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McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel fuel.Would it make you feel better if it were IED violence??
Who says I agree with everything with the NRA or that I am even a member?? I am a gun owner who is not an NRA member, and I do not think they speak for all gun owners...
This is no more 'gun violence' than it is Nike Shoe violence (if that was the shoes the person was wearing and using to walk around to do the deed)... it is simply a violent tragedy done by some disturbed person
Do we have an IED violence problem in this country? Perhaps the fact that dynamite can't be easily purchased has a little to do with it.
From Fox News website.. not a lot of details, except 2 in custody
Now we just sit back and wait for people to blame the guns instead of the perps again
Yes, everyone knows that guns have nothing at all WHATSOEVER to do with gun violence.
Reported by Fox News--no details yet.
These things go in streaks. There always seem to be a number of copycats out there following a big massacre.
So anyone reporting who did the shooting and where they got the gun(s) yet?
I guess I should have read further into the thread before replying. My thoughts exactly.Would it make you feel better if it were IED violence??
Who says I agree with everything with the NRA or that I am even a member?? I am a gun owner who is not an NRA member, and I do not think they speak for all gun owners...
This is no more 'gun violence' than it is Nike Shoe violence (if that was the shoes the person was wearing and using to walk around to do the deed)... it is simply a violent tragedy done by some disturbed person
Do we have an IED violence problem in this country? Perhaps the fact that dynamite can't be easily purchased has a little to do with it.
IEDs are only dynamite?? Funny.. I can make a nice explosive out of household chemicals.. and lest we forget what a madman can do with fuel and fertilizer
What we have in this country is a violence problem... not a gun violence problem, not an IED violence problem, not a knife violence problem... a violence problem.. and taking away guns from the law abiding, limiting sizes of magazines for the law abiding, etc is not going to stop that
BAN THOSE THINGS!!!...Especially that EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL diesel fuel.McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel fuel.Would it make you feel better if it were IED violence??
Who says I agree with everything with the NRA or that I am even a member?? I am a gun owner who is not an NRA member, and I do not think they speak for all gun owners...
This is no more 'gun violence' than it is Nike Shoe violence (if that was the shoes the person was wearing and using to walk around to do the deed)... it is simply a violent tragedy done by some disturbed person
Do we have an IED violence problem in this country? Perhaps the fact that dynamite can't be easily purchased has a little to do with it.
McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel fuel.Do we have an IED violence problem in this country? Perhaps the fact that dynamite can't be easily purchased has a little to do with it.
So what?
Are you suggesting that our fertilizer carnage is roughly equal to our gun carnage?
Just because people can be killed in other ways is no reason to ignore reality.
A kid can buy bug spray and get high with it. Does that mean we should legalize all drugs?
Bingo!
Idiotic.. and you just keep expanding it every time a tragedy happens because a PERSON or PERSONS has evil intent??
Fascist
A tragedy has been happening for many years now in this country. It happens every day.
Could we do something about it modeled after one of the many countries that don't seem to have nearly the gun violence problem that we have? Sure we could.
Will we do actually do anything about it that will actually change things for the better? Of course not.[/QUOTE]\
Good point and one I have been saying for sometime. The nutters have just enough of the COTUS to fall back on that any sensible gun legislation is shit canned immediately.
Those 30,000 plus gun deaths we have each year; to a gun nutter, they are just the cost of doing gun business in America.
Idiotic.. and you just keep expanding it every time a tragedy happens because a PERSON or PERSONS has evil intent??
Fascist
A tragedy has been happening for many years now in this country. It happens every day.
Could we do something about it modeled after one of the many countries that don't seem to have nearly the gun violence problem that we have? Sure we could.
Will we do actually do anything about it that will actually change things for the better? Of course not.[/QUOTE]\
Good point and one I have been saying for sometime. The nutters have just enough of the COTUS to fall back on that any sensible gun legislation is shit canned immediately.
Those 30,000 plus gun deaths we have each year; to a gun nutter, they are just the cost of doing gun business in America.
are you in favor of govt confiscation of guns from legal gun owners? then who would have guns? criminals and the government----would that make you sleep well?
tell me specifically what you want done with guns in the US
If that shooter picked up a gun out of daddy's sock drawer and used it to shoot a classmate, daddy should be held liable for not securing his weapon better.
BAN THOSE THINGS!!!...Especially that EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL diesel fuel.McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel fuel.Do we have an IED violence problem in this country? Perhaps the fact that dynamite can't be easily purchased has a little to do with it.
lets see now--------how many shootings in chicago this week? and what gun laws does chicago have--------
the problem is the people, not the guns.
If that shooter picked up a gun out of daddy's sock drawer and used it to shoot a classmate, daddy should be held liable for not securing his weapon better.
agree
One big obvious fact is that libtards are completely insane. The 2nd amendment protects my right to own my ar15 and my other weapons. Guns do not kill, people kill. Socialists will only use gun violence to take guns away violating our rights.Yes, everyone knows that guns have nothing at all WHATSOEVER to do with gun violence.
