Andylusion
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2011???What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.
You people are so cheesy.
Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.
"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.
"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.
"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.
"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.
"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.
"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba
LOL.
Proving once again, any idiot with an opinion, can end up in an Oxford Journal.
Here's what I know... not from ivory pin heads, but from direct contact with Cuban exiles, and missionary trips to Cuba.
Our missionaries reported back that we should send them.... .Aspirin. Why? Because getting Aspirin in Cuba, is like finding gold along the interstate.
The average Cuba has no access to even Aspirin. Cubans are often delivered to hospitals in their own cars, are wheel borrows. They have little to no ambulance service.
Cuba 'doctors' are not qualified to even be an aid to a nurse, by our educational standards. Hospitals are largely neglected, and in a dilapidated state.
Cubans are not legally allowed to use hospitals for tourists, at tourists resorts.
Doctors in Cuba do not report infants that die, because doing so can result in them losing their jobs.
Health care in Cuba is a joke. Your article refers to the limits of disease in Cuba, and it's limited infrastructure, forgetting that nearly all of it's infrastructure is due to Cuba's Capitalists past, which during the 1950s, was on par with America.
Considering where we are today, verses where Cuba is today, giving it's parity in the past, is more than enough of an indictment of the socialist train wreck, known as Cuba.
Your amateur night propaganda is a new low, even by right-wing, fascist standards. Tell us how many times you've been to Cuba? How's your Spanish? Missionaries?
All you have done, is proven your ignorance. You should learn more about the topic, before speaking. Prevents others from noticing how uninformed you are.
Cuba s Much Lauded Health Care System No Longer Has Even Aspirin to Give Us Yoani Sanchez
From the Huffington Post, just to rub your mindless face in it.
Are you that far out of touch, Homeschool?
Try Cuba 2014 if you're not afraid of reality, which, of course, you are, or you wouldn't rub your nose in every pile of corporate shit you come across.
"Public Funding
"Due to the fact that Cuba’s health system is principally funded by the state, free preventive medical treatment and diagnostic testing are offered the people as a mainstay of its healthcare ethos. Cuba also offers certain free medications and other subsidizing options as an added value to the people. This keeps healthcare cheaper while also keeping the public perhaps healthier than it otherwise might be.
"Prevention and Primary Care
"Cuba subscribes to the Alma Ata Declaration, guaranteeing 'Health for All.' Cuba thus focuses largely on its primary care. Many research experts claim that Cuba maintains this dedication to 'health for all' more comprehensively than anywhere else in the world, especially the US. As the benchmark of the Cuban healthcare system is primary care, the resulting system roots itself in a social health that seeks not only to aid its people, but also to engender a nation-wide culture of health. The people thus see the benefits of universal healthcare and these, its other components, and they endeavor democratically to improve upon it."
American Health Care a Cuban Fix CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names
You are mindless fool, parroting everything around you.
You dumb worthless bit of trash... You posted a Krugman Blog post from 2007. Then a Oxford Journal post from 2006. I post something from 2011, and you are so stupid that you say "
2011??? Are you that far out of touch, Homeschool?"
Really? You are that dumb? You are so stupid, you point out your own idiocy, by posting two articles from 8 years ago, and then complain I posted something from 3 years ago?
And here you post from Counter-Punch? At least Oxford Journal had some historic credibility with the name.
So some twit on Counter-Punch, who says that Capitalism is the cause of the drug cartels in Mexico... and you think he's an unbiased source of information?
So let's look at his claims....
Access
In order to shrink the existing disparity in its people’s healthcare, Cuba endeavored for complete accessibility. Increased accessibility thus led to the adoption of a universal system, one which yielded unprecedented levels of healthcare for all Cubans. By 1999, Cuba boasted one doctor per every 175 Cubans. With greater access and a new system predicated on it, new medical jobs were also created around the country
So he claims they have universal access to health care. Proof? One doctor for every 175 Cubans.
So what? Simply having more doctors, doesn't mean people care getting care. First, what does 'doctor' mean? A few years back, Cuba sent some doctors to Venezuela, because Chavez screwed the country so bad with socialism, the doctors all left.
Some of the doctors escaped... they were actually under guard, but managed to escape, and some defected to the US. Those "doctors" were not even qualified to be a nurses aid. They had minimal training, and no familarity with modern medical equipment.
If we fired all the doctors in the US, and replaced them all with nurses aids, we could have 1 'doctor' for every 175 citizens too.
Further, a doctor is only useful provided he has the material to help. Most Cuban Hospital don't have old X-rays and CT-Scans, let alone the newer higher technology units common in America.
When you have more access to crap, that doesn't make having more access a positive.
Ingenuity and Innovation
Cuban policy allocates large amounts of funding to research. A poorer nation than the US, Cuba actually strives to comply with World Health Organization recommendations: Cuba funds a percentage of all health-related costs, as well a portion of its research and training programs. This is also born out of necessity; due to the US and its embargo-driven transgressions against the poor island nations, many vaccinations had to be developed in-house, rather than traded-for, with other nations. Still, Cuba has funded many break-through revolutions in the medical field. The US needs to have at least the same policy toward funding its medical research.
