Can The Students Be Silenced?

[Avatar4321]

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The NRA fights for our right to defend ourself because all lives matter.

Why do you want people to be helpless to violent attackers?

 

[Avatar4321]

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This country needs to be better armed

Of course nothing could be further from the truth. Try again. You failed the first time.

What a stupid fucking post!

Let's ban baseball, hockey, tennis, golf, billiards, and all other sports that use anything that can be turned into a weapon.

You are totally unreasonable.

Unreasonable is his real name

 

[Avatar4321]

1) It wasn't the conservatives who practically trampled each other to get in front of the cameras and start screaming demands before the shooter's name was even known, and before the coroner even had a chance to zip up the body bags, Chuckles, so don't tell US about "hopping on warm bodies and politicizing".

2) There are the exact same reasons to own an AR15 as there are for any other gun. The fact that you think it looks and sounds scary means absolutely nothing.

3) Unless the 2nd Amendment suddenly developed an "emanation from the penumbras" in the last five minutes and now reads, "keep and bear arms, except for AR15s", it does, in fact, give us the right to own one.

4) If your negotiating position is "You can only offer options the NRA doesn't like", then you might as well go home and come back to the table when you're serious.

5) The fact that stupid, pointless shit never dies and continues to shamble around like a particularly brain-damaged zombie doesn't obligate anyone to take it seriously.

"Arms" include the weapons of war. Today's arms, notwithstanding Scalia's excessive defense in Heller, have an ability far beyond the imagination of those who signed off on the Bill of Rights. We've seen how effective an AR15 is in killing and maiming, common sense suggests such a weapon in the hands of untrained civilians of any age, is a foolish policy.

An ar15 is just a sporting rifle

I know that, and YOU know that, but SOME people can't get past the notion that it's some super-special, extraordinarily evil outlier that has somehow slipped through a loophole to prey on the unsuspecting public.

For some reason progressives think that firearms can kill without an operator/control operator possibly. It must be the public schools they went to… It must be a politically correct thing I cannot understand… LOL

Sorry, me NRA tool. No progressive believes what you would like to say they do. That would just be you acting as a con troll. We all know that it is people USEING assault rifles that do most of the killings in mass shootings. And relative to what you think is the school of choice of progressives, you have no clue. You have to be smart enough to be capable of entry into a school, which you obviously are not.

1) please write properly instead of using run on & fragments. It distracts from any point you try to make

2)you’ve clearly never been to school if you think you need to be smart to go to school. There are lots of stupid people who are supposedly well educated. Money is more important than intelligence to most educational institutions.

3) if you want to persuade people that you’re correct or even get them to listen, insulting them is the least effective way to do it

 

[Rustic]

No...it won't....it hasn't stopped mass shootings in Australia or Britain...they keep getting by on dumb luck...but their criminals and others get guns, and only pure, dumb luck has saved them...

IDIOT,YOU ARE FCUKING LYING,AUSTRALIA LEADS THE WORLD IN MASS SHOOTINGS ..NONE FOR 30 ODD YEARS,AND WORLDS LOWEST AT 1,4 DEATHS PER MILLION COMPARED TO THE HIGHEST IN THE WESTERN WORLD AT 29,5

LUCK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.....THINK OF IT LIKE THIS.SINCE SANDY HOOK THE US HAS HAD OVER 1670 MASS SHOOTINGS...COMPARED TO AUSTRALIA NIL

REVOKE THE 2nd,you people are not fit MENTALLY TO CARRY A GUN.....AND BAN GUNS PERIOD....YOU WILL BE MUCH SAFER...JOIN THE MORE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE OF THE WORLD >>>>>AND REVOKE 2 AND BAN WEAPONS......

Dumb shit......Can you explain which Australian gun laws stopped these shooters from shooting 4 or more people in a public space?

La Trobe university shooting....1 killed ,one wounded
Cabramatta wedding shooting....7 people shot, none died
Monash University shooting,....2 killed, 5 injured....

Notice...2 school shootings that happened after they banned and confiscated guns, the only reason they are not mass public shootings?......the shooters didn't kill more people with the gun they had in a public space...dumb luck, not Australian gun laws...

Melbourne CBD shooting...1 killed 2 wounded.

Hectorville siege....3 dead, one wounded....technically a family killing but he could have gone to a church, a mall, a theater, or a school....

Gold Coast, Bikie Mall Shooting.....in a mall, with a gun, shooting at rivals....Australian gun control did not stop him from shooting 4 or more strangers in the mall....he just wanted to murder rival gang members...

Hectorville Mall Siege....

Do you see the point, dumb ass.....these aren't even all the shootings in public spaces by individuals with illegal guns......

No, dumb ass, Australian gun control laws did not stop their mass shootings...dumb luck has kept them safe....

More, with some repeats.....

• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
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• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

Here is a neater list.....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
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• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria at La Trobe university in Melbourne, Victoria, armed with a 38-calibre revolver handgun and opened fire, killing cafeteria manager Leon Capraro and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

21st century[edit]
2000s[edit]

• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[62][63]
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• 16 July 2001 – Peter James Knight, an anti-abortion activist, walked into an abortion clinic in East Melbourne armed with a rifle. Knight shot dead security guard Stephen Gordon Rogers and was later overpowered by staff in the abortion clinic. After his arrest, Knight was charged and convicted of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison.
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families. Twenty-four-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom. Up to 100 shots were fired into the house by four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
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• 18 February 2006 – Cardross Hit and Run – Thomas Graham Towle crashed his car at high speed into a group of 13 teenagers, killing six and injuring seven near the town ofCardross, Victoria.[73]
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[75]

An expidited list.....

