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And to what do you attribute this shift?
Education?
Propaganda?
Browbeating?
Increased tolerance?
Spiritual or intellectual enlightenment?
Increased fear of political incorrectness and the social penalties attendant?
Disgust with liberal government drift towards legitimization of homosexuality?
Resignation that the government won't hold its ground so there's no point resisting any longer?
Lack of organization?
Exhaustion from years of being bombarded with faux political correctness arguments?
Maturing of a new generation of so-called metrosexuals that lacks the same backbone as its predecessors?
The 97% haven't been pushed far enough yet by the 3% to react substantively and collectively?
Biased polling of interpreting or reporting entities trying to jump on the bandwagon in order to be seen backing the trend de jour?
Polling mostly in urban areas with a higher density of Gays and Gay-tolerant folk than the burbs and the farmlands?
Some combination of the above?
And to what do you attribute this shift?
Education?
Propaganda?
Browbeating?
Increased tolerance?
Spiritual or intellectual enlightenment?
Increased fear of political incorrectness and the social penalties attendant?
Disgust with liberal government drift towards legitimization of homosexuality?
Resignation that the government won't hold its ground so there's no point resisting any longer?
Lack of organization?
Exhaustion from years of being bombarded with faux political correctness arguments?
Maturing of a new generation of so-called metrosexuals that lacks the same backbone as its predecessors?
The 97% haven't been pushed far enough yet by the 3% to react substantively and collectively?
Biased polling of interpreting or reporting entities trying to jump on the bandwagon in order to be seen backing the trend de jour?
Polling mostly in urban areas with a higher density of Gays and Gay-tolerant folk than the burbs and the farmlands?
Some combination of the above?
And to what do you attribute this shift?
Education?
Propaganda?
Browbeating?
Increased tolerance?
Spiritual or intellectual enlightenment?
Increased fear of political incorrectness and the social penalties attendant?
Disgust with liberal government drift towards legitimization of homosexuality?
Resignation that the government won't hold its ground so there's no point resisting any longer?
Lack of organization?
Exhaustion from years of being bombarded with faux political correctness arguments?
Maturing of a new generation of so-called metrosexuals that lacks the same backbone as its predecessors?
The 97% haven't been pushed far enough yet by the 3% to react substantively and collectively?
Biased polling of interpreting or reporting entities trying to jump on the bandwagon in order to be seen backing the trend de jour?
Polling mostly in urban areas with a higher density of Gays and Gay-tolerant folk than the burbs and the farmlands?
Some combination of the above?
I'll tell y'all one thing that will make those little old numbers plummet up there. A simple reading from The Mayor of Castro Street, The Life and Times of Harvey Milk, by Randy Shilts.
You can start with page 180 and branch out from there...
You know, do a live panel and ask audience members questions. Have gays up on stage, ask them some questions about how they justify iconizing a serial child-sodomizer. Things like that.
And characterizing him as a "child hawk" when his youngest boyfriend was 16 (nearly 17), an age legal in most states... just strikes me as judgement based more on a desire to demonize him than to judge him fairly. In so doing, they hope to apply guilt by association, suggesting that anyone who acknowledges Harvey Milk must also be supporting pedophilia.
[...]
I do think many of the judgements against him are exaggerated and opportunistic, and intent on painting all gays as pedophiles by association. [...]
You should be familiar with this, as you participated in the thread (and so long ago, sil, you really need to find something relevant to your own life):
Californians Set to Boycott Harvey Milk Day - Page 4 (politics)
And characterizing him as a "child hawk" when his youngest boyfriend was 16 (nearly 17), an age legal in most states... just strikes me as judgement based more on a desire to demonize him than to judge him fairly. In so doing, they hope to apply guilt by association, suggesting that anyone who acknowledges Harvey Milk must also be supporting pedophilia.
[...]
I do think many of the judgements against him are exaggerated and opportunistic, and intent on painting all gays as pedophiles by association. [...]
And to what do you attribute this shift?
Education?
Propaganda?
Browbeating?
Increased tolerance?
Spiritual or intellectual enlightenment?
Increased fear of political incorrectness and the social penalties attendant?
