But....New Zealand banned guns...and felt morally superior....now their hospitals are filled with gun shot victims? Say What?

[Captain Caveman]

No, beause it is true. One of my best friends in New Zealand is a retired chief of police for Dunedin.

He keeps me well informed. Your information is that which the government feeds you, I get it unfiltered.

Cos you say so again, lol. The bovine excrement continues at a rapid pace

 

[bodecea]

When you outlaw guns, Kiwi outlaws will have guns.....

How is gun violence surging in New Zealand when they banned guns in an attempt to feel morally superior?

Where is that kiwi poster here on U.S.messageboard...care to explain how this is happening?

A worsening turf war between rival gangs and the criminal trade of illicit drugs has seen hundreds of shooting victims hospitalised across Auckland as the number of firearms in circulation grows.

The city's mayor says the rising tally of gun violence victims is a serious concern, with the bloodshed causing significant anxiety and undermining people's right to feel safe.

Figures released exclusively to the Herald by Auckland's three district health boards show the city's hospitals have treated nearly 350 patients for firearms injuries since January 2016.

Half of the victims were from Counties Manukau, with Middlemore Hospital patching up 171 patients. Thirteen children who'd been shot were cared for at Starship hospital.
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An innocent family was forced to flee their Māngere East home last month after they miraculously dodged more than 20 bullets fired at the property during a terrifying night-time shooting.

The house was left riddled with bullet holes. The incident is believed to be a case of mistaken identity.

Father of two Robert James Hart was shot and killed in broad daylight on a Great North Rd driveway last month, just metres from staff cleaning a neighbouring New Lynn motel. Four people have been charged with his murder.

Hundreds of shooting victims treated at Auckland's hospitals amid surging gun violence

"What do we do here because our families are being caught in the middle."

www.nzherald.co.nz

So, you're lying again...all for your fetish.

 

[Captain Caveman]

westwall see if you can answer post #61, sensibly. I doubt it but I thought I would give you a go.

 

[Captain Caveman]

westwall do you think it's sensible to have food hygiene laws and regulations in the food industry?

 

[westwall]

westwall see if you can answer post #61, sensibly. I doubt it but I thought I would give you a go.

In my perfect world there would be training for all gun owners. Free to those who can't afford it, but I would never make it a requirement because ultimately you create two classes of people, those who can afford guns, and those who can't.

Gun control is the ultimate form of classism. I don't want the US to turn into India where a billionaires compound, surrounded by armed guards with machineguns, is plopped right in the middle of a poor neighborhood.

A neighborhood of poor, unarmed victims for the criminals who have no problem getting guns.

Here's a question for you. Paris France has every gun law you want, plus more. Yet 4 assholes were able to murder 130 people in downtown Paris.

What makes you think that gun control laws do anything other than disarm the law abiding.

 

[Coyote]

but they all want to move here for some reason

I don’t think we have a mass migration from New Zealand coming over here….

 

[westwall]

I don’t think we have a mass migration from New Zealand coming over here….

That's because they have no money to leave.

 

[Coyote]

In my perfect world there would be training for all gun owners. Free to those who can't afford it, but I would never make it a requirement because ultimately you create two classes of people, those who can afford guns, and those who can't.

Why not make it FREE for EVERYONE then? Just like contraception should be. If people took gun ownership seriously, maybe there would be fewer accidental shootings. I was very intrigued by something NewsVine_Mariyam posted in another thread, on what she had to learn in order to get a conceal carry permit. As a right, this one carries far more responsibility and consequences than any other and should be treated accordingly.

 

[Coyote]

That's because they have no money to leave.

Or maybe because it is considered the 9th happiest country.

 

[Coyote]

^^^
This is a lie.

No. It isn’t. Our gun culture wants almost nothing hindering a person from obtaining a gun. Not a training requirement, not a background check, not even felony status or raising the minimum age (you can buy a gun but you can’t vote, drink or smoke or get a decent rate on auto insurance).

 

[Captain Caveman]

In my perfect world there would be training for all gun owners. Free to those who can't afford it, but I would never make it a requirement because ultimately you create two classes of people, those who can afford guns, and those who can't.

Gun control is the ultimate form of classism. I don't want the US to turn into India where a billionaires compound, surrounded by armed guards with machineguns, is plopped right in the middle of a poor neighborhood.

A neighborhood of poor, unarmed victims for the criminals who have no problem getting guns.

Here's a question for you. Paris France has every gun law you want, plus more. Yet 4 assholes were able to murder 130 people in downtown Paris.

What makes you think that gun control laws do anything other than disarm the law abiding.

I would say, having a car licence reduces incidents, having food hygiene regulations reduces food poisoning, having regulations with guns reduces gun incidents. In all three cases, people still die/injured from car accidents, people still die or suffer from salmonella, and people still die or injured from guns. In all three cases above, the regulations in each one reduces the deaths and injuries. Criminals still use cars, criminals sell spirits containing anti freeze, and criminals still use firearms. But it all three cases in most countries, it doesn't mean they want to get rid of driving test, food hygiene regulations, and firearm regulations.

