Brexit busted.

[Tommy Tainant]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

 

[Tommy Tainant]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

And a bit more.
MORE LIES AND HYPE FROM THE DAILY MAIL ON REFUGEES

 

[Mindful]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

And a bit more.
MORE LIES AND HYPE FROM THE DAILY MAIL ON REFUGEES

Shock horror!

You read the Daily Mail?

 

[frigidweirdo]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

I expected there to be more debate. So far from the Brexit side all I see is petty nationalism with no real logic at all.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

And a bit more.
MORE LIES AND HYPE FROM THE DAILY MAIL ON REFUGEES

Shock horror!

You read the Daily Mail?

It's not the Daily Mail....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

I expected there to be more debate. So far from the Brexit side all I see is petty nationalism with no real logic at all.

Its a discussion between two sides who are talking different languages.

The "remainers" are generally younger, better educated and more sophisticated. They see opportunities in Europe and welcome them.

The "outers" are generally older,easily influenced and averse to change.They dont like hearing foreign languages in the street and believe that the EU is slowly taking over the Britain they know and love.

"Remainers" dont see immigration as a big deal but "outers" have little interest in any other issue.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

More fear mongering from the Express.
ANOTHER DAILY EXPRESS ARTICLE ON MIGRATION THAT DOESN’T ADD UP

The Express group is owned by Richard "dirty" Desmond. He is a sometime gangster with links to the American mafia and made his money through porn. He is a massive brexiter and is the only national newspaper to openly support ukip.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

And a bit more.
MORE LIES AND HYPE FROM THE DAILY MAIL ON REFUGEES

Shock horror!

You read the Daily Mail?

No. I do enjoy the many stories about their lies being exposed.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Daily Mail lies again.
LESSONS IN TABLOID SPIN: HOW THE DAILY MAIL LIED ABOUT AN EU STUDY

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Daily Mail lies again.
LESSONS IN TABLOID SPIN: HOW THE DAILY MAIL LIED ABOUT AN EU STUDY

IPSO Rulings - Detail
Another ruling against the Express for peddling lies.
The problem is that all of the mainstream press , The Sun,Mail,Express ,Star and Times are virulently brexit and peddle a constant diet of brexit crap. This is lapped up by those who do not think too deeply and sets the tone of the debate.

 

[Mindful]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

And a bit more.
MORE LIES AND HYPE FROM THE DAILY MAIL ON REFUGEES

Shock horror!

You read the Daily Mail?

No. I do enjoy the many stories about their lies being exposed.

How strange. You being a seeker of truth, and all that.

 

[Drummond]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

We should be shot of the EU ... there's no doubt of that. As to whether the EU would be better off without us ... possibly. Though - given what you say, perhaps the UK, in time, would've managed to inject some self-pride into individual Member States .. and would they have been much the better for it ?

But I'd be interested in seeing actual evidence of what you're asserting, namely, that the UK is trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the US ? I'm not aware that we are. Please back up your assertion.

Repeating my request from my previous post, as above ....

"... I'd be interested in seeing actual evidence of what you're asserting, namely, that the UK is trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the US ? I'm not aware that we are. Please back up your assertion."

 

[Drummond]

Daily Mail lies again.
LESSONS IN TABLOID SPIN: HOW THE DAILY MAIL LIED ABOUT AN EU STUDY

IPSO Rulings - Detail
Another ruling against the Express for peddling lies.
The problem is that all of the mainstream press , The Sun,Mail,Express ,Star and Times are virulently brexit and peddle a constant diet of brexit crap. This is lapped up by those who do not think too deeply and sets the tone of the debate.

From one so-called 'case' .. you immediately considerably expand it to generalise about other sources ? Do you really need to fudge this in order to win out ?

 

[Drummond]

More fear mongering from the Express.
ANOTHER DAILY EXPRESS ARTICLE ON MIGRATION THAT DOESN’T ADD UP

The Express group is owned by Richard "dirty" Desmond. He is a sometime gangster with links to the American mafia and made his money through porn. He is a massive brexiter and is the only national newspaper to openly support ukip.

Good grief. What a ridiculous attempt at character-assassination to make a self-serving point. Desperation setting in, by any chance ??

 

[Drummond]

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

He lives in cloud cuckoo land, and has about as much grasp of current affairs as a 6 month old baby

Living in Europe as part of the American military, does not give one insight into real life there.

EU stickers on cars. lol

Nevertheless his post is spot on.We are stronger together.

