businesses that ban guns...remember Luby's cafe....

[M14 Shooter]

Please tell me who looked a gun owner in the face and said we won't serve you because you have a gun.
All the business owners have said to please leave the guns outside.

You said:

When business start denying people service just because they have a gun...

I have a gun. There's a sign that says no guns.
Thus, the business has denied me service just because I have a gun.
Why do you refuse to support me?

No they didn't deny you service. They denied you entrance with your gun.

Oh, I see.
So, I post a "No Negros" sign, I have not denied service to Negros, I have only denied them entrance?

 

[Iceweasel]

You are trying to move the goal posts, I see. I said open carry. Most people open carrying are toting sidearms.

I don't really care what you are referring to.

I responded to this portion:
"After all, I'm irrationally afraid of strangers carrying weapons designed and built to kill, in places where there is no rational need for them to be carried."

...and said people are carrying unknown to you all around you. Obviously I wasn't talking about rifles but your irrational fear, using your words. Now you don't care what I was referring to? You're an idiot.

Since the very beginning of this thread, I have used the word "Rifles", except one post, in which I said that I leave all my weapons in my car when I go in to a commercial establishment. What you do is your own business. I do not feel like I am missing anything that I really want to see by avoiding any place where you or anyone else carries rifles in stores. The fact is that I do see some over zealous macho men walking around with holstered guns in stores. I won't do that myself, because I think it is just "putting on a show", but I have far less of an issue with that, than I do with idiots carrying rifles in stores. When that happens, I drop off anything that I was going to buy with the manager, and tell him that when he stops allowing people to do that, I just might return and buy something.

You go see the manager and give him the merchandise? LOL. What a loon.

 

[2aguy]

Homosexual people have been told that they will not be served under any conditions because they're homosexual.

Well, that is absolutely wrong...in the case of the baker...they will bake them anything they want...except a wedding cake...because their religion thinks what they are doing is a sin and won't support it...but they can have anything else...in fact in the one case they baked that couple all kinds of other items in the past....and then when they wanted to express their freedom of religion...was it respected by the gay couple...no....

If a store doesn't want me to carry a gun inside, I will go to another store...unless there isn't one, then I will keep my weapon in my car...where it can be stolen if someone breaks into the car...makes as much sense as telling a someone who isn't going to shoot people to take their gun off....while the crazies who will shoot people...walk in and shoot people...liberals think funny...

 

[2aguy]

However in the last few years we've seen people walk into schools, malls, movie theaters and just open fire. These open carry people aren't caring signs saying they're not going to open fire. How does anyone know that they won't just start firing their weapons? It's happened over and over again in America.

This is where the nuttiness starts...it is against the law to do what you just described...while the people who don't do that are the ones obeying the signs that say no guns allowed.

It happened over and over again...in places that do not permit people to carry guns....again....it happened over and over again in places that do not allow people to carry guns...again, one last time...please read carefully, it might sink in....it happened over and over again in places that do not allow people to carry guns....

The only people who had the guns and used them were the killers....the Colorado theater killer went to the theater he went to because they had a no gun policy....he drove past theater after theater that allowed patrons to carry guns....and went to the theater that did not allow law abiding people to carry guns....so he went there because no one had a gun except for him...so he was able to kill and kill and there was no one there to stop him....because no one had a gun because the theater was a gun free zone....

 

[Dana7360]

Please tell me who looked a gun owner in the face and said we won't serve you because you have a gun.
All the business owners have said to please leave the guns outside.

You said:

When business start denying people service just because they have a gun...

I have a gun. There's a sign that says no guns.
Thus, the business has denied me service just because I have a gun.
Why do you refuse to support me?

No they didn't deny you service. They denied you entrance with your gun. You can come in all you want and get service. Just leave your gun outside.


Where as a homosexual person is being denied service period. They can't leave their sexuality outside. There is no circumstance that a homosexual person would be able to get service.

If you entered a business with a gun that asked you to leave your gun outside, I wouldn't defend you. If they said to you that they won't serve you because you have a gun even though you left it outside, I would be defending you.

I can see the difference even though you can't.

None of the businesses in question denied take-out type services like all these stores are denying to gun owners.

and you can leave your sexuality outside, you go in, buy your crap, and walk out without referencing it. or you keep it concealed, kind of like a firearm.

Its that you don't like guns, and do like forcing your morality on people, its obvious that's why you see a difference.

