BREAKING:Obama says he would veto bill letting you keep your present health care plan

[OODA_Loop]

We can now let people keep their plans after all...Obama says that's fine.
Obama now decrees these plans as acceptable.
But then says Republicans pushing to allow people to get these same plans are not acceptable.

Can someone explain just what the fuck Obama is doing?

Obama hasn't vetoed anything so what needs to be explained?

Obama hasn't vetoed because he just promoted what he said he would veto.

Leadership at its finest

 

[Derideo_Te]

This bill doesn't just let people stay on their pre-ACA policies, it also lets the insurance companies keep selling those policies to new customers.

Another classic boneheaded overreach by the GOP.

I said it before and I will say it again: The republican House voted 41 times to repeal ACA and now, SUDDENLY, they are coming up with a plan to save ACA. Does that make even the tiniest bit of sense?
Plleeeaaaasssssseeeee!!!!!!! Anyone who believes the republican plan is a serious plan that will benefit ACA and President Obama has a serious problem with reality!!!!! Further, anyone who believes the republican plan has a chance of passing should start looking out for men in white uniforms who are carrying big butterfly nets. No one, and I mean NO ONE, tries to kill a bill for 3 1/2 years and then suddenly decides to come to the rescue and save what they have been trying to kill.

I don't think many of you appreciate the one most important reason to oppose ACA.

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over, WE THE PEOPLE.

July 08, 2012 12:00 am • By Doug Ross,

The Affordable Care Act consists primarily of taking away many of our liberties by advocating health care for the less fortunate.

The government does not possess the authority to require an individual to purchase health insurance, so why try trick the uniformed into thinking the government knows what is best for them?

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over a large market and the welfare of those people. As more companies drop their health insurance plans, those individuals will be required to join a government-controlled health plan and be subservient to that ideology.

This is just what the socialistic president wants — more people dependent on government and therefore more control over those individual lives. Again, just smoke and mirrors. Watch this hand while I steal your liberties.

— Jack Jaros, Whiting

Affordable Care Act is about government control

Still waiting for the extreme right to explain how a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people is somehow in control "over" the people!

 

[Redfish]

This bill doesn't just let people stay on their pre-ACA policies, it also lets the insurance companies keep selling those policies to new customers.

Another classic boneheaded overreach by the GOP.

Right, how awful of congress to do something that the people need and want.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The role out has been terrible but the concept is not bad at all, and the narrative so far has proved this out.

We have had social market regulatory democracy for more than 100 years, and a small bunch of TeaPs are not going to change that at all.

The health care fact of our lives is here to stay.

Yes. What could possibly be more important than the "narrative".
I googled "social market regulatory democracy".....You made that up...
When market based concepts and the open marketplace are mentioned, why is ti you get so frightened?
Fear of the unknown? Fear of not having someone there to explain it you? Fear of making the wrong choice? The need to have an overlord take care of you?

You are afraid of the unknown. "social market regulatory democracy" is an excellent descriptor of the developing market system in the last hundred years, one responsible to the American consumer. ACA, no matter how modified, is not going away.

Yes..I fear the black hole of financial and economic instability which is the byproduct of Obamacare.
Hang it up jake. This thing is a piece of shit. It's so bad all but the most staunch Obama supporters are running from it.
BTW...."excellent descriptor"?....Stop patting yourself on the back.
Nobody cares. Just print it out and hang it on your wall.
I must know..What is your interest here? Why are you so entrenched with ACA?

 

[Redfish]

I said it before and I will say it again: The republican House voted 41 times to repeal ACA and now, SUDDENLY, they are coming up with a plan to save ACA. Does that make even the tiniest bit of sense?
Plleeeaaaasssssseeeee!!!!!!! Anyone who believes the republican plan is a serious plan that will benefit ACA and President Obama has a serious problem with reality!!!!! Further, anyone who believes the republican plan has a chance of passing should start looking out for men in white uniforms who are carrying big butterfly nets. No one, and I mean NO ONE, tries to kill a bill for 3 1/2 years and then suddenly decides to come to the rescue and save what they have been trying to kill.

I don't think many of you appreciate the one most important reason to oppose ACA.

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over, WE THE PEOPLE.

July 08, 2012 12:00 am • By Doug Ross,

The Affordable Care Act consists primarily of taking away many of our liberties by advocating health care for the less fortunate.

The government does not possess the authority to require an individual to purchase health insurance, so why try trick the uniformed into thinking the government knows what is best for them?

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over a large market and the welfare of those people. As more companies drop their health insurance plans, those individuals will be required to join a government-controlled health plan and be subservient to that ideology.

This is just what the socialistic president wants — more people dependent on government and therefore more control over those individual lives. Again, just smoke and mirrors. Watch this hand while I steal your liberties.

— Jack Jaros, Whiting

Affordable Care Act is about government control

Still waiting for the extreme right to explain how a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people is somehow in control "over" the people!

its been explained probably 100 times. but in simple terms: ACA was not BY the people or FOR the people and its vote was not OF the people.