You mean, the bureaucratic tyranny is stronger .... be honest, my son .....

 

[Phoenall]

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

He lives in cloud cuckoo land, and has about as much grasp of current affairs as a 6 month old baby

Living in Europe as part of the American military, does not give one insight into real life there.

EU stickers on cars. lol

Nevertheless his post is spot on.We are stronger together.

SO WHY ARE YOU THREATENING TO LEAVE THE UK ALL THE TIME IF YOU CANT GET YOUR OWN WAY. WELL NOW THE ENGLISH ARE CALLING YOUR BLUFF TO SEE IF YOU HAVE THE GONADS TO CARRY OUT YOUR THREATS

 

[Phoenall]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

I've asked you before ... please answer now. At what point should we stop taking immigrants ... or ... do you think there is no upper limit to that number ??

There is obviously a number that would not be sustainable but that would be linked to the growth in our economy, or lack of.The economy will act as the driver on this.If the work isnt here then they wont come.

As an example I point to the movement of Irish people who moved to the UK when Ireland was struggling. Many ,many thousands of them. When the Irish economy exploded they all went back and took many Brits with them.

The same will happen over time with people from other countries. As membership of the EU raises their living standards they will have less incentive to work abroad.Then we will struggle to fill vacancies.It ebbs and flows.

Is that like your claims that more brits are claiming welfare in the EU that EU citizens claiming welfare in the UK. That was blown apart very simply. A few welsh and scots went to Ireland and returned because they did not fit in. The majority of migrants to the UK come for the welfare handouts and if they were stopped they would not come, proven when the muslim invaders were asked what they would do if they could not get any welfare or health care in the UK, they said they would not go. The next thing to be dealt with will be the gang bosses who employ migrants to pick fruit and veg, they charge the farmers minimum wage plus 10% and pay the migrants £2 to £3 an hour and claim the rest is for their taxes and upkeep.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

I expected there to be more debate. So far from the Brexit side all I see is petty nationalism with no real logic at all.

Its a discussion between two sides who are talking different languages.

The "remainers" are generally younger, better educated and more sophisticated. They see opportunities in Europe and welcome them.

The "outers" are generally older,easily influenced and averse to change.They dont like hearing foreign languages in the street and believe that the EU is slowly taking over the Britain they know and love.

"Remainers" dont see immigration as a big deal but "outers" have little interest in any other issue.

Whereas there are others who see immigration as an issue, want the EU to change, but don't see leaving as the solution to the problem.

 

[Phoenall]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

And there is no evidence to show that the same families would not lose the same thousands if we stayed in is there. What you don't want is to lose your fantasy subsidies that you think will come your way without realising that this time next year you will be paying dearly for any returns

Well there is evidence but you choose to ignore it because it doesnt support your fantasy of an all white Britain living large on what we dont spend in the EU.

THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THIS EVIDENCE THQAT SHOWS THAT ONLY IF WE LEAVE THE UE WILL WE HAVE TO PAY THIS EXTRA MONEY. WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS YOUR FANTASY THAT THE EU WILL WELCONE WALES INTO THE FOLD AND THROW £BILLIONS AT IT WITH NOTHING GOING THE OTHER WAY. THE TRUTH IS YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER EUROPE AND WILL NOT BE EVEN ACCEPTED ON THE NEXT 100 SHORT LISTS

 

[Drummond]

How the brexit campaigners whip up fear by lying.

IPSO Rulings - Detail

I expected there to be more debate. So far from the Brexit side all I see is petty nationalism with no real logic at all.

Its a discussion between two sides who are talking different languages.

The "remainers" are generally younger, better educated and more sophisticated. They see opportunities in Europe and welcome them.

The "outers" are generally older,easily influenced and averse to change.They dont like hearing foreign languages in the street and believe that the EU is slowly taking over the Britain they know and love.

"Remainers" dont see immigration as a big deal but "outers" have little interest in any other issue.

Whereas there are others who see immigration as an issue, want the EU to change, but don't see leaving as the solution to the problem.

Immigration, as an EU issue, won't change. The EU regards the free movement of EU citizens between Member States as sacrosanct ... a 'foundling principle'. Not even the massive influx of refugees from Syria (etc) has caused the EU to turn away from such a principle. Anyone believing this can become an issue where the EU as a whole will somehow be persuaded to change its policy on, are deluding themselves. The only alternative to accepting the status quo IS to leave ... simple fact ... !!