Here is a list of shootings in Australia...notice, they are all after they banned and confiscated guns...tell me....how did Australian gun laws stop these from becoming mass shootings?

I will quote a few....read the rest....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

If he had decided to keep shooting...would Australian gun laws have kept this from being a mass shooting?
Tell me...this doesn't count as a mass shooting...only because more of the victims didn't die...7 people shot......did Australian gun laws stop it from being a mass shooting?

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

Another one.....this shooter couldn't clear his rifle...so he only killed 2...the new standard for a mass shooting incident is 3 dead victims...so how did Australian gun laws keep this from being a mass shooting...rather than just dumb luck....?

• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

And had this guy decided to keep shooting.....would Australian gun laws have stopped him? And kept this from being a mass shooting?

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

Can you see that CNN's article is just wrong....that it implies that Australian gun control has ended their mass shootings...and that that is a lie?

And more....

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

this guy actually went into a mall......with a gun......after they banned and confiscated them...so tell me how this doesn't show that the CNN article is a lie....

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]

How did Australian gun control laws keep this shooting from being a muslim terrorist mass shooting? An immigrant to Australia got a gun in a country where they banned and confiscated them and now claim their gun control laws have stopped mass shootings...

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

And how did Australian gun control keep this shooting from being a mass shooting?

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.

And had this kid walked into his school.....as a muslim immigrant and simply shot 3 kids....it would have been an act of muslim terrorism and a mass shooting ....again, luck saved Australia, not their gun control laws...

• And how did Australian gun laws keep these muslim teenager from going to a school with this gun and shooting a bunch of students?
  
  Sydney police HQ shooting linked to terrorism: police commissioner
  
  The actions of the 15-year-old gunman who shot dead a New South Wales police civilian employee were an act of terrorism, police say.
  
  The radicalised youth of Middle Eastern background has been named as Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad.
  
  He killed the police employee, Curtis Cheng, as he was leaving police headquarters at Parramatta in Sydney's west around 4:30pm yesterday.
  
  The offender then fired several more shots at officers as they emerged from the building to respond to the incident.

What a stupid post. Looking for an excuse to sit on your fat ass while more children die because some kid had access to an assault type rifle.

A Vote Republican is a vote for more children blood in schools,. less education, polluted air & water & a more difficult future for everyone.

Any Vote for a democrat is a vote to end the 2nd Amendment, and leave you defenseless....

I am just shocked you even have a gun after Obama took all of them.

You don't give a shit that the air will be dirtier, the water more polluted, workplaces more dangerous, your children's future in danger from MMGW,.
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All you give a shit about is your precious gun.

HOW FUCKING PATHETIC CAN YOU GET

Only fucking retards believe gun free zones are effective at keeping crazy people out

 

[Cellblock2429]

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Since the student survivors of the mass murder at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School began their drive to ban the sale of semi-automatic, assault type rifles, the tremendous response from other students nationwide has turned their cause into a strong, grass roots movement.

Conservatives and their leaders are deeply concerned over the possible results this overwhelming number of kids could have. Conservatives, gun nuts, and Republican politicians are appalled by these kids demanding their safety be a priority over the gun nuts’ lunatic desire to own the phallic symbol that is their favorite to stroke and kiss.

Due to this uncontrollable fear conservatives have at the thought of losing their penile substitute, Mitch McConnell decided to ignore the growing number of young voters in this movement. With the coming mid-term elections, these many, many, many students now have the potential to join with tens-of-millions of progressive voters and put the Democrats in control of congress.

In addition to Mitch, conservative community leaders, conservatives on school boards and school administrators have done all they can to stifle the students’ enthusiasm. And now, the National Parks Service is doing so.

A “March For Our Lives” rally was planned by the Stoneman Douglas survivors to take place on the Mall in D.C., but organizers were refused a permit by the National Parks Service management. A representative for the Park Service cited a conflict with a “talent show” as the reason.

The co-executive producer of “Dancing With the Stars” Deena Katz was brought in by the Stoneman Douglas survivors to plan the major event and has a nearly $2 million budget. The money is was raised with a “GoFundMe page, along with donations from Oprah Winfrey, Steven Spielberg and George and Amal Clooney.”

The “talent show” permit application listed equipment for the film crew’s use for the Mall as two tables, two bikes and jump ropes.

The list on the permit application for the March For Our Lives rally included 14 Jumbotrons, 2,000 chairs and 2,000 portable restrooms to be funded with part of the $2 million.

This equipment will be used by the “student speakers, musical performers, guest speakers and video tributes,” and up to an estimated 500,000 attendees, according to the permit application.

The D.C. location for March For Our Lives rally is just one of many big and small events planned in cities across the nation on the same day.

For the conservatives, the gun nuts, and Republican politicians sworn to serve the NRA, be afraid, be very afraid. And keep trying to silence this protest by these young voters. Their anger is not going away, and their numbers are growing. How many millions in 2018? And how many millions more in 2020? Yes, be afraid, be very, very afraid. (And keep pi$$ing them off. It can only help their cause.)

