Can anyone really argue Gary Johnson is not the best candidate on the ballot?

[Onyx]

You are all angry that the libertarians are rising and going to steal votes from your respective candidates. We aren't fooled by you, that's for sure. You can throw yourselves on the floor and scream about anarchy and you just sound foolish.

Now you are strawmanning in a seemingly evident defense mechanism.

The only discourse in this thread was about whether consistent libertarians are anarchists. The agenda of mainstream American political parties is not relevant.

 

[SYTFE]

Libertarians are often accused of being anarchists or asked what the difference is between a libertarian and an anarchist. The popular image of anarchy is unrestrained violence and looting. Libertarians take a stronger stand against violence and looting than any other political group including republicans and democrats. The early history of the United States with its severely limited government was strongly libertarian and completely different from this image of anarchy.

The misunderstanding on this issue comes from the ideal state of peace and productivity with no government interference imagined by many libertarians who forget that we are the only ones who can imagine it. In a libertarian society the evolution of voluntary institutions providing the few remaining government services might lead to the gradual elimination of government but this scenario is completely beyond the imagination of the general public and it harms our cause to confront them with such a startling vision.

Here is a menu of answers to the question:

What's the difference between libertarians and anarchists?
The traditional answer
Libertarians want severely limited government and anarchists want none.

Libertarians "say" they want limited government. The truth is that you'll find that many libertarians would happily do away with government entirely, and many of them aren't even aware of their own hostility towards government. Their ideas about government are absolutely childish and ridiculous to boot, none of their ideas work in the real world. Want to see a libertoonian ideals in action? Visit Somalia.

The humanist answer

Libertarians are nonviolent; some anarchists are violent.

Horseshit. Many extreme rightist libertarians are some of the most aggressive, hostile and violent people in the country.

The funny answer

Libertarians are to anarchists as nudists are to naked people.They're just middle class & organized so they appear less crazy.

Nonsense. Libertoonians are some of the craziest people in the world.

The Party answer (from Andre Marrou)

An anarchist is an extreme libertarian, like a socialist is an extreme democrat, and a fascist is an extreme republican.

You could say that, but it's not quite accurate. Both libertarianism and anarchism are 2 branches from the same point on the political spectrum. One is only even more 'out there' than the other (the anarchists.)

The graphic answer

It's like the difference between a lover and a rapist.They're both in the same place but one uses violence to get there.

What?

The straight answer

Libertarians believe in free markets, private property, and capitalism. Anarchists who believe in these things usually call themselves libertarians.

Very close.

 

[Montrovant]

Quotes might help, but you don't have any. All you have is hatred of marijuana, and a desire to keep the US taxpayer losing $300 billion per year which goes to narco terrorists who make life miserable for locals who then come here as illegals.

You have to be a GOD DAMNED FUCKING IDIOT to want to keep marijuana illegal. But if all your uneducated pea brain can do is parrot JDAAC preacher and Zionist "news," you support Trump or Hillary, neither of whom will legalize.

Easy there, if his "pea brain" was educated would that change anything ? Johnson recieved less than 1% of the vote in 2016. It is hard to see how he could even get into double figures with no money and little debate prospects.

He is already in double digits in many of the polls.

I'm pretty sure he meant to say in 2012, when Johnson got around 1% of the popular vote.

 

[ChrisL]

Libertarians are often accused of being anarchists or asked what the difference is between a libertarian and an anarchist. The popular image of anarchy is unrestrained violence and looting. Libertarians take a stronger stand against violence and looting than any other political group including republicans and democrats. The early history of the United States with its severely limited government was strongly libertarian and completely different from this image of anarchy.

The misunderstanding on this issue comes from the ideal state of peace and productivity with no government interference imagined by many libertarians who forget that we are the only ones who can imagine it. In a libertarian society the evolution of voluntary institutions providing the few remaining government services might lead to the gradual elimination of government but this scenario is completely beyond the imagination of the general public and it harms our cause to confront them with such a startling vision.

Here is a menu of answers to the question:

What's the difference between libertarians and anarchists?
The traditional answer
Libertarians want severely limited government and anarchists want none.

Libertarians "say" they want limited government. The truth is that you'll find that many libertarians would happily do away with government entirely, and many of them aren't even aware of their own hostility towards government. Their ideas about government are absolutely childish and ridiculous to boot, none of their ideas work in the real world. Want to see a libertoonian ideals in action? Visit Somalia.

