Breaking News and Confirmed: Arizona Senate Passes Presidential Eligibility Bill 21-9

[bigrebnc1775]

Arizona does not have jurisdiction over the citizenship status of the people of Hawaii. If Arizona wants to make this rule apply for IT'S OWN CITIZENS who run for president, then it has every right to, but Obama is not a citizen of Arizona, he is a citizen of Hawaii and of the United States.

No they don't, just within their own state boundries. obama doesn't have to run on the ballot in Arizona. That would be up to him but if he does he must produce the documents asked for.

I recall you recently saying this to Liability

Liability, you should know better. Are you proposing that we should ignore not only the Constitution, but the original intent of the founders that states should not be able to quash the sovereign rights of other states?

You are doing exactly the thing you accused Liability of.

Ahh, the "I'm rubber and you're glue" approach to debate. That's an interesting one.

Doesn't Arizona have the same sovereign rights as Hawaii?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Republican and you live in Arizona sure you are.

I would dignify this with an answer but your reponse tells me all I need to know.

yep and you don't have to be a republican to support what Arizona is doing.

True enough, but you do need to be willing to ignore the plan text of the United States Constitution.


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[sinister59]

Good, I like the Governor in AZ. I just with our President was just as patriotic as her. He hates America and wants Capitalism to fail. This is what our country was founded on.

How do you feel about your governor getting caught making shit up last year?

she's a republican they always make shit up ,

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I would dignify this with an answer but your reponse tells me all I need to know.

yep and you don't have to be a republican to support what Arizona is doing.

True enough, but you do need to be willing to ignore the plan text of the United States Constitution.


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The only one who is ignoring the Constitution is you. The only reason their is no mentin of a birth certificate in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution is because birth certificates did not exist until the 1900's. Birth certificates are need to verify the place of birth. And the one hawaii issued has a few issues that need to be addressed.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Hawaii sealed obama's and all birth records from public view, last year which birth records were a public document.
SB2937 SD1.DOC

What unmitigated horseshit. Section 338-18 of the Hawaiian Revised Statutes existed for years before Obama was elected President. Records were NOT sealed last year. Records were not release because that is the law as the State of Hawaii decided the law should be long ago.

"§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."

http://www.usmessageboard.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=163187​

Hawaii SB2937 was proposed because birthers were inundating the Hawaii Department of Health with repeated and disruptive requests. Bascially the same people would request the same thing over and over and over and over, being told "No" each time and provided with a citation of the law and they would still repeat their requests.

SB2937 does not "Seal" records, the same people that were authorized access under §338-18 still have access to records. What SB2937 does is allow vexatious requesters to be identified and dealt with so that the Hawaii Department of Health can do it's job instead of dealing with repeat requesters.



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[bigrebnc1775]

Hawaii sealed obama's and all birth records from public view, last year which birth records were a public document.
SB2937 SD1.DOC

What unmitigated horseshit. Section 338-18 of the Hawaiian Revised Statutes existed for years before Obama was elected President. Records were NOT sealed last year. Records were not release because that is the law as the State of Hawaii decided the law should be long ago.

"§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."

http://www.usmessageboard.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=163187​

Hawaii SB2937 was proposed because birthers were inundating the Hawaii Department of Health with repeated and disruptive requests. Bascially the same people would request the same thing over and over and over and over, being told "No" each time and provided with a citation of the law and they would still repeat their requests.

SB2937 does not "Seal" records, the same people that were authorized access under §338-18 still have access to records. What SB2937 does is allow vexatious requesters to be identified and dealt with so that the Hawaii Department of Health can do it's job instead of dealing with repeat requesters.



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Here's the law
SB2937 SD1.DOC

and another thing

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessi...n&showtext=on&showcommrpt=on&showtestimony=on

 

[WorldWatcher]

Doesn't Arizona have the same sovereign rights as Hawaii?

Sure they do. Arizona determines the procedures and the process for documenting and issuing official birth documents within the State of Arizona just as Hawaii has the power to determine the procedures and process used within the State of Hawaii to issue official birth documents.

Arizona though does not have the right to mandate processes, procedures, and document requirements within the State of Hawaii and it does not have the Constitutional authority to reject official records issued under the Seal of the State of Hawaii unless exempted by the Congress of the United States under Article IV Section 1.