I didn't know there was a specific business in question. However there is a case in Oregon where a business denied to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. The bakery flat out denied them a wedding cake under any circumstances. Whether it's "take out" or not.

There are more than restaurants that are business. Did you know that? A business can sell goods or services. Any business that's not a restaurant doesn't do "take out." You have to go into the store to pick out what you want or need, buy it then leave.

How can a person leave their sexuality outside and buy a wedding cake? The baker is going to know it's being made for a homosexual couple. Most homosexual people don't wear it on their sleeves. They are just like any other person. They just happen to love someone of the same sex.

I don't like guns around me. I have no problem with you or any law abiding person owning guns. Have an arsenal for all I care. Go and shoot up targets or hunt animals to your heart's content. It's none of my business and I don't care.

I do care about business owner's right to be able to tell gun nuts to leave their guns outside. They have the right to not have guns in their establishment.

Would you defend a smoker if they wanted to light up inside a business? In my state no one can do that. The person is welcome in the establishment. The lighted cigarette isn't.

The person welcome in the business. The gun isn't.

You just can't give me a mature and logical reply so you typed the above and barely made any sense.

 

[Dana7360]

Please tell me who looked a gun owner in the face and said we won't serve you because you have a gun.
All the business owners have said to please leave the guns outside.

You said:

When business start denying people service just because they have a gun...

I have a gun. There's a sign that says no guns.
Thus, the business has denied me service just because I have a gun.
Why do you refuse to support me?

No they didn't deny you service. They denied you entrance with your gun.

Oh, I see.
So, I post a "No Negros" sign, I have not denied service to Negros, I have only denied them entrance?

You're perfectly welcome in that business.

Your gun isn't.

 

[2aguy]

denied to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

and would have baked them anything else, cookies, any other cake, pastries....but because of their right to religious freedom....would not bake them one kind of cake....a wedding cake....anything else was,fine...


and did the gay couple think...oh...that is their right under our,Constitution to religious freedom....we will simply get our cake at another bakery....

No....they took them to court....because they wouldn't bake a wedding cake...so they had no problem violating their right to religious freedom over a cake....

who are the real extremists....

 

[Vandalshandle]

"You go see the manager and give him the merchandise? LOL. What a loon."

Right, Ice, I am a loon. I see you walk in to Luby's with your rifle, and I immediately walk out. You on the other hand think that I am irrational, and you stay.

And, of the two us, I am the loon. Just keep thinking that.

 

[Dana7360]

denied to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

and would have baked them anything else, cookies, any other cake, pastries....but because of their right to religious freedom....would not bake them one kind of cake....a wedding cake....anything else was,fine...


and did the gay couple think...oh...that is their right under our,Constitution to religious freedom....we will simply get our cake at another bakery....

No....they took them to court....because they wouldn't bake a wedding cake...so they had no problem violating their right to religious freedom over a cake....

who are the real extremists....

That's not what they were there for.

They were there for a wedding cake. The baker refused to service them for the only reason being they were homosexual.

Which is illegal according to our civil rights laws.

It's also illegal on the state level in Oregon. Like a lot of other states, it's illegal to discriminate against someone who is homosexual.

The courts agree with me.

Oregon Rules Bakery Violated Gay Couple’s Civil Rights By Denying Them A Cake For Same-Sex Wedding « CBS Seattle

Now please show me where it's illegal for a business person to ask people to leave their guns outside.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Please tell me who looked a gun owner in the face and said we won't serve you because you have a gun.
All the business owners have said to please leave the guns outside.

You said:

When business start denying people service just because they have a gun...

I have a gun. There's a sign that says no guns.
Thus, the business has denied me service just because I have a gun.
Why do you refuse to support me?

No they didn't deny you service. They denied you entrance with your gun.

Oh, I see.
So, I post a "No Negros" sign, I have not denied service to Negros, I have only denied them entrance?

You're perfectly welcome in that business.
Your gun isn't.

So... you agree that a "No Negros" sign denies entrance, not service. Good.

 

[Dana7360]

Please tell me who looked a gun owner in the face and said we won't serve you because you have a gun.
All the business owners have said to please leave the guns outside.

You said:

When business start denying people service just because they have a gun...

I have a gun. There's a sign that says no guns.
Thus, the business has denied me service just because I have a gun.
Why do you refuse to support me?

No they didn't deny you service. They denied you entrance with your gun.

