Can any conservative answer this?

[forkup]

You assume that:
1. The tax code that he used actually needs to be changed.
2. You somehow tie that to his supporters belief that he will look out for them but you fail to make a logical connection between the two. There are many ways he can help the average man that don't include taxes.
3. You have no proof except your prejudices against him the it is clear he only looks out for himself. When he was a private citizen and businessman, he was t required to look after anyone but his business.

You asked the question, we conservatives answered it, you don't like the answer well, we can't help you there.

1. Again I've showed you what Trumps site said about taxes. "ensure the rich will pay there fair share","eliminate special interest loopholes". Not my words, but those of his site. So either Trump feels that for super rich people fair share means 0, or he feels only he should be the exception among the super rich and pay 0. And special interest loopholes should be closed except for his type of business. So using that argument makes Trump a liar or self serving.
2. His interest and those of the average American aren't the same, I tie it together because of the ridiculousness of losing almost a billion dollars and still being able to continue, when I've seen friends lose their houses because they couldn't pay their mortgages. And turning now to a businessman of his morality for a solution.
3.
This shows his unwillingness to cut the ties between him and his business
Before anyone recites Trump’s “America is more important than the Trump Organization” shtick, take a look at what he has done during his candidacy: Repeatedly, he has shown that he is more concerned about his company than he is with either his campaign or the international economy. When a majority in the U.K. voted in favor of leaving the European Union, the value of the pound collapsed. On that day, Trump was in Turnberry, Scotland, presiding over the opening ceremony for a new Trump golf course.

Asked about the vote to leave, known as Brexit, Trump spoke not of the global economic chaos set off by the event, but of the benefits to his golf resort. “When the pound goes down, more people are coming to Turnberry,” he said.
One of dozens of examples when he chooses his business over the role as a potential president.

1. He only paid zero when he lost almost a billion dollars. Sorry, you have no logical connection between reality and what you are posting.
2. False comparison. Because he is a smart businessman who takes risks and can lose but still recover is not negated by your friends who cannot do the same. The fact that they look to him for help is natural and smart. If he can do it, it inspires others. He is in fact, if he does what he says, someone who can help the average guy.
3. In case you haven't figured it out, he isn't POTUS yet. If he doesn't get elected, he still has a business. Is he supposed to let it go to hell while he runs for office? You cannot logically make the conclusion you are trying to make.

1. Really???
Donald Trump claimed $916 million in losses from his businesses in 1995, including losses from earlier that were carried forward. Thus, he did not pay taxes that year, and probably did not for many years thereafter. Trump also did not pay federal income taxes in 1978, 1979, or1984, and most likely did not in 1991 or 1993.

That is the sum total of what we know about Trump’s income tax payments. So only seems to include quite a lot of years.
2. Lol. It's like a sardine asking a shark for help. His contempt for the average man is well documented and only half-heartedly denied by Trump himself.Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

3. I've asked this in almost every post to you. Please make your case, why you think he will change his allegiance as POTUS? He clearly doesn't want to give control of it away even when he is POTUS. What will make him stop favouring or even actively work against his business interest. What incentive you think he will have to do that?

1. Did you pay more taxes than you actually owed? Why should he? Unless you are saying he owed taxes and didn't pay the which is highly doubtful since he gets audited every year. You start again with a false assumption and try to make truth out of it. Again you fail.
2. His so called contempt is cherry picked out of context and has nothing to do with now. Do I think he will do anything for me? Idk. I do know that Hillary will do many bad things to me. You ask why Trumps people think he will, perhaps they don't think he will but compared to Hillary, he's their best bet.
3. Ask all you want to and my answer will always be the same. You are coming from the absolutely false assumption that what is good for his business is bad for everyone else.

1.I'm not making false assumptions, you deliberately change the premise of the argument. My argument is not about the legality or the sense it makes to pay as little taxes as possibility. My argument is about the fairness, but more importantly about the unlikeliness that Trump will change the tax code.
2. Really? Not anything to do with now? You feel there is absolutely no validity, in predicting people's future actions by examining their past behavior? Please provide me a valid context, so it becomes acceptable using your superior financial position to get out of paying full price for services rendered? These are not isolated incidents and the fact that he even tantamountedly admitted to it being a business practice he employs during the Clinton debate makes, your excuses kind of dishonest.
3. The false assumption you are making is that what's good for his business is good for everybody else. Business and the interest of the common man aren't one and the same. The banking crisis being a perfect example of that. There has been extensive research done in trying to expose the numerous possible conflicts of interest a Trump presidency would entail. Unless you somehow are capable of supporting your claim that he will come out on the side of the country's best interests denying they would exist is also dishonest.
http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081?rm=eu

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Where do you get your information? Do you prepare Trump's taxes? Are you in the inner circle and blowing the whistle?

I actually got it from Trump himself and it is confirmed again by this latest report. Its around the 50 second mark.

I do notice you haven't answered either of my questions.

So let me get this straight...you're trying to convince us you'd gladly over pay if you were in Trumps position?

I would gladly pay something.

So your saying you'd just give away money for no reason other than you're so kind hearted?

More like patriotic.
Not give away. Pay something or at least give a nice chunk to charity.

The guy pays plenty of taxes,and he puts people to work.

 

[Correll]

You know what I find funny about all these tax stories. Trump claims when he gets elected he will fix the tax code, which has clearly benefitted him and his ilk. His surrogates call him a genius when it comes out he didn't pay his fair, or more likely any share of his due. So tell me conservatives why do you guys feel. One he represents the average man and two do you truly believe he'll do anything to harm his own bottom line if he gets elected?Trump’s Claim of $916 Million Loss Shows He’s a ‘Genius’: Rudy Giuliani

Everyone who pays taxes does what they can to lower them.

The attempt by the left to pretend otherwise is just more dishonesty.


The motivations of a President are very different from the motivations of a CEO.

Your pretense to not understand that is not credible. You are playing gotcha games that don't stand up to any thought.

Answered this one too.