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, the conservatives remain either unaware or will deny their individual response to this thread is their typical nonsense consisting of denial, alternate facts, and/or off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, deflection, memes, etc.). Their mindless prattle is expected by people of reason, who also realize it is a waste of time to offer the conservatives any reply.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/organizers-plan-for-500000-attendees-at-march-for-our-lives-rally-in-washington/2018/02/22/a9ff1992-17f9-11e8-8ac5-84161111ace0_story.html?utm_term=.353cdd5cb3f1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/march-for-our-lives-gun-control-rally-bumped-from-mall-by-talent-show/2018/03/01/ad8c7268-1cc6-11e8-9496-c89dc446c2d3_story.html?utm_term=.66b0cab356d5
/——/ Yeah, Stormy Daniels pretty much kicked the kids to the curb for the MSM.





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[Avatar4321]

No, they won't be silenced.

Again, no one is trying to silence them. Only educate them

 

[Avatar4321]

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Since the student survivors of the mass murder at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School began their drive to ban the sale of semi-automatic, assault type rifles, the tremendous response from other students nationwide has turned their cause into a strong, grass roots movement.

Conservatives and their leaders are deeply concerned over the possible results this overwhelming number of kids could have. Conservatives, gun nuts, and Republican politicians are appalled by these kids demanding their safety be a priority over the gun nuts’ lunatic desire to own the phallic symbol that is their favorite to stroke and kiss.

Due to this uncontrollable fear conservatives have at the thought of losing their penile substitute, Mitch McConnell decided to ignore the growing number of young voters in this movement. With the coming mid-term elections, these many, many, many students now have the potential to join with tens-of-millions of progressive voters and put the Democrats in control of congress.

In addition to Mitch, conservative community leaders, conservatives on school boards and school administrators have done all they can to stifle the students’ enthusiasm. And now, the National Parks Service is doing so.

A “March For Our Lives” rally was planned by the Stoneman Douglas survivors to take place on the Mall in D.C., but organizers were refused a permit by the National Parks Service management. A representative for the Park Service cited a conflict with a “talent show” as the reason.

The co-executive producer of “Dancing With the Stars” Deena Katz was brought in by the Stoneman Douglas survivors to plan the major event and has a nearly $2 million budget. The money is was raised with a “GoFundMe page, along with donations from Oprah Winfrey, Steven Spielberg and George and Amal Clooney.”

The “talent show” permit application listed equipment for the film crew’s use for the Mall as two tables, two bikes and jump ropes.

The list on the permit application for the March For Our Lives rally included 14 Jumbotrons, 2,000 chairs and 2,000 portable restrooms to be funded with part of the $2 million.

This equipment will be used by the “student speakers, musical performers, guest speakers and video tributes,” and up to an estimated 500,000 attendees, according to the permit application.

The D.C. location for March For Our Lives rally is just one of many big and small events planned in cities across the nation on the same day.

For the conservatives, the gun nuts, and Republican politicians sworn to serve the NRA, be afraid, be very afraid. And keep trying to silence this protest by these young voters. Their anger is not going away, and their numbers are growing. How many millions in 2018? And how many millions more in 2020? Yes, be afraid, be very, very afraid. (And keep pi$$ing them off. It can only help their cause.)

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, the conservatives remain either unaware or will deny their individual response to this thread is their typical nonsense consisting of denial, alternate facts, and/or off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, deflection, memes, etc.). Their mindless prattle is expected by people of reason, who also realize it is a waste of time to offer the conservatives any reply.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/organizers-plan-for-500000-attendees-at-march-for-our-lives-rally-in-washington/2018/02/22/a9ff1992-17f9-11e8-8ac5-84161111ace0_story.html?utm_term=.353cdd5cb3f1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/march-for-our-lives-gun-control-rally-bumped-from-mall-by-talent-show/2018/03/01/ad8c7268-1cc6-11e8-9496-c89dc446c2d3_story.html?utm_term=.66b0cab356d5





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No these kids can't be silenced but they've got to do more than that. They have got to vote this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you're 18 years old and not registered, register to vote now! If you're going to be 18 soon, register to vote as soon as you are. If you have friends that are 18 make sure they register and they VOTE. If you're away at college plan ahead to receive a mail-in ballot from your home state.

Someone who doesn't vote or votes for any Republican is voting for more sympathies and prayer vigils. Even though the Florida state legislature did a gun restriction on age, and as soon as you forget about it, and are not looking they'll go right back to the old gun regulations by lowering the age limit. Republicans have done this before. Do not be fooled by this.

The NRA is the Republican parties campaign cash cow and they are going to protect that cow no matter what.

The gun rights organization spent a stupendous $54.4 million in the 2016 election cycle, almost all of it in "independent expenditures," meaning spending for or against a candidate but not a direct contribution to a campaign. The money went almost entirely to Republicans to a degree that almost looks like a misprint (but isn't): Of independent expenditures totaling $52.6 million, Democrats received $265. Yes, that's 265 dollars.If you're looking for a reason that politicians are quick to declare that their "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims of the horrific slaughters that have become virtually routine in American life, but do nothing further to stop them, look no further.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun control in this country, you'll have to vote for Democrats this coming November in the 2018 mid term election cycle.

If common sense had anything to do with democrats gun control policies, they would be able to persuade people with out using the fear and grief of people who should be mourning. Democrat policies are purely emotion based. If reason was involved they wouldn’t be pushing policies that actually did something to stop mass shootings rather than ones that wouldn’t have changed anything.

Common sense gun control is placing the gun in your own hands so you can use it to protect yourself rather than remain unarmed targets for evil men. Common sense is using the tools you have to stop evil rather than making it illegal to have those tools.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Your first attempted point is obvious....except for the sense of security being false.

