Can Conservatives Criticise Conservative Politicians?

Well since the OP didn't specify the politician, I'll just list my complaints with the GOP as a whole.

1. They talk the talk but they won't walk the walk. Especially on fiscal issues. When not in power, they talk about fiscal sanity and when they get power they spend like Democrats.

2. Lately the have been willing to compromise their beliefs and principles for power.

3. They are walking on egg shells. Instead of extolling the many virtues of conservatism or pointing out the obvious failures of this administration and progressivism in general, they cower like chickens, afraid of alienating anyone.

4. This one is also a major criticism of the left as well: They crow about rights and liberties but they only actually support the rights and liberties that they approve of.

Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.
 
Well since the OP didn't specify the politician, I'll just list my complaints with the GOP as a whole.

1. They talk the talk but they won't walk the walk. Especially on fiscal issues. When not in power, they talk about fiscal sanity and when they get power they spend like Democrats.

2. Lately the have been willing to compromise their beliefs and principles for power.

3. They are walking on egg shells. Instead of extolling the many virtues of conservatism or pointing out the obvious failures of this administration and progressivism in general, they cower like chickens, afraid of alienating anyone.

4. This one is also a major criticism of the left as well: They crow about rights and liberties but they only actually support the rights and liberties that they approve of.

Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.

It's not that simple when you have a senate and a president who aren't willing to compromise. And that wasn't what I meant. I meant that they are willing to soften their stances within their own party in order to get more votes in the next election.
 
Define conservative?

I am extremely conservative on fiscal issues and criticize both parties on their fiscal policies

I am wildly liberal on social policies and can criticize both parties on their social policies
 
Well since the OP didn't specify the politician, I'll just list my complaints with the GOP as a whole.

1. They talk the talk but they won't walk the walk. Especially on fiscal issues. When not in power, they talk about fiscal sanity and when they get power they spend like Democrats.

2. Lately the have been willing to compromise their beliefs and principles for power.

3. They are walking on egg shells. Instead of extolling the many virtues of conservatism or pointing out the obvious failures of this administration and progressivism in general, they cower like chickens, afraid of alienating anyone.

4. This one is also a major criticism of the left as well: They crow about rights and liberties but they only actually support the rights and liberties that they approve of.

Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.

they were willing to make a deal, it was obama that refused to compromise. The GOP house has passed several budget bills that would have helped reduce the deficit---Reid would not let a single one come to the floor of the senate--------so again, who is refusing to compromise?
 
Redfish -

I say again - when you lose an election, you have an obligation to the voters to do more than hold the country to ransom.
 
Well since the OP didn't specify the politician, I'll just list my complaints with the GOP as a whole.

1. They talk the talk but they won't walk the walk. Especially on fiscal issues. When not in power, they talk about fiscal sanity and when they get power they spend like Democrats.

2. Lately the have been willing to compromise their beliefs and principles for power.

3. They are walking on egg shells. Instead of extolling the many virtues of conservatism or pointing out the obvious failures of this administration and progressivism in general, they cower like chickens, afraid of alienating anyone.

4. This one is also a major criticism of the left as well: They crow about rights and liberties but they only actually support the rights and liberties that they approve of.

Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.

the election was 51/49. a very slim win for obama. the country is very divided. One side wants european socialism where the govt runs every aspect of our lives, and the other wants smaller less intrusive govt and individual freedom.

I don't see many areas of compromise between those two positions
 
Well since the OP didn't specify the politician, I'll just list my complaints with the GOP as a whole.

1. They talk the talk but they won't walk the walk. Especially on fiscal issues. When not in power, they talk about fiscal sanity and when they get power they spend like Democrats.

2. Lately the have been willing to compromise their beliefs and principles for power.

3. They are walking on egg shells. Instead of extolling the many virtues of conservatism or pointing out the obvious failures of this administration and progressivism in general, they cower like chickens, afraid of alienating anyone.

4. This one is also a major criticism of the left as well: They crow about rights and liberties but they only actually support the rights and liberties that they approve of.

Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.
The fiscal cliff was a product of compromise.....Just further proof that no matter what you give to the left to try and mollify them, it's never ever good enough.
 
Well since the OP didn't specify the politician, I'll just list my complaints with the GOP as a whole.

