Callous Conservatives, Time to wake up!

[bedowin62]

i see; you want to take credit for job creation but not the kind of job or what it pays?
how much SHOULD a burger flipper be paid leftard


idiots and hypocrites

If you want to own a business, you can't expect to do so without employees. High turnover is expensive, and not everyone can flip a burger and make it palatable, something a customer wants again and again.

If you've lived in an area for a long time you've seen businesses open and fail. Most small businesses fail and it's not a result of poor, lay or stupid employees. Sometimes a very good business is sold, and the name remains the same. In one trip it becomes obvious the product is different and not worth a return trip. It is especially noticeable in restaurants, poor quality, poor prep and poor presentation.

um actually YOU CAN expect to have a business with few or no employees. it is already happening with the fast food industry

 

[Lonestar_logic]

i see; you want to take credit for job creation but not the kind of job or what it pays?
how much SHOULD a burger flipper be paid leftard


idiots and hypocrites

If you want to own a business, you can't expect to do so without employees. High turnover is expensive, and not everyone can flip a burger and make it palatable, something a customer wants again and again.

If you've lived in an area for a long time you've seen businesses open and fail. Most small businesses fail and it's not a result of poor, lazy or stupid employees. Sometimes a very good business is sold, and the name remains the same. In one trip it becomes obvious the product is different and not worth a return trip. It is especially noticeable in restaurants; poor quality, poor prep and poor presentation.

You didn't answer the question, how much should a burger flipper be paid?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Raising the minimum wage, receiving a living wages, having health insurance and enough to save for the future are the unmet dreams of too many in America, and providing these meager things won't make it harder for those of us who play on our computers for hours each day

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

I didn't ask for something I learned about in high school, I asked for a fixed, definite number. Or are you incapable of counting past the number 10?

It's no wonder you can't get a job, few employers want to hire assholes.

You must have found the one of the "few" employers.

Cute.

 

[Dad2three]

i see; you want to take credit for job creation but not the kind of job or what it pays?
how much SHOULD a burger flipper be paid leftard


idiots and hypocrites

If you want to own a business, you can't expect to do so without employees. High turnover is expensive, and not everyone can flip a burger and make it palatable, something a customer wants again and again.

If you've lived in an area for a long time you've seen businesses open and fail. Most small businesses fail and it's not a result of poor, lazy or stupid employees. Sometimes a very good business is sold, and the name remains the same. In one trip it becomes obvious the product is different and not worth a return trip. It is especially noticeable in restaurants; poor quality, poor prep and poor presentation.

You didn't answer the question, how much should a burger flipper be paid?

Denmark MIN is about $21 an hour

Australia about $16 an hour


They STILL seem to make a profit?

 

[bedowin62]

we arent Denmark or Australia

you insist on making a fool of yourself all day long coming to the boards with spoon-fed propaganda in the form of charts and graphs that are meaningless

 

[Wry Catcher]

i see; you want to take credit for job creation but not the kind of job or what it pays?
how much SHOULD a burger flipper be paid leftard


idiots and hypocrites

If you want to own a business, you can't expect to do so without employees. High turnover is expensive, and not everyone can flip a burger and make it palatable, something a customer wants again and again.

If you've lived in an area for a long time you've seen businesses open and fail. Most small businesses fail and it's not a result of poor, lazy or stupid employees. Sometimes a very good business is sold, and the name remains the same. In one trip it becomes obvious the product is different and not worth a return trip. It is especially noticeable in restaurants; poor quality, poor prep and poor presentation.

You didn't answer the question, how much should a burger flipper be paid?

It depends on the business revenue. How much should a CEO be paid? Should it not depend on the success of the business? And if so, the contrabutions of other employees contribute to a successful business.

So in response the stupid question, it depends. Notice too, American teens are less and less seeking jobs in the fast food industry, tired of being exploited they have mostly moved on. Now the FF industry relies mostly on immigrants.

 

[Dad2three]

One year after voters in the City of SeaTac agreed to increase the minimum wage to $15 per hour, city leaders have noticed little impact on the overall economy.

An estimated 1,500 total workers saw their minimum wage increase under the new law. Around 400 actually live in the city limits.