Your second attempted point is obviously bullshit. Knives, bats, and chainsaws are substantially easier to buy than firearms.

Your third attempted point is highly speculative and ignores that fact that all those weapons must be used in close proximity to the intended victims. Many others will run away. Some brave souls might attack the weapon wielder with school desks, chairs, coat racks, books...anything that can be thrown his way...then pile on and hold his ass to the floor until the man with the gun arrives.

The only advantage the knife and bat have over the chain saw is lack of significant noise other than screaming of the targets.

Three strikes...you're out!

Wrong....Just BAN GUNS and revoke the 2nd,educate the morons...THAT's 3 STRIKES,YOUR OUT

Neither banning guns nor revoking the 2nd Amendment will take guns from criminals or from the government.

But it will eliminate Mass Shootings...So your point Was???????

Lol
When pigs fly... Only a fool thinks that gun confiscation will make anything safer.

IDIOT...WE PROVED IT IN AUSTRALIA AKA PARADISE

Good. You stay there. We'll stay here. We don't come tell you how to run your country, so PLEASE don't flatter yourself that we have any interest in your opinion of ours.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Lol
When pigs fly... Only a fool thinks that gun confiscation will make anything safer.

IDIOT...WE PROVED IT IN AUSTRALIA AKA PARADISE

Australia does not have the Second Amendment, you people have no right to firearms

Maybe we were smarter....but WE ARE DISCUSSING YOU AND THE FAILURE YOU LIVE AND SPAWN IN<IN RELATION TO MASS MURDER WITH WEAPONS...keep to the programme or go sleep it off....steve

Things are just fine in rural America when it comes to violent crime, because there is really none.
Most All of the violent crime in America is in urban progressive controlled areas.
Gun free zones attract killers

Cruz did not go into that school because it was a gun free zone. He knew there was an armed officer.

We went there because he went to school there.,

You people are dumber than shit.

Yes, and it's certainly IMPOSSIBLE that he waited until that officer was on another part of the grounds.

And the "shocking" notion that he went somewhere he knew OBVIOUSLY makes it impossible that he'd have gone somewhere ELSE he knew if the school hadn't been "gun-free".

 

[Wry Catcher]

Students Aren’t Waiting for March or April. They’re Protesting Now.
Every day since February 21, high-school and middle-school students across the country have protested for stronger gun laws, often by walking out of class.

Students Aren’t Waiting for March or April. They’re Protesting Now.

Yes. They are protesting. That’s why they are skipping class.

For the sake of argument let’s assume they are actually protesting. How is refusing to learn a protest that hurts anyone but themselves?

This opinion is foolish ^^^. The First Amendment gives the students the right to petition the government for a redress of their grievances. The students who do are acting in a manner real conservatives would applaud, sadly the last real conservative died on a Tuesday (Nov. 8, 2016 to be exact).

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[2aguy]

Lol
When pigs fly... Only a fool thinks that gun confiscation will make anything safer.

IDIOT...WE PROVED IT IN AUSTRALIA AKA PARADISE

Australia does not have the Second Amendment, you people have no right to firearms

Maybe we were smarter....but WE ARE DISCUSSING YOU AND THE FAILURE YOU LIVE AND SPAWN IN<IN RELATION TO MASS MURDER WITH WEAPONS...keep to the programme or go sleep it off....steve

Things are just fine in rural America when it comes to violent crime, because there is really none.
Most All of the violent crime in America is in urban progressive controlled areas.
Gun free zones attract killers

Cruz did not go into that school because it was a gun free zone. He knew there was an armed officer.

We went there because he went to school there.,

You people are dumber than shit.

And the Sandy Hook shooter went to the elementary school, the middle school and the high school.....the elementary school was the only one of the 3 without a school resource officer...

And one armed guard on a campus of 2,000 students with multiple buildings is not armed security, doofus.....

 

[2aguy]

Australia does not have the Second Amendment, you people have no right to firearms

Maybe we were smarter....but WE ARE DISCUSSING YOU AND THE FAILURE YOU LIVE AND SPAWN IN<IN RELATION TO MASS MURDER WITH WEAPONS...keep to the programme or go sleep it off....steve

Things are just fine in rural America when it comes to violent crime, because there is really none.
Most All of the violent crime in America is in urban progressive controlled areas.
Gun free zones attract killers

Cruz did not go into that school because it was a gun free zone. He knew there was an armed officer.

We went there because he went to school there.,

You people are dumber than shit.

There was one guy, who didn't go in the building....we don't know what he decided....we do know about the other mass shooters who told us they chose gun free zones...that is a fact...doofus.

So, these school shooters did not attend the schools they attacked or attacked them because of some one there?

The Washington Post's School Shooter Profile: A Chilling Account | National Review

The second thing: The shooter reveals that he thought seriously about whether his target would be a “gun free zone.” I mention this not to endorse any particular policy, but to make it clear that it is by no means rare for those who would do harm to first scope out their destinations and to make sure that they won’t encounter much resistance. The shooter openly explains that he chose the local elementary school, rather than the school he was really angry with (his own), because it lacked an armed guard. He also admits to having researched how long it took cops to respond in the area (15 minutes), and how long it would be before SWAT was on site (45 minutes). This echoes comments made by the shooter at Isla Vista, who considered carrying out his attack on Halloween, but decided against it because there’d be “too many cops walking around during an event like Halloween, and cops are the only ones who can hinder my plans.”
The actual story linked above...

