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Why, because your links say something different than mine?
My links show the subprime crisis started much earlier, and I should believe yours?
So Bush was in charge then, and Obuma has been in charge since 2008 and the democraps haven't learned shit!....Obama Administration Pushing Banks to Offer Sub-prime Mortgages again And When It Implodes Again .
http://pamelageller.com/2011/05/oba...tgages-again-and-when-it-implodes-again.html/
Weird you give an OPINION piece with a bunch of unrelated CRAP blaming the Dems (who had ZERO power as regulator of F/F, THAT WAS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, DUBYA) AND IT WASN'T A CRISIS CREATED BY F/F (THOUGH DUBYA HOSED THEM BY HIS POLICIES)
Let me know IF 'subprimes' Obama is pushing come ANYWHERE near what happened in the WORLD WIDE BANKSTER CREDIT BUBBLE. Grow up and grow a brain!
No, the GSEs Did Not Cause the Financial Meltdown (but thats just according to the data)
1. Private markets caused the shady mortgage boom: The first thing to point out is that the both the subprime mortgage boom and the subsequent crash are very much concentrated in the private market, especially the private label securitization channel (PLS) market. The Government-Sponsored Entities (GSEs, or Fannie and Freddie) were not behind them. The fly-by-night lending boom, slicing and dicing mortgage bonds, derivatives and CDOs, and all the other shadiness of the mortgage market in the 2000s were Wall Street creations, and they drove all those risky mortgages.
Heres some data to back that up: More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.
2. The governments affordability mission didnt cause the crisis:
4. Conservatives sang a different tune before the crash: Conservative think tanks spent the 2000s saying the exact opposite of what they are saying now
MY FAV, THE INFO YOUR LINK GOT HIS 'DATA' FROM (PETER WALLISON/ED PINTO/AEI TALKING POINTS)
AEI'S Peter Wallison in 2004: In recent years, study after study has shown that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are failing to do even as much as banks and S&Ls in providing financing for affordable housing, including minority and low income housing.
Hey Mayor Bloomberg! No, the GSEs Did Not Cause the Financial Meltdown (but thats just according to the data) | The Big Picture
HE'S THE ONLY DISSENTING MEMBER OF THE FCIC's CONCLUSIONS THAT GOV'T POLICY DIDN'T CAUSE THE BANKSTER MELTDOWN. 3 GOPers said he was full of it![]()
Oh Please! You are getting redundant, and boring with your bullshit!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314]How The Democrats Caused The Financial Crisis: Starring Bill Clinton's HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo And Barack Obama; With Special Guest Appearances By Bill Clinton And Jimmy Carter - YouTube[/ame]
I imagine Dud2three is having a grand old time refuting all those video's. Pictures and sound make an argument so much easier to control!
Survey says:
Obama is worst in past 100 years.
Why am I not surprized.
Home Ownership and President Bush
George W. Bush was a major proponent of the kind of mortgages that banks had started making under the CRA. He urged low-to-no doc mortgages and the elimination of downpayments, just like the CRA regulators had long done. “We certainly don't want there to be a fine print preventing people from owning their home,” the President said in a 2002 speech. “We can change the print, and we've got to.”
American Dream Downpayment Initiative
Summary
The American Dream Downpayment Initiative (ADDI) was signed into law on December 16, 2003. The American Dream Downpayment Assistance Act authorized up to $200 million annually.
American Dream Downpayment Initiative - Affordable Housing - CPD - HUD
July 8, 2004
HUD DATA SHOWS FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC HAVE TRAILED THE INDUSTRY IN PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN 44 STATES
New regulations will increase mortgage financing for homebuyers and underserved communities
This data covering 1999-2002 shows that combined, the GSEs have lagged behind the primary market in 44 states in their commitment to provide affordable housing opportunities for low- and moderate-income families.
HUD Archives: HUD DATA SHOWS FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC HAVE TRAILED THE INDUSTRY IN PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN 44 STATES
AEI’s Peter Wallison, the only inquiry commission member to insist that Fannie had blood on her hands:
By Peter J. Wallison | House Subcommittee on Capital Markets
(September 06, 2000)
The GSE form–at least as it is embodied in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–contains an inherent contradiction. It is a shareholder-owned company, with the fiduciary obligation to maximize profits, and a government-chartered and empowered agency with a public mission. It should be obvious that it cannot achieve both objectives. If it maximizes profits, it will fail to perform its government mission to its full potential. If it performs its government mission fully, it will fail to maximize profits.
[T]he incentives of their managements [are] to increase their own compensation. This has direct consequences in the real world. Since 1992, Fannie and Freddie have had an obligation to assist in financing affordable and low income housing. Obviously, doing so would be costly, and would thus reduce their profitability. Studies now show that their performance in financing low income housing-especially in minority areas- is far worse than that of ordinary banks. In other words, despite the fact that Fannie and Freddie receive subsidies to perform a government mission-in this case support of low income housing-their need for and incentives to retain a high level of profitability is an obstacle to their performance.
lol
Hahahahaha. Fannie did too little. Until it did too much
Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up
The boom and bust was global. Proponents of the Big Lie ignore the worldwide nature of the housing boom and bust.