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[WorldWatcher]

Hawaii sealed obama's and all birth records from public view, last year which birth records were a public document.
SB2937 SD1.DOC

What unmitigated horseshit. Section 338-18 of the Hawaiian Revised Statutes existed for years before Obama was elected President. Records were NOT sealed last year. Records were not release because that is the law as the State of Hawaii decided the law should be long ago.

"§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."

http://www.usmessageboard.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=163187​

Hawaii SB2937 was proposed because birthers were inundating the Hawaii Department of Health with repeated and disruptive requests. Bascially the same people would request the same thing over and over and over and over, being told "No" each time and provided with a citation of the law and they would still repeat their requests.

SB2937 does not "Seal" records, the same people that were authorized access under §338-18 still have access to records. What SB2937 does is allow vexatious requesters to be identified and dealt with so that the Hawaii Department of Health can do it's job instead of dealing with repeat requesters.



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Here's the law
SB2937 SD1.DOC

Which as nothing do to with "sealing" records. Records were already restricted under Hawaiian Law per §338-18 of the Revised Statutes. SB2937 has to do with requesters abusing the system by making he same request repeatedly after having an original request denied.


See the previous quote for the law that was already in existence long before Obama came on the scene.


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[bigrebnc1775]

What unmitigated horseshit. Section 338-18 of the Hawaiian Revised Statutes existed for years before Obama was elected President. Records were NOT sealed last year. Records were not release because that is the law as the State of Hawaii decided the law should be long ago.

"§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."

http://www.usmessageboard.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=163187​

Hawaii SB2937 was proposed because birthers were inundating the Hawaii Department of Health with repeated and disruptive requests. Bascially the same people would request the same thing over and over and over and over, being told "No" each time and provided with a citation of the law and they would still repeat their requests.

SB2937 does not "Seal" records, the same people that were authorized access under §338-18 still have access to records. What SB2937 does is allow vexatious requesters to be identified and dealt with so that the Hawaii Department of Health can do it's job instead of dealing with repeat requesters.



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Here's the law
SB2937 SD1.DOC

Which as nothing do to with "sealing" records. Records were already restricted under Hawaiian Law per §338-18 of the Revised Statutes. SB2937 has to do with requesters abusing the system by making he same request repeatedly after having an original request denied.


See the previous quote for the law that was already in existence long before Obama came on the scene.


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I added this also

HI Legislature

from the second link

This seems to conflict with the basic rights that this law mentions in Section 92F-42:
(11) Shall inform the public rifthefollowing rights rifan individual and the proceduresfor exercising them:
(A) The right rifaccess to records pertaining to the individual,'
(B) The right to obtain a copy rifrecords pertaining to the individual,'
(C) The right to know the purposesfor which recordspertaining to the individual are kept;
(D) The right to be informed rifthe uses and disclosures rifrecordspertaining to the individual,'
(E) The right to correct or amend records pertaining to the individual,' and
(F) The individual's right to place a statement in a recordpertaining to that individual,'

 

[WorldWatcher]

Here's the law
SB2937 SD1.DOC

Which as nothing do to with "sealing" records. Records were already restricted under Hawaiian Law per §338-18 of the Revised Statutes. SB2937 has to do with requesters abusing the system by making he same request repeatedly after having an original request denied.


See the previous quote for the law that was already in existence long before Obama came on the scene.


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I added this also

HI Legislature

from the second link

This seems to conflict with the basic rights that this law mentions in Section 92F-42:
(11) Shall inform the public rifthefollowing rights rifan individual and the proceduresfor exercising them:
(A) The right rifaccess to records pertaining to the individual,'
(B) The right to obtain a copy rifrecords pertaining to the individual,'
(C) The right to know the purposesfor which recordspertaining to the individual are kept;
(D) The right to be informed rifthe uses and disclosures rifrecordspertaining to the individual,'
(E) The right to correct or amend records pertaining to the individual,' and
(F) The individual's right to place a statement in a recordpertaining to that individual,'

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Hawaiian Law §338-18 was in effect for years before Obama came on the scene and that law is what restricts access to private records.