“I HAVE TO BEAT **** **** . .” he wrote nine days before the Sept. 28, 2016, shooting in a misspelled reference to the Sandy Hook killer,**** ****. “Atleast 40.”

Two days later, he debated whether he should attack his middle school, from which he’d been expelled, or his elementary school, just up the road.

He decided on Townville Elementary because it was closer and had no armed security.


“Itll be like shooting fish in a barrel,” he wrote his friends, whose identities remain unclear, along with whether the FBI has tracked any of them down. The agency declined to comment, citing Jesse’s open case.

In the chat, he said he had researched police response times for the area and found that it would take them 15 minutes to get there, maybe 45 for SWAT. He said he would throw pipe bombs into each classroom before he got in a shootout with police and killed himself with his shotgun. He said he had been planning a massacre for two years.

 

[2aguy]

No...it won't....it hasn't stopped mass shootings in Australia or Britain...they keep getting by on dumb luck...but their criminals and others get guns, and only pure, dumb luck has saved them...

IDIOT,YOU ARE FCUKING LYING,AUSTRALIA LEADS THE WORLD IN MASS SHOOTINGS ..NONE FOR 30 ODD YEARS,AND WORLDS LOWEST AT 1,4 DEATHS PER MILLION COMPARED TO THE HIGHEST IN THE WESTERN WORLD AT 29,5

LUCK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.....THINK OF IT LIKE THIS.SINCE SANDY HOOK THE US HAS HAD OVER 1670 MASS SHOOTINGS...COMPARED TO AUSTRALIA NIL

REVOKE THE 2nd,you people are not fit MENTALLY TO CARRY A GUN.....AND BAN GUNS PERIOD....YOU WILL BE MUCH SAFER...JOIN THE MORE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE OF THE WORLD >>>>>AND REVOKE 2 AND BAN WEAPONS......

Dumb shit......Can you explain which Australian gun laws stopped these shooters from shooting 4 or more people in a public space?

La Trobe university shooting....1 killed ,one wounded
Cabramatta wedding shooting....7 people shot, none died
Monash University shooting,....2 killed, 5 injured....

Notice...2 school shootings that happened after they banned and confiscated guns, the only reason they are not mass public shootings?......the shooters didn't kill more people with the gun they had in a public space...dumb luck, not Australian gun laws...

Melbourne CBD shooting...1 killed 2 wounded.

Hectorville siege....3 dead, one wounded....technically a family killing but he could have gone to a church, a mall, a theater, or a school....

Gold Coast, Bikie Mall Shooting.....in a mall, with a gun, shooting at rivals....Australian gun control did not stop him from shooting 4 or more strangers in the mall....he just wanted to murder rival gang members...

Hectorville Mall Siege....

Do you see the point, dumb ass.....these aren't even all the shootings in public spaces by individuals with illegal guns......

No, dumb ass, Australian gun control laws did not stop their mass shootings...dumb luck has kept them safe....

More, with some repeats.....

• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
• 
  
• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

Here is a neater list.....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
• 
  
  
• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria at La Trobe university in Melbourne, Victoria, armed with a 38-calibre revolver handgun and opened fire, killing cafeteria manager Leon Capraro and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

21st century[edit]
2000s[edit]

• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[62][63]
• 
  
  
• 16 July 2001 – Peter James Knight, an anti-abortion activist, walked into an abortion clinic in East Melbourne armed with a rifle. Knight shot dead security guard Stephen Gordon Rogers and was later overpowered by staff in the abortion clinic. After his arrest, Knight was charged and convicted of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison.
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families. Twenty-four-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom. Up to 100 shots were fired into the house by four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
• 
  
  
• 18 February 2006 – Cardross Hit and Run – Thomas Graham Towle crashed his car at high speed into a group of 13 teenagers, killing six and injuring seven near the town ofCardross, Victoria.[73]
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[75]

An expidited list.....

Here is a list of shootings in Australia...notice, they are all after they banned and confiscated guns...tell me....how did Australian gun laws stop these from becoming mass shootings?

I will quote a few....read the rest....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

If he had decided to keep shooting...would Australian gun laws have kept this from being a mass shooting?
Tell me...this doesn't count as a mass shooting...only because more of the victims didn't die...7 people shot......did Australian gun laws stop it from being a mass shooting?

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

Another one.....this shooter couldn't clear his rifle...so he only killed 2...the new standard for a mass shooting incident is 3 dead victims...so how did Australian gun laws keep this from being a mass shooting...rather than just dumb luck....?

• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

And had this guy decided to keep shooting.....would Australian gun laws have stopped him? And kept this from being a mass shooting?

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

Can you see that CNN's article is just wrong....that it implies that Australian gun control has ended their mass shootings...and that that is a lie?

And more....

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

this guy actually went into a mall......with a gun......after they banned and confiscated them...so tell me how this doesn't show that the CNN article is a lie....

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]

How did Australian gun control laws keep this shooting from being a muslim terrorist mass shooting? An immigrant to Australia got a gun in a country where they banned and confiscated them and now claim their gun control laws have stopped mass shootings...

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

And how did Australian gun control keep this shooting from being a mass shooting?

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.

And had this kid walked into his school.....as a muslim immigrant and simply shot 3 kids....it would have been an act of muslim terrorism and a mass shooting ....again, luck saved Australia, not their gun control laws...

• And how did Australian gun laws keep these muslim teenager from going to a school with this gun and shooting a bunch of students?
  
