But....a handgun ban that doesn't work? Just ask the Canadians...

[2aguy]

/----/ What part of gang-related homicides do you not understand?
For various reasons the total number of gang-related homicides appears to be about 11,500; while the total for the rest of us is about 3,000. Essentially, then; the percentage of gang-related homicides in the United States is about 74 percent – and rising as the number of murders among the general population declines.

And this is where he will cite a bogus stat that most murder is not gang related....but that is a fail because in crime reporting,

Gangs and Violence​

Armstrong: Let’s turn to questions of where crime is coming from in our country. How much violent crime takes place in the subset of the population we would typically associate with the gang culture?

Kleck: In places like Chicago or Los Angeles, it’s a huge fraction of it. It varies enormously from place to place. It may well be that half or more of the gun homicides in those cities are gang related. But in most places in America, it’s a somewhat more modest fraction.

We don’t have national figures that are of any use. For what it’s worth, in the FBI uniform crime reports data, they do have a category for the circumstance in which the crime was committed.

One possible box that local police can check in filling out the homicide reports for the FBI could indeed be for gang-related. But the problem is that the FBI forms require police to check just one circumstance. So if a guy belongs to a gang, and he was selling drugs, and he has a dispute with his customer over the price, and then they get into an argument and one shoots the other, that could go into any of three or four different categories, only one of which is gang-related.


So those data are useless.


What we’re stuck with are local estimates, and, as I say, it varies enormously from one locality to another. It’s a huge percentage in a couple of cities. Chicago and Los Angeles have really bad street-gang problems. On the other hand, in Peoria it’s probably a relatively small fraction, certainly well under half.

Criminologist Gary Kleck on Guns, Crime, and Their Study - Ari Armstrong

Youtu

 

[sealybobo]

No....they didn't....they led to the longest sustained economic growth in the modern period...everyone benefited, including minorities....and you can try to lie about it as much as you want, but the numbers speak for themselves...

1981-1990: The Fed fights the “Great Inflation”​

The fed funds rate has never been as high as it was in the 1980s.

Most of the reason why is because the Fed wanted to combat inflation, which soared in 1980 to its highest level on record: 14.6 percent.

As a result, the U.S. central bank did something that might seem counterintuitive for an institution that strives to maintain the most productive economy possible: It manufactured a recession to bring prices back down.

The “effective” fed funds rate averaged at 9.97 percent during this 10-year period.

So we need to raise interest rates more. Right?

Fed's Interest Rate History: The Fed Funds Rate Since 1981 | Bankrate

The federal funds rate, a key borrowing benchmark set by the Federal Reserve, is back to levels not seen since early 2001.

www.bankrate.com

 

[2aguy]

1981-1990: The Fed fights the “Great Inflation”​

The fed funds rate has never been as high as it was in the 1980s.

Most of the reason why is because the Fed wanted to combat inflation, which soared in 1980 to its highest level on record: 14.6 percent.

As a result, the U.S. central bank did something that might seem counterintuitive for an institution that strives to maintain the most productive economy possible: It manufactured a recession to bring prices back down.

The “effective” fed funds rate averaged at 9.97 percent during this 10-year period.

So we need to raise interest rates more. Right?

Fed's Interest Rate History: The Fed Funds Rate Since 1981 | Bankrate

The federal funds rate, a key borrowing benchmark set by the Federal Reserve, is back to levels not seen since early 2001.

www.bankrate.com

Yes.....after jimmy carter and his mess, Reagan fixed the country, you doofus.....

You moron....

Real GDP per working-age adult, which had increased at only a 0.8 annual rate during the Carter administration, increased at a 1.8 percent rate during the Reagan administration. The increase in productivity growth was even higher: output per hour in the business sector, which had been roughly constant in the Carter years, increased at a 1.4 percent rate in the Reagan years. Productivityin the manufacturing sector increased at a 3.8 percent annual rate, a record for peacetime.

Most other economic conditions also improved. The unemployment rate declined from 7.0 percent in 1980 to 5.4 percent in 1988.

The inflation rate declined from 10.4 percent in 1980 to 4.2 percent in 1988.