Disgust with liberal government drift towards legitimization of homosexuality?
Resignation that the government won't hold its ground so there's no point resisting any longer?
Lack of organization?
Exhaustion from years of being bombarded with faux political correctness arguments?
Maturing of a new generation of so-called metrosexuals that lacks the same backbone as its predecessors?
The 97% haven't been pushed far enough yet by the 3% to react substantively and collectively?
Biased polling of interpreting or reporting entities trying to jump on the bandwagon in order to be seen backing the trend de jour?
Polling mostly in urban areas with a higher density of Gays and Gay-tolerant folk than the burbs and the farmlands?
Some combination of the above?
You should be familiar with this, as you participated in the thread (and so long ago, sil, you really need to find something relevant to your own life):
Californians Set to Boycott Harvey Milk Day - Page 4 (politics)
And characterizing him as a "child hawk" when his youngest boyfriend was 16 (nearly 17), an age legal in most states... just strikes me as judgement based more on a desire to demonize him than to judge him fairly. In so doing, they hope to apply guilt by association, suggesting that anyone who acknowledges Harvey Milk must also be supporting pedophilia.
[...]
I do think many of the judgements against him are exaggerated and opportunistic, and intent on painting all gays as pedophiles by association. [...]
Keep defending him...
This is EASY..lol... Nothing like autopilot to take the load off my back.
And to what do you attribute this shift?
Education?
Propaganda?
Browbeating?
Increased tolerance?
Spiritual or intellectual enlightenment?
Increased fear of political incorrectness and the social penalties attendant?
Disgust with liberal government drift towards legitimization of homosexuality?
Resignation that the government won't hold its ground so there's no point resisting any longer?
Lack of organization?
Exhaustion from years of being bombarded with faux political correctness arguments?
Maturing of a new generation of so-called metrosexuals that lacks the same backbone as its predecessors?
The 97% haven't been pushed far enough yet by the 3% to react substantively and collectively?
Biased polling of interpreting or reporting entities trying to jump on the bandwagon in order to be seen backing the trend de jour?
Polling mostly in urban areas with a higher density of Gays and Gay-tolerant folk than the burbs and the farmlands?
Some combination of the above?
I'll tell y'all one thing that will make those little old numbers plummet up there. A simple reading from The Mayor of Castro Street, The Life and Times of Harvey Milk, by Randy Shilts.
You can start with page 180 and branch out from there...
You know, do a live panel and ask audience members questions. Have gays up on stage, ask them some questions about how they justify iconizing a serial child-sodomizer. Things like that.
I thought you wanted to promote the stability of our society?
He hates not the sinner, but yet detest the sin in which is allowed in by the sinner. Now why does he concern himself with sin like this ? It is because he knows what the condition of sinfulness will bring to an individual if left alone for to long. He as well as us know that very bad things come as a result of such things always, and also he knows what it will do to the individual over time if there are no warnings or answers given to the individual about such things that do hurt them over time. The individual may seek such answers when all is on the fritz for that individual, who is dabbling in such things as sin, and also who has found out the harm that it brings to one regardless of who they may be in their life. Sin does not discriminate within it's outcomes as found upon the individual, and this no matter who they are in their life. It is an equal opportunity condition, and any one can play the game of sin in their lives freely, but be willing also to suffer the consequences and the losses it loves to cast upon the players when all is said and done.And to what do you attribute this shift?
Education?
Propaganda?
Browbeating?
Increased tolerance?
Spiritual or intellectual enlightenment?
Increased fear of political incorrectness and the social penalties attendant?
Disgust with liberal government drift towards legitimization of homosexuality?
Resignation that the government won't hold its ground so there's no point resisting any longer?
Lack of organization?
Exhaustion from years of being bombarded with faux political correctness arguments?
Maturing of a new generation of so-called metrosexuals that lacks the same backbone as its predecessors?
The 97% haven't been pushed far enough yet by the 3% to react substantively and collectively?
Biased polling of interpreting or reporting entities trying to jump on the bandwagon in order to be seen backing the trend de jour?
Polling mostly in urban areas with a higher density of Gays and Gay-tolerant folk than the burbs and the farmlands?
