Breaking: Obama To Address Nation Tonight. Will Bypass Congress & Invoke 14th Amendmt

[JakeStarkey]

Dr. House continues to project his inner hate against any authority figure.

 

[Foxfyre]

well the speech is over he didn't do anything but reiterate that a) he is now on the left of harry reid and b) evoked more class warfare,

It was a campaign speech aimed at wishy washy independents.

And incredibly cynical...but he does get 10 Points For Consistency on that front.

Most of it sounded almost verbatim to his Friday speech, sigh. Starting off with 'blame Bush' and then magnanimously saying that both parties created the problem and both would have to solve it followed by blaming the Republicans for everything. And then laying out a plan so vague and with zero specifics that wouldn't have made a good clue in a kid's detective game.

But Speaker Boehner wasn't a hell of a lot better in his rebuttal and didn't make me proud.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Is it true Obama quoted Ronnie?

 

[Annie]

Is it true Obama quoted Ronnie?

Multiple times, just like in his USA Today piece. I think he's given up on being Lincoln or FDR. He really is Carter writ large.

 

[Annie]

well the speech is over he didn't do anything but reiterate that a) he is now on the left of harry reid and b) evoked more class warfare,

It was a campaign speech aimed at wishy washy independents.

And incredibly cynical...but he does get 10 Points For Consistency on that front.

Most of it sounded almost verbatim to his Friday speech, sigh. Starting off with 'blame Bush' and then magnanimously saying that both parties created the problem and both would have to solve it followed by blaming the Republicans for everything. And then laying out a plan so vague and with zero specifics that wouldn't have made a good clue in a kid's detective game.

But Speaker Boehner wasn't a hell of a lot better in his rebuttal and didn't make me proud.

I thought Boehner's speech was a hell of a lot better, I read both texts:

The Full Text of Speaker Boehner's National Address - - NationalJournal.com

Good evening. I’m John Boehner. I serve as Speaker of the whole House -- of the members of both parties that you elect. These are difficult times in the life of our nation. Millions are looking for work, have been for some time, and the spending binge going on in Washington is a big part of the reason why.

Before I served in Congress, I ran a small business in Ohio. I was amazed at how different Washington DC operated than every business in America. Where most American business make the hard choices to pay their bills and live within their means, in Washington more spending and more debt is business as usual.

I’ve got news for Washington – those days are over.

President Obama came to Congress in January and requested business as usual -- yet another routine increase in the national debt limit -- we in the House said 'not so fast.’ Here was the president, asking for the largest debt increase in American history, on the heels of the largest spending binge in American history.

Here's what we got for that spending binge: a massive health care bill that most Americans never asked for. A 'stimulus' bill that was more effective in producing material for late-night comedians than it was in producing jobs. And a national debt that has gotten so out of hand it has sparked a crisis without precedent in my lifetime or yours.

The United States cannot default on its debt obligations. The jobs and savings of too many Americans are at stake.

What we told the president in January was this: the American people will not accept an increase in the debt limit without significant spending cuts and reforms.

And over the last six months, we’ve done our best to convince the president to partner with us to do something dramatic to change the fiscal trajectory of our country, something that will boost confidence in our economy, renew a measure of faith in our government, and help small businesses get back on track.

Last week, the House passed such a plan, and with bipartisan support. It’s called the ‘Cut, Cap, and Balance’ Act. It CUTS and CAPS government spending and paves the way for a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution, which we believe is the best way to stop Washington from spending money it doesn’t have. Before we even passed the bill in the House, the President said he would veto it.

I want you to know I made a sincere effort to work with the president to identify a path forward that would implement the principles of Cut, Cap, & Balance in a manner that could secure bipartisan support and be signed into law. I gave it my all.

Unfortunately, the president would not take yes for an answer. Even when we thought we might be close on an agreement, the president’s demands changed.

The president has often said we need a 'balanced' approach -- which in Washington means: we spend more. . .you pay more. Having run a small business, I know those tax increases will destroy jobs.