1.My assumptions aren't taking out of thin air. For instance it has been documented that Trump has used donor money to line his own pockets.5 Ways Donald Trump Is Making Money Off His Own Campaign. I'm pretty sure this isn't illegal but it's pretty clearly unethical and gives a clear indication that at least as a candidate he sees his loyalty in the first place still to his business and not to the donors. What makes you think this will change?

You know what I find funny about all these tax stories. Trump claims when he gets elected he will fix the tax code, which has clearly benefitted him and his ilk. His surrogates call him a genius when it comes out he didn't pay his fair, or more likely any share of his due. So tell me conservatives why do you guys feel. One he represents the average man and two do you truly believe he'll do anything to harm his own bottom line if he gets elected?Trump’s Claim of $916 Million Loss Shows He’s a ‘Genius’: Rudy Giuliani

Everyone who pays taxes does what they can to lower them.

The attempt by the left to pretend otherwise is just more dishonesty.


The motivations of a President are very different from the motivations of a CEO.

Your pretense to not understand that is not credible. You are playing gotcha games that don't stand up to any thought.

Answered this one too.

1.My assumptions aren't taking out of thin air. For instance it has been documented that Trump has used donor money to line his own pockets.5 Ways Donald Trump Is Making Money Off His Own Campaign. I'm pretty sure this isn't illegal but it's pretty clearly unethical and gives a clear indication that at least as a candidate he sees his loyalty in the first place still to his business and not to the donors. What makes you think this will change?

YOu did not address my point about everyone tries to lower their taxes.


Your linked article is the worst type of partisan pap, that only a hard core coolaid drinker would consider supporting evidence.


Technically, it did address my point about motivations changing, but it's claims were absurd. Complaining the Trump pays for Tacos at his own restaurant is hardly a serious argument.



I think that a President Trump will want to be re-elected and will want to go down in history as a successful president, that will be more important than money.

I actually have addressed that point a few times before in this OP,just not to you personally. I don't, not even for a second claim that paying as little taxes as possible is not something that everybody shares. What I claim is that then claiming you will change those laws ,rings hollow the premise of this post. You are right the tacos are ridiculous. Using an aging yet with horrible fuel efficiency isn't, buying your own book isn't either, or tripling the rent you charge your OWN campaign once you stop being self funded. Ethically it seems to me that candidate Trump should try to spend his donor money is frugaly as possible but this is clearly not the case.

1. Your op certainly spun it as though it was wrong of Trump to pay less than his "fair share". I will accept that you have dropped that point, but do not continue to allude to it in the future.


2. Playing by the rules, even benefiting from the rules, does not mean that in the future, when you might be in charge of the rules that you will not change the rules. YOur claim that it "rings hollow" is merely you not liking Trump.

3. Equating using a inefficient jet with enriching himself is not reasonable.

4. Your attempt to equate lack of frugality with self enrichment is not valid.

5. And my point about motivations changing still stands.

 

[Correll]

You assume that:
1. The tax code that he used actually needs to be changed.
2. You somehow tie that to his supporters belief that he will look out for them but you fail to make a logical connection between the two. There are many ways he can help the average man that don't include taxes.
3. You have no proof except your prejudices against him the it is clear he only looks out for himself. When he was a private citizen and businessman, he was t required to look after anyone but his business.

You asked the question, we conservatives answered it, you don't like the answer well, we can't help you there.

1. Again I've showed you what Trumps site said about taxes. "ensure the rich will pay there fair share","eliminate special interest loopholes". Not my words, but those of his site. So either Trump feels that for super rich people fair share means 0, or he feels only he should be the exception among the super rich and pay 0. And special interest loopholes should be closed except for his type of business. So using that argument makes Trump a liar or self serving.
2. His interest and those of the average American aren't the same, I tie it together because of the ridiculousness of losing almost a billion dollars and still being able to continue, when I've seen friends lose their houses because they couldn't pay their mortgages. And turning now to a businessman of his morality for a solution.
3.
This shows his unwillingness to cut the ties between him and his business
Before anyone recites Trump’s “America is more important than the Trump Organization” shtick, take a look at what he has done during his candidacy: Repeatedly, he has shown that he is more concerned about his company than he is with either his campaign or the international economy. When a majority in the U.K. voted in favor of leaving the European Union, the value of the pound collapsed. On that day, Trump was in Turnberry, Scotland, presiding over the opening ceremony for a new Trump golf course.

Asked about the vote to leave, known as Brexit, Trump spoke not of the global economic chaos set off by the event, but of the benefits to his golf resort. “When the pound goes down, more people are coming to Turnberry,” he said.
One of dozens of examples when he chooses his business over the role as a potential president.

1. He only paid zero when he lost almost a billion dollars. Sorry, you have no logical connection between reality and what you are posting.
2. False comparison. Because he is a smart businessman who takes risks and can lose but still recover is not negated by your friends who cannot do the same. The fact that they look to him for help is natural and smart. If he can do it, it inspires others. He is in fact, if he does what he says, someone who can help the average guy.
3. In case you haven't figured it out, he isn't POTUS yet. If he doesn't get elected, he still has a business. Is he supposed to let it go to hell while he runs for office? You cannot logically make the conclusion you are trying to make.

1. Really???
Donald Trump claimed $916 million in losses from his businesses in 1995, including losses from earlier that were carried forward. Thus, he did not pay taxes that year, and probably did not for many years thereafter. Trump also did not pay federal income taxes in 1978, 1979, or1984, and most likely did not in 1991 or 1993.

That is the sum total of what we know about Trump’s income tax payments. So only seems to include quite a lot of years.
2. Lol. It's like a sardine asking a shark for help. His contempt for the average man is well documented and only half-heartedly denied by Trump himself.Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

3. I've asked this in almost every post to you. Please make your case, why you think he will change his allegiance as POTUS? He clearly doesn't want to give control of it away even when he is POTUS. What will make him stop favouring or even actively work against his business interest. What incentive you think he will have to do that?

