Callous Conservatives, Time to wake up!

[LordBrownTrout]

Raising the minimum wage, receiving a living wages, having health insurance and enough to save for the future are the unmet dreams of too many in America, and providing these meager things won't make it harder for those of us who play on our computers for hours each day

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

There really is something wrong with you if you can't earn enough to live in this country with all the opportunity. As an employer, the overwhelming reason the ones not worth it aren't worth it is they don't care. They don't care about their jobs or their employers. They quit, they don't show up, they don't work when they are there. Then Democrats tell us we are the problem. Bull

Maybe your employees don't care is because you don't care about them. I had an interesting (and for me a disgusting) conversation with the the owner of several Burger Kings. He's in the NFL Hall of Fame and pissed and moaned about his employees, kids mostly, just like you have.

I've built two companies and sold them. I took the industry mean and added 20 percent for the employees salary. I've never had turnover rates. I also advise my accountant to screw the IRS legally to the bone.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Good grief. That you believe income inequality is okay and government has no role in social policy is, in a word, nuts.

Good grief. You ain't no Charlie Brown. You're Jack Ass. No matter how hard you kick, the football isn't there.

Do I think there's a disparity in income? Yes I do. Do I think it needs to be solved by crushing the backs of businesses by raising the minimum wage? No.

You are more concerned with the "social" impact, and not on the "real world" impact. There are 93 million people (like me) who want work but cannot find it. Yeah, sure, 15 bucks an hour will surely do the trick.

If you broadcast your attitude to prospective employers, I understand why you can't find a job.

The real world is different than the society in which we live? That's a very odd belief.

 

[Iceweasel]

Good grief. That you believe income inequality is okay

It's not only okay, it's great. Low achievers should make much less than high achievers. Of course the low achievers wants to dip into the other's pockets but society goes downhill when it caters to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Dad2three]

Raising the minimum wage, receiving a living wages, having health insurance and enough to save for the future are the unmet dreams of too many in America, and providing these meager things won't make it harder for those of us who play on our computers for hours each day

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

There really is something wrong with you if you can't earn enough to live in this country with all the opportunity. As an employer, the overwhelming reason the ones not worth it aren't worth it is they don't care. They don't care about their jobs or their employers. They quit, they don't show up, they don't work when they are there. Then Democrats tell us we are the problem. Bull

JAN. 4, 2012

Harder for Americans to Rise From Lower Rungs

Benjamin Franklin did it. Henry Ford did it. And American life is built on the faith that others can do it, too: rise from humble origins to economic heights. “Movin’ on up,” George Jefferson-style, is not only a sitcom song but a civil religion.

But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Republican candidate for president, warned this fall that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review, a conservative thought leader, wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Even Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who argues that overall mobility remains high, recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=0

 

[Papageorgio]

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

There really is something wrong with you if you can't earn enough to live in this country with all the opportunity. As an employer, the overwhelming reason the ones not worth it aren't worth it is they don't care. They don't care about their jobs or their employers. They quit, they don't show up, they don't work when they are there. Then Democrats tell us we are the problem. Bull

Maybe your employees don't care is because you don't care about them. I had an interesting (and for me a disgusting) conversation with the the owner of several Burger Kings. He's in the NFL Hall of Fame and pissed and moaned about his employees, kids mostly, just like you have.

I've built two companies and sold them. I took the industry mean and added 20 percent for the employees salary. I've never had turnover rates. I also advise my accountant to screw the IRS legally to the bone.

That's a good recipe. I don't know how many employees that I heard from that wanted a pat on the back. I found that that was worth more than the money for some. The young workers today want accolades and locality and money and will jump ship for higher money somewhere else. They will learn..

 

[Dad2three]

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

people should care enough to be worth doing a job that pays for their basic needs. Employers should pay them what they are worth

My grandmother said this to me a lot when I was younger:

"When you want something bad enough, you'll get it yourself."

Democrats needed to have your grandmother

Well, she was a Democrat for 40 years. She saw the shitfest coming from miles away and decided to jump ship.

Yep, today's GOP base, voting against their own economic interests to support the billionaire class, the GOP goal!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Raising the minimum wage, receiving a living wages, having health insurance and enough to save for the future are the unmet dreams of too many in America, and providing these meager things won't make it harder for those of us who play on our computers for hours each day

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

I didn't ask for something I learned about in high school, I asked for a fixed, definite number. Or are you incapable of counting past the number 10?