ACA was passed by one party with no discussion, debate, review, public chance to read, or any open discussion. It was BY the dems, FOR the dems, and OF the dems.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I said it before and I will say it again: The republican House voted 41 times to repeal ACA and now, SUDDENLY, they are coming up with a plan to save ACA. Does that make even the tiniest bit of sense?
Plleeeaaaasssssseeeee!!!!!!! Anyone who believes the republican plan is a serious plan that will benefit ACA and President Obama has a serious problem with reality!!!!! Further, anyone who believes the republican plan has a chance of passing should start looking out for men in white uniforms who are carrying big butterfly nets. No one, and I mean NO ONE, tries to kill a bill for 3 1/2 years and then suddenly decides to come to the rescue and save what they have been trying to kill.

I don't think many of you appreciate the one most important reason to oppose ACA.

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over, WE THE PEOPLE.

July 08, 2012 12:00 am • By Doug Ross,

The Affordable Care Act consists primarily of taking away many of our liberties by advocating health care for the less fortunate.

The government does not possess the authority to require an individual to purchase health insurance, so why try trick the uniformed into thinking the government knows what is best for them?

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over a large market and the welfare of those people. As more companies drop their health insurance plans, those individuals will be required to join a government-controlled health plan and be subservient to that ideology.

This is just what the socialistic president wants — more people dependent on government and therefore more control over those individual lives. Again, just smoke and mirrors. Watch this hand while I steal your liberties.

— Jack Jaros, Whiting

Affordable Care Act is about government control

Still waiting for the extreme right to explain how a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people is somehow in control "over" the people!

The 'extreme right' is not speaking here. This is the majority of Americans who are doing the talking.
Of course to people like you, anything not liberal is viewed as 'the extreme right'...it's how you get through your cornflakes without throwing up.
I would be willing to wager you believe cars should no longer be equipped with right turn signals.

 

[Redfish]

Yes. What could possibly be more important than the "narrative".
I googled "social market regulatory democracy".....You made that up...
When market based concepts and the open marketplace are mentioned, why is ti you get so frightened?
Fear of the unknown? Fear of not having someone there to explain it you? Fear of making the wrong choice? The need to have an overlord take care of you?

You are afraid of the unknown. "social market regulatory democracy" is an excellent descriptor of the developing market system in the last hundred years, one responsible to the American consumer. ACA, no matter how modified, is not going away.

Yes..I fear the black hole of financial and economic instability which is the byproduct of Obamacare.
Hang it up jake. This thing is a piece of shit. It's so bad all but the most staunch Obama supporters are running from it.
BTW...."excellent descriptor"?....Stop patting yourself on the back.
Nobody cares. Just print it out and hang it on your wall.
I must know..What is your interest here? Why are you so entrenched with ACA?

Jake is on this message board for one purpose, to repeat dem/lib talking points 24/7/365. He is not worth your typing effort. Ignore him.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You are afraid of the unknown. "social market regulatory democracy" is an excellent descriptor of the developing market system in the last hundred years, one responsible to the American consumer. ACA, no matter how modified, is not going away.

Yes..I fear the black hole of financial and economic instability which is the byproduct of Obamacare.
Hang it up jake. This thing is a piece of shit. It's so bad all but the most staunch Obama supporters are running from it.
BTW...."excellent descriptor"?....Stop patting yourself on the back.
Nobody cares. Just print it out and hang it on your wall.
I must know..What is your interest here? Why are you so entrenched with ACA?

Jake is on this message board for one purpose, to repeat dem/lib talking points 24/7/365. He is not worth your typing effort. Ignore him.

Come on now...I have had the hook in that fish's mouth for quite some time. I have no intention of boating the jake. Just waiting for his swim bladder to explode.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nope....This episode in US history is a great learning experience. That lesson is that government cannot manipulate the marketplace without creating catastrophe.

The lesson is the marketplace will not be allowed to create a four-fold crippler on the economy.

A reformed ACA is here to stay, the stockholders are going to have accept that, and the mainstream of both parties are going to learn to work together.

ACA is NOT the answer. The law is a pile of garbage. The results have proved this out.
Government must NOT interfere beyond its obligation to regulate from the outside looking in.

The exchanges are the government regulating from the outside looking in to use your cliche. Private insurance companies remain the primary vehicle for the payment of healthcare.

That is in fact the reason ACA was not the answer.

 

[paperview]

I don't think many of you appreciate the one most important reason to oppose ACA.

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over, WE THE PEOPLE.



Affordable Care Act is about government control

Still waiting for the extreme right to explain how a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people is somehow in control "over" the people!

its been explained probably 100 times. but in simple terms: ACA was not BY the people or FOR the people and its vote was not OF the people.

ACA was passed by one party with no discussion, debate, review, public chance to read, or any open discussion. It was BY the dems, FOR the dems, and OF the dems.

...and the 2012 elections didn't happen either.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Jake is on this message board for one purpose, to repeat dem/lib talking points 24/7/365. He is not worth your typing effort. Ignore him.

As opposed to what? You? You who are here primarily to make comments like the above in lieu of cogent arguments?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are afraid of the unknown. "social market regulatory democracy" is an excellent descriptor of the developing market system in the last hundred years, one responsible to the American consumer. ACA, no matter how modified, is not going away.