The Senate Bill is about being able to ignore repeat requesters abusing the system.



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[blu]

birthers lol

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Which as nothing do to with "sealing" records. Records were already restricted under Hawaiian Law per §338-18 of the Revised Statutes. SB2937 has to do with requesters abusing the system by making he same request repeatedly after having an original request denied.


See the previous quote for the law that was already in existence long before Obama came on the scene.


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I added this also

HI Legislature

from the second link

This seems to conflict with the basic rights that this law mentions in Section 92F-42:
(11) Shall inform the public rifthefollowing rights rifan individual and the proceduresfor exercising them:
(A) The right rifaccess to records pertaining to the individual,'
(B) The right to obtain a copy rifrecords pertaining to the individual,'
(C) The right to know the purposesfor which recordspertaining to the individual are kept;
(D) The right to be informed rifthe uses and disclosures rifrecordspertaining to the individual,'
(E) The right to correct or amend records pertaining to the individual,' and
(F) The individual's right to place a statement in a recordpertaining to that individual,'

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Hawaiian Law §338-18 was in effect for years before Obama came on the scene and that law is what restricts access to private records.

The Senate Bill is about being able to ignore repeat requesters abusing the system.



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This bill was created with obama in mind sealing it from public view

"§92F-A Abuse of process. (a) An agency may request that the office of information practices declare that a person is a vexatious requester.

(b) The office of information practices may declare that a person is a vexatious requester if it determines that the person has established a pattern of conduct that amounts to an abuse of a process set forth under this chapter. When the person has been working in concert with another person to make requests, including making identical requests, both persons' requests may be considered as part of the person's pattern of conduct. The office of information practices shall consider whether a person's pattern of conduct includes the following factors, provided that no one factor alone shall be sufficient to find an abuse of a process set forth under this chapter:

(1) A large quantity or broad scope of requests by the person;

(2) Splitting requests to avoid or minimize fees;

(3) Duplicative or repetitive requests made for the same action, where the agency has already responded to the request;

(4) Requests for records submitted for a purpose other than obtaining access to the records, including nuisance value or harassment;

(5) Institution of proceedings under this chapter, including appealing requests or submitting complaints or investigation requests, without reasonable grounds, or to accomplish an objective unrelated to the purpose of the proceedings;

(6) Abandonment of requests when the fee is not waived, and the request is for a purpose other than obtaining access to the records; or

(7) Requests that only marginally promote the public interest in disclosure under this chapter, including requests focused on an agency's handling of the requester's own requests or correspondence.

SB2937 SD1.DOC

 

[Zona]

Let us know how this turns out with the supreme court.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Let us know how this turns out with the supreme court.

more reason to believe the bc is a fraud because people like you fear the openess of the truth.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I added this also

HI Legislature

from the second link

This seems to conflict with the basic rights that this law mentions in Section 92F-42:
(11) Shall inform the public rifthefollowing rights rifan individual and the proceduresfor exercising them:
(A) The right rifaccess to records pertaining to the individual,'
(B) The right to obtain a copy rifrecords pertaining to the individual,'
(C) The right to know the purposesfor which recordspertaining to the individual are kept;
(D) The right to be informed rifthe uses and disclosures rifrecordspertaining to the individual,'
(E) The right to correct or amend records pertaining to the individual,' and
(F) The individual's right to place a statement in a recordpertaining to that individual,'

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Hawaiian Law §338-18 was in effect for years before Obama came on the scene and that law is what restricts access to private records.

The Senate Bill is about being able to ignore repeat requesters abusing the system.



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This bill was created with obama in mind sealing it from public view

"§92F-A Abuse of process. (a) An agency may request that the office of information practices declare that a person is a vexatious requester.

(b) The office of information practices may declare that a person is a vexatious requester if it determines that the person has established a pattern of conduct that amounts to an abuse of a process set forth under this chapter.

Horseshit. Personal files were already not releasable to the public under Hawaiian Revised Statutes.

"§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."​

This Senate Bill is about frivolous repeat requests for information when that request has already denied under "§338-18, a law that has been in existence for years.



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[bigrebnc1775]

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Hawaiian Law §338-18 was in effect for years before Obama came on the scene and that law is what restricts access to private records.