Nonbank mortgage underwriting exploded from 2001 to 2007, along with the private label securitization market, which eclipsed Fannie and Freddie during the boom.
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Private lenders not subject to congressional regulations collapsed lending standards.
Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up | The Big Picture
Nobody forced the big five investment banks to do what they did; they were not subject to CRA or other regulations common to depository banks. In fact, they mainly bought and sold loans rather than originate them. They did it because they thought they would make money.
Why, because your links say something different than mine?
My links show the subprime crisis started much earlier, and I should believe yours?
So Bush was in charge then, and Obuma has been in charge since 2008 and the democraps haven't learned shit!....Obama Administration Pushing Banks to Offer Sub-prime Mortgages again And When It Implodes Again .
http://pamelageller.com/2011/05/oba...tgages-again-and-when-it-implodes-again.html/
" My links show the subprime crisis started much earlier, and I should believe yours? "
PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IT DOES THAT?
Your link to the hate lady, is about REDLINING, NOT SUBPRIME LOANS. Know the difference? lol
An official government report was produced in April 2011 by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, led by Chairman Carl Levin (D-MI) and Ranking Member Tom Coburn (R-OK), titled Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse. The Levin-Coburn Report, a 639-page document, including 2,849 footnotes unanimously and unambiguously concluded that the [2008] crisis was not a natural disaster, but the result of high risk, complex financial products; undisclosed conflicts of interest; and the failure of regulators, the credit rating agencies, and the market itself to rein in the excesses of Wall Street.
This myth got traction in January 2011, when after conducting over five hundred interviews and holding twelve days of hearings, the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (FCIC) failed to produce a unified report. The 545-page book the panel did publish, titled The Financial Crisis Inquiry Report: Final Report of the National Commission on the Causes of the Financial and Economic Crisis in the United States, had three sections. The first part was a lengthy majority report endorsed by the six Democratic appointees. This was followed by two much shorter dissents. Reading the three parts together, it is clear that all ten commissioners agreed that the collapse of the U.S. housing bubble was the proximate cause of the crisis.
In addition, there was substantial consensus among nine of the commissioners. For these nineincluding three of the four Republican appointeesthe centerpiece of the consensus was that poor risk management at U.S. financial institutions was a chief contributor to the crisis. For example, all nine agreed that risk management failures at financial institutions led to insufficient capital and a reliance on short-term borrowing.
Toxic bankers, captive regulators: Everything you think about the housing market is wrong - Salon.com
A 2011 Senate panel headed by DEMOCRAT LEVIN who had previously covered up the involvement of Dodd and Frank in their Fannie Mae affair and the head of it Franklin Raines!
Yet it is Obama who was chosen by 33 per cent of those surveyed as the worst president of the modern era, while Bush came second, chosen as worst by 28 per cent.
Home Ownership and President Bush
George W. Bush was a major proponent of the kind of mortgages that banks had started making under the CRA. He urged low-to-no doc mortgages and the elimination of downpayments, just like the CRA regulators had long done. “We certainly don't want there to be a fine print preventing people from owning their home,” the President said in a 2002 speech. “We can change the print, and we've got to.”
American Dream Downpayment Initiative
Summary
The American Dream Downpayment Initiative (ADDI) was signed into law on December 16, 2003. The American Dream Downpayment Assistance Act authorized up to $200 million annually.
American Dream Downpayment Initiative - Affordable Housing - CPD - HUD
July 8, 2004
HUD DATA SHOWS FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC HAVE TRAILED THE INDUSTRY IN PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN 44 STATES
New regulations will increase mortgage financing for homebuyers and underserved communities
This data covering 1999-2002 shows that combined, the GSEs have lagged behind the primary market in 44 states in their commitment to provide affordable housing opportunities for low- and moderate-income families.
HUD Archives: HUD DATA SHOWS FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC HAVE TRAILED THE INDUSTRY IN PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN 44 STATES
AEI’s Peter Wallison, the only inquiry commission member to insist that Fannie had blood on her hands:
By Peter J. Wallison | House Subcommittee on Capital Markets
(September 06, 2000)
The GSE form–at least as it is embodied in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–contains an inherent contradiction. It is a shareholder-owned company, with the fiduciary obligation to maximize profits, and a government-chartered and empowered agency with a public mission. It should be obvious that it cannot achieve both objectives. If it maximizes profits, it will fail to perform its government mission to its full potential. If it performs its government mission fully, it will fail to maximize profits.
[T]he incentives of their managements [are] to increase their own compensation. This has direct consequences in the real world. Since 1992, Fannie and Freddie have had an obligation to assist in financing affordable and low income housing. Obviously, doing so would be costly, and would thus reduce their profitability. Studies now show that their performance in financing low income housing-especially in minority areas- is far worse than that of ordinary banks. In other words, despite the fact that Fannie and Freddie receive subsidies to perform a government mission-in this case support of low income housing-their need for and incentives to retain a high level of profitability is an obstacle to their performance.
lol
Hahahahaha. Fannie did too little. Until it did too much
Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up
The boom and bust was global. Proponents of the Big Lie ignore the worldwide nature of the housing boom and bust.