The president is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs. As the father of two daughters, I know these programs won’t be there for them and their kids unless significant action is taken now.

The sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today. That is just not going to happen.

You see, there is no stalemate in Congress. The House has passed a bill to raise the debt limit with bipartisan support. And this week, while the Senate is struggling to pass a bill filled with phony accounting and Washington gimmicks, we will pass another bill – one that was developed with the support of the bipartisan leadership of the U.S. Senate.

Obviously, I expect that bill can and will pass the Senate, and be sent to the President for his signature. If the President signs it, the ‘crisis’ atmosphere he has created will simply disappear. The debt limit will be raised. Spending will be cut by more than one trillion dollars, and a serious, bipartisan committee of the Congress will begin the hard but necessary work of dealing with the tough challenges our nation faces.

The individuals doing this work will not be outsiders, but elected representatives of the people, doing the job they were elected to do as outlined in the Constitution. Those decisions should be made based on how they will affect people who are struggling to get a job, not how they affect some politician’s chances of getting reelected.

This debate isn't about President Obama and House Republicans … it isn't about Congress and the White House … it's about what’s standing between the American people and the future we seek for ourselves and our families.

You know, I’ve always believed, the bigger government, the smaller the people. And right now, we have a government so big and so expensive it’s sapping the drive of our people and keeping our economy from running at full capacity.

The solution to this crisis is not complicated: if you’re spending more money than you’re taking in, you need to spend less of it,

There is no symptom of big government more menacing than our debt. Break its grip, and we begin to liberate our economy and our future.

We are up to the task, and I hope President Obama will join us in this work.

God bless you and your families, and God bless America.

 

[uscitizen]

Breaking News. This just in.


Speaker John Boehner will go on National TV In A Rebuttal Speech Right After The Presidents Speech

Cry me a river Johnny boy.

 

[Modbert]

This thread sure got a lot more quiet after his speech.

 

[Modbert]

Once again, the President is willing to compromise everything. And once again, the Republicans want more.

Boehner wants to play politics with the debt ceiling six months down the road. But I'm sure the usual people on USMB will come out in full force for him and his plan.

 

[uscitizen]

And they already did, which is what this is all about. What part of that can't you grasp?

What part can not you grasp that the 14th provides no power to the President? It regulates enforcement of said Amendment TO THE CONGRESS. Any attempt by the President to usurp powers given by the Constitution to Congress IS High Crimes and misdemeanors. His very actions would prove the case.

Yes, we need a good impeachment while we are engaged in two wars and the economy teeters on the brink of collapse. Go for it.............LOL!

It is the main goal of the republicans.
Everything else is secondary.

 

[Foxfyre]

It was a campaign speech aimed at wishy washy independents.

And incredibly cynical...but he does get 10 Points For Consistency on that front.

Most of it sounded almost verbatim to his Friday speech, sigh. Starting off with 'blame Bush' and then magnanimously saying that both parties created the problem and both would have to solve it followed by blaming the Republicans for everything. And then laying out a plan so vague and with zero specifics that wouldn't have made a good clue in a kid's detective game.

But Speaker Boehner wasn't a hell of a lot better in his rebuttal and didn't make me proud.

I thought Boehner's speech was a hell of a lot better, I read both texts:

The Full Text of Speaker Boehner's National Address - - NationalJournal.com

Good evening. I’m John Boehner. I serve as Speaker of the whole House -- of the members of both parties that you elect. These are difficult times in the life of our nation. Millions are looking for work, have been for some time, and the spending binge going on in Washington is a big part of the reason why.

Before I served in Congress, I ran a small business in Ohio. I was amazed at how different Washington DC operated than every business in America. Where most American business make the hard choices to pay their bills and live within their means, in Washington more spending and more debt is business as usual.

I’ve got news for Washington – those days are over.

