Breaking News: U.S. Supreme Court Stops Gay Marriage In Utah

[Silhouette]

Only their Federal Taxes. They will have to file separately for state and jointly for Federal. It's the exact opposite of the way I've been doing it since 2003...until this year. This year my spouse and I will be filing joint Federal and State taxes. I'm very excited.

relationship status should not determine tax breaks. NO marriage, gay or otherwise should receive tax breaks merely for being married.

If the courts are really interested in doing this thing right. they aught to take away the term marriage from all governments and prohibit tax breaks based on relational status.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...and yet I've seen no legislation proposed anywhere to do that. In the meantime, my legal marriage gets treated like yours...hooray!

That's like saying "I get to play a little while longer in virtual marriage land". If you were "married" in California, you are in violation of law and your marriage is also.

 

[Seawytch]

relationship status should not determine tax breaks. NO marriage, gay or otherwise should receive tax breaks merely for being married.

If the courts are really interested in doing this thing right. they aught to take away the term marriage from all governments and prohibit tax breaks based on relational status.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...and yet I've seen no legislation proposed anywhere to do that. In the meantime, my legal marriage gets treated like yours...hooray!

That's like saying "I get to play a little while longer in virtual marriage land". If you were "married" in California, you are in violation of law and your marriage is also.

Nope...I get to continue to play in "married land" in perpetuity. I was married in 2008, before Prop 8 not that it matters since Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional.

 

[Silhouette]

Yeah, yeah, yeah...and yet I've seen no legislation proposed anywhere to do that. In the meantime, my legal marriage gets treated like yours...hooray!

That's like saying "I get to play a little while longer in virtual marriage land". If you were "married" in California, you are in violation of law and your marriage is also.

Nope...I get to continue to play in "married land" in perpetuity. I was married in 2008, before Prop 8 not that it matters since Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional.

Were you married in California since the founding of the nation to a same gendered person? If so, your marriage is invalid.

 

[Seawytch]

That's like saying "I get to play a little while longer in virtual marriage land". If you were "married" in California, you are in violation of law and your marriage is also.

Nope...I get to continue to play in "married land" in perpetuity. I was married in 2008, before Prop 8 not that it matters since Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional.

Were you married in California since the founding of the nation to a same gendered person? If so, your marriage is invalid.

Um...nobody has been married since the founding of the Nation, Einstein.

You'd think the military would know that my legal marriage was "invalid" and yet still they enrolled my spouse in DEERS and issued her a dependent ID card. Weird...

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's like saying "I get to play a little while longer in virtual marriage land". If you were "married" in California, you are in violation of law and your marriage is also.

Nope...I get to continue to play in "married land" in perpetuity. I was married in 2008, before Prop 8 not that it matters since Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional.

Were you married in California since the founding of the nation to a same gendered person? If so, your marriage is invalid.

Only in your mind, sil. Seawytch's marriage is every bit as valid in the state as before God.

 

[JakeStarkey]

May silhouette has been married since the beginning of the nation. That would make her really old.

 

[KNB]

Go through the Bible with a black magic marker and cross out every single line that is not a direct quote from Jesus Christ. When you're finished, read through Jesus' words to find when he said that homosexuality or gay marriage is an "abomination".

Hint: He never said anything like that. However, you will find several quotes where he says that money is an abomination, bankers are scum, and greed is a sin.

If Jesus Christ rose from the grave and ran for President of the United States in the year 2016, the GOP would condemn him as a liberal leftist Progressive Commie Socialist Nazi traitor.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Go through the Bible with a black magic marker and cross out every single line that is not a direct quote from Jesus Christ. When you're finished, read through Jesus' words to find when he said that homosexuality or gay marriage is an "abomination".

Hint: He never said anything like that. However, you will find several quotes where he says that money is an abomination, bankers are scum, and greed is a sin.

If Jesus Christ rose from the grave and ran for President of the United States in the year 2016, the GOP would condemn him as a liberal leftist Progressive Commie Socialist Nazi traitor.

Go through my State's constitution with a highlighter and embolden where is marriage is between a man and a woman.

 

[KNB]

If marriage is a religious institution, then your state's Constitution can't have anything to do with it because "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

If marriage is simply a social contract between two people and the government's role is to oversee taxation, then your state's Constitution can't have anything that unfairly discriminates against the LGBT population. So either way, the Bible and the GOP are wrong on this.

Why are "small government" Republicans always so interested in what free people do in their own homes? Are gay people committing a crime that directly affects you? Does it really concern you if two women are married? Why does that concern you? You're not involved in their social arrangement at all, in any imaginable way, so why do you get to force your mangled version of "morality" on other segments of the population that don't believe in your stupid fairy tale? That is unconstitutional.

 

[OODA_Loop]

If marriage is a religious institution, then your state's Constitution can't have anything to do with it because "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

Congress didn't make a law.

No religion was established.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Why are "small government" Republicans always so interested in what free people do in their own homes? Are gay people committing a crime that directly affects you? Does it really concern you if two women are married? Why does that concern you? You're not involved in their social arrangement at all, in any imaginable way, so why do you get to force your mangled version of "morality" on other segments of the population that don't believe in your stupid fairy tale? That is unconstitutional.

I'm not a "small government" Republican but it seems you have taken the issue mainstream and far from the privacy of any home.

The collective will of the citizenry of my State and its Constitution is paramount.

I view homosexuality like any other paraphilia, as the did the DSM prior to the 1970's. You are free to engage all you want but my community doesn't have to legitimize, sanction or otherwise condone of such behavior.