Oh, I see.
So, I post a "No Negros" sign, I have not denied service to Negros, I have only denied them entrance?

You're perfectly welcome in that business.
Your gun isn't.

So... you agree that a "No Negros" sign denies entrance, not service. Good.

Wow you twist my words.

Saying no African Americans can't enter a business is discrimination.

Saying your gun can't enter isn't.

In case you didn't know, your gun isn't a human being.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Oh...So those same businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason they see fit?
Gotcha....
BTW. Those signs are not legally binding.

Not true. I can have law enforcement remove anyone in my place of business if he is carrying a weapon, if I so desire.

Missed the point. Legally, you cannot bar them from entering your business.
And if the weapon is concealed, you'd no knowledge of its existence in the first place.
It is only if you discover the guest is carrying can you then ask them to leave the business to return the weapon to their auto.
If there is no controlling legal authority that permits you from banning concealed or open carry weapons, the police cannot help you. And they will consider it a civil matter.
Now, about those other "selective" removals? Come on.....Get to the point....
Or are you setting up another liberal double standard?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Bloomberg's bodyguards, he has like 23 of them, carry guns.

Why not? He probably gets a lot of threats from gun fondling pussies.

There aren't any gun fondling pussies. That makes as much sense as saying "liberal men".

Afraid to leave your home without a gun? That`s spells Pussy with a capital P.

It is not fear, asslick....It's preparedness. Fuck off.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Bloomberg has a heavily armed security team. It's too bad that he doesn't apply the same rules to his hypocritical Jew ass. He'd be dead in a month.

I`m sure Mr. Bloomberg gets plenty of threats from you Stormfronters. He should have armed guards.

Once again...a pink shirt wearing flaming lib plays the old double standard card.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You are trying to move the goal posts, I see. I said open carry. Most people open carrying are toting sidearms.

I don't really care what you are referring to. Since the very beginning of this thread, I have used the word "Rifles", except one post, in which I said that I leave all my weapons in my car when I go in to a commercial establishment. What you do is your own business. I do not feel like I am missing anything that I really want to see by avoiding any place where you or anyone else carries rifles in stores. The fact is that I do see some over zealous macho men walking around with holstered guns in stores. I won't do that myself, because I think it is just "putting on a show", but I have far less of an issue with that, than I do with idiots carrying rifles in stores. When that happens, I drop off anything that I was going to buy with the manager, and tell him that when he stops allowing people to do that, I just might return and buy something.

You don't get to change the narrative for your own reasons.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Guess what?

Private business owners can choose what happens in their business. They have the right to tell people to leave their weapons at home.

If you don't like it that's tough.

It's called FREEDOM.

Tell the people getting sued due to public accommodations laws and butthurt LGBT's that, see how far it goes.

No one is denying a gun nut service.

Some are trying to deny service to homosexuals.

When business start denying people service just because they have a gun, I'll be supporting the person with the gun.

It's called civil rights.

All business owners are asking is that they don't bring their guns inside. The business owner has the right to tell people not to bring their guns in. The business owner doesn't have the right to deny someone service just because of a gun or because they're homosexual.

It's two very different things.

Don't try that passive aggressive shit here.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Guess what?

Private business owners can choose what happens in their business. They have the right to tell people to leave their weapons at home.

If you don't like it that's tough.

It's called FREEDOM.

Tell the people getting sued due to public accommodations laws and butthurt LGBT's that, see how far it goes.

No one is denying a gun nut service.

A "no guns" sign does exactly that.

When business start denying people service just because they have a gun, I'll be supporting the person with the gun.

I doubt it.

Please tell me who looked a gun owner in the face and said we won't serve you because you have a gun.

All the business owners have said to please leave the guns outside.

Homosexual people have been told that they will not be served under any conditions because they're homosexual.

I grew up with guns. My mom's side of the family are avid hunters. My dad started hunting when he met my mom.

I grew up with different kinds of animal meat in the freezer including seafood. Salmon fishing is a very serious sport here.

My aunt used to sit on her back porch waiting for the right size deer to walk by. Then BLAMO! They had venison in the freezer. She was a good shot.

So was my grandfather. My dad said he only saw my grandfather miss once. He enjoyed telling people the story of how my grandfather's dog, an irish setter, flushed out a pheasant, my grandfather shot, the dog went to get it but the bird kept flying away. The dog stopped in his tracks. Looked back at my grandfather then walked back to the car. That dog wouldn't leave the car to hunt the rest of the day.

