe you should consider not using people as pawns to illustrate your side.

I didn't call him a coward. I said he helped kids along the way, didn't I? I was specifically arguing against the point that if everyone were carrying a gun, this shooter would have been stopped sooner.

 

[iceberg]

So violent that our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

And your solution is to disarm the population ? Looks like that is precisely why so many were killed and wounded. Why was no one armed, and shooting back at the shooter ?.....to thereby save lives (as occured in 2002 in Los Angeles Airport when the shooter -Hesham Mohamed Hadayet- was shot dead, after killing only 2 people)

2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - Wikipedia

I listened to the interview of a man who was carrying--and he booked it outta there, helping kids along the way. He did not seek out the gunman and shoot back. It does not happen. The guy is active military and he knows what to do. He did nothing but run. Your argument is a Walter Mitty daydream, not something to seriously consider.

That man you are calling more or less a coward is being called a hero for saving others.

Maybe you should consider not using people as pawns to illustrate your side.

I didn't call him a coward. I said he helped kids along the way, didn't I? I was specifically arguing against the point that if everyone were carrying a gun, this shooter would have been stopped sooner.

You said he more or less ran away.

I get your point but his actions were done based off his own experience. I'm not going to judge either way at this point.
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However I can easily find, just as I found the wiki on deadly knife incidents, where a cfl permit carrying person DID step in and stop things early.

Does it change much of theast 24 hours in general?

 

[iceberg]

And warning #1 on you. (#6 for the day). A murder thread gives you no right to post nonsense against true Americans.

Trump supporters are not true Americans. They support racism and terror against brown and black people.

Fuck off.

Cut a little too close for ya'.

Fuck off.

Don't take him personal, Ice, we know you aren't a hater. But we can't defend the haters either. I just looked up Patrick Crusius and saw that he seems to have been targeting Hispanics, a hit against the "invasion" of Hispanics in this country. I quibble with people about using the term "invasion" all the time, because it ratchets up the rhetoric to a fighting level. And then some lamebrain like Patrick Crusius WILL fight, murdering twenty and wounding at least two dozen more for doing nothing more threatening than SHOPPING AT WALMART.

Do you get where I'm coming from? The people calling this an invasion and flapping their gums about treating them as the "enemy" IS dangerous. We all know there is a crisis on the border. More people want in all at once than our system can process. But we have to stop turning them into enemy combatants in our speech. No one needs to love them or even welcome them. They just need to tone it down.

Then maybe our leaderships inaction across the board and the media telling us everyone is a nazi is to blame.

 

[Blues Man]

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I would be willing to restrict access to high powered guns but not expedite due process. Justice should not be rushed, to much can go wrong and has, historically. Any other options?

Since laws are effective in stopping these things, can't we just outlaw mass shootings? Just make it illegal to go shoot lots of people.

I mean, since laws really restrict those who do evil..

So you think we should have no laws then?

You said that punishing the law abiding and ending civil rights is the way to stop mass shootings. Since you demand that mass shooters will follow those laws, why wouldn't they follow laws not to shoot people?

Or maybe your real target is just to end civil rights....

I think we should end drunk driving by revoking everyone's drivers licenses

False comparison fallacy.

Every gun owner is just a mass murderer in waiting so every driver must be a drunk driver in waiting

 

[SweetSue92]

And warning #1 on you. (#6 for the day). A murder thread gives you no right to post nonsense against true Americans.

Trump supporters are not true Americans. They support racism and terror against brown and black people.

Fuck off.

Cut a little too close for ya'.

Fuck off.

Don't take him personal, Ice, we know you aren't a hater. But we can't defend the haters either. I just looked up Patrick Crusius and saw that he seems to have been targeting Hispanics, a hit against the "invasion" of Hispanics in this country. I quibble with people about using the term "invasion" all the time, because it ratchets up the rhetoric to a fighting level. And then some lamebrain like Patrick Crusius WILL fight, murdering twenty and wounding at least two dozen more for doing nothing more threatening than SHOPPING AT WALMART.