Yeah.. the guns did all that violence.. they made the people commit those acts
What happens this time if it was NOT an 'assault weapon' from the newest list?? Expand the list??
There are a few simple undeniable facts that hardcore 2nd Amendment advocates refuse to acknowledge. One is that gun violence wouldn't happen without guns anymore than it would happen without emotionally upset or psychologically unsound people. It's the combination of the two. Another fact is that there are WAY too many guns floating around in this country in the hands of irresponsible people. They may not be felons. And they may be generally law-abiding citizens. But they're NOT necessarily responsible. They leave weapons around loaded. They leave them where they can get stolen. They allow too many people to have access to where weapons are kept. The list goes on and on. I saw a stat the other day that about 235,000 guns are STOLEN every year from homes. To me, that's just one more sign of irresponsible gun ownership.
Furthermore, the NRA opposes extending background checks to ALL gun transactions. Now why would that be? Could it be that the gun lobby doesn't want to lose a customer base that might not otherwise legally be allowed to buy guns?
From what I can tell, the NRA is acting as irresponsibly as many gun owners who want to have what they want without any real accountability to anyone. But being in possession of a deadly weapon which is specifically designed and manufactured to kill other human beings brings with it a responsibility to others in the community. It's time that these gun owners start behaving responsibly. And if they refuse to do so on their own, perhaps it's time that laws are passed to require compliance under penalty of law and possibly of being sued by victims of gun violence. Perhaps requiring gun owners to purchase gun insurance is something that should be looked at.
But whatever does happen, it shouldn't be allowed to continue the way it has for decades with no real gun owner accountability.
One big obvious fact is that libtards are completely insane. The 2nd amendment protects my right to own my ar15 and my other weapons. Guns do not kill, people kill. Socialists will only use gun violence to take guns away violating our rights.Yeah.. the guns did all that violence.. they made the people commit those acts
What happens this time if it was NOT an 'assault weapon' from the newest list?? Expand the list??
There are a few simple undeniable facts that hardcore 2nd Amendment advocates refuse to acknowledge. One is that gun violence wouldn't happen without guns anymore than it would happen without emotionally upset or psychologically unsound people. It's the combination of the two. Another fact is that there are WAY too many guns floating around in this country in the hands of irresponsible people. They may not be felons. And they may be generally law-abiding citizens. But they're NOT necessarily responsible. They leave weapons around loaded. They leave them where they can get stolen. They allow too many people to have access to where weapons are kept. The list goes on and on. I saw a stat the other day that about 235,000 guns are STOLEN every year from homes. To me, that's just one more sign of irresponsible gun ownership.
Furthermore, the NRA opposes extending background checks to ALL gun transactions. Now why would that be? Could it be that the gun lobby doesn't want to lose a customer base that might not otherwise legally be allowed to buy guns?
From what I can tell, the NRA is acting as irresponsibly as many gun owners who want to have what they want without any real accountability to anyone. But being in possession of a deadly weapon which is specifically designed and manufactured to kill other human beings brings with it a responsibility to others in the community. It's time that these gun owners start behaving responsibly. And if they refuse to do so on their own, perhaps it's time that laws are passed to require compliance under penalty of law and possibly of being sued by victims of gun violence. Perhaps requiring gun owners to purchase gun insurance is something that should be looked at.
But whatever does happen, it shouldn't be allowed to continue the way it has for decades with no real gun owner accountability.
One big obvious fact is that libtards are completely insane. The 2nd amendment protects my right to own my ar15 and my other weapons. Guns do not kill, people kill. Socialists will only use gun violence to take guns away violating our rights.Yeah.. the guns did all that violence.. they made the people commit those acts
What happens this time if it was NOT an 'assault weapon' from the newest list?? Expand the list??
There are a few simple undeniable facts that hardcore 2nd Amendment advocates refuse to acknowledge. One is that gun violence wouldn't happen without guns anymore than it would happen without emotionally upset or psychologically unsound people. It's the combination of the two. Another fact is that there are WAY too many guns floating around in this country in the hands of irresponsible people. They may not be felons. And they may be generally law-abiding citizens. But they're NOT necessarily responsible. They leave weapons around loaded. They leave them where they can get stolen. They allow too many people to have access to where weapons are kept. The list goes on and on. I saw a stat the other day that about 235,000 guns are STOLEN every year from homes. To me, that's just one more sign of irresponsible gun ownership.
Furthermore, the NRA opposes extending background checks to ALL gun transactions. Now why would that be? Could it be that the gun lobby doesn't want to lose a customer base that might not otherwise legally be allowed to buy guns?
From what I can tell, the NRA is acting as irresponsibly as many gun owners who want to have what they want without any real accountability to anyone. But being in possession of a deadly weapon which is specifically designed and manufactured to kill other human beings brings with it a responsibility to others in the community. It's time that these gun owners start behaving responsibly. And if they refuse to do so on their own, perhaps it's time that laws are passed to require compliance under penalty of law and possibly of being sued by victims of gun violence. Perhaps requiring gun owners to purchase gun insurance is something that should be looked at.
But whatever does happen, it shouldn't be allowed to continue the way it has for decades with no real gun owner accountability.