  Sydney police HQ shooting linked to terrorism: police commissioner
  
  The actions of the 15-year-old gunman who shot dead a New South Wales police civilian employee were an act of terrorism, police say.
  
  The radicalised youth of Middle Eastern background has been named as Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad.
  
  He killed the police employee, Curtis Cheng, as he was leaving police headquarters at Parramatta in Sydney's west around 4:30pm yesterday.
  
  The offender then fired several more shots at officers as they emerged from the building to respond to the incident.

What a stupid post. Looking for an excuse to sit on your fat ass while more children die because some kid had access to an assault type rifle.

A Vote Republican is a vote for more children blood in schools,. less education, polluted air & water & a more difficult future for everyone.

Boy, you are still stupid.

It wasn't an assault rifle...no matter how many times you guys lie about it, it isn't going to change the fact it was a Civilian and police, AR-15.....it is not a military rifle, and has never been used by the military.

The only ones allowing kids to get killed are you and the democrats and your democrat gun free zones, as well as you Promise Policy that allowed this violent 19 year old to not get arrested at his school...which kept his name off the background check list....that is on you mopes, not us...

Here you go again. We had an assault rifle ban. What the fuck was banned.

You God damn pathertic POS assholes want to argue semantics while children die.

We know what guns are being discussed. If you don't, you are just plain dumber than shit.

It didn't ban assault rifles........if you are going to define assault rifles then that would be a select fire weapon.......those were not banned. The weapons that were banned were banned because of cosmetic features....

And actual research shows that the ban accomplished nothing.....

 

[2aguy]

IDIOT...WE PROVED IT IN AUSTRALIA AKA PARADISE

Australia does not have the Second Amendment, you people have no right to firearms

Maybe we were smarter....but WE ARE DISCUSSING YOU AND THE FAILURE YOU LIVE AND SPAWN IN<IN RELATION TO MASS MURDER WITH WEAPONS...keep to the programme or go sleep it off....steve

Things are just fine in rural America when it comes to violent crime, because there is really none.
Most All of the violent crime in America is in urban progressive controlled areas.
Gun free zones attract killers

Cruz did not go into that school because it was a gun free zone. He knew there was an armed officer.

We went there because he went to school there.,

You people are dumber than shit.

Yes, and it's certainly IMPOSSIBLE that he waited until that officer was on another part of the grounds.

And the "shocking" notion that he went somewhere he knew OBVIOUSLY makes it impossible that he'd have gone somewhere ELSE he knew if the school hadn't been "gun-free".

Also......it was mentioned that the shooter was in the Freshman Building......I would like to know if there are buildings for each grade level on that campus.....because those older teens who are spouting off.....would not have been in the same building as the shooter...

 

[theliq]

You're wrong. The simple possession of a gun changes how a person acts. The changes may not be perceptible, but they can and many times do provide false security to act in a manner they would not without having the gun in their possession.

How many would have been killed or wounded had the mass killers in recent school attacks used a knife, a baseball bat, or chain saw? All of which are easy to buy as are firearms.

In post 509 Rustic makes once claim I which I totally agree with, he claimed, "I don't understand". Clearly he doesn't on most issues.

Your first attempted point is obvious....except for the sense of security being false.

Your second attempted point is obviously bullshit. Knives, bats, and chainsaws are substantially easier to buy than firearms.

Your third attempted point is highly speculative and ignores that fact that all those weapons must be used in close proximity to the intended victims. Many others will run away. Some brave souls might attack the weapon wielder with school desks, chairs, coat racks, books...anything that can be thrown his way...then pile on and hold his ass to the floor until the man with the gun arrives.

The only advantage the knife and bat have over the chain saw is lack of significant noise other than screaming of the targets.

Three strikes...you're out!

Wrong....Just BAN GUNS and revoke the 2nd,educate the morons...THAT's 3 STRIKES,YOUR OUT

Neither banning guns nor revoking the 2nd Amendment will take guns from criminals or from the government.

But it will eliminate Mass Shootings...So your point Was???????

Mass shooters are criminals, dumbass!

What 1600 plus since Sandy Hook!!!! you need a lobotomy pal

 

[theliq]

Wrong....Just BAN GUNS and revoke the 2nd,educate the morons...THAT's 3 STRIKES,YOUR OUT

Neither banning guns nor revoking the 2nd Amendment will take guns from criminals or from the government.

But it will eliminate Mass Shootings...So your point Was???????

No...it won't....it hasn't stopped mass shootings in Australia or Britain...they keep getting by on dumb luck...but their criminals and others get guns, and only pure, dumb luck has saved them...

IDIOT,YOU ARE FCUKING LYING,AUSTRALIA LEADS THE WORLD IN MASS SHOOTINGS ..NONE FOR 30 ODD YEARS,AND WORLDS LOWEST AT 1,4 DEATHS PER MILLION COMPARED TO THE HIGHEST IN THE WESTERN WORLD AT 29,5

LUCK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.....THINK OF IT LIKE THIS.SINCE SANDY HOOK THE US HAS HAD OVER 1670 MASS SHOOTINGS...COMPARED TO AUSTRALIA NIL

REVOKE THE 2nd,you people are not fit MENTALLY TO CARRY A GUN.....AND BAN GUNS PERIOD....YOU WILL BE MUCH SAFER...JOIN THE MORE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE OF THE WORLD >>>>>AND REVOKE 2 AND BAN WEAPONS......