City manager Todd Cutts says there has been no impact on sales tax or property tax, and no measurable change in the number of business licenses issued.

1 year after $15 minimum wage, little impact in SeaTac


How Raising The Minimum Wage To $15 Changed These Workers' Lives

Sammi Babakrkhil got a whopping 57 percent raise.

A valet attendant and shuttle driver at a parking company called MasterPark, Babakrkhil saw his base wage jump from $9.55 per hour, before tips, up to $15. Having scraped by in America since immigrating from Afghanistan 11 years ago, he suddenly faced the pleasant predicament as his co-workers: What to do with the windfall?

For the overworked father of three, it wasn't a hard question. Babakrkhil decided to quit his other full-time job driving shuttles at a hotel down the road. Though he'd take home less money overall, the pay hike at MasterPark would allow him to work 40 hours a week instead of a brutal 80 -- and to actually spend time with his wife and three young girls.



My kids used to not see me," said Babakrkhil, who notes that the new work arrangement has also afforded him time to start exercising. "Now I make a little bit less, but I'm enjoying my life ... I'm happy this way."


Babakrkhil's colleague Deyo Hirata, who also received a considerable raise, said he now frets less about making ends meet. Though he has always taken pride in his job and maintained a good relationship with his managers, he says the wage hike has made him feel better rewarded for his labor

How Raising The Minimum Wage To $15 Changed These Workers' Lives

 

[Wry Catcher]

we arent Denmark or Australia

you insist on making a fool of yourself all day long coming to the boards with spoon-fed propaganda in the form of charts and graphs that are meaningless

They are meaningless to you, not only because you don't understand them, for even if you could, you would claim they are bogus.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

i see; you want to take credit for job creation but not the kind of job or what it pays?
how much SHOULD a burger flipper be paid leftard


idiots and hypocrites

If you want to own a business, you can't expect to do so without employees. High turnover is expensive, and not everyone can flip a burger and make it palatable, something a customer wants again and again.

If you've lived in an area for a long time you've seen businesses open and fail. Most small businesses fail and it's not a result of poor, lazy or stupid employees. Sometimes a very good business is sold, and the name remains the same. In one trip it becomes obvious the product is different and not worth a return trip. It is especially noticeable in restaurants; poor quality, poor prep and poor presentation.

You didn't answer the question, how much should a burger flipper be paid?

Denmark MIN is about $21 an hour

Australia about $16 an hour


They STILL seem to make a profit?

We (318 million people) aren't Denmark (6 million people) or Australia (25 million people).

 

[bedowin62]

we arent Denmark or Australia

you insist on making a fool of yourself all day long coming to the boards with spoon-fed propaganda in the form of charts and graphs that are meaningless

They are meaningless to you, not only because you don't understand them, for even if you could, you would claim they are bogus.

thanks for putting words in my mouth leftard. what would you idiots do if you couldnt distort things?

i said what i said; we arent Denmark or Australia

 

[kaz]

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

There really is something wrong with you if you can't earn enough to live in this country with all the opportunity. As an employer, the overwhelming reason the ones not worth it aren't worth it is they don't care. They don't care about their jobs or their employers. They quit, they don't show up, they don't work when they are there. Then Democrats tell us we are the problem. Bull

There are jobs in this country that are not designed to be careers, they are called entry level jobs designed primarily for young people with no work experience, little skill and little knowledge. You can't expect an employer to pay top dollar for such an employee.

You and I may be on the same page but just looking at it differently.

I do expect an employer to treat employees fairly, not abuse them or exploit them. Some of these entry level jobs turn into careers for some, the reasons for that are myriad. To judge them as does Kaz without knowing the facts is asinine.

Your strawm-e-n are asinine. Care to address what I actually said, speed racer?

 

[kaz]

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

There really is something wrong with you if you can't earn enough to live in this country with all the opportunity. As an employer, the overwhelming reason the ones not worth it aren't worth it is they don't care. They don't care about their jobs or their employers. They quit, they don't show up, they don't work when they are there. Then Democrats tell us we are the problem. Bull

Maybe your employees don't care is because you don't care about them. I had an interesting (and for me a disgusting) conversation with the the owner of several Burger Kings. He's in the NFL Hall of Fame and pissed and moaned about his employees, kids mostly, just like you have.

