Breaking for GOP VOTERS- The bottom fifth pays 16 per cent in ALL taxes and fees, the

[Missouri_Mike]

You almost gotta laugh. The best they can come up with is not taxes but freaking fees. We know that the "bottom 5th" doesn't pay any income tax and food stamps are exempt from taxes so what are the mysterious "fees" that they are forced to pay? Maybe state and local government can do something about the "fees' we all have to pay.

The bottom fifth pays much higher percentages of their income in sales taxes, payroll taxes, and property taxes. Yes, poor people pay property taxes, so long as they are paying rent. They may not make the tax payment themselves, but it is included as part of their rent. Their landlord does not pay the property taxes out of the goodness of his heart and not charge the tenant for those taxes. Just with those three taxes, the lower fifth of income earners pay close to 20% of their income in taxes.

I can only laugh when people get a feeling of superiority by trashing poor people for being poor. Those damn poor people. All they do is steal from the rich. Unbelievable.

The landlord gets the property tax write off though no matter how many rentals he owns. Another way some people become wealthier while the poor get poorer.

Taxes are not a write off. You can't take your taxes then make them a deduction to what taxes you owe. Just helping you out here.

 

[Harry Dresden]

French and history. Sorry about my secretarial skills. Try a little harder, Pub dupe lol. Way to miss the point every time, chump lol...

Frankie....i have said this before and i will say it again.....if you have the education you claim you have.....you are horrible at expressing yourself....we have folks here from all walks of life and education levels....you are the worst here for coherency.....and i am willing to bet that i am not alone in saying that.....when i first saw you post i thought you were from Outer Slobovia...for christ sakes....learn to talk....

 

[Freewill]

Breaking for GOP VOTERS- The bottom fifth pays 16 per cent in ALL taxes and fees, the rest pays 21 per cent, and the richest AT LEAST triple their wealth while everyone else and the country goes to hell under Reaganist/Voodoo tax rates...

Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The bottom 20 percent pay 16 percent, yep doesn't seem right.

 

[francoHFW]

It's a fact.

 

[Freewill]

You want them to pay 20 percent?

 

[francoHFW]

French and history. Sorry about my secretarial skills. Try a little harder, Pub dupe lol. Way to miss the point every time, chump lol...

Hmm, French history. No wonder you are pro-socialism. I mean it's worked like a charm in France hasn't it.

ABSOLUTELY. NUMBER 1 IN QUALITY OF LIFE AND HEALTH SYSTEM, STILL HAS HEALTHY FAMILY FARMS....higher median income than we have, better upward mobility, happier, etc etc etc

 

[francoHFW]

No, I want the bloated rich to pay more, the poorest to get paid more. And us to be more like France, which Americans don't know...

 

[tyroneweaver]

Payroll taxes are more than income taxes under Voodoo now...property, sales tax, etc etc. And the rich aren't paying for a damn thing lol...

ya know what's hilarious about your signature is America doesn't do this, America doesn't do that. America is the only country.
but when any nation in the world that has all this stuff that America doesn't do or provide;guess what nation they come to when they need help.

 

[francoHFW]

Only super power. Also causes lots of problems...like 2 Pub Great World Depressions...Actually, it's just Pubs that suq...lol

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no arguing with the stats in the OP- If you count ALL fed, state, and local taxes, the lowest fifth pay 16 per cent, everyone else 21 per cent...so the richest AT LEAST triple their wealth under Reaganist voodoo tax rates, while the rest and the country have been slowly ruined 1981-2008, and then QUICKLY ruined by the corruption and cronyism Pub meltdown. AND everything the hater dupes know about taxation is Pubcrappe- they're voting for the greedy idiot rich, and against themselves...

Voodoo wrecked and IS WRECKING the nonrich to the point where demand for products and services has dried up, along with their savings...before the corruption and cronyism housing and credit meltdown of 2008- while the rich have quadrupled their wealth...Memorize the facts, hater dupes:

1. WORKERS past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):1950 = 101%1960 = 105%1970 = 105%1980 = 105% – Reagan1990 = 100%2000 = 96%2007 = 92%A 13% drop since 1980A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.Share of National Income going to Top 10%:1950 = 35%1960 = 34%1970 = 34%1980 = 34% – Reagan1990 = 40%2000 = 47%2007 = 50% TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95% An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.1950 = 6.0%1960 = 7.0%1970 = 8.5%1980 = 10.0% – Reagan1982 = 11.2% – Peak1990 = 7.0%2000 = 2.0%2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

4. Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95%A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%and the bottom 80%:1980 = 10%2003 = 56%A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.The Probabilityy of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:1945 = 12%1958 = 6%1990 = 3%2000 = 2%A 10% Decrease.Links:1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Researc...s/No7Nov04.pdf1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez | The White House3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/imag...ving_thumb.gif3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/...&LastYear=20104 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php...or-debt-of-gdp4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 6, 20135/6 =
Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insiderhttp://factleft.com/2011/03/28/the-demise-of-the-american-middle-class-in-numbers/

WORKERS past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year.

Stop importing millions of low-skill illegals.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Only super power. Also causes lots of problems...like 2 Pub Great World Depressions...Actually, it's just Pubs that suq...lol

like what?.......maybe you would like us to come down a few levels to be like France....is that it?....you are a Dem Dupe Frankie.....

 

[francoHFW]

Well we do have 5 times their population and 10 times their natural resources...You haven't heard about the Pub Great Depressions, isolationism, wrecking the League of Nations, Reaganist chickenhawk idiocy, fought the Marshall Plan and Lend LEASE...ALWAYS A DISASTER...invented Ugly Americans...