Dumb shit......Can you explain which Australian gun laws stopped these shooters from shooting 4 or more people in a public space?

La Trobe university shooting....1 killed ,one wounded
Cabramatta wedding shooting....7 people shot, none died
Monash University shooting,....2 killed, 5 injured....

Notice...2 school shootings that happened after they banned and confiscated guns, the only reason they are not mass public shootings?......the shooters didn't kill more people with the gun they had in a public space...dumb luck, not Australian gun laws...

Melbourne CBD shooting...1 killed 2 wounded.

Hectorville siege....3 dead, one wounded....technically a family killing but he could have gone to a church, a mall, a theater, or a school....

Gold Coast, Bikie Mall Shooting.....in a mall, with a gun, shooting at rivals....Australian gun control did not stop him from shooting 4 or more strangers in the mall....he just wanted to murder rival gang members...

Hectorville Mall Siege....

Do you see the point, dumb ass.....these aren't even all the shootings in public spaces by individuals with illegal guns......

No, dumb ass, Australian gun control laws did not stop their mass shootings...dumb luck has kept them safe....

More, with some repeats.....

• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
• 
  
• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

Here is a neater list.....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
• 
  
  
• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria at La Trobe university in Melbourne, Victoria, armed with a 38-calibre revolver handgun and opened fire, killing cafeteria manager Leon Capraro and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

21st century[edit]
2000s[edit]

• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[62][63]
• 
  
  
• 16 July 2001 – Peter James Knight, an anti-abortion activist, walked into an abortion clinic in East Melbourne armed with a rifle. Knight shot dead security guard Stephen Gordon Rogers and was later overpowered by staff in the abortion clinic. After his arrest, Knight was charged and convicted of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison.
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families. Twenty-four-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom. Up to 100 shots were fired into the house by four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
• 
  
  
• 18 February 2006 – Cardross Hit and Run – Thomas Graham Towle crashed his car at high speed into a group of 13 teenagers, killing six and injuring seven near the town ofCardross, Victoria.[73]
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[75]

An expidited list.....

Here is a list of shootings in Australia...notice, they are all after they banned and confiscated guns...tell me....how did Australian gun laws stop these from becoming mass shootings?

I will quote a few....read the rest....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

If he had decided to keep shooting...would Australian gun laws have kept this from being a mass shooting?
Tell me...this doesn't count as a mass shooting...only because more of the victims didn't die...7 people shot......did Australian gun laws stop it from being a mass shooting?

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

Another one.....this shooter couldn't clear his rifle...so he only killed 2...the new standard for a mass shooting incident is 3 dead victims...so how did Australian gun laws keep this from being a mass shooting...rather than just dumb luck....?

• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

And had this guy decided to keep shooting.....would Australian gun laws have stopped him? And kept this from being a mass shooting?

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

Can you see that CNN's article is just wrong....that it implies that Australian gun control has ended their mass shootings...and that that is a lie?

And more....

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

this guy actually went into a mall......with a gun......after they banned and confiscated them...so tell me how this doesn't show that the CNN article is a lie....

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]

How did Australian gun control laws keep this shooting from being a muslim terrorist mass shooting? An immigrant to Australia got a gun in a country where they banned and confiscated them and now claim their gun control laws have stopped mass shootings...

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

And how did Australian gun control keep this shooting from being a mass shooting?

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.

And had this kid walked into his school.....as a muslim immigrant and simply shot 3 kids....it would have been an act of muslim terrorism and a mass shooting ....again, luck saved Australia, not their gun control laws...

• And how did Australian gun laws keep these muslim teenager from going to a school with this gun and shooting a bunch of students?
  
  Sydney police HQ shooting linked to terrorism: police commissioner
  
  The actions of the 15-year-old gunman who shot dead a New South Wales police civilian employee were an act of terrorism, police say.
  
  The radicalised youth of Middle Eastern background has been named as Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad.
  
  He killed the police employee, Curtis Cheng, as he was leaving police headquarters at Parramatta in Sydney's west around 4:30pm yesterday.
  
  The offender then fired several more shots at officers as they emerged from the building to respond to the incident.

I never said we did not have Gun murders but I am glad for your exposae 2aGuy......But our rate of Gun Deaths is the Lowest in the Western World..........

 

[2aguy]

Neither banning guns nor revoking the 2nd Amendment will take guns from criminals or from the government.

But it will eliminate Mass Shootings...So your point Was???????

No...it won't....it hasn't stopped mass shootings in Australia or Britain...they keep getting by on dumb luck...but their criminals and others get guns, and only pure, dumb luck has saved them...

IDIOT,YOU ARE FCUKING LYING,AUSTRALIA LEADS THE WORLD IN MASS SHOOTINGS ..NONE FOR 30 ODD YEARS,AND WORLDS LOWEST AT 1,4 DEATHS PER MILLION COMPARED TO THE HIGHEST IN THE WESTERN WORLD AT 29,5

LUCK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.....THINK OF IT LIKE THIS.SINCE SANDY HOOK THE US HAS HAD OVER 1670 MASS SHOOTINGS...COMPARED TO AUSTRALIA NIL

REVOKE THE 2nd,you people are not fit MENTALLY TO CARRY A GUN.....AND BAN GUNS PERIOD....YOU WILL BE MUCH SAFER...JOIN THE MORE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE OF THE WORLD >>>>>AND REVOKE 2 AND BAN WEAPONS......