Do you get where I'm coming from? The people calling this an invasion and flapping their gums about treating them as the "enemy" IS dangerous. We all know there is a crisis on the border. More people want in all at once than our system can process. But we have to stop turning them into enemy combatants in our speech. No one needs to love them or even welcome them. They just need to tone it down.

Well now, if we want to monitor speech like that, liberals have been calling Trump an "enemy" and a thousand things worse and recently have ramped that up to say all his supporters are racist too. So really, there's ratcheting all the way around from every side.

 

[OldLady]

Trump supporters are not true Americans. They support racism and terror against brown and black people.

Fuck off.

Cut a little too close for ya'.

Fuck off.

Don't take him personal, Ice, we know you aren't a hater. But we can't defend the haters either. I just looked up Patrick Crusius and saw that he seems to have been targeting Hispanics, a hit against the "invasion" of Hispanics in this country. I quibble with people about using the term "invasion" all the time, because it ratchets up the rhetoric to a fighting level. And then some lamebrain like Patrick Crusius WILL fight, murdering twenty and wounding at least two dozen more for doing nothing more threatening than SHOPPING AT WALMART.

Do you get where I'm coming from? The people calling this an invasion and flapping their gums about treating them as the "enemy" IS dangerous. We all know there is a crisis on the border. More people want in all at once than our system can process. But we have to stop turning them into enemy combatants in our speech. No one needs to love them or even welcome them. They just need to tone it down.

Then maybe our leaderships inaction across the board and the media telling us everyone is a nazi is to blame.

I'm disappointed in your reaction so far today. I know it's early, though.

 

[Blues Man]

So violent that our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

And your solution is to disarm the population ? Looks like that is precisely why so many were killed and wounded. Why was no one armed, and shooting back at the shooter ?.....to thereby save lives (as occured in 2002 in Los Angeles Airport when the shooter -Hesham Mohamed Hadayet- was shot dead, after killing only 2 people)

2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - Wikipedia

I listened to the interview of a man who was carrying--and he booked it outta there, helping kids along the way. He did not seek out the gunman and shoot back. It does not happen. The guy is active military and he knows what to do. He did nothing but run. Your argument is a Walter Mitty daydream, not something to seriously consider.

So what?

He had no obligation to seek out the shooter he did the right thing and got his kids out.

Shit the cops don't even have to respond to a call for aid why the hell should a civilian?

 

[Blues Man]

Define what you'd like to restrict?

It's not that easy.

It's very easy. Semi automatic centrefire rifles which will accept large capacity removeable magazines - [edit...over five rounds, just so you know what that means]. I've given that definition to you at least three times, you pretend to ignore it because it is too effective. Handguns too, if you want the homicide rate to come down.

That is about every semi automatic weapon available.
Like I said, you are either ignorant of guns in general or you know but don't care and want them all gone.

He lives in New Zealand where the sheep are smarter than the people

 

[SweetSue92]

Trump supporters are not true Americans. They support racism and terror against brown and black people.

Fuck off.

Cut a little too close for ya'.

Fuck off.

Don't take him personal, Ice, we know you aren't a hater. But we can't defend the haters either. I just looked up Patrick Crusius and saw that he seems to have been targeting Hispanics, a hit against the "invasion" of Hispanics in this country. I quibble with people about using the term "invasion" all the time, because it ratchets up the rhetoric to a fighting level. And then some lamebrain like Patrick Crusius WILL fight, murdering twenty and wounding at least two dozen more for doing nothing more threatening than SHOPPING AT WALMART.

Do you get where I'm coming from? The people calling this an invasion and flapping their gums about treating them as the "enemy" IS dangerous. We all know there is a crisis on the border. More people want in all at once than our system can process. But we have to stop turning them into enemy combatants in our speech. No one needs to love them or even welcome them. They just need to tone it down.

Then maybe our leaderships inaction across the board and the media telling us everyone is a nazi is to blame.

FWIW I hold the media absolutely accountable for a large part of this.

Two and a half years spent on the particulars of not only what was a NON-story, but a lie. "Russian Collusion"....nothing. Meanwhile, our society is on fire. Ask any teacher. Ask any nurse, any police officer. There are REAL problems out there that festered and festered because our incompetent media was obsessed with Palace Intrigue.