1. They talk the talk but they won't walk the walk. Especially on fiscal issues. When not in power, they talk about fiscal sanity and when they get power they spend like Democrats.

2. Lately the have been willing to compromise their beliefs and principles for power.

3. They are walking on egg shells. Instead of extolling the many virtues of conservatism or pointing out the obvious failures of this administration and progressivism in general, they cower like chickens, afraid of alienating anyone.

4. This one is also a major criticism of the left as well: They crow about rights and liberties but they only actually support the rights and liberties that they approve of.

Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.

the election was 51/49. a very slim win for obama. the country is very divided. One side wants european socialism where the govt runs every aspect of our lives, and the other wants smaller less intrusive govt and individual freedom.

I don't see many areas of compromise between those two positions

Ronald Reagan won 1980 election with only 50.8%
 
Well since the OP didn't specify the politician, I'll just list my complaints with the GOP as a whole.

1. They talk the talk but they won't walk the walk. Especially on fiscal issues. When not in power, they talk about fiscal sanity and when they get power they spend like Democrats.

2. Lately the have been willing to compromise their beliefs and principles for power.

3. They are walking on egg shells. Instead of extolling the many virtues of conservatism or pointing out the obvious failures of this administration and progressivism in general, they cower like chickens, afraid of alienating anyone.

4. This one is also a major criticism of the left as well: They crow about rights and liberties but they only actually support the rights and liberties that they approve of.

Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.
The fiscal cliff was a product of compromise.....Just further proof that no matter what you give to the left to try and mollify them, it's never ever good enough.

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Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.

the election was 51/49. a very slim win for obama. the country is very divided. One side wants european socialism where the govt runs every aspect of our lives, and the other wants smaller less intrusive govt and individual freedom.

I don't see many areas of compromise between those two positions

Ronald Reagan won 1980 election with only 50.8%

yeah, so what? did anyone say that Reagan had a mandate?

the point is that many of you on the left are falsely claiming that obama has a mandate, and he does not.
 
the election was 51/49. a very slim win for obama. the country is very divided. One side wants european socialism where the govt runs every aspect of our lives, and the other wants smaller less intrusive govt and individual freedom.

I don't see many areas of compromise between those two positions

Ronald Reagan won 1980 election with only 50.8%

yeah, so what? did anyone say that Reagan had a mandate?

the point is that many of you on the left are falsely claiming that obama has a mandate, and he does not.

yes people did and do

Obama had a mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy elites.
It was debated by the Obama/Biden ticket versus the Romney/Ryan ticket and the people voted to raise taxes on the wealthy elites.

Republicans always argue they have a broad sweeping mandate. I never said Obama had a broad sweeping mandate, but a mandate he has on what he ran on versus what the GOP ran against. The people as a nation voted.

Senators and Representatives do not get mandates from America. They get mandates from congressional districts and states. Only the President gets a national mandate.
 

yeah, so what? did anyone say that Reagan had a mandate?

the point is that many of you on the left are falsely claiming that obama has a mandate, and he does not.

yes people did and do

Obama had a mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy elites.
It was debated by the Obama/Biden ticket versus the Romney/Ryan ticket and the people voted to raise taxes on the wealthy elites.

Republicans always argue they have a broad sweeping mandate. I never said Obama had a broad sweeping mandate, but a mandate he has on what he ran on versus what the GOP ran against. The people as a nation voted.

Senators and Representatives do not get mandates from America. They get mandates from congressional districts and states. Only the President gets a national mandate.

In common parlance, "mandate" means overwhelming support for a policy or idea. Obama does not have a mandate.

Yes, they and the media sold half the people on the lie that taxing the evil rich would solve all of our problems. It won't and you know it.

anyone who claimed that Reagan had a mandate in his first term is wrong. He did have a mandate in his second election
 
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It's time to put your mouth where your money is.

If you are a Conservative, I'd like you to tell us what you do not like or have not liked about any recent conservative politician, or about the GOP.

I'd ask liberal posters to refrain from dumping on them!

Funny I have often wondered the same about politically liberal people.

I lean fiscally conservative and social moderate I suppose and I dislike the GOP today in general. Romney did not get me support or vote. Over the years I have disliked many politicians and elected ones on various issues.