1. Did you pay more taxes than you actually owed? Why should he? Unless you are saying he owed taxes and didn't pay the which is highly doubtful since he gets audited every year. You start again with a false assumption and try to make truth out of it. Again you fail.
2. His so called contempt is cherry picked out of context and has nothing to do with now. Do I think he will do anything for me? Idk. I do know that Hillary will do many bad things to me. You ask why Trumps people think he will, perhaps they don't think he will but compared to Hillary, he's their best bet.
3. Ask all you want to and my answer will always be the same. You are coming from the absolutely false assumption that what is good for his business is bad for everyone else.

1.I'm not making false assumptions, you deliberately change the premise of the argument. My argument is not about the legality or the sense it makes to pay as little taxes as possibility. My argument is about the fairness, but more importantly about the unlikeliness that Trump will change the tax code.
2. Really? Not anything to do with now? You feel there is absolutely no validity, in predicting people's future actions by examining their past behavior? Please provide me a valid context, so it becomes acceptable using your superior financial position to get out of paying full price for services rendered? These are not isolated incidents and the fact that he even tantamountedly admitted to it being a business practice he employs during the Clinton debate makes, your excuses kind of dishonest.
3. The false assumption you are making is that what's good for his business is good for everybody else. Business and the interest of the common man aren't one and the same. The banking crisis being a perfect example of that. There has been extensive research done in trying to expose the numerous possible conflicts of interest a Trump presidency would entail. Unless you somehow are capable of supporting your claim that he will come out on the side of the country's best interests denying they would exist is also dishonest.
Donald Trump's foreign ties may conflict with U.S. national security interests

1. As I suspected. YOu admit that everyone tries to lower his taxes, yet you claim it is "unfair" in this post.

2. Past actions should be considered in the light of his responsibilities of that time compared to his responsibilities of the future. Ignoring that he would be answering to different people with different expectations, and judged by different parameters, is you AVOIDING valid context.

 

[Correll]

You assume that:
1. The tax code that he used actually needs to be changed.
2. You somehow tie that to his supporters belief that he will look out for them but you fail to make a logical connection between the two. There are many ways he can help the average man that don't include taxes.
3. You have no proof except your prejudices against him the it is clear he only looks out for himself. When he was a private citizen and businessman, he was t required to look after anyone but his business.

You asked the question, we conservatives answered it, you don't like the answer well, we can't help you there.

1. Again I've showed you what Trumps site said about taxes. "ensure the rich will pay there fair share","eliminate special interest loopholes". Not my words, but those of his site. So either Trump feels that for super rich people fair share means 0, or he feels only he should be the exception among the super rich and pay 0. And special interest loopholes should be closed except for his type of business. So using that argument makes Trump a liar or self serving.
2. His interest and those of the average American aren't the same, I tie it together because of the ridiculousness of losing almost a billion dollars and still being able to continue, when I've seen friends lose their houses because they couldn't pay their mortgages. And turning now to a businessman of his morality for a solution.
3.
This shows his unwillingness to cut the ties between him and his business
Before anyone recites Trump’s “America is more important than the Trump Organization” shtick, take a look at what he has done during his candidacy: Repeatedly, he has shown that he is more concerned about his company than he is with either his campaign or the international economy. When a majority in the U.K. voted in favor of leaving the European Union, the value of the pound collapsed. On that day, Trump was in Turnberry, Scotland, presiding over the opening ceremony for a new Trump golf course.

Asked about the vote to leave, known as Brexit, Trump spoke not of the global economic chaos set off by the event, but of the benefits to his golf resort. “When the pound goes down, more people are coming to Turnberry,” he said.
One of dozens of examples when he chooses his business over the role as a potential president.

1. He only paid zero when he lost almost a billion dollars. Sorry, you have no logical connection between reality and what you are posting.
2. False comparison. Because he is a smart businessman who takes risks and can lose but still recover is not negated by your friends who cannot do the same. The fact that they look to him for help is natural and smart. If he can do it, it inspires others. He is in fact, if he does what he says, someone who can help the average guy.
3. In case you haven't figured it out, he isn't POTUS yet. If he doesn't get elected, he still has a business. Is he supposed to let it go to hell while he runs for office? You cannot logically make the conclusion you are trying to make.

1. Really???
Donald Trump claimed $916 million in losses from his businesses in 1995, including losses from earlier that were carried forward. Thus, he did not pay taxes that year, and probably did not for many years thereafter. Trump also did not pay federal income taxes in 1978, 1979, or1984, and most likely did not in 1991 or 1993.

That is the sum total of what we know about Trump’s income tax payments. So only seems to include quite a lot of years.
2. Lol. It's like a sardine asking a shark for help. His contempt for the average man is well documented and only half-heartedly denied by Trump himself.Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

3. I've asked this in almost every post to you. Please make your case, why you think he will change his allegiance as POTUS? He clearly doesn't want to give control of it away even when he is POTUS. What will make him stop favouring or even actively work against his business interest. What incentive you think he will have to do that?

1. is irrelevant.

2. is your unsupported opinion.

3. and 3 I have already answered. His motivation as President will be different than his motivation as CEO.

1. Is the premise of the OP
2. It's my opinion, but unsupported? I give links, including youtube videos, Even Trumps quotes himself. The ability of Trump and apparently his supporters to deny, truly is a sight to see. This is Trump verbatim during the debate and before.
‘I love to hold back and negotiate when people don’t do good work,’” he told the paper. “ ‘If they do a good job, I won’t cut them at all. . . . It’s probably 1,000 to one where I pay.’”

But at the debate he went on to make another point. “First of all, they did get paid a lot,” he said. “But I take advantage of the laws of the nation because I’m running a company. My obligation right now is to do well for myself, my family, my employees, for my companies. And that’s what I do.”
3.Talk about an UNSUPPORTED opinion. I can and have supported my opinion why I believe he will put his business first. Still waiting for anyone to support their opinion that he will stop doing that if he becomes president.