The humanist answer

Libertarians are nonviolent; some anarchists are violent.

Horseshit. Many extreme rightist libertarians are some of the most aggressive, hostile and violent people in the country.

The funny answer

Libertarians are to anarchists as nudists are to naked people.They're just middle class & organized so they appear less crazy.

Nonsense. Libertoonians are some of the craziest people in the world.

The Party answer (from Andre Marrou)

An anarchist is an extreme libertarian, like a socialist is an extreme democrat, and a fascist is an extreme republican.

You could say that, but it's not quite accurate. Both libertarianism and anarchism are 2 branches from the same point on the political spectrum. One is only even more 'out there' than the other (the anarchists.)

The graphic answer

It's like the difference between a lover and a rapist.They're both in the same place but one uses violence to get there.

What?

The straight answer

Libertarians believe in free markets, private property, and capitalism. Anarchists who believe in these things usually call themselves libertarians.

Very close.

1. Many libertarians? False.
2. False. Name some.
3. How so? Explain how they are crazy. I think Flacaltenn (and myself) are quite sane and probably more sane than a person who believes he has ESP. Most of you people who post here are batshit crazy to begin with.
4. Prove it. And even if that was the case, it is not the case HERE or with Gary Johnson. Derp.
5. What?
6. Nonsense.

 

[ChrisL]

Quotes might help, but you don't have any. All you have is hatred of marijuana, and a desire to keep the US taxpayer losing $300 billion per year which goes to narco terrorists who make life miserable for locals who then come here as illegals.

You have to be a GOD DAMNED FUCKING IDIOT to want to keep marijuana illegal. But if all your uneducated pea brain can do is parrot JDAAC preacher and Zionist "news," you support Trump or Hillary, neither of whom will legalize.

Easy there, if his "pea brain" was educated would that change anything ? Johnson recieved less than 1% of the vote in 2016. It is hard to see how he could even get into double figures with no money and little debate prospects.

He is already in double digits in many of the polls.

I'm pretty sure he meant to say in 2012, when Johnson got around 1% of the popular vote.

Well, he said 2016, and he would be wrong on that. I don't know about 2012. I wasn't a supporter of Mr. Johnson then.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Libertarians do not believe in "no government." Libertarians believe in limited government, and honestly Gary Johnson IS the best candidate on the ballot, especially when you consider the other two clowns.

Gary is wearing only but slightly less whiteface.

This doesn't make any sense. If you are going to address my posts, then make a point please.

You made a clown reference. Clowns call their base makeup whiteface.

With Gary throwing in with the global warmer bunch this week, he has officially crossed over into clown territory.

 

[ChrisL]

You are all angry that the libertarians are rising and going to steal votes from your respective candidates. We aren't fooled by you, that's for sure. You can throw yourselves on the floor and scream about anarchy and you just sound foolish.

Now you are strawmanning in a seemingly evident defense mechanism.

The only discourse in this thread was about whether consistent libertarians are anarchists. The agenda of mainstream American political parties is not relevant.

Defense? How do you figure? I'm going on offense against our establishment party candidates.

The thread is not about your opinions on libertarians and/or comparing them to anarchists, especially when that is obviously NOT the case with Gary Johnson, myself and MOST libertarians.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

That's what Republicans want, not libertarians. Libertarians are just very confused anarchists. They don't know WTF the want.

Just confused, and I agree.

One red flag I have seen a lot of "anarchists" commit, is I hear them support a law, ruler, or established institution.

You seem to have a very poor understanding of what it means to be a libertarian in 2016. Lol. Where do you get these ideas? Who says this stuff?

He makes the shit up as he goes along. Then copy and pastes boilerplate that affirms his confirmation bias.

He is to anarchists what Jake Starkey is to republicans.

 

[SYTFE]

That's what Republicans want, not libertarians. Libertarians are just very confused anarchists. They don't know WTF the want.

Just confused, and I agree.

One red flag I have seen a lot of "anarchists" commit, is I hear them support a law, ruler, or established institution.

You seem to have a very poor understanding of what it means to be a libertarian in 2016. Lol. Where do you get these ideas? Who says this stuff?

He makes the shit up as he goes along. Then copy and pastes boilerplate that affirms his confirmation bias.

He is to anarchists what Jake Starkey is to republicans.

What did I copy and paste? Back up your assertion, or get lost.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

What did I copy and paste? Back up your assertion, or get lost.