I've built two companies and sold them. I took the industry mean and added 20 percent for the employees salary. I've never had turnover rates. I also advise my accountant to screw the IRS legally to the bone.

Wry doesn't know what he's talking about, he never does. But it's as big a favor to my employees to get rid of the bad ones as much as it is mine. They have to cover for them. I learned that the first time I fired an employee after giving him too many chances. My other employees when I fired him just asked me what took so long. That was when I was in corporate before I owned my own businesses.

Wry also being an idiot doesn't realize this wasn't the point I made

 

[Lonestar_logic]

One year after voters in the City of SeaTac agreed to increase the minimum wage to $15 per hour, city leaders have noticed little impact on the overall economy.

An estimated 1,500 total workers saw their minimum wage increase under the new law. Around 400 actually live in the city limits.

City manager Todd Cutts says there has been no impact on sales tax or property tax, and no measurable change in the number of business licenses issued.

1 year after $15 minimum wage, little impact in SeaTac


How Raising The Minimum Wage To $15 Changed These Workers' Lives

Sammi Babakrkhil got a whopping 57 percent raise.

A valet attendant and shuttle driver at a parking company called MasterPark, Babakrkhil saw his base wage jump from $9.55 per hour, before tips, up to $15. Having scraped by in America since immigrating from Afghanistan 11 years ago, he suddenly faced the pleasant predicament as his co-workers: What to do with the windfall?

For the overworked father of three, it wasn't a hard question. Babakrkhil decided to quit his other full-time job driving shuttles at a hotel down the road. Though he'd take home less money overall, the pay hike at MasterPark would allow him to work 40 hours a week instead of a brutal 80 -- and to actually spend time with his wife and three young girls.



My kids used to not see me," said Babakrkhil, who notes that the new work arrangement has also afforded him time to start exercising. "Now I make a little bit less, but I'm enjoying my life ... I'm happy this way."


Babakrkhil's colleague Deyo Hirata, who also received a considerable raise, said he now frets less about making ends meet. Though he has always taken pride in his job and maintained a good relationship with his managers, he says the wage hike has made him feel better rewarded for his labor

How Raising The Minimum Wage To $15 Changed These Workers' Lives

It changed a few peoples lives but hurt a few businesses as well. "The owner of Z Pizza says she’s being forced to close her doors, because she can’t afford the higher labor costs", some business has to lay off workers to meet the minimum wage demand, trimming staff hours, opening later closing earlier, raising prices all in an effort to meet the requirement. It seems to me it hurts more people than it helps.

 

[kaz]

Raising the minimum wage, receiving a living wages, having health insurance and enough to save for the future are the unmet dreams of too many in America, and providing these meager things won't make it harder for those of us who play on our computers for hours each day

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

There really is something wrong with you if you can't earn enough to live in this country with all the opportunity. As an employer, the overwhelming reason the ones not worth it aren't worth it is they don't care. They don't care about their jobs or their employers. They quit, they don't show up, they don't work when they are there. Then Democrats tell us we are the problem. Bull

JAN. 4, 2012

Harder for Americans to Rise From Lower Rungs

Benjamin Franklin did it. Henry Ford did it. And American life is built on the faith that others can do it, too: rise from humble origins to economic heights. “Movin’ on up,” George Jefferson-style, is not only a sitcom song but a civil religion.

But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Republican candidate for president, warned this fall that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review, a conservative thought leader, wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Even Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who argues that overall mobility remains high, recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=0

More modestly, you can at least clean yourself up and do a good job at work and become an assistant manager and keep going from there. Employers are always looking at who we can depend on, and we start looking with our own staff

 

[kaz]

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

people should care enough to be worth doing a job that pays for their basic needs. Employers should pay them what they are worth

My grandmother said this to me a lot when I was younger:

"When you want something bad enough, you'll get it yourself."

Democrats needed to have your grandmother

Well, she was a Democrat for 40 years. She saw the shitfest coming from miles away and decided to jump ship.

Yep, today's GOP base, voting against their own economic interests to support the billionaire class, the GOP goal!