President Obama came to Congress in January and requested business as usual -- yet another routine increase in the national debt limit -- we in the House said 'not so fast.’ Here was the president, asking for the largest debt increase in American history, on the heels of the largest spending binge in American history.

Here's what we got for that spending binge: a massive health care bill that most Americans never asked for. A 'stimulus' bill that was more effective in producing material for late-night comedians than it was in producing jobs. And a national debt that has gotten so out of hand it has sparked a crisis without precedent in my lifetime or yours.

The United States cannot default on its debt obligations. The jobs and savings of too many Americans are at stake.

What we told the president in January was this: the American people will not accept an increase in the debt limit without significant spending cuts and reforms.

And over the last six months, we’ve done our best to convince the president to partner with us to do something dramatic to change the fiscal trajectory of our country, something that will boost confidence in our economy, renew a measure of faith in our government, and help small businesses get back on track.

Last week, the House passed such a plan, and with bipartisan support. It’s called the ‘Cut, Cap, and Balance’ Act. It CUTS and CAPS government spending and paves the way for a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution, which we believe is the best way to stop Washington from spending money it doesn’t have. Before we even passed the bill in the House, the President said he would veto it.

I want you to know I made a sincere effort to work with the president to identify a path forward that would implement the principles of Cut, Cap, & Balance in a manner that could secure bipartisan support and be signed into law. I gave it my all.

Unfortunately, the president would not take yes for an answer. Even when we thought we might be close on an agreement, the president’s demands changed.

The president has often said we need a 'balanced' approach -- which in Washington means: we spend more. . .you pay more. Having run a small business, I know those tax increases will destroy jobs.

The president is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs. As the father of two daughters, I know these programs won’t be there for them and their kids unless significant action is taken now.

The sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today. That is just not going to happen.

You see, there is no stalemate in Congress. The House has passed a bill to raise the debt limit with bipartisan support. And this week, while the Senate is struggling to pass a bill filled with phony accounting and Washington gimmicks, we will pass another bill – one that was developed with the support of the bipartisan leadership of the U.S. Senate.

Obviously, I expect that bill can and will pass the Senate, and be sent to the President for his signature. If the President signs it, the ‘crisis’ atmosphere he has created will simply disappear. The debt limit will be raised. Spending will be cut by more than one trillion dollars, and a serious, bipartisan committee of the Congress will begin the hard but necessary work of dealing with the tough challenges our nation faces.

The individuals doing this work will not be outsiders, but elected representatives of the people, doing the job they were elected to do as outlined in the Constitution. Those decisions should be made based on how they will affect people who are struggling to get a job, not how they affect some politician’s chances of getting reelected.

This debate isn't about President Obama and House Republicans … it isn't about Congress and the White House … it's about what’s standing between the American people and the future we seek for ourselves and our families.

You know, I’ve always believed, the bigger government, the smaller the people. And right now, we have a government so big and so expensive it’s sapping the drive of our people and keeping our economy from running at full capacity.

The solution to this crisis is not complicated: if you’re spending more money than you’re taking in, you need to spend less of it,

There is no symptom of big government more menacing than our debt. Break its grip, and we begin to liberate our economy and our future.

We are up to the task, and I hope President Obama will join us in this work.

God bless you and your families, and God bless America.

It was better in that I can agree with what he is saying more than I can agree with what the President is saying. But like Obama's speech came across, I can't see that it was any more than campaign like rhetoric strong on ideology and great sounding phrases, and devoid of specifics that might give us hope that they know what they are doing. I wanted him to give me something to stand up and cheer for. He didn't.

At least he had the guts to call out the Presdident. If the President had done his job, we wouldn't be in this mess now.

 

[Annie]

Most of it sounded almost verbatim to his Friday speech, sigh. Starting off with 'blame Bush' and then magnanimously saying that both parties created the problem and both would have to solve it followed by blaming the Republicans for everything. And then laying out a plan so vague and with zero specifics that wouldn't have made a good clue in a kid's detective game.