Wasn't talking about you, sport. Was referring to the other fake anarchist.

 

[SYTFE]

Libertarians are often accused of being anarchists or asked what the difference is between a libertarian and an anarchist. The popular image of anarchy is unrestrained violence and looting. Libertarians take a stronger stand against violence and looting than any other political group including republicans and democrats. The early history of the United States with its severely limited government was strongly libertarian and completely different from this image of anarchy.

The misunderstanding on this issue comes from the ideal state of peace and productivity with no government interference imagined by many libertarians who forget that we are the only ones who can imagine it. In a libertarian society the evolution of voluntary institutions providing the few remaining government services might lead to the gradual elimination of government but this scenario is completely beyond the imagination of the general public and it harms our cause to confront them with such a startling vision.

Here is a menu of answers to the question:

What's the difference between libertarians and anarchists?
The traditional answer
Libertarians want severely limited government and anarchists want none.

Libertarians "say" they want limited government. The truth is that you'll find that many libertarians would happily do away with government entirely, and many of them aren't even aware of their own hostility towards government. Their ideas about government are absolutely childish and ridiculous to boot, none of their ideas work in the real world. Want to see a libertoonian ideals in action? Visit Somalia.

The humanist answer

Libertarians are nonviolent; some anarchists are violent.

Horseshit. Many extreme rightist libertarians are some of the most aggressive, hostile and violent people in the country.

The funny answer

Libertarians are to anarchists as nudists are to naked people.They're just middle class & organized so they appear less crazy.

Nonsense. Libertoonians are some of the craziest people in the world.

The Party answer (from Andre Marrou)

An anarchist is an extreme libertarian, like a socialist is an extreme democrat, and a fascist is an extreme republican.

You could say that, but it's not quite accurate. Both libertarianism and anarchism are 2 branches from the same point on the political spectrum. One is only even more 'out there' than the other (the anarchists.)

The graphic answer

It's like the difference between a lover and a rapist.They're both in the same place but one uses violence to get there.

What?

The straight answer

Libertarians believe in free markets, private property, and capitalism. Anarchists who believe in these things usually call themselves libertarians.

Very close.

1. Many libertarians? False.
2. False. Name some.
3. How so? Explain how they are crazy. I think Flacaltenn (and myself) are quite sane and probably more sane than a person who believes he has ESP. Most of you people who post here are batshit crazy to begin with.
4. Prove it. And even if that was the case, it is not the case HERE or with Gary Johnson. Derp.
5. What?
6. Nonsense.

1. True.
2. Take your pick.
3. My thread about ESP wasn't serious. I've noticed libertoonians tend to lack a sense of humor as well. Their humor is dulled from constantly losing debates about how their idiotic ideals fail in the real world.
4. Take a look at the graphs over at politicalcompass.org. Educate yourself, I'm not going to spoonfeed you everything. For as often as libertoonians whine about handouts, you sure do love asking for them.
5. What?
6. Fact.

 

[Onyx]

goes along. Then copy and pastes boilerplate that affirms his confirmation bias.

He is to anarchists what Jake Starkey is to republicans.

What anarchist communities have you been involved in? How much anarchist literature have you read? How long have you been an anarchist?

I know the movement in and out. All the groups, philosophers, history, ect.

It is you who is openly denying other legitimate sub-ideologies in anarchism. Note how I am not trying to tear down your own (although my intuition is telling me you are a poser)

 

[ChrisL]

Libertarians are often accused of being anarchists or asked what the difference is between a libertarian and an anarchist. The popular image of anarchy is unrestrained violence and looting. Libertarians take a stronger stand against violence and looting than any other political group including republicans and democrats. The early history of the United States with its severely limited government was strongly libertarian and completely different from this image of anarchy.

The misunderstanding on this issue comes from the ideal state of peace and productivity with no government interference imagined by many libertarians who forget that we are the only ones who can imagine it. In a libertarian society the evolution of voluntary institutions providing the few remaining government services might lead to the gradual elimination of government but this scenario is completely beyond the imagination of the general public and it harms our cause to confront them with such a startling vision.

Here is a menu of answers to the question:

What's the difference between libertarians and anarchists?
The traditional answer
Libertarians want severely limited government and anarchists want none.

Libertarians "say" they want limited government. The truth is that you'll find that many libertarians would happily do away with government entirely, and many of them aren't even aware of their own hostility towards government. Their ideas about government are absolutely childish and ridiculous to boot, none of their ideas work in the real world. Want to see a libertoonian ideals in action? Visit Somalia.

