BREAKING: Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) announces he will not run again...

The proof is in the pudding Doc. Just look at this thread. There is an ideological divide in the Republican party and there is one in the Democratic party as well. One side is going to prevail. The optics of Trump triumphing over the Flakes and the Corkers is another victory over the old guard. You're seeing the same thing in with the Democrats...Feinstein being primaries, calls for Pelosi to step down, Sanders giving Clinton a run for her money...such a threat the DNC had to cheat to quell his insurgency. Things are changing on both sides. Dems are moving farther left and Republicans are moving farther right.

We unexpectedly have all three branches of government, and we aren't getting it done. Time to separate the wheat from the chaff. Flake and Corker are chaff.

If the Democratic party plays it's cards right (which is by no means a guarantee), I think you'll see that any "ideological divide" in the Democratic party is negligible, compared to the damage the Republican party has been dealt by it's own members.
Yes, that much is true. That's why we need to run all the establishment scumbag traitors like Flake out of the party.

Of course. Nothing will help the Republican party win elections quite like shrinking itself into a tiny minority.

What you're saying is that if you lived in Germany in 1932 you would have voted for the Nazis because they were the biggest party at the time.

:lol:

The NSDAP was not the "largest party" in Germany in 1932, just the loudest.

And, ideologically purest. Right up your alley.

It's a shame you guys can't just kill the RINOs, like the Nazis did to the Strasserites. Right?


They really hate anyone that believes differently. the far right aim to be the nazis of the 21st century.
 
Trump did beat Clinton in AZ - but by significantly less of a margin than Romney or McCain beat Obama there.

Clinton got around 100,000 more votes in 2016 than Obama did in 2012. On the other hand, Trump got about 20,000 more votes in 2016 than Romney did in 2012.

How does one less Republican help pass the "Trump Agenda"?

I'll pose the opposite question...what good is one more Republican if that Republican is going to work against you?

Cut your losses if you must, and focus your attention on Missouri, West Virginia and Montana.

Who is this "you" you're speaking of?

Do you believe that the President is owed the support of his party, no matter what?

Flake has voted with the Republican majority on essentially every vote he's ever made in the Senate - and he's voted with Trump 90% of the time since 2016.

But you're willing to trade him for a Democrat, just because he said mean things about Trump?
Your assumption, of course, is that a Democrat will win that seat if Flake isn't running ..... fallacious, at a minimum ... daydreaming, at the most. You need to take a look at the constituency in Arizona.

Well, anything can happen.

But it's undeniable that Ward will have a mich tougher time in the general than Flake would.
Trump did beat Clinton in AZ - but by significantly less of a margin than Romney or McCain beat Obama there.

Clinton got around 100,000 more votes in 2016 than Obama did in 2012. On the other hand, Trump got about 20,000 more votes in 2016 than Romney did in 2012.

How does one less Republican help pass the "Trump Agenda"?

I'll pose the opposite question...what good is one more Republican if that Republican is going to work against you?

Cut your losses if you must, and focus your attention on Missouri, West Virginia and Montana.

Who is this "you" you're speaking of?

Do you believe that the President is owed the support of his party, no matter what?

Flake has voted with the Republican majority on essentially every vote he's ever made in the Senate - and he's voted with Trump 90% of the time since 2016.

But you're willing to trade him for a Democrat, just because he said mean things about Trump?
Your assumption, of course, is that a Democrat will win that seat if Flake isn't running ..... fallacious, at a minimum ... daydreaming, at the most. You need to take a look at the constituency in Arizona.

Well, anything can happen.

But it's undeniable that Ward will have a mich tougher time in the general than Flake would.
That's not true .... she carries 62% of all Republicans .... Flake carries 18%. There are about 22% more Republicans in Arizona than Democrats ... and more Independents than Democrats. In the last election, 88% of Republicans voted for Trump, 47% of Independents voted for Trump, AND 7% of Democrats voted for Trump.

THAT means it is a very Republican state. Ward is a lock. Check the polling here: United States Senate election in Arizona, 2018 - Wikipedia

If Arizona is such a Republican state, how come Trump won it by less than 5%?

You should check your numbers, by the way. Your link says the latest polling puts Flake at 42%, and Ward at 58%.
 
No. Words have meanings.

I know it makes you feel manly and powerful by proxy to believe that he is being "forced" out, but it's just not reality. He is choosing not to run, because he's likely to lose
If he wasn't going to lose would he still retire? answer.....No so he is being forced out by definition. He has a primary opponent he can not beat. If you ask me this is so telling. He is not a fighter, he won't fight for his constituents and he won't even fight for himself...And that is why he is getting beat.

:lol:

Do you not understand what the term "by definition" means?

By definition, being forced out would be expulsion from the Senate. Not choosing not to run again.
 