Blah blah, corporations, blah blah, the rich, got it, Karl. Maybe if you got off your lazy ass and worked, that would do the trick too

 

[Dad2three]

i see; you want to take credit for job creation but not the kind of job or what it pays?
how much SHOULD a burger flipper be paid leftard


idiots and hypocrites

If you want to own a business, you can't expect to do so without employees. High turnover is expensive, and not everyone can flip a burger and make it palatable, something a customer wants again and again.

If you've lived in an area for a long time you've seen businesses open and fail. Most small businesses fail and it's not a result of poor, lazy or stupid employees. Sometimes a very good business is sold, and the name remains the same. In one trip it becomes obvious the product is different and not worth a return trip. It is especially noticeable in restaurants; poor quality, poor prep and poor presentation.

You didn't answer the question, how much should a burger flipper be paid?

Denmark MIN is about $21 an hour

Australia about $16 an hour


They STILL seem to make a profit?

We (318 million people) aren't Denmark (6 million people) or Australia (25 million people).

True, things like that can't be scaled up right? *shaking head*

 

[kaz]

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

There really is something wrong with you if you can't earn enough to live in this country with all the opportunity. As an employer, the overwhelming reason the ones not worth it aren't worth it is they don't care. They don't care about their jobs or their employers. They quit, they don't show up, they don't work when they are there. Then Democrats tell us we are the problem. Bull

Maybe your employees don't care is because you don't care about them. I had an interesting (and for me a disgusting) conversation with the the owner of several Burger Kings. He's in the NFL Hall of Fame and pissed and moaned about his employees, kids mostly, just like you have.

I've built two companies and sold them. I took the industry mean and added 20 percent for the employees salary. I've never had turnover rates. I also advise my accountant to screw the IRS legally to the bone.

That's a good recipe. I don't know how many employees that I heard from that wanted a pat on the back. I found that that was worth more than the money for some. The young workers today want accolades and locality and money and will jump ship for higher money somewhere else. They will learn..

Yeah, it works pretty well. I trust my employees to make good decisions. I trust the govt to make bad decisions, hence the reason to screw them out of every penny possible.

That's for sure. I'm doing contract work in the Netherlands for an evil corporation while my employees run the show in the Triangle of North Carolina. You hire the right ones and trust them and they'll do right by you. the government on the other hand does nothing but screw me and waste my time and money. I don't cheat on my taxes because I keep my eye on the sparrow, but I totally support those that do. Our government is a far greater threat to us than any foreign government ever has. It's sad liberals don't grasp that. It would be nice if Republicans grasped that. They love government too despite the rhetoric of the left

 

[bedowin62]

One year after voters in the City of SeaTac agreed to increase the minimum wage to $15 per hour, city leaders have noticed little impact on the overall economy.

An estimated 1,500 total workers saw their minimum wage increase under the new law. Around 400 actually live in the city limits.

City manager Todd Cutts says there has been no impact on sales tax or property tax, and no measurable change in the number of business licenses issued.

1 year after $15 minimum wage, little impact in SeaTac


How Raising The Minimum Wage To $15 Changed These Workers' Lives

Sammi Babakrkhil got a whopping 57 percent raise.

A valet attendant and shuttle driver at a parking company called MasterPark, Babakrkhil saw his base wage jump from $9.55 per hour, before tips, up to $15. Having scraped by in America since immigrating from Afghanistan 11 years ago, he suddenly faced the pleasant predicament as his co-workers: What to do with the windfall?

For the overworked father of three, it wasn't a hard question. Babakrkhil decided to quit his other full-time job driving shuttles at a hotel down the road. Though he'd take home less money overall, the pay hike at MasterPark would allow him to work 40 hours a week instead of a brutal 80 -- and to actually spend time with his wife and three young girls.



My kids used to not see me," said Babakrkhil, who notes that the new work arrangement has also afforded him time to start exercising. "Now I make a little bit less, but I'm enjoying my life ... I'm happy this way."