Some combination of the above?
A (plurality, if not the majority of) a generation of kids born during the baby boom that managed to resist getting their natural born critical thinking kicked out of them at home, at school, and at church who raised their generations of kids to question, question, question every assumption. They aren't buying into the bullshit that a "loving god" hates everyone that uncle Frank hates.
Good reading.. wow!I thought you wanted to promote the stability of our society?
You don't do that by providing a loophole in marriage for people to access orphaned kids who as a cultural-whole have elevated a child sex predator as their "sexual poster boy" for their "civil rights movement".
You DO realize what the Harvey Milk Cult will do the moment they get nationwide marriage don't you? They will insist that anyone preventing them from adopting orphaned kids is "a bigot/homophobe/hater etc." and they will sue and win because they've gotten the golden stamp of federal approval for their religion via marriage..
Have you read the biography of Harvey Milk? His biography reads like Jerry Sandusky's indictment file. If I was an attorney for people's rights to determine parameters for marriage in their respective state, I'd just slap a copy of "The Mayor of Castro Street; The Life and Times of Harvey Milk", a copy of the California law requiring kids in public schools to celebrate his political/sexual "achievements" and a Harvey Milk US postage stamp on the desk in front of each Justice and speak to the Court saying "Your Honor's, I rest my case". Then I'd zip up my briefcase, straighten my tie and walk right out of the courtroom.
If they could at that point, do a sweeping federal blessing on gay marriage and strip the rights of each state to protect their custodial orphans from this child-diddler cult, then there is no point in keeping the CAPTA laws in place. They should just save time and repeal them at the same time and all laws in each state protecting children from sexual predators.
It's very very very unfortunate for the LGBT culture club that they choose a child-sodomizer for their civil rights icon. And it's even more unfortunate that they, in spite of knowing this about him, continue to elevate him publicly as their representative. He will be their undoing. Or rather, they will be their own undoing. Get it?
This is indeed great news to hear. I am glad the SCOTUS stepped in and overruled a radical judge's ruling. Gay marriage should not be tolerated in the United States since it is a abomination. What we all should be promoting is the traditional marriage between man and woman. This is a win for moral family values and common decency.
Supreme Court puts gay marriage on hold in Utah | Fox News
The Supreme Court on Monday put gay marriage on hold in Utah, giving the state time to appeal a federal judge's ruling against Utah's same-sex marriage ban.
The court issued a brief order Monday blocking any new same-sex unions in the state. The ruling comes after a Dec. 20 ruling by U.S. District Judge Robert Shelby that the state's ban on same-sex marriage violates gay and lesbian couples' constitutional rights.
did you read it? Take note that the courts decision has nothing to do with "morals" or religious beliefs. It is concerned with its ability to enforce some state laws.
So I dont see this as a moral victory.,
did you read it? Take note that the courts decision has nothing to do with "morals" or religious beliefs. It is concerned with its ability to enforce some state laws.
So I dont see this as a moral victory.,
"Some state laws"? You mean like the law Utah voted in that defines marriage as between a man and a woman? That law?
Because the identical argument was used by California Clerks who were alarmed they had to defy their state law to placate rogue public officials under threat of termination if they didn't do so. Their pleas for a stay and appeal were immediately and unceremoniously denied.
This is going to be very problematic for the Utah case and may have ramifications for Calfornia as well.
"Some state laws"...indeed.... Like Prop 8 say?
Gay marriage is inevitable. And only religious progressives believe in Government controlling our sex lives as marriage. Marriage is a Government issue for tax reasons only, get rid of the deductions and taxes and there is no reason for Government to be involved in a religious matter.
As Utah's 2/3rds majority squares off with gays, the matter will be a clear and concise freedom of religion in the 1st vs a very longshot hopeful "equality" stab at the 14th.
I say, gays will fail at the 14th since they are behavioral, not a "race" and therefore subject to local laws and customs.
I didn't say that. Gays are the ones famous for saying "this is a matter of formality, it's in the bag/inevitable so get used to it". What I am saying is that gays need to pull off the rose colored glasses as to the weight of facts in Harvey Milk vs Utah...