Right now, on all 3 cable news channels, Sen. Jeff Flake is announcing that he will not run again for office.

Apparently, he's not happy about serving in a screwed up Congress under a president with no leadership qualities. And, he's not just talking about Trump, he's talking about the whole government, from the backbiting and fighting in Congress between the members all the way up to Trump and the way he's doing things.

He really doesn't sound happy about the way Congress and the government has divided itself.

Arizona's Jeff Flake announces he will not seek re-election to U.S. Senate

The bombshell, which Flake, R-Ariz., intended to detail Tuesday afternoon on the Senate floor, will further roil Republican hopes of keeping the party's 52-seat Senate majority in the midterm elections of Trump's first term, when the president's party historically loses seats in Congress.

It also likely will upend the race for Flake's seat.

Flake, one of the Senate's more prominent critics of President Donald Trump, has been struggling in the polls.

He told The Arizona Republic ahead of his announcement that he has become convinced "there may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party."

'Here's the bottom line ...'
Flake said he has not "soured on the Senate" and loves the institution, but that as a traditional, libertarian-leaning conservative Republican he is out of step with today's Trump-dominated GOP.

"This spell will pass, but not by next year," Flake said.

Among Republican primary voters, there's overwhelming support for Trump's positions and "behavior," Flake said, and one of their top concerns is whether a candidate is with the president or against him. While Flake said he is with Trump on some issues, on other issues he is not. And Trump definitely views him as a foe, having denounced Flake publicly and called him "toxic" on Twitter.

"Here's the bottom line: The path that I would have to travel to get the Republican nomination is a path I'm not willing to take, and that I can't in good conscience take," Flake told The Republic in a telephone interview. "It would require me to believe in positions I don't hold on such issues as trade and immigration and it would require me to condone behavior that I cannot condone."
I guess that the swamp is draining itself.
 
Do you not understand what the term "by definition" means?

By definition, being forced out would be expulsion from the Senate. Not choosing not to run again
He is being forced to do something against his will. He of course is not being expelled but he is being forced to retire by a primary opponent that is kicking his swamp dwelling DC establishment ass...seems simple to me Doc... There will be more like him to come. We have just begun to fight. The swamp will be drained.
 
Right now, on all 3 cable news channels, Sen. Jeff Flake is announcing that he will not run again for office.

Apparently, he's not happy about serving in a screwed up Congress under a president with no leadership qualities. And, he's not just talking about Trump, he's talking about the whole government, from the backbiting and fighting in Congress between the members all the way up to Trump and the way he's doing things.

He really doesn't sound happy about the way Congress and the government has divided itself.

Arizona's Jeff Flake announces he will not seek re-election to U.S. Senate

The bombshell, which Flake, R-Ariz., intended to detail Tuesday afternoon on the Senate floor, will further roil Republican hopes of keeping the party's 52-seat Senate majority in the midterm elections of Trump's first term, when the president's party historically loses seats in Congress.

It also likely will upend the race for Flake's seat.

Flake, one of the Senate's more prominent critics of President Donald Trump, has been struggling in the polls.

He told The Arizona Republic ahead of his announcement that he has become convinced "there may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party."

'Here's the bottom line ...'
Flake said he has not "soured on the Senate" and loves the institution, but that as a traditional, libertarian-leaning conservative Republican he is out of step with today's Trump-dominated GOP.

"This spell will pass, but not by next year," Flake said.

Among Republican primary voters, there's overwhelming support for Trump's positions and "behavior," Flake said, and one of their top concerns is whether a candidate is with the president or against him. While Flake said he is with Trump on some issues, on other issues he is not. And Trump definitely views him as a foe, having denounced Flake publicly and called him "toxic" on Twitter.

"Here's the bottom line: The path that I would have to travel to get the Republican nomination is a path I'm not willing to take, and that I can't in good conscience take," Flake told The Republic in a telephone interview. "It would require me to believe in positions I don't hold on such issues as trade and immigration and it would require me to condone behavior that I cannot condone."

Well, did he attempt to change the system, try and push for Proportional Representation? No. So, screw him.
 
Do you not understand what the term "by definition" means?

By definition, being forced out would be expulsion from the Senate. Not choosing not to run again
He is being forced to do something against his will. He of course is not being expelled but he is being forced to retire by a primary opponent that is kicking his swamp dwelling DC establishment ass...seems simple to me Doc... There will be more like him to come. We have just begun to fight. The swamp will be drained.

:lol:

He's not being forced to do anything "against his will".

The election is a year away. Any number of things can change between then and now. His loss in the primary is not the certainty you want it to be.

But he doesn't want to fight. He is choosing not to do so.

I know that you guys really need to frame this as a manly and strong victory for Trump (God knows you haven't had much victory so far), but it's pretty pathetic when you're reduced to arguing that words don't mean what the dictionary says.
 