Babakrkhil's colleague Deyo Hirata, who also received a considerable raise, said he now frets less about making ends meet. Though he has always taken pride in his job and maintained a good relationship with his managers, he says the wage hike has made him feel better rewarded for his labor

How Raising The Minimum Wage To $15 Changed These Workers' Lives

It changed a few peoples lives but hurt a few businesses as well. "The owner of Z Pizza says she’s being forced to close her doors, because she can’t afford the higher labor costs", some business has to lay off workers to meet the minimum wage demand, trimming staff hours, opening later closing earlier, raising prices all in an effort to meet the requirement. It seems to me it hurts more people than it helps.

this loon quoted an entertainment industry publication to "prove' businesses in Seattle werent being hurt by the increased minimum wage. A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH and i was able to produce AN ARTICLE FROM THE SAME MAGAZINE SAYING THE OPPOSITE.

Dad2three is just regrugitating his spoon-fed meme

 

[Dad2three]

One year after voters in the City of SeaTac agreed to increase the minimum wage to $15 per hour, city leaders have noticed little impact on the overall economy.

An estimated 1,500 total workers saw their minimum wage increase under the new law. Around 400 actually live in the city limits.

City manager Todd Cutts says there has been no impact on sales tax or property tax, and no measurable change in the number of business licenses issued.

1 year after $15 minimum wage, little impact in SeaTac


How Raising The Minimum Wage To $15 Changed These Workers' Lives

Sammi Babakrkhil got a whopping 57 percent raise.

A valet attendant and shuttle driver at a parking company called MasterPark, Babakrkhil saw his base wage jump from $9.55 per hour, before tips, up to $15. Having scraped by in America since immigrating from Afghanistan 11 years ago, he suddenly faced the pleasant predicament as his co-workers: What to do with the windfall?

For the overworked father of three, it wasn't a hard question. Babakrkhil decided to quit his other full-time job driving shuttles at a hotel down the road. Though he'd take home less money overall, the pay hike at MasterPark would allow him to work 40 hours a week instead of a brutal 80 -- and to actually spend time with his wife and three young girls.



My kids used to not see me," said Babakrkhil, who notes that the new work arrangement has also afforded him time to start exercising. "Now I make a little bit less, but I'm enjoying my life ... I'm happy this way."


Babakrkhil's colleague Deyo Hirata, who also received a considerable raise, said he now frets less about making ends meet. Though he has always taken pride in his job and maintained a good relationship with his managers, he says the wage hike has made him feel better rewarded for his labor

How Raising The Minimum Wage To $15 Changed These Workers' Lives

It changed a few peoples lives but hurt a few businesses as well. "The owner of Z Pizza says she’s being forced to close her doors, because she can’t afford the higher labor costs", some business has to lay off workers to meet the minimum wage demand, trimming staff hours, opening later closing earlier, raising prices all in an effort to meet the requirement. It seems to me it hurts more people than it helps.

MORE right wing BS. Shocking. Hint if she closed her doors, GUARANTEED she had problems BEFORE they upped the min wage

Hurts more people? lol

EVERY TIME THE US TALKS ABOUT LIFTING THE MIN WAGE THE RIGHT WINGERS RUN AROUND CLAIMING THE SKY IS FALLING, BUT YET ONCE DONE, IT NEVER SEEMS TO HAVE HAPPENED. Costs increase ALL the time, a GOOD BIZ, ADJUSTS!

 

[Dad2three]

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

There really is something wrong with you if you can't earn enough to live in this country with all the opportunity. As an employer, the overwhelming reason the ones not worth it aren't worth it is they don't care. They don't care about their jobs or their employers. They quit, they don't show up, they don't work when they are there. Then Democrats tell us we are the problem. Bull

JAN. 4, 2012

Harder for Americans to Rise From Lower Rungs

Benjamin Franklin did it. Henry Ford did it. And American life is built on the faith that others can do it, too: rise from humble origins to economic heights. “Movin’ on up,” George Jefferson-style, is not only a sitcom song but a civil religion.

But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Republican candidate for president, warned this fall that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review, a conservative thought leader, wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Even Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who argues that overall mobility remains high, recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=0

More modestly, you can at least clean yourself up and do a good job at work and become an assistant manager and keep going from there. Employers are always looking at who we can depend on, and we start looking with our own staff

Yep, in the Kaz Klown Kar world, statics and history don't matter, it was someone just being a slob or lazy *shaking head*