You experienced crime rate in the U.S. at about 47.70 per 100,000 people. That's 0.0477%, yet you guys make out you're overwhelmed with criminals and guns. And the worse part for gun nuts, that's crime rate, not all crime involves a gun. So criminals with guns just does not wash, whatsoFUCKINGever, and apparently you're educated.

 

[Coyote]

What's your plan for getting criminals to submit to background checks?

That kind of argument always comes. But what about criminals…well, what ABOUT criminals?

They are still going to murder.
They are still going to assault.
They are still going to rape.
They are still going to scam.
They still going to whizz in the public fountains.

 

[Coyote]

"No"
- US Constitution

It isn’t in the Constitution. That is only one interpretation.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I think that in order to own a firearm you need to pass a test in basic gun safety, ethics,, and responsible handling, applicable laws, and show you can hit what you aim at.

The courts have already held that such testing requirements are un-Constitutional.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

When you outlaw guns, Kiwi outlaws will have guns.....

How is gun violence surging in New Zealand when they banned guns in an attempt to feel morally superior?

Where is that kiwi poster here on U.S.messageboard...care to explain how this is happening?

A worsening turf war between rival gangs and the criminal trade of illicit drugs has seen hundreds of shooting victims hospitalised across Auckland as the number of firearms in circulation grows.

The city's mayor says the rising tally of gun violence victims is a serious concern, with the bloodshed causing significant anxiety and undermining people's right to feel safe.

Figures released exclusively to the Herald by Auckland's three district health boards show the city's hospitals have treated nearly 350 patients for firearms injuries since January 2016.

Half of the victims were from Counties Manukau, with Middlemore Hospital patching up 171 patients. Thirteen children who'd been shot were cared for at Starship hospital.
---
An innocent family was forced to flee their Māngere East home last month after they miraculously dodged more than 20 bullets fired at the property during a terrifying night-time shooting.

The house was left riddled with bullet holes. The incident is believed to be a case of mistaken identity.

Father of two Robert James Hart was shot and killed in broad daylight on a Great North Rd driveway last month, just metres from staff cleaning a neighbouring New Lynn motel. Four people have been charged with his murder.

Hundreds of shooting victims treated at Auckland's hospitals amid surging gun violence

"What do we do here because our families are being caught in the middle."

www.nzherald.co.nz

The thread premise is a lie.

No one has claimed that a given firearm regulatory measure will stop all gun crime and violence.

 

[M14 Shooter]

People that cherry pick quotes can go and fuck off.

Ah. You don't have a meaningful response.
Got it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

New Zealand vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Rape rate, Crime levels, Intentional homicide rate, Murder rate per million people, Murder rate and 91 More Interesting Facts and Stats

www.nationmaster.com

New Zealand: 2.53
US: 32.57


Sounds like New Zealand is doing something right. What is the OP whining about?

The OP is a liar and being dishonest – advancing the lie that because gun crime and violence occurs in countries with aggressive firearm regulatory measures, those measures ‘don’t work.’

 

[M14 Shooter]

No. It isn’t. Our gun culture wants almost nothing hindering a person from obtaining a gun.

Even it -this- lie were true, it has nothing to do with the 'gun culture" preventing the safe handling and responsible use of firearms.
The NRA, for instance has innumerable training programs for the safe handling and responsible use for firearms, in contrast to the complete absence of same from "gun safety" organizations like Everytown and Moms Demand and Giffords and Brady.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It isn’t in the Constitution. That is only one interpretation.

And it's the interpretation consistent with the constitution applied to other rights.

 

[Toro]

When you outlaw guns, Kiwi outlaws will have guns.....

How is gun violence surging in New Zealand when they banned guns in an attempt to feel morally superior?

Where is that kiwi poster here on U.S.messageboard...care to explain how this is happening?

A worsening turf war between rival gangs and the criminal trade of illicit drugs has seen hundreds of shooting victims hospitalised across Auckland as the number of firearms in circulation grows.

The city's mayor says the rising tally of gun violence victims is a serious concern, with the bloodshed causing significant anxiety and undermining people's right to feel safe.

Figures released exclusively to the Herald by Auckland's three district health boards show the city's hospitals have treated nearly 350 patients for firearms injuries since January 2016.

Half of the victims were from Counties Manukau, with Middlemore Hospital patching up 171 patients. Thirteen children who'd been shot were cared for at Starship hospital.
---
An innocent family was forced to flee their Māngere East home last month after they miraculously dodged more than 20 bullets fired at the property during a terrifying night-time shooting.

The house was left riddled with bullet holes. The incident is believed to be a case of mistaken identity.

Father of two Robert James Hart was shot and killed in broad daylight on a Great North Rd driveway last month, just metres from staff cleaning a neighbouring New Lynn motel. Four people have been charged with his murder.

Hundreds of shooting victims treated at Auckland's hospitals amid surging gun violence

"What do we do here because our families are being caught in the middle."

www.nzherald.co.nz

Rate of Gun murders in the US > 5x rate of gun murders in New Zealand

math is hard for gun porn consumers Derp Derp Derp