But Speaker Boehner wasn't a hell of a lot better in his rebuttal and didn't make me proud.

I thought Boehner's speech was a hell of a lot better, I read both texts:

The Full Text of Speaker Boehner's National Address - - NationalJournal.com

Good evening. I’m John Boehner. I serve as Speaker of the whole House -- of the members of both parties that you elect. These are difficult times in the life of our nation. Millions are looking for work, have been for some time, and the spending binge going on in Washington is a big part of the reason why.

Before I served in Congress, I ran a small business in Ohio. I was amazed at how different Washington DC operated than every business in America. Where most American business make the hard choices to pay their bills and live within their means, in Washington more spending and more debt is business as usual.

I’ve got news for Washington – those days are over.

President Obama came to Congress in January and requested business as usual -- yet another routine increase in the national debt limit -- we in the House said 'not so fast.’ Here was the president, asking for the largest debt increase in American history, on the heels of the largest spending binge in American history.

Here's what we got for that spending binge: a massive health care bill that most Americans never asked for. A 'stimulus' bill that was more effective in producing material for late-night comedians than it was in producing jobs. And a national debt that has gotten so out of hand it has sparked a crisis without precedent in my lifetime or yours.

The United States cannot default on its debt obligations. The jobs and savings of too many Americans are at stake.

What we told the president in January was this: the American people will not accept an increase in the debt limit without significant spending cuts and reforms.

And over the last six months, we’ve done our best to convince the president to partner with us to do something dramatic to change the fiscal trajectory of our country, something that will boost confidence in our economy, renew a measure of faith in our government, and help small businesses get back on track.

Last week, the House passed such a plan, and with bipartisan support. It’s called the ‘Cut, Cap, and Balance’ Act. It CUTS and CAPS government spending and paves the way for a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution, which we believe is the best way to stop Washington from spending money it doesn’t have. Before we even passed the bill in the House, the President said he would veto it.

I want you to know I made a sincere effort to work with the president to identify a path forward that would implement the principles of Cut, Cap, & Balance in a manner that could secure bipartisan support and be signed into law. I gave it my all.

Unfortunately, the president would not take yes for an answer. Even when we thought we might be close on an agreement, the president’s demands changed.

The president has often said we need a 'balanced' approach -- which in Washington means: we spend more. . .you pay more. Having run a small business, I know those tax increases will destroy jobs.

The president is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs. As the father of two daughters, I know these programs won’t be there for them and their kids unless significant action is taken now.

The sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today. That is just not going to happen.

You see, there is no stalemate in Congress. The House has passed a bill to raise the debt limit with bipartisan support. And this week, while the Senate is struggling to pass a bill filled with phony accounting and Washington gimmicks, we will pass another bill – one that was developed with the support of the bipartisan leadership of the U.S. Senate.

Obviously, I expect that bill can and will pass the Senate, and be sent to the President for his signature. If the President signs it, the ‘crisis’ atmosphere he has created will simply disappear. The debt limit will be raised. Spending will be cut by more than one trillion dollars, and a serious, bipartisan committee of the Congress will begin the hard but necessary work of dealing with the tough challenges our nation faces.

The individuals doing this work will not be outsiders, but elected representatives of the people, doing the job they were elected to do as outlined in the Constitution. Those decisions should be made based on how they will affect people who are struggling to get a job, not how they affect some politician’s chances of getting reelected.

This debate isn't about President Obama and House Republicans … it isn't about Congress and the White House … it's about what’s standing between the American people and the future we seek for ourselves and our families.

You know, I’ve always believed, the bigger government, the smaller the people. And right now, we have a government so big and so expensive it’s sapping the drive of our people and keeping our economy from running at full capacity.

The solution to this crisis is not complicated: if you’re spending more money than you’re taking in, you need to spend less of it,

There is no symptom of big government more menacing than our debt. Break its grip, and we begin to liberate our economy and our future.

We are up to the task, and I hope President Obama will join us in this work.