1. You have admitted that everyone does what they can to lower their tax bill. THus discussing the fact that Trump has employed tax law to lower his tax bill is irrelevant. YOu are still trying to smear him as unfair, AFTER you have admitted that it was not.

2. After the quality of you first link, I am not watching a video you link to. Provide transcripts and not of other people who are just expressing their unsupported opinion of Trump.

3. You have not supported your opinion. YOu have repeatedly stated it, and ignored contrary arguments against that viewpoint. That is the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion, and is invalid.

 

[Correll]

You don't think there is a difference between your average household who pays no federal income tax and someone like Trump paying none? And again where is the incentive for Trump to change anything?

Not really. I own a small corporation and I sent my daughter to colleged to become a tax attorney and CPA for the express purpose of looking after the family business in tax consequence. Any individual who pays zero taxes themselves yet receives a refund of someone else's money is a leech.

Any individual who pays zero taxes themselves yet receives a refund of someone else's money is a leech.

WTF?

Firstly, if you paid no tax, there is nothing to refund.

Second, you can't get a refund of, "someone else's money".

Firstly, if you paid no tax, there is nothing to refund.

There is the EITC.

Second, you can't get a refund of, "someone else's money".

When you send in your tax return, some people owe, some people "get a refund".
Sometimes the refund gives you some or all of the taxes you paid.
With the EITC, it is possible for your refund to include all the taxes you paid plus additional money you did not pay.

In very few cases among the lowest income earners who qualify.

Do you really want to compare them to Trump?

Hmmm, changing you story now.

He probably found out that he was factually wrong.

 

[PredFan]

You assume that:
1. The tax code that he used actually needs to be changed.
2. You somehow tie that to his supporters belief that he will look out for them but you fail to make a logical connection between the two. There are many ways he can help the average man that don't include taxes.
3. You have no proof except your prejudices against him the it is clear he only looks out for himself. When he was a private citizen and businessman, he was t required to look after anyone but his business.

You asked the question, we conservatives answered it, you don't like the answer well, we can't help you there.

1. Again I've showed you what Trumps site said about taxes. "ensure the rich will pay there fair share","eliminate special interest loopholes". Not my words, but those of his site. So either Trump feels that for super rich people fair share means 0, or he feels only he should be the exception among the super rich and pay 0. And special interest loopholes should be closed except for his type of business. So using that argument makes Trump a liar or self serving.
2. His interest and those of the average American aren't the same, I tie it together because of the ridiculousness of losing almost a billion dollars and still being able to continue, when I've seen friends lose their houses because they couldn't pay their mortgages. And turning now to a businessman of his morality for a solution.
3.
This shows his unwillingness to cut the ties between him and his business
Before anyone recites Trump’s “America is more important than the Trump Organization” shtick, take a look at what he has done during his candidacy: Repeatedly, he has shown that he is more concerned about his company than he is with either his campaign or the international economy. When a majority in the U.K. voted in favor of leaving the European Union, the value of the pound collapsed. On that day, Trump was in Turnberry, Scotland, presiding over the opening ceremony for a new Trump golf course.

Asked about the vote to leave, known as Brexit, Trump spoke not of the global economic chaos set off by the event, but of the benefits to his golf resort. “When the pound goes down, more people are coming to Turnberry,” he said.
One of dozens of examples when he chooses his business over the role as a potential president.

1. He only paid zero when he lost almost a billion dollars. Sorry, you have no logical connection between reality and what you are posting.
2. False comparison. Because he is a smart businessman who takes risks and can lose but still recover is not negated by your friends who cannot do the same. The fact that they look to him for help is natural and smart. If he can do it, it inspires others. He is in fact, if he does what he says, someone who can help the average guy.
3. In case you haven't figured it out, he isn't POTUS yet. If he doesn't get elected, he still has a business. Is he supposed to let it go to hell while he runs for office? You cannot logically make the conclusion you are trying to make.

1. Really???
Donald Trump claimed $916 million in losses from his businesses in 1995, including losses from earlier that were carried forward. Thus, he did not pay taxes that year, and probably did not for many years thereafter. Trump also did not pay federal income taxes in 1978, 1979, or1984, and most likely did not in 1991 or 1993.

That is the sum total of what we know about Trump’s income tax payments. So only seems to include quite a lot of years.
2. Lol. It's like a sardine asking a shark for help. His contempt for the average man is well documented and only half-heartedly denied by Trump himself.Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

3. I've asked this in almost every post to you. Please make your case, why you think he will change his allegiance as POTUS? He clearly doesn't want to give control of it away even when he is POTUS. What will make him stop favouring or even actively work against his business interest. What incentive you think he will have to do that?

1. Did you pay more taxes than you actually owed? Why should he? Unless you are saying he owed taxes and didn't pay the which is highly doubtful since he gets audited every year. You start again with a false assumption and try to make truth out of it. Again you fail.
2. His so called contempt is cherry picked out of context and has nothing to do with now. Do I think he will do anything for me? Idk. I do know that Hillary will do many bad things to me. You ask why Trumps people think he will, perhaps they don't think he will but compared to Hillary, he's their best bet.
3. Ask all you want to and my answer will always be the same. You are coming from the absolutely false assumption that what is good for his business is bad for everyone else.

1.I'm not making false assumptions, you deliberately change the premise of the argument. My argument is not about the legality or the sense it makes to pay as little taxes as possibility. My argument is about the fairness, but more importantly about the unlikeliness that Trump will change the tax code.
2. Really? Not anything to do with now? You feel there is absolutely no validity, in predicting people's future actions by examining their past behavior? Please provide me a valid context, so it becomes acceptable using your superior financial position to get out of paying full price for services rendered? These are not isolated incidents and the fact that he even tantamountedly admitted to it being a business practice he employs during the Clinton debate makes, your excuses kind of dishonest.
3. The false assumption you are making is that what's good for his business is good for everybody else. Business and the interest of the common man aren't one and the same. The banking crisis being a perfect example of that. There has been extensive research done in trying to expose the numerous possible conflicts of interest a Trump presidency would entail. Unless you somehow are capable of supporting your claim that he will come out on the side of the country's best interests denying they would exist is also dishonest.
Donald Trump's foreign ties may conflict with U.S. national security interests

1. Yes, as I have shown you many times now, you are making assumptions based in your prejudices.
2. Deflection. We are talking about why supporters think that he will help them.
3. Absolutely false, and this is why you are wrong and why you always will be. Trump had little at all to do with the banking industries problems. You do know that banking isn't our only industry right? More than anything else it was the government in concert with the banks that caused the problems.