It's no wonder you can't get a job, few employers want to hire assholes.

 

[Dad2three]

Good grief. That you believe income inequality is okay

It's not only okay, it's great. Low achievers should make much less than high achievers. Of course the low achievers wants to dip into the other's pockets but society goes downhill when it caters to the lowest common denominator.

What Ever Happened To Upward Mobility?


Why the U.S. has become the land of less opportunity--and what we can do to revive the American Dream


America's story, our national mythology, is built on the idea of being an opportunity society. From the tales of Horatio Alger to the real lives of Henry Ford and Mark Zuckerberg, we have defined our country as a place where everyone, if he or she works hard enough, can get ahead. As Alexis de Tocqueville argued more than 150 years ago, it's this dream that enables Americans to tolerate much social inequality--this coming from a French aristocrat--in exchange for what we perceive as great dynamism and opportunity in our society. Modern surveys confirm what Tocqueville sensed back then: Americans care much...
What Ever Happened To Upward Mobility?



Most studies back up the idea that the U.S. has lost the upper hand for upward mobility to Europe and Canada over the last several decades. According to the Times story, 16% of Canadian men raised in the bottom tenth percentile of incomes were still there as adults. In the U.S., 22% remained in the bottom tenth.

 

[TemplarKormac]

If you broadcast your attitude to prospective employers, I understand why you can't find a job.

Hey, I found three. But hey, what can I say, you want people to live off of the government, not look for gainful employment.

 

[Papageorgio]

Raising the minimum wage, receiving a living wages, having health insurance and enough to save for the future are the unmet dreams of too many in America, and providing these meager things won't make it harder for those of us who play on our computers for hours each day

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

I didn't ask for something I learned about in high school, I asked for a fixed, definite number. Or are you incapable of counting past the number 10?

It's no wonder you can't get a job, few employers want to hire assholes.

You must have found the one of the "few" employers.

 

[bedowin62]

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

people should care enough to be worth doing a job that pays for their basic needs. Employers should pay them what they are worth

My grandmother said this to me a lot when I was younger:

"When you want something bad enough, you'll get it yourself."

Democrats needed to have your grandmother

Well, she was a Democrat for 40 years. She saw the shitfest coming from miles away and decided to jump ship.

Yep, today's GOP base, voting against their own economic interests to support the billionaire class, the GOP goal!

under obama the very richest got RICHER, the POOREST GOT POORER.
BOTH got richer and poorer AT A FASTER PACE UNDER OBAMA/DEMS then they were getting under Bush and Republicans

so who votes against their own interests left-wing nutjob??

 

[bedowin62]

Good grief. That you believe income inequality is okay

It's not only okay, it's great. Low achievers should make much less than high achievers. Of course the low achievers wants to dip into the other's pockets but society goes downhill when it caters to the lowest common denominator.

What Ever Happened To Upward Mobility?


Why the U.S. has become the land of less opportunity--and what we can do to revive the American Dream


America's story, our national mythology, is built on the idea of being an opportunity society. From the tales of Horatio Alger to the real lives of Henry Ford and Mark Zuckerberg, we have defined our country as a place where everyone, if he or she works hard enough, can get ahead. As Alexis de Tocqueville argued more than 150 years ago, it's this dream that enables Americans to tolerate much social inequality--this coming from a French aristocrat--in exchange for what we perceive as great dynamism and opportunity in our society. Modern surveys confirm what Tocqueville sensed back then: Americans care much...
What Ever Happened To Upward Mobility?



Most studies back up the idea that the U.S. has lost the upper hand for upward mobility to Europe and Canada over the last several decades. According to the Times story, 16% of Canadian men raised in the bottom tenth percentile of incomes were still there as adults. In the U.S., 22% remained in the bottom tenth.

all left-wing losers know how to do is complain how terrible things are; without ever positing how come their Progressive agenda has NOT affected the "change" they strive for; or even admitting how their OWN POLICIES led to the conditions they cry about

 

[Dad2three]

RECORD Corp profits, lowest sustained tax "burden" on job creators since before the GOP great depression on the 1920's, lowest labor costs EVER and it's Obama's fault Corps aren't hiring enough or paying a living wage?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

There really is something wrong with you if you can't earn enough to live in this country with all the opportunity. As an employer, the overwhelming reason the ones not worth it aren't worth it is they don't care. They don't care about their jobs or their employers. They quit, they don't show up, they don't work when they are there. Then Democrats tell us we are the problem. Bull

Maybe your employees don't care is because you don't care about them. I had an interesting (and for me a disgusting) conversation with the the owner of several Burger Kings. He's in the NFL Hall of Fame and pissed and moaned about his employees, kids mostly, just like you have.