Right now, on all 3 cable news channels, Sen. Jeff Flake is announcing that he will not run again for office.

Apparently, he's not happy about serving in a screwed up Congress under a president with no leadership qualities. And, he's not just talking about Trump, he's talking about the whole government, from the backbiting and fighting in Congress between the members all the way up to Trump and the way he's doing things.

He really doesn't sound happy about the way Congress and the government has divided itself.

Arizona's Jeff Flake announces he will not seek re-election to U.S. Senate

The bombshell, which Flake, R-Ariz., intended to detail Tuesday afternoon on the Senate floor, will further roil Republican hopes of keeping the party's 52-seat Senate majority in the midterm elections of Trump's first term, when the president's party historically loses seats in Congress.

It also likely will upend the race for Flake's seat.

Flake, one of the Senate's more prominent critics of President Donald Trump, has been struggling in the polls.

He told The Arizona Republic ahead of his announcement that he has become convinced "there may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party."

'Here's the bottom line ...'
Flake said he has not "soured on the Senate" and loves the institution, but that as a traditional, libertarian-leaning conservative Republican he is out of step with today's Trump-dominated GOP.

"This spell will pass, but not by next year," Flake said.

Among Republican primary voters, there's overwhelming support for Trump's positions and "behavior," Flake said, and one of their top concerns is whether a candidate is with the president or against him. While Flake said he is with Trump on some issues, on other issues he is not. And Trump definitely views him as a foe, having denounced Flake publicly and called him "toxic" on Twitter.

"Here's the bottom line: The path that I would have to travel to get the Republican nomination is a path I'm not willing to take, and that I can't in good conscience take," Flake told The Republic in a telephone interview. "It would require me to believe in positions I don't hold on such issues as trade and immigration and it would require me to condone behavior that I cannot condone."


He has no chance at reelection and knows it. A normal will take his place.
 
Do you not understand what the term "by definition" means?

By definition, being forced out would be expulsion from the Senate. Not choosing not to run again
He is being forced to do something against his will. He of course is not being expelled but he is being forced to retire by a primary opponent that is kicking his swamp dwelling DC establishment ass...seems simple to me Doc... There will be more like him to come. We have just begun to fight. The swamp will be drained.

:lol:

He's not being forced to do anything "against his will".

The election is a year away. Any number of things can change between then and now. His loss in the primary is not the certainty you want it to be.

But he doesn't want to fight. He is choosing not to do so.

I know that you guys really need to frame this as a manly and strong victory for Trump (God knows you haven't had much victory so far), but it's pretty pathetic when you're reduced to arguing that words don't mean what the dictionary says.


His loss in the primary was clear enough to him.

The time of you Stalinists is at an end. Turn coat Republicans are being routed, just as you Maoist democrats have been. We normals are retaking our nation. We will once again enforce the bill of rights.
 
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Right now, on all 3 cable news channels, Sen. Jeff Flake is announcing that he will not run again for office.

Apparently, he's not happy about serving in a screwed up Congress under a president with no leadership qualities. And, he's not just talking about Trump, he's talking about the whole government, from the backbiting and fighting in Congress between the members all the way up to Trump and the way he's doing things.

He really doesn't sound happy about the way Congress and the government has divided itself.

Arizona's Jeff Flake announces he will not seek re-election to U.S. Senate

The bombshell, which Flake, R-Ariz., intended to detail Tuesday afternoon on the Senate floor, will further roil Republican hopes of keeping the party's 52-seat Senate majority in the midterm elections of Trump's first term, when the president's party historically loses seats in Congress.

It also likely will upend the race for Flake's seat.

Flake, one of the Senate's more prominent critics of President Donald Trump, has been struggling in the polls.

He told The Arizona Republic ahead of his announcement that he has become convinced "there may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party."

'Here's the bottom line ...'
Flake said he has not "soured on the Senate" and loves the institution, but that as a traditional, libertarian-leaning conservative Republican he is out of step with today's Trump-dominated GOP.

"This spell will pass, but not by next year," Flake said.

Among Republican primary voters, there's overwhelming support for Trump's positions and "behavior," Flake said, and one of their top concerns is whether a candidate is with the president or against him. While Flake said he is with Trump on some issues, on other issues he is not. And Trump definitely views him as a foe, having denounced Flake publicly and called him "toxic" on Twitter.

"Here's the bottom line: The path that I would have to travel to get the Republican nomination is a path I'm not willing to take, and that I can't in good conscience take," Flake told The Republic in a telephone interview. "It would require me to believe in positions I don't hold on such issues as trade and immigration and it would require me to condone behavior that I cannot condone."


He has no chance at reelection and knows it. A normal will take his place.