They are shameless.

 

[Blues Man]

Because they secured their borders and strictly regulate diversity.

What a load of exceptional whinging bullshit. What they do is strictly regulate firearms. Enjoy your massacres, you're going to have a lot of them.

Going to...? What am I saying?

 

[Blues Man]

Perhaps because they happen so rarely? As though 'Darwin shooting' wasn't mentioned.

Then maybe you would like living in the UK where they have a fraction of the US population but Stabbing deaths are at record highs. UK national crisis.
Perhaps you'd prefer your throat slit to a bullet to the head? Or maybe you'd enjoy being run over by a truck more?

Rarely? You mean rarely reported. Gun violence happens EVERYWHERE. Sspecially where the left is in power or has influence.
You people try to make it sound as if the USA has some kind of monopoly on violence.

After all, crazy people in other countries use more than guns to harm others.

Knife killing in the UK is a lot less than in the US. So he would be a lot safer than living in the crazy US.

Better to die on my feet than kneel to a monarch

SOmething you people don't seem to understand

 

[SweetSue92]

Because they secured their borders and strictly regulate diversity.

What a load of exceptional whinging bullshit. What they do is strictly regulate firearms. Enjoy your massacres, you're going to have a lot of them.

Going to...? What am I saying?

Of course, if they obsess over the tools, they can ignore the REAL problems. They caused a lot of them and don't know what to do about the rest so....

GUNS!!!!

 

[iceberg]

Fuck off.

Cut a little too close for ya'.

Fuck off.

Don't take him personal, Ice, we know you aren't a hater. But we can't defend the haters either. I just looked up Patrick Crusius and saw that he seems to have been targeting Hispanics, a hit against the "invasion" of Hispanics in this country. I quibble with people about using the term "invasion" all the time, because it ratchets up the rhetoric to a fighting level. And then some lamebrain like Patrick Crusius WILL fight, murdering twenty and wounding at least two dozen more for doing nothing more threatening than SHOPPING AT WALMART.

Do you get where I'm coming from? The people calling this an invasion and flapping their gums about treating them as the "enemy" IS dangerous. We all know there is a crisis on the border. More people want in all at once than our system can process. But we have to stop turning them into enemy combatants in our speech. No one needs to love them or even welcome them. They just need to tone it down.

Then maybe our leaderships inaction across the board and the media telling us everyone is a nazi is to blame.

I'm disappointed in your reaction so far today. I know it's early, though.

I hate it. I hate that it happens and I hate that it continues to divide us. I hate the always to ensue blame game and useless fights thst happen afterwards. I hate how people push personal agendas to prove the other side is at fault.

If there's something else I can do, let me know.

 

[iceberg]

Fuck off.

Cut a little too close for ya'.

Fuck off.

Don't take him personal, Ice, we know you aren't a hater. But we can't defend the haters either. I just looked up Patrick Crusius and saw that he seems to have been targeting Hispanics, a hit against the "invasion" of Hispanics in this country. I quibble with people about using the term "invasion" all the time, because it ratchets up the rhetoric to a fighting level. And then some lamebrain like Patrick Crusius WILL fight, murdering twenty and wounding at least two dozen more for doing nothing more threatening than SHOPPING AT WALMART.

Do you get where I'm coming from? The people calling this an invasion and flapping their gums about treating them as the "enemy" IS dangerous. We all know there is a crisis on the border. More people want in all at once than our system can process. But we have to stop turning them into enemy combatants in our speech. No one needs to love them or even welcome them. They just need to tone it down.

Then maybe our leaderships inaction across the board and the media telling us everyone is a nazi is to blame.

FWIW I hold the media absolutely accountable for a large part of this.

Two and a half years spent on the particulars of not only what was a NON-story, but a lie. "Russian Collusion"....nothing. Meanwhile, our society is on fire. Ask any teacher. Ask any nurse, any police officer. There are REAL problems out there that festered and festered because our incompetent media was obsessed with Palace Intrigue.

They are shameless.

People by and large do as told or told to believe.

Look who's doing the telling. It's quite telling. The media fans the flames of the hate parade and crys freedom of press when accountability comes calling.