A few to name off the top of my head:

Mark Foley, John Ensign and Ted Haggard
 
yeah, so what? did anyone say that Reagan had a mandate?

the point is that many of you on the left are falsely claiming that obama has a mandate, and he does not.

yes people did and do

Obama had a mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy elites.
It was debated by the Obama/Biden ticket versus the Romney/Ryan ticket and the people voted to raise taxes on the wealthy elites.

Republicans always argue they have a broad sweeping mandate. I never said Obama had a broad sweeping mandate, but a mandate he has on what he ran on versus what the GOP ran against. The people as a nation voted.

Senators and Representatives do not get mandates from America. They get mandates from congressional districts and states. Only the President gets a national mandate.

In common parlance, "mandate" means overwhelming support for a policy or idea. Obama does not have a mandate.

Yes, they and the media sold half the people on the lie that taxing the evil rich would solve all of our problems. It won't and you know it.

anyone who claimed that Reagan had a mandate in his first term is wrong. He did have a mandate in his second election

Link to something that backs up your assertion that 'they and the media' said raising taxes (just a little bit...back to the bad old days of Clinton when the wealthy went broke) on the wealthy would solve all problems.

man·date
/ˈmanˌdāt/
Noun
An official order or commission to do something: "a federal mandate".
Verb
Give (someone) authority to act in a certain way: "other colleges have mandated coed fraternities".
Synonyms
order - warrant - commission - command
 
Well since the OP didn't specify the politician, I'll just list my complaints with the GOP as a whole.

1. They talk the talk but they won't walk the walk. Especially on fiscal issues. When not in power, they talk about fiscal sanity and when they get power they spend like Democrats.

2. Lately the have been willing to compromise their beliefs and principles for power.

3. They are walking on egg shells. Instead of extolling the many virtues of conservatism or pointing out the obvious failures of this administration and progressivism in general, they cower like chickens, afraid of alienating anyone.

4. This one is also a major criticism of the left as well: They crow about rights and liberties but they only actually support the rights and liberties that they approve of.

Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.

First off, I think the GOP should stick to their guns on sequestration. It's really such a miner issue that it is the perfect opportunity to say - QUIT SPENDING OR YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT COMPROMISE.

Secondy, the thing I believe he was referring to regarding compromise, is the way that the GOP is trying to develop a new identity by compromising ideals in an effort to increase popularity to folks in the middle. Not certain, but that is how I took it.
 
Well since the OP didn't specify the politician, I'll just list my complaints with the GOP as a whole.

1. They talk the talk but they won't walk the walk. Especially on fiscal issues. When not in power, they talk about fiscal sanity and when they get power they spend like Democrats.

2. Lately the have been willing to compromise their beliefs and principles for power.

3. They are walking on egg shells. Instead of extolling the many virtues of conservatism or pointing out the obvious failures of this administration and progressivism in general, they cower like chickens, afraid of alienating anyone.

4. This one is also a major criticism of the left as well: They crow about rights and liberties but they only actually support the rights and liberties that they approve of.

Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.

the election was 51/49. a very slim win for obama. the country is very divided. One side wants european socialism where the govt runs every aspect of our lives, and the other wants smaller less intrusive govt and individual freedom.

I don't see many areas of compromise between those two positions

When you look at it on the whole you are absolutely right, but if you look at specific issues there are places that we can find agreement. If you look at imigration, for example, I think we can accomplish things for both sides on that issue. I think there is also some hope to think that we can reach some kind of solution regarding the second amendment (I think Obama is learning that he bit off more than he can chew there) -- The dems are going to have to give up bans - but the GOP can make room where prospective purchasers show mental instability/reasonable background checks.

IMO - Obama has acted pretty childish on many of his hardline stances shutting out many good ideas from the right. Showing a willingness to REALLY work with the GOP would set the groundwork to actually accomplish some things before his legacy is one where he accomplishes nothing that he couldn't force through with Chicago style politics.
 
Some very good comments here - well worth reading. Thanks.

That said - I disagree totally on the compromise element. Losing an election means they don't have a mandate to do much except compromise on issues like the fiscal cliff. They should have gone into that room willing and able to make a deal.
The fiscal cliff was a product of compromise.....Just further proof that no matter what you give to the left to try and mollify them, it's never ever good enough.

crybabyinchieftear.jpg

Learning that there is a mother in you, actually explains a LOT!!! :wink_2:
 

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