:lol:

If you mean a Democrat, almost certainly.

But "normal" is not a word that anyone in their right mind would apply to O'Donnell 2.0.
 
His loss in the primary is not the certainty you want it to be.
He threw in the towel today what are you talking about? the primary is over for him. He quit just like he did after he was elected when he quit on us. He's a freaking loser just like Corker...
 
Do you not understand what the term "by definition" means?

By definition, being forced out would be expulsion from the Senate. Not choosing not to run again
He is being forced to do something against his will. He of course is not being expelled but he is being forced to retire by a primary opponent that is kicking his swamp dwelling DC establishment ass...seems simple to me Doc... There will be more like him to come. We have just begun to fight. The swamp will be drained.

:lol:

He's not being forced to do anything "against his will".

The election is a year away. Any number of things can change between then and now. His loss in the primary is not the certainty you want it to be.

But he doesn't want to fight. He is choosing not to do so.

I know that you guys really need to frame this as a manly and strong victory for Trump (God knows you haven't had much victory so far), but it's pretty pathetic when you're reduced to arguing that words don't mean what the dictionary says.


His loss in the primary was clear enough to him.

The time of you Stalinists is at an end. Turn coat Republicans are being routed, just as you Maoist democrats have bee. We normals are retaking our nation. We will once again enforce the bill of rights.

:lol:

You know, things like this would be terrifying, if they weren't so pathetic.

You keep that faith alive!
 
His loss in the primary is not the certainty you want it to be.
He threw in the towel today what are you talking about? the primary is over for him. He quit just like he did after he was elected when he quit on us.

Typo. The primary was not the certainty you want it to be.

Apologies for confusing you.
 
So browbeating is not in fashion for elected officials?

Dunno, but apparently Flake thinks there is too much petty infighting in Congress and they don't want to work together.

Guess he's tired of not being able to do his job because of all the gridlock and infighting.
I thought that was normal operation...

Actually, if you were to look at how DC has worked in the past, all the way up to about halfway through Jr.'s presidency, they actually DID work together to get things done.

Then..............under Jr. DC became infected with the "us or them" mentality because of 9/11 and the ensuing wars, and then when Obama was elected, half of Congress said that we needed to take our country back from the "liberal left", which resulted in even more division.

Trump saw the division and capitalized on it, which is why he got elected. He has no interest in uniting the country, because it's easier for him to demagogue if he can keep them divided.

Bullshit.

The Stalinists attacked Bush from day one and NEVER worked with him. For about two days after 9-11, some of the Communist democrats voiced support, but that changed quickly. Maoist democrats have no care for the nation, seeking only power to impose their socialist nightmare on America.
 
Right now, on all 3 cable news channels, Sen. Jeff Flake is announcing that he will not run again for office.

Apparently, he's not happy about serving in a screwed up Congress under a president with no leadership qualities. And, he's not just talking about Trump, he's talking about the whole government, from the backbiting and fighting in Congress between the members all the way up to Trump and the way he's doing things.

He really doesn't sound happy about the way Congress and the government has divided itself.

Arizona's Jeff Flake announces he will not seek re-election to U.S. Senate

The bombshell, which Flake, R-Ariz., intended to detail Tuesday afternoon on the Senate floor, will further roil Republican hopes of keeping the party's 52-seat Senate majority in the midterm elections of Trump's first term, when the president's party historically loses seats in Congress.

It also likely will upend the race for Flake's seat.

Flake, one of the Senate's more prominent critics of President Donald Trump, has been struggling in the polls.

He told The Arizona Republic ahead of his announcement that he has become convinced "there may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party."

'Here's the bottom line ...'
Flake said he has not "soured on the Senate" and loves the institution, but that as a traditional, libertarian-leaning conservative Republican he is out of step with today's Trump-dominated GOP.

"This spell will pass, but not by next year," Flake said.

Among Republican primary voters, there's overwhelming support for Trump's positions and "behavior," Flake said, and one of their top concerns is whether a candidate is with the president or against him. While Flake said he is with Trump on some issues, on other issues he is not. And Trump definitely views him as a foe, having denounced Flake publicly and called him "toxic" on Twitter.

"Here's the bottom line: The path that I would have to travel to get the Republican nomination is a path I'm not willing to take, and that I can't in good conscience take," Flake told The Republic in a telephone interview. "It would require me to believe in positions I don't hold on such issues as trade and immigration and it would require me to condone behavior that I cannot condone."


He has no chance at reelection and knows it. A normal will take his place.

:lol:

If you mean a Democrat, almost certainly.

But "normal" is not a word that anyone in their right mind would apply to O'Donnell 2.0.

In fact, just about zero chance a Communist democrat will win Arizona.

But you go ahead and cling to that fantasy.
 

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