I've built two companies and sold them. I took the industry mean and added 20 percent for the employees salary. I've never had turnover rates. I also advise my accountant to screw the IRS legally to the bone.

That's a good recipe. I don't know how many employees that I heard from that wanted a pat on the back. I found that that was worth more than the money for some. The young workers today want accolades and locality and money and will jump ship for higher money somewhere else. They will learn..

Yeah, it works pretty well. I trust my employees to make good decisions. I trust the govt to make bad decisions, hence the reason to screw them out of every penny possible.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Raising the minimum wage, receiving a living wages, having health insurance and enough to save for the future are the unmet dreams of too many in America, and providing these meager things won't make it harder for those of us who play on our computers for hours each day

No, that is asking government to live our lives for us. We rise and fall on our own merits, our own circumstances. It isn't government's place to change those circumstances. Government cannot play God, nor can it alter the human condition.

What exactly is a "living wage" anyway? Isn't that nothing more than a buzzword? How do you define a "living wage?" What's the limit, Wry? How high must you go before you'll call it a "living wage?"

High enough perhaps that you force business to cut workers to keep in the black? Is it such that it is enough to compel a global food franchise to resort to automation to serve its customers?

You want people to live on reasonable wages, yet, I sense you have no idea what's reasonable, now do you?

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

See number 1 on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and think about all five on the list:

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Should an employer pay a person a living wage even if that person is uneducated, inexperienced and/or untrustworthy?

Of course not, he should fire himself or his HR person if he hired someone untrustworthy. Most jobs require OJT, unless hired on a lateral basis, and need to be educated on the job, the expectations of the boss and immediate supervisor.

The first step is a description of the job in the hiring announcement, the salary range and any opportunity for advancement. One can't expect someone who can't use a keyboard to come aboard and then be job ready.

Thus, tuition free community college, consider it to be the 13th and 14th grade, is a good means to create job ready individuals.

 

[bedowin62]

RECORD Corp profits, lowest sustained tax "burden" on job creators since before the GOP great depression on the 1920's, lowest labor costs EVER and it's Obama's fault Corps aren't hiring enough or paying a living wage?

Dems have spent most of the LAST SEVEN YEARS AS A MAJORITY OF THE GOVERNMENT

if it isnt your fault who's is it idiot?

 

[bedowin62]

i see; you want to take credit for job creation but not the kind of job or what it pays?
how much SHOULD a burger flipper be paid leftard


idiots and hypocrites

 

[bedowin62]

is there a left-wing idiot alive willling to take any responsibility for corporations moving offshore?

 

[Wry Catcher]

A living wage is one which provides enough income to take care of basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, health care and some left over to save/invest for retirement.

That's the thinking of a child, and it's why you need government over sight. Houses, clothing health care needs all are highly variable to the individuals. Most grown ups make a living wage, look around, the evidence is everywhere. If you're starting out in life you need to do what people have always done, find room mates and share expenses. Or go move to a socialist country and drag them down.

You really are myopic. Not all adults earn a living wage, some earn nothing at all. Some are homeless and sleep in cars and even tents. Some made poor decisions, some lost everything do to an illness or injury - to themselves or a loved one. Some lost a home due to predatory lending and the balloon payment the lender guaranteed (not in writing) not to worry about, because, "home prices always rise".

Maybe you should consider moving to a fascist country, hell you could work in one of the camps helping the poor and their children into the showers. Admit that isn't you ideal job.

 

[Wry Catcher]

i see; you want to take credit for job creation but not the kind of job or what it pays?
how much SHOULD a burger flipper be paid leftard


idiots and hypocrites

If you want to own a business, you can't expect to do so without employees. High turnover is expensive, and not everyone can flip a burger and make it palatable, something a customer wants again and again.

If you've lived in an area for a long time you've seen businesses open and fail. Most small businesses fail and it's not a result of poor, lazy or stupid employees. Sometimes a very good business is sold, and the name remains the same. In one trip it becomes obvious the product is different and not worth a return trip. It is especially noticeable in restaurants; poor quality, poor prep and poor presentation.