Yes..I fear the black hole of financial and economic instability which is the byproduct of Obamacare.
Hang it up jake. This thing is a piece of shit. It's so bad all but the most staunch Obama supporters are running from it.
BTW...."excellent descriptor"?....Stop patting yourself on the back.
Nobody cares. Just print it out and hang it on your wall.
I must know..What is your interest here? Why are you so entrenched with ACA?

Jake is on this message board for one purpose, to repeat dem/lib talking points 24/7/365. He is not worth your typing effort. Ignore him.

I am on this board to clean up my GOP of those with far right radical reactionary agendas.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I don't think many of you appreciate the one most important reason to oppose ACA.

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over, WE THE PEOPLE.



Affordable Care Act is about government control

Still waiting for the extreme right to explain how a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people is somehow in control "over" the people!

its been explained probably 100 times. but in simple terms: ACA was not BY the people or FOR the people and its vote was not OF the people.

ACA was passed by one party with no discussion, debate, review, public chance to read, or any open discussion. It was BY the dems, FOR the dems, and OF the dems.

So if the Republicans won the presidency and the Senate and held the House in the future,

and then repealed Obamacare with a straight party line vote...

...you'd be on here saying that such a repeal would just be BY the GOP, FOR the GOP, and OF the GOP?

That would be your condemnation of that repeal, and argument as to why it shouldn't have happened?

lol, no it wouldn't. You're full of shit.

 

[JakeStarkey]

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Jake is on this message board for one purpose, to repeat dem/lib talking points 24/7/365. He is not worth your typing effort. Ignore him.

As opposed to what? You? You who are here primarily to make comments like the above in lieu of cogent arguments?

Redfish simply cannot affirmatively defend his radical reactionary agenda. He is fun to toy with.

 

[Dude111]

One day after announcing he "might" change Obamacare to let people keep their present health care plans, Senators are revealing that he threatened to veto a bill to do just that

Of course he is!!!

He is having a tantrum like 5yos do when they dont get thier way...... HE WANTS TO FORCE EVERYONE INTO HIS PLAN!! (Its the start of the NWO)

 

[Derideo_Te]

I don't think many of you appreciate the one most important reason to oppose ACA.

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over, WE THE PEOPLE.



Affordable Care Act is about government control

Still waiting for the extreme right to explain how a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people is somehow in control "over" the people!

The 'extreme right' is not speaking here. This is the majority of Americans who are doing the talking.
Of course to people like you, anything not liberal is viewed as 'the extreme right'...it's how you get through your cornflakes without throwing up.
I would be willing to wager you believe cars should no longer be equipped with right turn signals.

The extreme right does not speak for a majority of the people.

 

[Redfish]

Still waiting for the extreme right to explain how a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people is somehow in control "over" the people!

its been explained probably 100 times. but in simple terms: ACA was not BY the people or FOR the people and its vote was not OF the people.

ACA was passed by one party with no discussion, debate, review, public chance to read, or any open discussion. It was BY the dems, FOR the dems, and OF the dems.

...and the 2012 elections didn't happen either.

sure they did, so did 2010.

 

[Redfish]

Still waiting for the extreme right to explain how a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people is somehow in control "over" the people!

The 'extreme right' is not speaking here. This is the majority of Americans who are doing the talking.
Of course to people like you, anything not liberal is viewed as 'the extreme right'...it's how you get through your cornflakes without throwing up.
I would be willing to wager you believe cars should no longer be equipped with right turn signals.

The extreme right does not speak for a majority of the people.

Nor does the extreme left, whats your point?

 

[thereisnospoon]

The lesson is the marketplace will not be allowed to create a four-fold crippler on the economy.

A reformed ACA is here to stay, the stockholders are going to have accept that, and the mainstream of both parties are going to learn to work together.

ACA is NOT the answer. The law is a pile of garbage. The results have proved this out.
Government must NOT interfere beyond its obligation to regulate from the outside looking in.

The exchanges are the government regulating from the outside looking in to use your cliche. Private insurance companies remain the primary vehicle for the payment of healthcare.

That is in fact the reason ACA was not the answer.

How can this be 'arms length' regulation when the terms and conditions of the law are mandatory participation, price and rate setting BY the government's decree?
And actually the majority of the 106,000 enrolled in the plan most have signed up through Medicaid. Not the market place exchange of health insurance.
Why is it you so vehemently defend Obamacare? What's in it for you?
Everyone has an ulterior motive for something they want. It's in our genetic code.

 

[Antares]

Harry Reid & Obama hate people keeping the insurance plan they like! Spread the news!

The GOP Bill on ACA removed core consumer protections.

That's why realistic people don't like it.

If the core consumer protections are not in the GOP bill, let the Senate pass it and then send it to Obama.

He will veto it.

Then he will go on TV that night on all major stations and explain why the far reactionary right of 20% hates the other 80% of America.

...and Progressive morons like yourself will believe him, the rest of American's are onto the nonsense of this asshole.