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[Red Front]

The pogroms weren't part of the civil war.


DURRRRRRRR

I never mentioned anything about pogroms.

 

[westwall]

Not if the deaths are caused by war. Capitalist death tolls are much higher.

Not even close. The Soviet Union lost 26 million in WWII. The Nazis lost 4.8 million. The Japanese lost 4.7 million.

The British lost 450,000, the French 250,000, and the Americans 350,000.

That's because socialist countries don't value people. Capitalist countries do.

The level of your ignorance is astonishing.

 

[westwall]

I never mentioned anything about pogroms.

Of course not. They blow your lies out of the water.

 

[scruffy]

Whenever socialism is tried it performs better than capitalism, across the board. Even in the case of the Soviet Union, where despite of the Wests invasion of Russia after WW1, sanctions, and four million Germans invading it, it became the second-largest economy in the world. The Soviets industrialized a poor, under-industrialized agrarian society in less than twenty years into an industrial juggernaut. It accomplished what took the US and Western Europe more than 140 years of industrialization, in just two decades. That's the power of socialism.

Are you fucking nuts?

Ever seen a Soviet radio? Jay-sus.

Fucking commies screw up everything they touch.

After the war they inherited/stole the best microphone plant in the world from the Germans, and promptly fucked it up so bad they had to sell it BACK to the Germans.

There is no path a socialist government puts you on by force as far as work or career, you're quite confused. You should read Marx and educate yourself. As far as the "gulag", the longest sentence was ten years and it was more of a work camp than anything else. There are prisons here in the US now that are worse than gulags and in this country you can get sentenced to as much as 1000 years.

Oh come on. The old joke in the Soviet union was, "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us".

Your death toll figures are groundless and amount to nothing more than capitalist cold-war propaganda.

BULLSHIT.

You sir, are a stone cold liar.

Add in the 60 million in China, and that's well over 100 million

I'll tell you exactly why it happens too, it's not rocket science.

 

[westwall]

It's the capitalists who are the genocidal maniacs.

Bullshit. The facts speak for themselves.

 

[Red Front]

For those who want to examine the evidence for communism, here are a few books written by an American scholar who is fluent in Russian and has access to the Soviet archives:

 

[Red Front]

Not even close. The Soviet Union lost 26 million in WWII. The Nazis lost 4.8 million. The Japanese lost 4.7 million.

The British lost 450,000, the French 250,000, and the Americans 350,000.

That's because socialist countries don't value people. Capitalist countries do.

The level of your ignorance is astonishing.

It's because Germany was the most advanced and powerful military at the time. The Soviets lost nine million soldiers and about 18 million civilians from many different causes. You're quite ignorant.

 

[scruffy]

Evidence. Anyways even if that were the case, and it's not, it doesn't render socialism or communism an ineffective economic system.

See? ^^^

Told ya the nutballs would be coming out of the woodwork.

There has only been ONE working communist system ever in history, it was in India and it only worked because there was a common economy.

Everywhere else it's been a complete disaster.

 

[Red Front]

Bullshit. The facts speak for themselves.

That's correct the facts speak for themselves, unfortunately for you, the facts aren't what you want.

 

[scruffy]

That's correct the facts speak for themselves, unfortunately for you, the facts aren't what you want.

^^^

Just more bullshit revisionism from the libtards.

 

[Red Front]

See? ^^^

Told ya the nutballs would be coming out of the woodwork.

There has only been ONE working communist system ever in history, it was in India and it only worked because there was a common economy.

Everywhere else it's been a complete disaster.

A complete success for tens of thousands of years, both when we were living in hunter-gatherer tribes and when tried in the 20th century. The USSR didn't collapse due to socialism but despite it. More, communism is the natural, inevitable end of human production, not capitalism. Capitalism will be forced to socialize its production in the next few decades and eventually we will all be communists, including you and your grandchildren.

 

[Red Front]

^^^

Just more bullshit revisionism from the libtards.

Everything I assert here is backed by the facts, where all you have to offer are emotional outbursts and cheap capitalist rhetoric.

 

[Soupnazi630]

When was the last time your employer held an election?

When was the last time an employer forced you to apply for a job?

 

[Red Front]

Are you fucking nuts?

Ever seen a Soviet radio? Jay-sus.

Fucking commies screw up everything they touch.

After the war they inherited/stole the best microphone plant in the world from the Germans, and promptly fucked it up so bad they had to sell it BACK to the Germans.



Oh come on. The old joke in the Soviet union was, "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us".



BULLSHIT.

You sir, are a stone cold liar.

Add in the 60 million in China, and that's well over 100 million

I'll tell you exactly why it happens too, it's not rocket science.

Cheap rhetoric. Communism proved to be the quickest method to industrialize a nation. It turned Russia, a poor, agrarian society, into an industrial giant and rival of the United States in a few decades, despite all of the wars and sanctions..etc.

 

[Soupnazi630]

A complete success for tens of thousands of years, both when we were living in hunter-gatherer tribes and when tried in the 20th century. The USSR didn't collapse due to socialism but despite it. More, communism is the natural, inevitable end of human production, not capitalism. Capitalism will be forced to socialize its production in the next few decades and eventually we will all be communists, including you and your gra-

Believe whatever nonsense toots your horn, Bubba.

Those were facts little one not nonsense.

The nonsense is the proven falsehoods spewed by Marx

 

[Soupnazi630]

Cheap rhetoric. Communism proved to be the quickest method to industrialize a nation. It turned Russia, a poor, agrarian society, into an industrial giant and rival of the United States in a few decades, despite all of the wars and sanctions..etc.

It turned Russia into a slave state and vast wasteland of destitution and poverty

 

[Red Front]

When was the last time an employer forced you to apply for a job?

People need to sell their labor power to a capitalist to eat and have a roof over their heads, so that's a silly question. You supposed champions of democracy and freedom, only want it in government and politics but not where most people spend most of their waking hours. In the workplace. Democracy shouldn't just be in politics, but also in the workplace.

 

[Red Front]

Those were facts little one not nonsense.

The nonsense is the proven falsehoods spewed by Marx

You've never read Marx so how would you know?

 

[Soupnazi630]

All of the scholarship disagrees with you.

No it does not.

You have to selectively find a few NON scholars to support your styupid claims where most disagree with YOU

 

[Soupnazi630]

People need to sell their labor power to a capitalist to eat and have a roof over their heads, so that's a silly question. You supposed champions of democracy and freedom, only want it in government and politics but not where most people spend most of their waking hours. In the workplace. Democracy shouldn't just be in politics, but also in the workplace.

People need to labor in order to survivie regardless of the system.

It is a legitimate question and you run from it like a coward. Democracy should not be in politics or the workplace.