The combination of conditions proved that there is no long-run trade-off between the unemployment rate and the inflation rate (see Phillips Curve). Other conditions were more mixed. The rate of new business formation increased sharply, but the rate of bank failures was the highest since the thirties. Real interest rates increased sharply, but inflation-adjusted prices of common stocks more than doubled.
------

At the end of the Reagan administration, the U.S. economy had experienced the longest peacetime expansion ever. The “stagflation” and “malaise” that plagued the U.S. economy from 1973 through 1980 were transformed by the Reagan economic program into a sustained period of higher growth and lower inflation.
----
Moreover, these changes were achieved at a much lower cost than was previously expected. Despite the large decline in marginal tax rates, for example, the federal revenue share of GDP declined only slightly. Similarly, the large reduction in the inflation rate was achieved without any long-term effect on the unemployment rate.

Reaganomics - Econlib

Reagan’s 1981 Program for Economic Recovery had four major policy objectives: (1) reduce the growth of government spending, (2) reduce the marginal tax rates on income from both labor and capital, (3) reduce regulation, and (4) reduce inflation by controlling the growth of the money supply.

www.econlib.org

 

[Cellblock2429]

And this is where he will cite a bogus stat that most murder is not gang related....but that is a fail because in crime reporting,

Gangs and Violence​

Armstrong: Let’s turn to questions of where crime is coming from in our country. How much violent crime takes place in the subset of the population we would typically associate with the gang culture?

Kleck: In places like Chicago or Los Angeles, it’s a huge fraction of it. It varies enormously from place to place. It may well be that half or more of the gun homicides in those cities are gang related. But in most places in America, it’s a somewhat more modest fraction.

We don’t have national figures that are of any use. For what it’s worth, in the FBI uniform crime reports data, they do have a category for the circumstance in which the crime was committed.

One possible box that local police can check in filling out the homicide reports for the FBI could indeed be for gang-related. But the problem is that the FBI forms require police to check just one circumstance. So if a guy belongs to a gang, and he was selling drugs, and he has a dispute with his customer over the price, and then they get into an argument and one shoots the other, that could go into any of three or four different categories, only one of which is gang-related.


So those data are useless.


What we’re stuck with are local estimates, and, as I say, it varies enormously from one locality to another. It’s a huge percentage in a couple of cities. Chicago and Los Angeles have really bad street-gang problems. On the other hand, in Peoria it’s probably a relatively small fraction, certainly well under half.

Criminologist Gary Kleck on Guns, Crime, and Their Study - Ari Armstrong

Youtu

/——-/ So everyone is lying about gang related murders. Even these guys who track it by neighborhood. Chicago Murder Map And Neighborhood Totals - 2022 Update

 

[2aguy]

/——-/ So everyone is lying about gang related murders. Even these guys who track it by neighborhood. Chicago Murder Map And Neighborhood Totals - 2022 Update

No.....the ones lying are joe and his buddies......trying to hide the fact that gang crime makes up the majority of murder in democrat party controlled cities.....and if you look into it, you will see the close connection between Chicago gangs and the democrat party.

Hey Jack Ass is another great site for Chicago murder rates.....they collect all of the information.

 

[2aguy]

/——-/ So everyone is lying about gang related murders. Even these guys who track it by neighborhood. Chicago Murder Map And Neighborhood Totals - 2022 Update

According to joe, those are all husbands murdering their wives because dinner was late.

 

[sealybobo]

Yes.....after jimmy carter and his mess, Reagan fixed the country, you doofus.....

You moron....

Real GDP per working-age adult, which had increased at only a 0.8 annual rate during the Carter administration, increased at a 1.8 percent rate during the Reagan administration. The increase in productivity growth was even higher: output per hour in the business sector, which had been roughly constant in the Carter years, increased at a 1.4 percent rate in the Reagan years. Productivityin the manufacturing sector increased at a 3.8 percent annual rate, a record for peacetime.

Most other economic conditions also improved. The unemployment rate declined from 7.0 percent in 1980 to 5.4 percent in 1988.

The inflation rate declined from 10.4 percent in 1980 to 4.2 percent in 1988.