Stupid socialist excuses. You idiots never fact check jack squat. Most of the vaccines we use in the US, come from the UK. The UK has no embargo against Cuba. What's your excuse now? No, the reason Cuba has no vaccines, is because socialism ruins everything, and it's ruined their health care system.
Public Funding
Due to the fact that Cuba’s health system is principally funded by the state, free preventive medical treatment and diagnostic testing are offered the people as a mainstay of its healthcare ethos. Cuba also offers certain free medications and other subsidizing options as an added value to the people. This keeps healthcare cheaper while also keeping the public perhaps healthier than it otherwise might be.
Right, they can get all their medications free... unfortunately there are no medications to get, but if there were, they would be free.
Empty shelves. That's what most Cubans get.
I'm not going to bother going over the rest of his hearsay and drivel. He had no facts, no evidence, tons of claims, and zero support.
Instead, I'm just going to post reality. Christopher P. Baker, member of National Geographic, went to Cuba in 2011.
The Downside of Cuba s Healthcare System - Moon Travel Guides
Read his direct, on the ground report of the state of Cuban Health care.
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A few weeks ago while escorting a National Geographic Expeditions’ 10-day “Cuba: Discover its Culture & People” trip, one of the participants fell ill with a serious dental problem.
I accompanied her to the Clínica Internacional—the foreigners-only International Clinic–Cienfuegos. Cuba’s best medical services are reserved for foreign tourists paying hard currency. This was no exception. An English-speaking doctor saw us immediately.
She identified an abcess and recommended we visit the dental ward at Cienfuegos Hospital. We were transferred in a low-tech ambulance.
The hospital’s broken windows and screens were an ill omen of worse to come: The black ring (caused by a million grubby hands) around the door handle to the dental ward, suggested it hadn’t been cleaned since the revolution.
We were admitted immediately to the ward and seated at one of a dozen stations. The first image took my breath away. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Dental instruments were sitting in a tray that hadn’t been cleaned—not even wiped!—in ages. Literally, my best guess is in months, if not years! A microscopic study might well have revealed every known bacteria under the sun. In Europe or North America, the hospital would be instantly closed as a health hazard. The travelers looked up at me with a mix of revulsion and near-panic.
Fortunately, the female dentist didn’t need to place any instrument in her mouth. Instead, she looked into her mouth and instantly confirmed the abcess, then wrote a prescription for antibiotics, which the international clinic had in stock
The next day, while walking along Cienfuegos’ main shopping street (El Búlevar), the group paused to peruse the local pharmacy that serves local Cubans. I counted barely a handful of drugs (all locally produced) for sale on the sparsely stocked shelves.
What a study in contrasts…! The barebones Cubans-only pharmacies. And the foreigners-only pharmacies fully stocked with imported drugs.
The Cuban government disingenuously tells Cubans that the U.S. embargo is to blame for the critical shortage of basic medicines (although it is true that the U.S. embargo blocks sales of most U.S.-made products), reminding me of President Jimmy Carter’s admonition (presented live on Cuban TV during his visit to Cuba in January 2001) that Cuba can buy all the drugs its needs from Mexico, Brazil, etc. at prices well below those charged in the United States.
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And if that's not enough, I have thousands more with similar stories. But my favorite is a recent WikiLeaks Cable from our Cuban embassy.
Michael E. Parmly, the US governments man in Cuba, had a Foreign Service Health Practitioner, a woman doctor who worked at the Embassy. Her experiences with Cubans, and an unauthorized visit to a Cuban hospital, were collected into a report, which was cabled back to DC.
Cable 08HAVANA103 a
The cable contains dozens on dozens of reports from Cubans living in Cuba, about their health care system. You can read through them if you like, but I'd like to highlight just TWO of those.
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A 40-year old pregnant Cuban woman had a miscarriage. At the OB-Gyn hospital they used a primitive manual vacuum to aspirate the contents of her womb, without any anesthesia or pain medicine. She was offered no emotional support for her 'loss' and no pain medication or follow up appointments.
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A MANUAL VACUUM.... used on a woman who miscarried.......? With NO PAIN MEDICATION AT ALL. Really??? This is like barbaric caveman crap. And this is what you want us to model our system after? You socialist neanderthals want this?
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Many young cancer patients reportedly have become infected with Hepatitis C after their surgeries. Contracting Hepatitis C after surgery indicates a lack of proper blood screening prior to administering transfusions. All blood should be screened for Hepatitis B, C, HIV and Syphilis prior to use. Patients have no recourse and are not fully informed of the seriousness of such an inadvertent infection.
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They are not screening the blood they use for transfusions, and are infecting people with Hep C, and they are not told, and they have no recourse? Really??? You freakin sub-human Socialists want that as your health care system???
Cuban health care is terrible. You dumb as rocks socialists, are too stupid to see reality, if it slapped you in the face.