You asked the question in the OP, we have answered it. You don't like the answer but that doesn't change anything. You didn't really want to know the answer, you just wanted to try to defeat conservatives. Well, you lost and you are now flailing around like a drowning man. We will never be able to help you, you are too far entrenched and have drank too much kool aid. Good luck.

 

[hadit]

You know what I find funny about all these tax stories. Trump claims when he gets elected he will fix the tax code, which has clearly benefitted him and his ilk. His surrogates call him a genius when it comes out he didn't pay his fair, or more likely any share of his due. So tell me conservatives why do you guys feel. One he represents the average man and two do you truly believe he'll do anything to harm his own bottom line if he gets elected?Trump’s Claim of $916 Million Loss Shows He’s a ‘Genius’: Rudy Giuliani

Trump =/= conservative. False premise.

 

[forkup]

1. Again I've showed you what Trumps site said about taxes. "ensure the rich will pay there fair share","eliminate special interest loopholes". Not my words, but those of his site. So either Trump feels that for super rich people fair share means 0, or he feels only he should be the exception among the super rich and pay 0. And special interest loopholes should be closed except for his type of business. So using that argument makes Trump a liar or self serving.
2. His interest and those of the average American aren't the same, I tie it together because of the ridiculousness of losing almost a billion dollars and still being able to continue, when I've seen friends lose their houses because they couldn't pay their mortgages. And turning now to a businessman of his morality for a solution.
3.
This shows his unwillingness to cut the ties between him and his business
Before anyone recites Trump’s “America is more important than the Trump Organization” shtick, take a look at what he has done during his candidacy: Repeatedly, he has shown that he is more concerned about his company than he is with either his campaign or the international economy. When a majority in the U.K. voted in favor of leaving the European Union, the value of the pound collapsed. On that day, Trump was in Turnberry, Scotland, presiding over the opening ceremony for a new Trump golf course.

Asked about the vote to leave, known as Brexit, Trump spoke not of the global economic chaos set off by the event, but of the benefits to his golf resort. “When the pound goes down, more people are coming to Turnberry,” he said.
One of dozens of examples when he chooses his business over the role as a potential president.

1. He only paid zero when he lost almost a billion dollars. Sorry, you have no logical connection between reality and what you are posting.
2. False comparison. Because he is a smart businessman who takes risks and can lose but still recover is not negated by your friends who cannot do the same. The fact that they look to him for help is natural and smart. If he can do it, it inspires others. He is in fact, if he does what he says, someone who can help the average guy.
3. In case you haven't figured it out, he isn't POTUS yet. If he doesn't get elected, he still has a business. Is he supposed to let it go to hell while he runs for office? You cannot logically make the conclusion you are trying to make.

1. Really???
Donald Trump claimed $916 million in losses from his businesses in 1995, including losses from earlier that were carried forward. Thus, he did not pay taxes that year, and probably did not for many years thereafter. Trump also did not pay federal income taxes in 1978, 1979, or1984, and most likely did not in 1991 or 1993.

That is the sum total of what we know about Trump’s income tax payments. So only seems to include quite a lot of years.
2. Lol. It's like a sardine asking a shark for help. His contempt for the average man is well documented and only half-heartedly denied by Trump himself.Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

3. I've asked this in almost every post to you. Please make your case, why you think he will change his allegiance as POTUS? He clearly doesn't want to give control of it away even when he is POTUS. What will make him stop favouring or even actively work against his business interest. What incentive you think he will have to do that?

1. Did you pay more taxes than you actually owed? Why should he? Unless you are saying he owed taxes and didn't pay the which is highly doubtful since he gets audited every year. You start again with a false assumption and try to make truth out of it. Again you fail.
2. His so called contempt is cherry picked out of context and has nothing to do with now. Do I think he will do anything for me? Idk. I do know that Hillary will do many bad things to me. You ask why Trumps people think he will, perhaps they don't think he will but compared to Hillary, he's their best bet.
3. Ask all you want to and my answer will always be the same. You are coming from the absolutely false assumption that what is good for his business is bad for everyone else.

1.I'm not making false assumptions, you deliberately change the premise of the argument. My argument is not about the legality or the sense it makes to pay as little taxes as possibility. My argument is about the fairness, but more importantly about the unlikeliness that Trump will change the tax code.
2. Really? Not anything to do with now? You feel there is absolutely no validity, in predicting people's future actions by examining their past behavior? Please provide me a valid context, so it becomes acceptable using your superior financial position to get out of paying full price for services rendered? These are not isolated incidents and the fact that he even tantamountedly admitted to it being a business practice he employs during the Clinton debate makes, your excuses kind of dishonest.
3. The false assumption you are making is that what's good for his business is good for everybody else. Business and the interest of the common man aren't one and the same. The banking crisis being a perfect example of that. There has been extensive research done in trying to expose the numerous possible conflicts of interest a Trump presidency would entail. Unless you somehow are capable of supporting your claim that he will come out on the side of the country's best interests denying they would exist is also dishonest.
Donald Trump's foreign ties may conflict with U.S. national security interests

1. As I suspected. YOu admit that everyone tries to lower his taxes, yet you claim it is "unfair" in this post.

2. Past actions should be considered in the light of his responsibilities of that time compared to his responsibilities of the future. Ignoring that he would be answering to different people with different expectations, and judged by different parameters, is you AVOIDING valid context.

1. When did you start to suspect?

You are right that paying less taxes is something everybody tries to do.

Was it here?

I understand why he made use of the deduction available to him.

Here?