The combination of conditions proved that there is no long-run trade-off between the unemployment rate and the inflation rate (see Phillips Curve). Other conditions were more mixed. The rate of new business formation increased sharply, but the rate of bank failures was the highest since the thirties. Real interest rates increased sharply, but inflation-adjusted prices of common stocks more than doubled.
------

At the end of the Reagan administration, the U.S. economy had experienced the longest peacetime expansion ever. The “stagflation” and “malaise” that plagued the U.S. economy from 1973 through 1980 were transformed by the Reagan economic program into a sustained period of higher growth and lower inflation.
----
Moreover, these changes were achieved at a much lower cost than was previously expected. Despite the large decline in marginal tax rates, for example, the federal revenue share of GDP declined only slightly. Similarly, the large reduction in the inflation rate was achieved without any long-term effect on the unemployment rate.

Reaganomics - Econlib

Reagan’s 1981 Program for Economic Recovery had four major policy objectives: (1) reduce the growth of government spending, (2) reduce the marginal tax rates on income from both labor and capital, (3) reduce regulation, and (4) reduce inflation by controlling the growth of the money supply.

www.econlib.org

How did he fix it? First of all, Jimmy didn't break it and Reagan didn't fix it. The Feds raised interest rates. When they did that it caused a lot of pain for a lot of people for a long time. And I'm sure you hope that pain puts Trump back in just like it helped Reagan.

Doesn't mean Trump or Republicans are going to do anything better. In fact Biden just had a report of 2.9% gdp? Before the Christmas bump? Biden is doing amazing....considering.

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ What part of gang-related homicides do you not understand?
For various reasons the total number of gang-related homicides appears to be about 11,500; while the total for the rest of us is about 3,000. Essentially, then; the percentage of gang-related homicides in the United States is about 74 percent – and rising as the number of murders among the general population declines.

And this is where he will cite a bogus stat that most murder is not gang related....but that is a fail because in crime reporting,

According to the Federal government, only 1700 - 2400 homicides a year are considered "Gang Related". And that's usually means, if someone had a brother in a gang, it was considered "Gang related".

National Youth Gang Survey Analysis: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems

The NGC conducted an annual survey of law enforcement agencies to assess the extent of gang problems. This page shows data measuring the extent of gang problems.

nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov

Most of the rest are domestic violence and acquaintance violence.

The homicide rate shot up in 2020. Why? Because most of us spent 24-7 locked up with family members we can barely stand a few hours a day. Of course, you had more homicides.

 

[JoeB131]

/——-/ So everyone is lying about gang related murders. Even these guys who track it by neighborhood. Chicago Murder Map And Neighborhood Totals - 2022 Update

Nope, the National Gang Center says that gang violence is only about 10% of all homicides.

According to joe, those are all husbands murdering their wives because dinner was late.

Or wives shooting husbands because they were cheating
Or neighbors shooting each other because the dog was shitting on their lawn.
Or idiots fighting over parking spaces after you dug your car out and put some chairs on the street. (A fine Chicago tradition)

Most gun violence is domestic... not gang related.

 

[2aguy]

According to the Federal government, only 1700 - 2400 homicides a year are considered "Gang Related". And that's usually means, if someone had a brother in a gang, it was considered "Gang related".

National Youth Gang Survey Analysis: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems

The NGC conducted an annual survey of law enforcement agencies to assess the extent of gang problems. This page shows data measuring the extent of gang problems.

nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov

Most of the rest are domestic violence and acquaintance violence.

The homicide rate shot up in 2020. Why? Because most of us spent 24-7 locked up with family members we can barely stand a few hours a day. Of course, you had more homicides.

And I gave you the reason for that low number....

Gangs and Violence​

Armstrong: Let’s turn to questions of where crime is coming from in our country. How much violent crime takes place in the subset of the population we would typically associate with the gang culture?


Kleck: In places like Chicago or Los Angeles, it’s a huge fraction of it. It varies enormously from place to place. It may well be that half or more of the gun homicides in those cities are gang related. But in most places in America, it’s a somewhat more modest fraction.


We don’t have national figures that are of any use. For what it’s worth, in the FBI uniform crime reports data, they do have a category for the circumstance in which the crime was committed. One possible box that local police can check in filling out the homicide reports for the FBI could indeed be for gang-related.

But the problem is that the FBI forms require police to check just one circumstance. So if a guy belongs to a gang, and he was selling drugs, and he has a dispute with his customer over the price, and then they get into an argument and one shoots the other, that could go into any of three or four different categories, only one of which is gang-related. So those data are useless.


What we’re stuck with are local estimates, and, as I say, it varies enormously from one locality to another. It’s a huge percentage in a couple of cities. Chicago and Los Angeles have really bad street-gang problems. On the other hand, in Peoria it’s probably a relatively small fraction, certainly well under half.