The humanist answer

Libertarians are nonviolent; some anarchists are violent.

Horseshit. Many extreme rightist libertarians are some of the most aggressive, hostile and violent people in the country.

The funny answer

Libertarians are to anarchists as nudists are to naked people.They're just middle class & organized so they appear less crazy.

Nonsense. Libertoonians are some of the craziest people in the world.

The Party answer (from Andre Marrou)

An anarchist is an extreme libertarian, like a socialist is an extreme democrat, and a fascist is an extreme republican.

You could say that, but it's not quite accurate. Both libertarianism and anarchism are 2 branches from the same point on the political spectrum. One is only even more 'out there' than the other (the anarchists.)

The graphic answer

It's like the difference between a lover and a rapist.They're both in the same place but one uses violence to get there.

What?

The straight answer

Libertarians believe in free markets, private property, and capitalism. Anarchists who believe in these things usually call themselves libertarians.

Very close.

1. Many libertarians? False.
2. False. Name some.
3. How so? Explain how they are crazy. I think Flacaltenn (and myself) are quite sane and probably more sane than a person who believes he has ESP. Most of you people who post here are batshit crazy to begin with.
4. Prove it. And even if that was the case, it is not the case HERE or with Gary Johnson. Derp.
5. What?
6. Nonsense.

1. True.
2. Take your pick.
3. My thread about ESP wasn't serious. I've noticed libertoonians tend to lack a sense of humor as well. Their humor is dulled from constantly losing debates about how their idiotic ideals fail in the real world.
4. Take a look at the graphs over at politicalcompass.org. Educate yourself, I'm not going to spoonfeed you everything. For as often as libertoonians whine about handouts, you sure do love asking for them.
5. What?
6. Fact.

1. FALSE. "Many" libertarians do not believe that load of bull. You are obviously making that up! Lol.
2. No. Name names.
3. Sorry, but it's not surprising that you are just ANOTHER batshit crazy loony tune partisan. You are a democrat/liberal, correct? That means "craaaazzzy." My sense of humor is probably mountains above yours because you are really not very funny, TBH. More annoying than anything else, and your a NEWB! Lol.
4. Obviously you are clueless and out of touch with TODAY's libertarians, most of whom are young people.
5. What what?
6. You have yet to post any facts. Lol. Bahaha.

 

[Onyx]

Wasn't talking about you, sport. Was referring to the other fake anarchist.

'What is your definition of anarchism?

 

[MarcATL]

I mean, it isn't even close.

Gary had a great record in NM, is a decent, honest, and patriotic American.

He is head and shoulders above any candidate on the ballot. Literally, none of the others even reach his knees....

Well I know he's the only true conservative on the ballot...



He TOTALLY mopped the floor with all these so-called & self-proclaimed Conservatives of FOXNEWS' "The Five."

 

[ChrisL]

So who is the better candidate on the ballot? Hillary? Trump? Really?

 

[SYTFE]

1. FALSE. "Many" libertarians do not believe that load of bull. You are obviously making that up! Lol.
2. No. Name names.
3. Sorry, but it's not surprising that you are just ANOTHER batshit crazy loony tune partisan. You are a democrat/liberal, correct? That means "craaaazzzy." My sense of humor is probably mountains above yours because you are really not very funny, TBH. More annoying than anything else, and your a NEWB! Lol.
4. Obviously you are clueless and out of touch with TODAY's libertarians, most of whom are young people.
5. What what?
6. You have yet to post any facts. Lol. Bahaha.

#1, you aren't funny at all. It's almost as if you have a complete void in terms of a sense of humor. The fact that you thought my other thread about being psychic was serious speaks volumes about you. You actually worry me.

I want you to become familiar with the work over at politalcompass.org. Those guys are pretty libertarian, so I think you'll find it makes sense.

Here's where Gary Johnson lands on the spectrum.

Here's where the other candidates end up:

Any lower quadrant is basically libertarian land, however one can lean heavily right or left. I end up in the lower left quadrant close to Jill Stein. It's also where Ghandi would've been.

My results:

So, actually I side with libertarians on quite a bit of stuff. But I certainly don't consider myself a libertarian, what we think of as libertarians today end up in the lower right quadrant.

The reason why anarchists and libertarians are similar is because they inevitably end up in the lower quadrants, just on opposite sides. Many of their core values are the same, but they have different 'takes' on things such as the state, government, oppression, and freedom.