I don't, not even for a second claim that paying as little taxes as possible is not something that everybody shares.

Maybe here?

My argument is not about the legality or the sense it makes to pay as little taxes as possibility.

Or here?

1. As I suspected. YOu admit that everyone tries to lower his taxes, yet you claim it is "unfair" in this post.

You seem to equate, legal to fair. The banks did nothing illegal during the banking crisis, so according to your argument, giving people mortgages you know they can't possibly pay back is fair. Trump paying nothing in income tax is legal, never disputed that,claiming it is fair is insane. And btw Trump even admits to it.
“The unfairness of the tax laws is unbelievable,” Mr. Trump said at a rally here. “It’s something I’ve been talking about for a long time despite, frankly, being a big beneficiary of the law.
2. Trump has shown no interest in other people. As quite a few of my examples have shown. You are suggesting this will change because he has a different role. You haven't shown me ANY examples of Trump being capable of putting his own interest behind those of anybody else, yet you claim it will happen.
Why? Because you say so?

 

[forkup]

1. Again I've showed you what Trumps site said about taxes. "ensure the rich will pay there fair share","eliminate special interest loopholes". Not my words, but those of his site. So either Trump feels that for super rich people fair share means 0, or he feels only he should be the exception among the super rich and pay 0. And special interest loopholes should be closed except for his type of business. So using that argument makes Trump a liar or self serving.
2. His interest and those of the average American aren't the same, I tie it together because of the ridiculousness of losing almost a billion dollars and still being able to continue, when I've seen friends lose their houses because they couldn't pay their mortgages. And turning now to a businessman of his morality for a solution.
3.
This shows his unwillingness to cut the ties between him and his business
Before anyone recites Trump’s “America is more important than the Trump Organization” shtick, take a look at what he has done during his candidacy: Repeatedly, he has shown that he is more concerned about his company than he is with either his campaign or the international economy. When a majority in the U.K. voted in favor of leaving the European Union, the value of the pound collapsed. On that day, Trump was in Turnberry, Scotland, presiding over the opening ceremony for a new Trump golf course.

Asked about the vote to leave, known as Brexit, Trump spoke not of the global economic chaos set off by the event, but of the benefits to his golf resort. “When the pound goes down, more people are coming to Turnberry,” he said.
One of dozens of examples when he chooses his business over the role as a potential president.

1. He only paid zero when he lost almost a billion dollars. Sorry, you have no logical connection between reality and what you are posting.
2. False comparison. Because he is a smart businessman who takes risks and can lose but still recover is not negated by your friends who cannot do the same. The fact that they look to him for help is natural and smart. If he can do it, it inspires others. He is in fact, if he does what he says, someone who can help the average guy.
3. In case you haven't figured it out, he isn't POTUS yet. If he doesn't get elected, he still has a business. Is he supposed to let it go to hell while he runs for office? You cannot logically make the conclusion you are trying to make.

1. Really???
Donald Trump claimed $916 million in losses from his businesses in 1995, including losses from earlier that were carried forward. Thus, he did not pay taxes that year, and probably did not for many years thereafter. Trump also did not pay federal income taxes in 1978, 1979, or1984, and most likely did not in 1991 or 1993.

That is the sum total of what we know about Trump’s income tax payments. So only seems to include quite a lot of years.
2. Lol. It's like a sardine asking a shark for help. His contempt for the average man is well documented and only half-heartedly denied by Trump himself.Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

3. I've asked this in almost every post to you. Please make your case, why you think he will change his allegiance as POTUS? He clearly doesn't want to give control of it away even when he is POTUS. What will make him stop favouring or even actively work against his business interest. What incentive you think he will have to do that?

1. Did you pay more taxes than you actually owed? Why should he? Unless you are saying he owed taxes and didn't pay the which is highly doubtful since he gets audited every year. You start again with a false assumption and try to make truth out of it. Again you fail.
2. His so called contempt is cherry picked out of context and has nothing to do with now. Do I think he will do anything for me? Idk. I do know that Hillary will do many bad things to me. You ask why Trumps people think he will, perhaps they don't think he will but compared to Hillary, he's their best bet.
3. Ask all you want to and my answer will always be the same. You are coming from the absolutely false assumption that what is good for his business is bad for everyone else.

1.I'm not making false assumptions, you deliberately change the premise of the argument. My argument is not about the legality or the sense it makes to pay as little taxes as possibility. My argument is about the fairness, but more importantly about the unlikeliness that Trump will change the tax code.
2. Really? Not anything to do with now? You feel there is absolutely no validity, in predicting people's future actions by examining their past behavior? Please provide me a valid context, so it becomes acceptable using your superior financial position to get out of paying full price for services rendered? These are not isolated incidents and the fact that he even tantamountedly admitted to it being a business practice he employs during the Clinton debate makes, your excuses kind of dishonest.
3. The false assumption you are making is that what's good for his business is good for everybody else. Business and the interest of the common man aren't one and the same. The banking crisis being a perfect example of that. There has been extensive research done in trying to expose the numerous possible conflicts of interest a Trump presidency would entail. Unless you somehow are capable of supporting your claim that he will come out on the side of the country's best interests denying they would exist is also dishonest.
Donald Trump's foreign ties may conflict with U.S. national security interests

1. Yes, as I have shown you many times now, you are making assumptions based in your prejudices.
2. Deflection. We are talking about why supporters think that he will help them.
3. Absolutely false, and this is why you are wrong and why you always will be. Trump had little at all to do with the banking industries problems. You do know that banking isn't our only industry right? More than anything else it was the government in concert with the banks that caused the problems.

You asked the question in the OP, we have answered it. You don't like the answer but that doesn't change anything. You didn't really want to know the answer, you just wanted to try to defeat conservatives. Well, you lost and you are now flailing around like a drowning man. We will never be able to help you, you are too far entrenched and have drank too much kool aid. Good luck.