The Senate Bill is about being able to ignore repeat requesters abusing the system.



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This bill was created with obama in mind sealing it from public view

"§92F-A Abuse of process. (a) An agency may request that the office of information practices declare that a person is a vexatious requester.

(b) The office of information practices may declare that a person is a vexatious requester if it determines that the person has established a pattern of conduct that amounts to an abuse of a process set forth under this chapter.

Horseshit. Personal files were already not releasable to the public under Hawaiian Revised Statutes.

"§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."​

This Senate Bill is about frivolous repeat requests for information when that request has already denied under "§338-18, a law that has been in existence for years.



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You can say horse shit all you want thats what this new law states.

 

[WorldWatcher]

This bill was created with obama in mind sealing it from public view

"§92F-A Abuse of process. (a) An agency may request that the office of information practices declare that a person is a vexatious requester.

(b) The office of information practices may declare that a person is a vexatious requester if it determines that the person has established a pattern of conduct that amounts to an abuse of a process set forth under this chapter.

Horseshit. Personal files were already not releasable to the public under Hawaiian Revised Statutes.

"§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."​

This Senate Bill is about frivolous repeat requests for information when that request has already denied under "§338-18, a law that has been in existence for years.



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You can say horse shit all you want thats what this new law states.

And what does paragraph (b) of §338-18 say? Which has been the law in Hawaii for years.


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[Lovebears65]

What is Obama hiding though without giving out his original birth certificate. What they showed is what Trump has been saying all along. A Certificate of a live birth. Does not state the hospital he was born in. A Birth certificate will have the hospital name and most of the times the foot prints of the baby. This is not on the one he provided. In one interview he states that his original was lost. But either the hospital or public records have a copy of his original. You can go to the hospital that your born in and get a copy. If he was actually born here then so the original copy not just the certificate of live birth that any american can get whether born in the states or abroad... I am not saying he was not born here but at least show the right stuff and let this stuff be put to rest because until he does people are going to question his eligibility of whether he is a natural born american or one that was born in kenya. Either way he is an american but to become president you have to be born in the usa.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Horseshit. Personal files were already not releasable to the public under Hawaiian Revised Statutes.

"§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."​

This Senate Bill is about frivolous repeat requests for information when that request has already denied under "§338-18, a law that has been in existence for years.



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You can say horse shit all you want thats what this new law states.

And what does paragraph (b) of §338-18 say? Which has been the law in Hawaii for years.


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and this law had nothing to do with obama? bullshit.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And the state of hawaii is lying.

Confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.[Note 1][1] As a result, people gather evidence and recall information from memory selectively, and interpret it in a biased way. The biases appear in particular for emotionally significant issues and for established beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and/or recall have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a stronger weighting for data encountered early in an arbitrary series) and illusory correlation (in which people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This will be a long reply

Politicians have been proven to be dishonest do we agree?
Democrats have proven to be very dishonest
Hawaii is democratic controlled state ever since it became a state
Voted once for a republican president and elected once a republican Governor, so anyone that calls them self a republican in that kind of environment with be leaning democratic, or RINO.
Hawaii sealed obama's and all birth records from public view, last year which birth records were a public document.
SB2937 SD1.DOC

The state of Hawaii 2007 tried to pass off a document that was never accepted by the state registrar of 1961
obamas certificate numbers are out of sequence with two twins born a day later, in the same county. It has been said that Hawaii does not issue the long form anymore, that is a lie, because hawaii does issue them at least they did on March 15 2011

The newspaper clipping is no proof because anyone in Hawaii, including obama's grand mother who lived there at the time could have submitted it to the newspaper, while obama was being born aboard, all it says is that obama was born, and his parents lived at such and such location. Do you think people don't travel? If obama was born outside the U.S. his mother would have had to contact the U.S. Embassy to do the proper paper work for citizenship.

The only two people other than what Hawaii claims were two from fact check. org neither of the two had credentials for verifying authentic or forged documents. Fact check is controlled by the Annenberg foundation, which obama was a board member.

If you weren't so biased you would also question the BC. You would welcome the openess of obama producing the long form, because it would hurt nothing and would stop the argument.

Come on make your case anyone?