My dad's guns were in the garage all my life and it was no big deal. My dad taught all of us kids about guns. What they do and what they're for. He always talked about being responsible with those guns. They aren't a toy. Which I think those open carry people think their guns are toys to play with.

My uncle gave my cousins guns for christmas presents. They had the heads of deer and elk mounted and hanging all over the upstairs of their house. My aunt didn't like them staring at her so she wouldn't let my uncle mount them on the main floor of the house.

I have nothing against any responsible gun owner who follows our laws.

However in the last few years we've seen people walk into schools, malls, movie theaters and just open fire. These open carry people aren't caring signs saying they're not going to open fire. How does anyone know that they won't just start firing their weapons? It's happened over and over again in America.

I won't go anywhere that I see anyone, other than the police, open carry a gun. I don't know those people. I don't know what they're going to do.

Responsible gun owners don't need to carry them for everyone to see. A gun is a tool. Not a toy.

Not talking about gays. STAY ON POINT

 

[thereisnospoon]

Guess what?

Private business owners can choose what happens in their business. They have the right to tell people to leave their weapons at home.

If you don't like it that's tough.

It's called FREEDOM.

Tell the people getting sued due to public accommodations laws and butthurt LGBT's that, see how far it goes.

No one is denying a gun nut service.

A "no guns" sign does exactly that.

When business start denying people service just because they have a gun, I'll be supporting the person with the gun.

I doubt it.

Please tell me who looked a gun owner in the face and said we won't serve you because you have a gun.

All the business owners have said to please leave the guns outside.

Homosexual people have been told that they will not be served under any conditions because they're homosexual.

I grew up with guns. My mom's side of the family are avid hunters. My dad started hunting when he met my mom.

I grew up with different kinds of animal meat in the freezer including seafood. Salmon fishing is a very serious sport here.

My aunt used to sit on her back porch waiting for the right size deer to walk by. Then BLAMO! They had venison in the freezer. She was a good shot.

So was my grandfather. My dad said he only saw my grandfather miss once. He enjoyed telling people the story of how my grandfather's dog, an irish setter, flushed out a pheasant, my grandfather shot, the dog went to get it but the bird kept flying away. The dog stopped in his tracks. Looked back at my grandfather then walked back to the car. That dog wouldn't leave the car to hunt the rest of the day.

My dad's guns were in the garage all my life and it was no big deal. My dad taught all of us kids about guns. What they do and what they're for. He always talked about being responsible with those guns. They aren't a toy. Which I think those open carry people think their guns are toys to play with.

My uncle gave my cousins guns for christmas presents. They had the heads of deer and elk mounted and hanging all over the upstairs of their house. My aunt didn't like them staring at her so she wouldn't let my uncle mount them on the main floor of the house.

I have nothing against any responsible gun owner who follows our laws.

However in the last few years we've seen people walk into schools, malls, movie theaters and just open fire. These open carry people aren't caring signs saying they're not going to open fire. How does anyone know that they won't just start firing their weapons? It's happened over and over again in America.

I won't go anywhere that I see anyone, other than the police, open carry a gun. I don't know those people. I don't know what they're going to do.

Responsible gun owners don't need to carry them for everyone to see. A gun is a tool. Not a toy.

I think you're full of shit.
You have posted a personal anecdote in each thread in which you've commented.
Now unless you are the world's most interesting man/woman, you are indeed spewing KA KA....

 

[idb]

A sensible restaurant would have a manned pillbox with a clear field of fire across all the diners.
Then they could ask for all guns to be left at the door.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Please tell me who looked a gun owner in the face and said we won't serve you because you have a gun.
All the business owners have said to please leave the guns outside.

You said:

When business start denying people service just because they have a gun...

I have a gun. There's a sign that says no guns.
Thus, the business has denied me service just because I have a gun.
Why do you refuse to support me?

No they didn't deny you service. They denied you entrance with your gun. You can come in all you want and get service. Just leave your gun outside.

Where as a homosexual person is being denied service period. They can't leave their sexuality outside. There is no circumstance that a homosexual person would be able to get service.

If you entered a business with a gun that asked you to leave your gun outside, I wouldn't defend you. If they said to you that they won't serve you because you have a gun even though you left it outside, I would be defending you.

I can see the difference even though you can't.

The right to keep and bear arms is every bit as important and vital as the right to self expression( first amendment).....Homosexuality is a form of free expression....
Got it?