1. My prejudices are substantiated by actual examples still waiting on your first one.
2. No point 2 was actually why it is completely unbelievable that he will change the tax code and you still not actually offer any actual real counter arguments. You just deal in unsubstantiated rebuttals and try to equate them with facts.
3. I didn't claim that Trump was involved with the banking crisis. I claimed that the banking crisis is a clear example where business interest.(short term profit) hurt the average American.
And then I posted a link how Trumps actual business interest can easily hurt the common man, if he becomes president. It's the counter argument, to you claiming to me, that there wouldn't be any conflicts of interest. The fact that you put words into my mouth shows you are dishonest and shows your own prejudices.

 

[nat4900]

Actually, 50% of Americans pay zero federal income taxes and many get a sizeable refund of other people's money.

So you'd admit that Trump is among that 50% and you are willing to keep bending over?

BTW, how many of those 50% live in a penthouse and fly around in their private jumbo jet?

 

[nat4900]

Not arguing the fact that Trump used the tax code to his advantage, I'm arguing the point that he claims he will change it. Again does anyone truly believe he will come out against his own wallet on this issue?

......and we ALL know how "philanthropic" Trump has been in the past (except, of course, he DOES donate some money to state AGs to avoid prosecution......just ask Pam Bondi).....

 

[PredFan]

1. He only paid zero when he lost almost a billion dollars. Sorry, you have no logical connection between reality and what you are posting.
2. False comparison. Because he is a smart businessman who takes risks and can lose but still recover is not negated by your friends who cannot do the same. The fact that they look to him for help is natural and smart. If he can do it, it inspires others. He is in fact, if he does what he says, someone who can help the average guy.
3. In case you haven't figured it out, he isn't POTUS yet. If he doesn't get elected, he still has a business. Is he supposed to let it go to hell while he runs for office? You cannot logically make the conclusion you are trying to make.

1. Really???
Donald Trump claimed $916 million in losses from his businesses in 1995, including losses from earlier that were carried forward. Thus, he did not pay taxes that year, and probably did not for many years thereafter. Trump also did not pay federal income taxes in 1978, 1979, or1984, and most likely did not in 1991 or 1993.

That is the sum total of what we know about Trump’s income tax payments. So only seems to include quite a lot of years.
2. Lol. It's like a sardine asking a shark for help. His contempt for the average man is well documented and only half-heartedly denied by Trump himself.Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

3. I've asked this in almost every post to you. Please make your case, why you think he will change his allegiance as POTUS? He clearly doesn't want to give control of it away even when he is POTUS. What will make him stop favouring or even actively work against his business interest. What incentive you think he will have to do that?

1. Did you pay more taxes than you actually owed? Why should he? Unless you are saying he owed taxes and didn't pay the which is highly doubtful since he gets audited every year. You start again with a false assumption and try to make truth out of it. Again you fail.
2. His so called contempt is cherry picked out of context and has nothing to do with now. Do I think he will do anything for me? Idk. I do know that Hillary will do many bad things to me. You ask why Trumps people think he will, perhaps they don't think he will but compared to Hillary, he's their best bet.
3. Ask all you want to and my answer will always be the same. You are coming from the absolutely false assumption that what is good for his business is bad for everyone else.

1.I'm not making false assumptions, you deliberately change the premise of the argument. My argument is not about the legality or the sense it makes to pay as little taxes as possibility. My argument is about the fairness, but more importantly about the unlikeliness that Trump will change the tax code.
2. Really? Not anything to do with now? You feel there is absolutely no validity, in predicting people's future actions by examining their past behavior? Please provide me a valid context, so it becomes acceptable using your superior financial position to get out of paying full price for services rendered? These are not isolated incidents and the fact that he even tantamountedly admitted to it being a business practice he employs during the Clinton debate makes, your excuses kind of dishonest.
3. The false assumption you are making is that what's good for his business is good for everybody else. Business and the interest of the common man aren't one and the same. The banking crisis being a perfect example of that. There has been extensive research done in trying to expose the numerous possible conflicts of interest a Trump presidency would entail. Unless you somehow are capable of supporting your claim that he will come out on the side of the country's best interests denying they would exist is also dishonest.
Donald Trump's foreign ties may conflict with U.S. national security interests

1. Yes, as I have shown you many times now, you are making assumptions based in your prejudices.
2. Deflection. We are talking about why supporters think that he will help them.
3. Absolutely false, and this is why you are wrong and why you always will be. Trump had little at all to do with the banking industries problems. You do know that banking isn't our only industry right? More than anything else it was the government in concert with the banks that caused the problems.

You asked the question in the OP, we have answered it. You don't like the answer but that doesn't change anything. You didn't really want to know the answer, you just wanted to try to defeat conservatives. Well, you lost and you are now flailing around like a drowning man. We will never be able to help you, you are too far entrenched and have drank too much kool aid. Good luck.

1. My prejudices are substantiated by actual examples still waiting on your first one.
2. No point 2 was actually why it is completely unbelievable that he will change the tax code and you still not actually offer any actual real counter arguments. You just deal in unsubstantiated rebuttals and try to equate them with facts.
3. I didn't claim that Trump was involved with the banking crisis. I claimed that the banking crisis is a clear example where business interest.(short term profit) hurt the average American.
And then I posted a link how Trumps actual business interest can easily hurt the common man, if he becomes president. It's the counter argument, to you claiming to me, that there wouldn't be any conflicts of interest. The fact that you put words into my mouth shows you are dishonest and shows your own prejudices.

I answered your question, you are now spinning nonsense. Dismissed.

 

[forkup]

1. Really???
Donald Trump claimed $916 million in losses from his businesses in 1995, including losses from earlier that were carried forward. Thus, he did not pay taxes that year, and probably did not for many years thereafter. Trump also did not pay federal income taxes in 1978, 1979, or1984, and most likely did not in 1991 or 1993.

That is the sum total of what we know about Trump’s income tax payments. So only seems to include quite a lot of years.
2. Lol. It's like a sardine asking a shark for help. His contempt for the average man is well documented and only half-heartedly denied by Trump himself.Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors

3. I've asked this in almost every post to you. Please make your case, why you think he will change his allegiance as POTUS? He clearly doesn't want to give control of it away even when he is POTUS. What will make him stop favouring or even actively work against his business interest. What incentive you think he will have to do that?