 

[freedombecki]

The entire problem is a Federal tax code that rewards marriage

It was meant to help taxpaying parents save for their retirement when most Americans were actually having babies.

Now, liberals want all Americans to abort their babies and join the club.

And if you say anything against it, the frothing begins.

 

[dcraelin]

Only their Federal Taxes. They will have to file separately for state and jointly for Federal. It's the exact opposite of the way I've been doing it since 2003...until this year. This year my spouse and I will be filing joint Federal and State taxes. I'm very excited.

relationship status should not determine tax breaks. NO marriage, gay or otherwise should receive tax breaks merely for being married.
If the courts are really interested in doing this thing right. they aught to take away the term marriage from all governments and prohibit tax breaks based on relational status.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...and yet I've seen no legislation proposed anywhere to do that. In the meantime, my legal marriage gets treated like yours...hooray!

all of a sudden, you who look to the courts for answers, want legislation?

your marriage could not be treated like mine cause I'm not married. Why is it fair that I dont get a tax break???

 

[KNB]

Do you people know how stupid you sound? "My community has the right to discriminate against whoever we want." No, you don't. Gay people have the right to be married. You and your stupid Bible do not have the right to stop them. This is a civil rights issue, like allowing black people and women to vote. By your failed "logic", your dumbass white racist community has the right to stop African-Americans and women from voting. "The governor signed a law that says that black people and women can't vote because the Bible told him to." Somehow that's okay in regards to gay marriage? "The governor signed a law that says gay people can't get married because the Bible said homosexuality is a sin." Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Of course you don't.

Even if 101% of Americans "vote their faith" and condemn the entire LGBT community, you still can't pass a law that forbids them from marrying, filing taxes as a couple, or visiting each other in the hospital. That is against the US Constitution. Your idea is detrimental to gays' and lesbians' right to life, liberty and the pursuit of their own happiness which does not have any intrusion into your life in the slightest possible way. Like two women getting married somehow makes YOUR heterosexual marriage less meaningful? You might not like the idea of gay people getting married, but luckily for rational society, your idiotic religion isn't allowed to become law. Your only other options are to move out of the United States or just kill yourself.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Do you people know how stupid you sound? "My community has the right to discriminate against whoever we want." No, you don't. Gay people have the right to be married. You and your stupid Bible do not have the right to stop them.

Gay people have the right to be married in States where it is the will of its citizenry.

The Bible doesn't motivate or enter the argument for me or the legislative process of Constitutional amendment.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Even if 101% of Americans "vote their faith" and condemn the entire LGBT community, you still can't pass a law that forbids them from marrying, filing taxes as a couple, or visiting each other in the hospital. That is against the US Constitution. Your idea is detrimental to gays' and lesbians' right to life, liberty and the pursuit of their own happiness which does not have any intrusion into your life in the slightest possible way.

The Constitution doesn't give you the right to life, liberty or pursuit of your own happiness.

 

[Katzndogz]

Holder made it very plain that federal law will be upheld in Utah.

Since Utah income tax is based on a platform of federal taxed income first, the married couples -- all married couples in Utah -- will be treated the same on the Utah income tax form.

Or the governor and the state AG will be upheld for contempt of federal law: not a good place to be.

Only their Federal Taxes. They will have to file separately for state and jointly for Federal. It's the exact opposite of the way I've been doing it since 2003...until this year. This year my spouse and I will be filing joint Federal and State taxes. I'm very excited.

relationship status should not determine tax breaks. NO marriage, gay or otherwise should receive tax breaks merely for being married.

If the courts are really interested in doing this thing right. they aught to take away the term marriage from all governments and prohibit tax breaks based on relational status.

They don't get tax breaks. It's called the marriage penalty. What they get tax breaks for is having children, but even single people get tax breaks for having children.

TPC Tax Topics | Marriage Penalty

When two individuals marry, their income tax liability as a married couple may exceed their combined income tax liabilities as singles. This additional tax burden resulting from marriage is referred to as a "marriage penalty" (or "marriage tax"). Marriage can also reduce the federal tax liability of two people, in which case the reduction in tax is called a "marriage bonus" (or "marriage subsidy").

This concept is easily illustrated using a hypothetical couple. Assume that in 2001 two people each have an annual income of $30,000. Assume also that each uses one personal exemption of $2,900 and that each takes the standard deduction of $4,550. Each has an income tax liability of $3,383, and their combined tax liabilities as singles total $6,766. If they were to marry and use the standard deduction for married couples filing jointly ($7,600) and two personal exemptions, then their married tax liability would be $7,172. This hypothetical couple would pay $406 more in federal income taxes as a married couple than they would as two single individuals. This difference in tax liability ($406) is the so-called marriage penalty.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If marriage is a religious institution, then your state's Constitution can't have anything to do with it because "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

Congress didn't make a law.

No religion was established.

The 1st Amendment was long ago incorporated into federal supremacy, and no state may ignore 14th Amendment protections of individual rights

Where in conflict, state law can never overrule federal law.

 

[OODA_Loop]

If marriage is a religious institution, then your state's Constitution can't have anything to do with it because "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

Congress didn't make a law.

No religion was established.

The 1st Amendment was long ago incorporated into federal supremacy, and no state may ignore 14th Amendment protections of individual rights

Where in conflict, state law can never overrule federal law.

Thanks. I filed this in

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[Luddly Neddite]

I've never watched the TV show, "Girls" but apparently its a huge hit. The star, Lena Dunham said, "I don't want to get married until all gay people can get married."

Good for her.

Dr. Martin Luther King was right when he said, "no one is free until we are all free."