 

[ChrisL]

1. FALSE. "Many" libertarians do not believe that load of bull. You are obviously making that up! Lol.
2. No. Name names.
3. Sorry, but it's not surprising that you are just ANOTHER batshit crazy loony tune partisan. You are a democrat/liberal, correct? That means "craaaazzzy." My sense of humor is probably mountains above yours because you are really not very funny, TBH. More annoying than anything else, and your a NEWB! Lol.
4. Obviously you are clueless and out of touch with TODAY's libertarians, most of whom are young people.
5. What what?
6. You have yet to post any facts. Lol. Bahaha.

#1, you aren't funny at all. It's almost as if you have a complete void in terms of a sense of humor. The fact that you thought my other thread about being psychic was serious speaks volumes about you. You actually worry me.

I want you to become familiar with the work over at politalcompass.org. Those guys are pretty libertarian, so I think you'll find it makes sense.

Here's where Gary Johnson lands on the spectrum.

Here's where the other candidates end up:

Any lower quadrant is basically libertarian land, however one can lean heavily right or left. I end up in the lower left quadrant close to Jill Stein. It's also where Ghandi would've been.

My results:

So, actually I side with libertarians on quite a bit of stuff. But I certainly don't consider myself a libertarian, what we think of as libertarians today end up in the lower right quadrant.

The reason why anarchists and libertarians are similar is because they inevitably end up in the lower quadrants, just on opposite sides. Many of their core values are the same, but they have different 'takes' on things such as the state, government, oppression, and freedom.

I have an awesome sense of humor. WAAAY better than yours. Like I said, you are not funny. You are annoying. There is a difference. Maybe you try too hard.

Your charts don't say anything about Gary Johnson being an ANARCHIST though, do they? Lol. That is your claim, no? Prove it.

 

[SYTFE]

1. FALSE. "Many" libertarians do not believe that load of bull. You are obviously making that up! Lol.
2. No. Name names.
3. Sorry, but it's not surprising that you are just ANOTHER batshit crazy loony tune partisan. You are a democrat/liberal, correct? That means "craaaazzzy." My sense of humor is probably mountains above yours because you are really not very funny, TBH. More annoying than anything else, and your a NEWB! Lol.
4. Obviously you are clueless and out of touch with TODAY's libertarians, most of whom are young people.
5. What what?
6. You have yet to post any facts. Lol. Bahaha.

#1, you aren't funny at all. It's almost as if you have a complete void in terms of a sense of humor. The fact that you thought my other thread about being psychic was serious speaks volumes about you. You actually worry me.

I want you to become familiar with the work over at politalcompass.org. Those guys are pretty libertarian, so I think you'll find it makes sense.

Here's where Gary Johnson lands on the spectrum.

Here's where the other candidates end up:

Any lower quadrant is basically libertarian land, however one can lean heavily right or left. I end up in the lower left quadrant close to Jill Stein. It's also where Ghandi would've been.

My results:

So, actually I side with libertarians on quite a bit of stuff. But I certainly don't consider myself a libertarian, what we think of as libertarians today end up in the lower right quadrant.

The reason why anarchists and libertarians are similar is because they inevitably end up in the lower quadrants, just on opposite sides. Many of their core values are the same, but they have different 'takes' on things such as the state, government, oppression, and freedom.

I have an awesome sense of humor. WAAAY better than yours. Like I said, you are not funny. You are annoying. There is a difference. Maybe you try too hard.

Your charts don't say anything about Gary Johnson being an ANARCHIST though, do they? Lol. That is your claim, no? Prove it.

There is no "try" for me, I only "do." I express myself as I please, and people either laugh at my posts, agree with me, disagree with me, or get mad at me and call me names -- just as you are now doing. It's a very predictable pattern. I had you pegged immediately.

Johnson is differentiated from anarchists purely on economic stuff. But even he would be surprised to find out how much he has in common with lefty anarchists.

 

[SYTFE]

One of the weirdest things about Johnson was that he used to support the death penalty -- even for children as young as 13 and 14. He no longer supports that, but it is a red flag in terms of his mental stability. How anyone who claims to be 'libertarian' could ever support the death penalty, even for children, probably should not be trusted in any capacity whatsoever.

Like I said, libertoonians don't know what the fuck they want. They're the most confused people in America. Probably from all the weed. Or maybe just bad DNA.