France- NUMBER 1 IN QUALITY OF LIFE AND HEALTH SYSTEM, STILL HAS HEALTHY FAMILY FARMS....higher median income than we have, better upward mobility, happier, etc etc etc

 

[francoHFW]

There is no arguing with the stats in the OP- If you count ALL fed, state, and local taxes, the lowest fifth pay 16 per cent, everyone else 21 per cent...so the richest AT LEAST triple their wealth under Reaganist voodoo tax rates, while the rest and the country have been slowly ruined 1981-2008, and then QUICKLY ruined by the corruption and cronyism Pub meltdown. AND everything the hater dupes know about taxation is Pubcrappe- they're voting for the greedy idiot rich, and against themselves...

Voodoo wrecked and IS WRECKING the nonrich to the point where demand for products and services has dried up, along with their savings...before the corruption and cronyism housing and credit meltdown of 2008- while the rich have quadrupled their wealth...Memorize the facts, hater dupes:

1. WORKERS past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):1950 = 101%1960 = 105%1970 = 105%1980 = 105% – Reagan1990 = 100%2000 = 96%2007 = 92%A 13% drop since 1980A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.Share of National Income going to Top 10%:1950 = 35%1960 = 34%1970 = 34%1980 = 34% – Reagan1990 = 40%2000 = 47%2007 = 50% TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95% An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.1950 = 6.0%1960 = 7.0%1970 = 8.5%1980 = 10.0% – Reagan1982 = 11.2% – Peak1990 = 7.0%2000 = 2.0%2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

4. Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95%A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%and the bottom 80%:1980 = 10%2003 = 56%A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.The Probabilityy of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:1945 = 12%1958 = 6%1990 = 3%2000 = 2%A 10% Decrease.Links:1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Researc...s/No7Nov04.pdf1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez | The White House3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/imag...ving_thumb.gif3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/...&LastYear=20104 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php...or-debt-of-gdp4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 6, 20135/6 =
Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insiderhttp://factleft.com/2011/03/28/the-demise-of-the-american-middle-class-in-numbers/

WORKERS past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year.

Stop importing millions of low-skill illegals.

...because Pubs refuse good work/SS ID- actually, they love cheap, easily bullied labor- thendistract the hater dupes with silly fence talk and unconstitutional harassment laws- but ONLY during their recession/depressions...otherwise the hater dupes like the cheap labor lol...

 

[Lumpy 1]

Masters in History, fluent in 3 languages, 145 IQ, 1440 sats, hater dupe. What about your party's ridiculous propaganda...you know, the POINT...

and a 3rd grader can express themselves better than you can...

I believe Franco may very well be a retired liberal Democrat teacher..

 

[Spiderman]

The state level revenue burden shouldered by the working poor is somewhat regressive in even the most progressive of states and incredibly regressive in red states. Goes to show what they consider to be a fair tax structure.

so called progressive taxes are unfair by their nature.

The only fair tax is a flat tax.

 

[Mac1958]

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This kinda stuff frustrates the hell out of me.

So the point of the piece is that lower income people actually pay 16% of taxes. Okay, that's interesting, there are obviously taxes and fees that we all have to pay, and they're mostly flat, so it makes sense that lower income people are not only paying a higher percentage of their income to them. A reasonable point and interesting argument that I'd think should be considered.

But then, of course, I don't believe anything out-of-hand that I'm getting from one source (I leave that stuff up to the partisan ideologues), so I decide to check out the "Center on Budget and Policy Priorities", the source of the article. Sure enough, it's generally known as a left wing think tank ("think tank", a pretty vague and often amusing term). So I have to wonder what a rebuttal to this piece would look like (yes, I know, the left wing partisan ideologues will take it as gospel, the right wing partisan ideologues won't believe anything in the piece).

An interesting and critical issue, I'd love to see a civil, mature, intellectual discussion on it. But unfortunately, we'll probably never get the two ends of the spectrum to agree on the basic data, let alone what the data indicates. Therein lies the problem, the narcissistic partisan ideologues continue to impede improvements to our country...

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[Politico]

And the delusion beats on.

 

[deltex1]

So I guess the government should issue a "lower 20%" badge to wear so they can get everything at a 90% discount. I think the Pope would support that. The 20% will soon be 50%....the rush to the bottom as planned by our glorious president.

 

[editec]

So a couple who make 20k per year pay $3200 in taxes.......to whom????

They pay it in local, state, sales, gasoline taxes, etc. Plenty of Federal taxes like taxes on your phone service, internet, etc.

In fact I suspect the working classes rate of taxation really more than that.

Certainly it is if they smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol.

The VAST MAJORITY of the taxes that support SOCIETY (not support the Federal gov's war machine or corporate welfare, but society itself) are paid by the working classes...Not the 1/10 of 1% but by the working classes .

 

[Edgetho]

So I guess the government should issue a "lower 20%" badge to wear so they can get everything at a 90% discount. I think the Pope would support that. The 20% will soon be 50%....the rush to the bottom as planned by our glorious president.

This whole thread is based on a lie.....

There is no way in hell the lowest quintile pays 16% of Federal Taxes.

Especially when you consider.....

CBO:Top 40% Paid 106.2% of Income Taxes; Bottom 40% Paid -9.1%, Got Average of $18,950 in 'Transfers' | CNS News

At the same time, households in the bottom 40 percent took in an average of $18,950 in what the CBO called “government transfers” in 2010.

Which is the bottom two quintiles. I would extrapolate that the lowest quintile took in around $30k per household.

So, if they are paying anything in Federal taxes, they're paying it with MY fucking money

dimocraps are douchebags..... And stupid