Criminologist Gary Kleck on Guns, Crime, and Their Study - Ari Armstrong

 

[2aguy]

Nope, the National Gang Center says that gang violence is only about 10% of all homicides.



Or wives shooting husbands because they were cheating
Or neighbors shooting each other because the dog was shitting on their lawn.
Or idiots fighting over parking spaces after you dug your car out and put some chairs on the street. (A fine Chicago tradition)

Most gun violence is domestic... not gang related.

Yeah....organized drug gangs shoot fewer people than husbands and wives do...

You are such a fucking moron....

 

[2aguy]

According to the Federal government, only 1700 - 2400 homicides a year are considered "Gang Related". And that's usually means, if someone had a brother in a gang, it was considered "Gang related".

National Youth Gang Survey Analysis: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems

The NGC conducted an annual survey of law enforcement agencies to assess the extent of gang problems. This page shows data measuring the extent of gang problems.

nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov

Most of the rest are domestic violence and acquaintance violence.

The homicide rate shot up in 2020. Why? Because most of us spent 24-7 locked up with family members we can barely stand a few hours a day. Of course, you had more homicides.

The murder rate went up in 2020 because of the democrat party policies going back to 2015....

1) They began an all out war on the police, causing the police to stop pro-active police work, retire and quit in massive numbers.

2) They began "Decarceration," where democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians began pushing no cash bail, and releasing the most dangerous and violent criminals over and over again....

And that was after the 7 months of blm and antifa brownshirts of the democrat party burned, looted, and murdered in black neighborhoods for 7 months.....and democrat party mayors telling their police to stand down.

 

[JoeB131]

Dick Tiny strikes again.

And I gave you the reason for that low number....

And I proved it was bullshit.

Yeah....organized drug gangs shoot fewer people than husbands and wives do...

You are such a fucking moron....

Uh, yeah, simply because there are more of them...

There are only 770,000 gang members in the US.

There are millions of miserable husbands and wives... It's why marriage should be avoided.

The murder rate went up in 2020 because of the democrat party policies going back to 2015....

1) They began an all out war on the police, causing the police to stop pro-active police work, retire and quit in massive numbers.

What all out war? We've actually INCREASED Police funding since 2015

2) They began "Decarceration," where democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians began pushing no cash bail, and releasing the most dangerous and violent criminals over and over again....

Um.. okay. So why are we holding people in jail who haven't been convicted of anything? The problem with Cash bail is that it's not punishing crime, it's punishing poverty. The only reason why someone should be locked up before conviction is if they are an immediate danger. If the judge is setting bail, then they don't see that person as a danger.

And that was after the 7 months of blm and antifa brownshirts of the democrat party burned, looted, and murdered in black neighborhoods for 7 months.....and democrat party mayors telling their police to stand down.

Blah, blah, blah... there were only 50 homicides linked to BLM demonstrations, guy. Most of those cops shooting demonstrators. 93% of the demonstrations were peaceful, and the times they weren't was when some right wing goons like Rittenhouse stirred up trouble.

 

[2aguy]

Dick Tiny strikes again.



And I proved it was bullshit.



Uh, yeah, simply because there are more of them...

There are only 770,000 gang members in the US.

There are millions of miserable husbands and wives... It's why marriage should be avoided.



What all out war? We've actually INCREASED Police funding since 2015

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Um.. okay. So why are we holding people in jail who haven't been convicted of anything? The problem with Cash bail is that it's not punishing crime, it's punishing poverty. The only reason why someone should be locked up before conviction is if they are an immediate danger. If the judge is setting bail, then they don't see that person as a danger.



Blah, blah, blah... there were only 50 homicides linked to BLM demonstrations, guy. Most of those cops shooting demonstrators. 93% of the demonstrations were peaceful, and the times they weren't was when some right wing goons like Rittenhouse stirred up trouble.

You are an idiot....

there were only 50 homicides linked to BLM demonstrations,


The democrat party brown shirts murdered 50 people.........you really are stupid....

 

[JoeB131]

You are an idiot....

there were only 50 homicides linked to BLM demonstrations,


The democrat party brown shirts murdered 50 people.........you really are stupid....