Nonbank mortgage underwriting exploded from 2001 to 2007, along with the private label securitization market, which eclipsed Fannie and Freddie during the boom.
![]()
Private lenders not subject to congressional regulations collapsed lending standards.
Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up | The Big Picture
Nobody forced the big five investment banks to do what they did; they were not subject to CRA or other regulations common to depository banks. In fact, they mainly bought and sold loans rather than originate them. They did it because they thought they would make money.
Fault him for trying to help poor blacks and other minorities...how very LIBERAL of you.... sort of like you assholes start calling conservatives queers and fags, when you pond scum are supposed to be champions of their cause.... HYPOCRISY is just another name for liberal!
Yet it is Obama who was chosen by 33 per cent of those surveyed as the worst president of the modern era, while Bush came second, chosen as worst by 28 per cent.
" My links show the subprime crisis started much earlier, and I should believe yours? "
PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IT DOES THAT?
Your link to the hate lady, is about REDLINING, NOT SUBPRIME LOANS. Know the difference? lol
An official government report was produced in April 2011 by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, led by Chairman Carl Levin (D-MI) and Ranking Member Tom Coburn (R-OK), titled Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse. The Levin-Coburn Report, a 639-page document, including 2,849 footnotes unanimously and unambiguously concluded that the [2008] crisis was not a natural disaster, but the result of high risk, complex financial products; undisclosed conflicts of interest; and the failure of regulators, the credit rating agencies, and the market itself to rein in the excesses of Wall Street.
This myth got traction in January 2011, when after conducting over five hundred interviews and holding twelve days of hearings, the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (FCIC) failed to produce a unified report. The 545-page book the panel did publish, titled The Financial Crisis Inquiry Report: Final Report of the National Commission on the Causes of the Financial and Economic Crisis in the United States, had three sections. The first part was a lengthy majority report endorsed by the six Democratic appointees. This was followed by two much shorter dissents. Reading the three parts together, it is clear that all ten commissioners agreed that the collapse of the U.S. housing bubble was the proximate cause of the crisis.
In addition, there was substantial consensus among nine of the commissioners. For these nineincluding three of the four Republican appointeesthe centerpiece of the consensus was that poor risk management at U.S. financial institutions was a chief contributor to the crisis. For example, all nine agreed that risk management failures at financial institutions led to insufficient capital and a reliance on short-term borrowing.
Toxic bankers, captive regulators: Everything you think about the housing market is wrong - Salon.com
A 2011 Senate panel headed by DEMOCRAT LEVIN who had previously covered up the involvement of Dodd and Frank in their Fannie Mae affair and the head of it Franklin Raines!
Concluding a two-year bipartisan investigation, Senator Carl Levin, D-Mich., and Senator Tom Coburn M.D., R-Okla., Chairman and Ranking Republican on the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations
"The free market has helped make America great, but it only functions when people deal with each other honestly and transparently. At the heart of the financial crisis were unresolved, and often undisclosed, conflicts of interest," said Dr. Coburn (R) . "Blame for this mess lies everywhere from federal regulators who cast a blind eye, Wall Street bankers who let greed run wild, and members of Congress who failed to provide oversight."
Carl Levin - United States Senator for Michigan: Newsroom - Press Releases
@Dad2three
I find it alarming that you've made more than 1/6 of my total posts in less than 1/36th the total time I've been on these forums, and I post A LOT for a person that works two jobs and owns a house and has a fiance.
Who is paying you full-time to post on these boards?
[MENTION=49669]Dad2three[/MENTION]
I find it alarming that you've made more than 1/6 of my total posts in less than 1/36th the total time I've been on these forums, and I post A LOT for a person that works two jobs and owns a house and has a fiance.
Who is paying you full-time to post on these boards?
@Dad2three
I find it alarming that you've made more than 1/6 of my total posts in less than 1/36th the total time I've been on these forums, and I post A LOT for a person that works two jobs and owns a house and has a fiance.
Who is paying you full-time to post on these boards?
When he, and a few others that get PAID by the DNC to come on websites and spew propaganda, he can afford to be here!
@Dad2three
I find it alarming that you've made more than 1/6 of my total posts in less than 1/36th the total time I've been on these forums, and I post A LOT for a person that works two jobs and owns a house and has a fiance.
Who is paying you full-time to post on these boards?
Got it, you can't refute my FACTS so therefore I must be paid, lol
Yet it is Obama who was chosen by 33 per cent of those surveyed as the worst president of the modern era, while Bush came second, chosen as worst by 28 per cent.
@Dad2three
I find it alarming that you've made more than 1/6 of my total posts in less than 1/36th the total time I've been on these forums, and I post A LOT for a person that works two jobs and owns a house and has a fiance.
Who is paying you full-time to post on these boards?
When he, and a few others that get PAID by the DNC to come on websites and spew propaganda, he can afford to be here!