1. Did you pay more taxes than you actually owed? Why should he? Unless you are saying he owed taxes and didn't pay the which is highly doubtful since he gets audited every year. You start again with a false assumption and try to make truth out of it. Again you fail.
2. His so called contempt is cherry picked out of context and has nothing to do with now. Do I think he will do anything for me? Idk. I do know that Hillary will do many bad things to me. You ask why Trumps people think he will, perhaps they don't think he will but compared to Hillary, he's their best bet.
3. Ask all you want to and my answer will always be the same. You are coming from the absolutely false assumption that what is good for his business is bad for everyone else.

1.I'm not making false assumptions, you deliberately change the premise of the argument. My argument is not about the legality or the sense it makes to pay as little taxes as possibility. My argument is about the fairness, but more importantly about the unlikeliness that Trump will change the tax code.
2. Really? Not anything to do with now? You feel there is absolutely no validity, in predicting people's future actions by examining their past behavior? Please provide me a valid context, so it becomes acceptable using your superior financial position to get out of paying full price for services rendered? These are not isolated incidents and the fact that he even tantamountedly admitted to it being a business practice he employs during the Clinton debate makes, your excuses kind of dishonest.
3. The false assumption you are making is that what's good for his business is good for everybody else. Business and the interest of the common man aren't one and the same. The banking crisis being a perfect example of that. There has been extensive research done in trying to expose the numerous possible conflicts of interest a Trump presidency would entail. Unless you somehow are capable of supporting your claim that he will come out on the side of the country's best interests denying they would exist is also dishonest.
Donald Trump's foreign ties may conflict with U.S. national security interests

1. Yes, as I have shown you many times now, you are making assumptions based in your prejudices.
2. Deflection. We are talking about why supporters think that he will help them.
3. Absolutely false, and this is why you are wrong and why you always will be. Trump had little at all to do with the banking industries problems. You do know that banking isn't our only industry right? More than anything else it was the government in concert with the banks that caused the problems.

You asked the question in the OP, we have answered it. You don't like the answer but that doesn't change anything. You didn't really want to know the answer, you just wanted to try to defeat conservatives. Well, you lost and you are now flailing around like a drowning man. We will never be able to help you, you are too far entrenched and have drank too much kool aid. Good luck.

1. My prejudices are substantiated by actual examples still waiting on your first one.
2. No point 2 was actually why it is completely unbelievable that he will change the tax code and you still not actually offer any actual real counter arguments. You just deal in unsubstantiated rebuttals and try to equate them with facts.
3. I didn't claim that Trump was involved with the banking crisis. I claimed that the banking crisis is a clear example where business interest.(short term profit) hurt the average American.
And then I posted a link how Trumps actual business interest can easily hurt the common man, if he becomes president. It's the counter argument, to you claiming to me, that there wouldn't be any conflicts of interest. The fact that you put words into my mouth shows you are dishonest and shows your own prejudices.

I answered your question, you are now spinning nonsense. Dismissed.

No, you claim you answered my question. You are one of those people who thinks their opinions are facts. That's why you think everybody else is prejudiced but don't admit to your own. It's called projecting and you my friend are a master at it. You can't defend your opinion by stating facts.

 

[brummelben]

Actually, 50% of Americans pay zero federal income taxes and many get a sizeable refund of other people's money.

People who file taxes get a refund only of their own money. They cannot get more than they have paid in, however with corporations the story is entirely different. They can show losses and get actual refunds of other peoples money, as shown so well by Trump

 

[PredFan]

Actually, 50% of Americans pay zero federal income taxes and many get a sizeable refund of other people's money.

People who file taxes get a refund only of their own money. They cannot get more than they have paid in, however with corporations the story is entirely different. They can show losses and get actual refunds of other peoples money, as shown so well by Trump

Bull shit.
All you have to do is qualify for one or more of the tax credits that allow you to receive more than you owed. You subtract credits directly from your tax bill. If your tax credits are larger than your tax bill, the IRS may cut you a check for the excess if you qualify for one of the "refundable" credits, such as the Child and Dependent Care Credit, the Child Tax Credit, the Retirement Savings Contributions credit, and the Earned Income Tax Credit.

 

[forkup]

Actually, 50% of Americans pay zero federal income taxes and many get a sizeable refund of other people's money.

People who file taxes get a refund only of their own money. They cannot get more than they have paid in, however with corporations the story is entirely different. They can show losses and get actual refunds of other peoples money, as shown so well by Trump

Bull shit.

See again opinions. Pretty sure you think it is a fact although you can't defend it by giving an actual informed sourced counter argument.

 

[forkup]

Actually, 50% of Americans pay zero federal income taxes and many get a sizeable refund of other people's money.

People who file taxes get a refund only of their own money. They cannot get more than they have paid in, however with corporations the story is entirely different. They can show losses and get actual refunds of other peoples money, as shown so well by Trump

You answered my point why Trump paying no income taxes is unfair better than I could. Well done.

 

[the_human_being]

Actually, 50% of Americans pay zero federal income taxes and many get a sizeable refund of other people's money.

So you'd admit that Trump is among that 50% and you are willing to keep bending over?

BTW, how many of those 50% live in a penthouse and fly around in their private jumbo jet?

Does Warren Buffet live in a penthouse and fly around in a jumbo jet? Buffet has a TAX BILL of over a billion dollars that he has owed since 2006.

 

[the_human_being]

Actually, 50% of Americans pay zero federal income taxes and many get a sizeable refund of other people's money.

People who file taxes get a refund only of their own money. They cannot get more than they have paid in, however with corporations the story is entirely different. They can show losses and get actual refunds of other peoples money, as shown so well by Trump

You answered my point why Trump paying no income taxes is unfair better than I could. Well done.

Never heard of Earned Income Credit? Get yourself an education.