Actually, I was being generous. Most sources I've found put the death toll at 16-36. And that includes demonstrators killed by police.

MEANWHILE, the number of civilians killed by police - you know, the thing they were protesting - remained at over 1000 a year. 1143 in 2020, 1100 in 2021, 945 so far in 2022.

Mapping Police Violence

Official home of America's most comprehensive database of police violence. Get the facts about police brutality and how to address it.

mappingpoliceviolence.us

Violence and controversies during the George Floyd protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project analyzed more than 7,750 BLM demonstrations in all 50 states and D.C.

time.com

Fact check: More Black people died in 2019 police shootings than in George Floyd protests

Not all of the reported deaths happened at or during protests. Some occurred later and some happened apart from the protests.

www.usatoday.com

 

[2aguy]

Actually, I was being generous. Most sources I've found put the death toll at 16-36. And that includes demonstrators killed by police.

MEANWHILE, the number of civilians killed by police - you know, the thing they were protesting - remained at over 1000 a year. 1143 in 2020, 1100 in 2021, 945 so far in 2022.

Mapping Police Violence

Official home of America's most comprehensive database of police violence. Get the facts about police brutality and how to address it.

mappingpoliceviolence.us

Violence and controversies during the George Floyd protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project analyzed more than 7,750 BLM demonstrations in all 50 states and D.C.

time.com

Fact check: More Black people died in 2019 police shootings than in George Floyd protests

Not all of the reported deaths happened at or during protests. Some occurred later and some happened apart from the protests.

www.usatoday.com

Yes.....think about that....the brown shirts of the democrat party, blm and antifa urdered upwards of 50 people......during political violence to influence an election........you are an idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes.....think about that....the brown shirts of the democrat party, blm and antifa urdered upwards of 50 people......during political violence to influence an election........you are an idiot.

The Trump thugs murdered 5 people during the 1-6 riots, and you didn't have a problem with that.

If anything, the BLM riots probably helped Trump, as it scared white people into ignoring his failure on Covid and the Economy. But they were probably inevitable as long as we kept ignoring the issue of police misconduct.

 

[Hollie]

The Trump thugs murdered 5 people during the 1-6 riots, and you didn't have a problem with that.

If anything, the BLM riots probably helped Trump, as it scared white people into ignoring his failure on Covid and the Economy. But they were probably inevitable as long as we kept ignoring the issue of police misconduct.

''Trump thugs'' didn't murder anyone.

Cause of death released for 4 of 5 people at Capitol riot – but not Officer Brian Sicknick

The causes of death for four people who died at the Capitol riot have been released, but results are still pending for Capitol officer Brian Sicknick.

www.usatoday.com

Dr. Francisco Diaz, the district's chief medical examiner, announced the causes of deaths as:

• Ashli Babbitt, 35, died by homicide from a gunshot to the left shoulder. She was shot by a Capitol police officer while trying to climb through a door near the House chamber.

• Kevin Greeson, 55, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. Greeson, of Athens, Alabama, had a Twitter account in which he supported former President Donald Trump and profanely denounced his opponents.

• Benjamin Phillips, 50, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Phillips of Ringtown, Pennsylvania, was a computer programmer who founded a social media website for Trump supporters. He had organized a trip of several dozen people to the district.

• Roseanne Boyland, 34, died by accident from acute amphetamine intoxication. Boyland, of Georgia, wanted to be a sobriety counselor and followed QAnon conspiracies, her family said.




I'm afraid this is just another instance of your lies and falsehoods.

The most difficult aspect of dealing with leftists is this pathology that afflicts them. They have no sense of integrity that would cause them to deal honestly with others.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm afraid this is just another instance of your lies and falsehoods.

The most difficult aspect of dealing with leftists is this pathology that afflicts them. They have no sense of integrity that would cause them to deal honestly with others.

You left out the cop they killed.

All those people would still be alive if Trump hadn't instigated a riot.

 

[Hollie]

You left out the cop they killed.

All those people would still be alive if Trump hadn't instigated a riot.

You left out the part about your dishonest, hysterical rant being completely clueless and devoid of fact. Just another of your dishonest diatribes.

You left out the part about officer Sicknick dying of a stroke two days after the peaceful protest.

You left out the part about having no facts that Trump instigated any riot.

Literally everything in your posts in false, invented and / or just the hysterical ranting of a compulsive liar.