God bless you and your families, and God bless America.

It was better in that I can agree with what he is saying more than I can agree with what the President is saying. But like Obama's speech came across, I can't see that it was any more than campaign like rhetoric strong on ideology and great sounding phrases, and devoid of specifics that might give us hope that they know what they are doing. I wanted him to give me something to stand up and cheer for. He didn't.

At least he had the guts to call out the Presdident. If the President had done his job, we wouldn't be in this mess now.

He did get into some specifics, hours earlier. During 'Prime Time' The president's choice, the rebuttal is time limited. One thing that has become clear in the past 5 weeks, it's only been the conservatives putting forth plans with details, that the Senate won't hear and the President says he'll veto.

Also over the past month, every poll that gets into the issues of what should be done regarding spending polls the same: Cut spending, drastically. When given a choice as Gallup did, the vast majority say to cut with no tax increase or small increases; biggest factor, cut spending.

 

[Dr Grump]

The problem is there is no compromise. Repubs don't want to increase taxes, Dems don't want to cut spending. Surely, there can be a tax increase and a cut to spending.

Annie
As for your poll, of course people don't want tax increases. Probably the most redundant question on any poll like this. It's like saying to a guy, "Yes or no, would you like your balls squeezed in a vice?"...

 

[GWV5903]

Back his ASS into the corner and watch him squirm Boehner...

The thought that we need to give this narcissistic ego a debt increase is suicidal...

It's amazing what a addict will continue to do if you do not deny them more, it is very simple folks, we can't continue to spend more than we take in...

 

[Modbert]

Also over the past month, every poll that gets into the issues of what should be done regarding spending polls the same: Cut spending, drastically. When given a choice as Gallup did, the vast majority say to cut with no tax increase or small increases; biggest factor, cut spending.

How Dishonest. Only 20% according to those polled by Gallup wanted no tax increases whatsoever. The far majority of Americans want some tax increases. The GOP already got their deal anyway in the latest compromise by the Democrats. There's absolutely nothing left for you to complain about when it comes to the Democrats and the debt ceiling.

 

[Annie]

Also over the past month, every poll that gets into the issues of what should be done regarding spending polls the same: Cut spending, drastically. When given a choice as Gallup did, the vast majority say to cut with no tax increase or small increases; biggest factor, cut spending.

How Dishonest. Only 20% according to those polled by Gallup wanted no tax increases whatsoever. The far majority of Americans want some tax increases. The GOP already got their deal anyway in the latest compromise by the Democrats. There's absolutely nothing left for you to complain about when it comes to the Democrats and the debt ceiling.

Read what I posted. Much more on the point than 80% want tax increases on the wealthy.

 

[Modbert]

Read what I posted. Much more on the point than 80% want tax increases on the wealthy.

You mean the 400 Wealthiest Americans who pay an effective tax rate of 18%? Those people? Or the people making $10 million a year who pay an effective tax rate of 19%?

 

[Annie]

Read what I posted. Much more on the point than 80% want tax increases on the wealthy.

You mean the 400 Wealthiest Americans who pay an effective tax rate of 18%? Those people? Or the people making $10 million a year who pay an effective tax rate of 19%?

and those families making $250k or even lower, jointly.

 

[saveliberty]

Reasons Obama wasn't specific about solving the debt crisis:

1. It would require numbers that can be proven true or false.
2. It would define what he wants and his ability to achieve those results.
3. It would reveal flaws in his thinking.
4. It would take away his ability to say, Americans don't understand the problem/solution.
5. It would take him out of campaign mode.
6. It would mean his advisors would have to show they had experience in their fields.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Two words for you, saveliberty: non sense.

 

[Trajan]

well the speech is over he didn't do anything but reiterate that a) he is now on the left of harry reid and b) evoked more class warfare,

Don't forget that he wants us to call our representatives in DC !

and hey remember , if you make under 250K, your 'safe'


buy that? and I truly have the deed for the Brooklyn bridge.....right here