Dumb shit......Can you explain which Australian gun laws stopped these shooters from shooting 4 or more people in a public space?

La Trobe university shooting....1 killed ,one wounded
Cabramatta wedding shooting....7 people shot, none died
Monash University shooting,....2 killed, 5 injured....

Notice...2 school shootings that happened after they banned and confiscated guns, the only reason they are not mass public shootings?......the shooters didn't kill more people with the gun they had in a public space...dumb luck, not Australian gun laws...

Melbourne CBD shooting...1 killed 2 wounded.

Hectorville siege....3 dead, one wounded....technically a family killing but he could have gone to a church, a mall, a theater, or a school....

Gold Coast, Bikie Mall Shooting.....in a mall, with a gun, shooting at rivals....Australian gun control did not stop him from shooting 4 or more strangers in the mall....he just wanted to murder rival gang members...

Hectorville Mall Siege....

Do you see the point, dumb ass.....these aren't even all the shootings in public spaces by individuals with illegal guns......

No, dumb ass, Australian gun control laws did not stop their mass shootings...dumb luck has kept them safe....

More, with some repeats.....

• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
• 
  
• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

Here is a neater list.....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
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• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria at La Trobe university in Melbourne, Victoria, armed with a 38-calibre revolver handgun and opened fire, killing cafeteria manager Leon Capraro and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

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• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[62][63]
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• 16 July 2001 – Peter James Knight, an anti-abortion activist, walked into an abortion clinic in East Melbourne armed with a rifle. Knight shot dead security guard Stephen Gordon Rogers and was later overpowered by staff in the abortion clinic. After his arrest, Knight was charged and convicted of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison.
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families. Twenty-four-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom. Up to 100 shots were fired into the house by four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
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• 18 February 2006 – Cardross Hit and Run – Thomas Graham Towle crashed his car at high speed into a group of 13 teenagers, killing six and injuring seven near the town ofCardross, Victoria.[73]
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[75]

An expidited list.....

Here is a list of shootings in Australia...notice, they are all after they banned and confiscated guns...tell me....how did Australian gun laws stop these from becoming mass shootings?

I will quote a few....read the rest....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

If he had decided to keep shooting...would Australian gun laws have kept this from being a mass shooting?
Tell me...this doesn't count as a mass shooting...only because more of the victims didn't die...7 people shot......did Australian gun laws stop it from being a mass shooting?

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

Another one.....this shooter couldn't clear his rifle...so he only killed 2...the new standard for a mass shooting incident is 3 dead victims...so how did Australian gun laws keep this from being a mass shooting...rather than just dumb luck....?

• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

And had this guy decided to keep shooting.....would Australian gun laws have stopped him? And kept this from being a mass shooting?

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

Can you see that CNN's article is just wrong....that it implies that Australian gun control has ended their mass shootings...and that that is a lie?

And more....

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

this guy actually went into a mall......with a gun......after they banned and confiscated them...so tell me how this doesn't show that the CNN article is a lie....

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]

How did Australian gun control laws keep this shooting from being a muslim terrorist mass shooting? An immigrant to Australia got a gun in a country where they banned and confiscated them and now claim their gun control laws have stopped mass shootings...

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

And how did Australian gun control keep this shooting from being a mass shooting?

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.

And had this kid walked into his school.....as a muslim immigrant and simply shot 3 kids....it would have been an act of muslim terrorism and a mass shooting ....again, luck saved Australia, not their gun control laws...

• And how did Australian gun laws keep these muslim teenager from going to a school with this gun and shooting a bunch of students?
  
  Sydney police HQ shooting linked to terrorism: police commissioner
  
  The actions of the 15-year-old gunman who shot dead a New South Wales police civilian employee were an act of terrorism, police say.
  
  The radicalised youth of Middle Eastern background has been named as Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad.
  
  He killed the police employee, Curtis Cheng, as he was leaving police headquarters at Parramatta in Sydney's west around 4:30pm yesterday.
  
  The offender then fired several more shots at officers as they emerged from the building to respond to the incident.

I never said we did not have Gun murders but I am glad for your exposae 2aGuy......But our rate of Gun Deaths is the Lowest in the Western World..........

And that has nothing to do with your gun control laws....your criminals have guns, they just don't commit murder with them as often or as easily as our criminals in democrat cities do.....they have guns, and they use them.....your gun control laws aren't stopping them...

 

[Wry Catcher]

Wrong....Just BAN GUNS and revoke the 2nd,educate the morons...THAT's 3 STRIKES,YOUR OUT

Neither banning guns nor revoking the 2nd Amendment will take guns from criminals or from the government.

But it will eliminate Mass Shootings...So your point Was???????

No, it won't. Amazingly enough, mass shootings only require a tool capable of shooting, and an evil/crazy person willing to fire. (Of the two, the second one is really more important. You're a leftist, so I figured you wouldn't get that on your own.) Mass shootings can be and have been accomplished with guns other than the AR15.

And before you leap to, "Well, then, just ban all guns!" let me point out that MY goal - and it ought to be yours - is to prevent mass KILLINGS; it is not to merely change the method of them.

So, what solution do you have? People control? If so, how do you decide who should and who should not own, possess or have in their custody or control a gun?

There is no singular solution to our national disgrace. It requires men and women of good will to proffer ideas and evaluate their merit. Something unheard of on this thread, and on every thread related to gun violence.

1) Put people in jail who've had their right to buy a gun revoked with due process of law

2) We already have training and background checks for people with CC permits

What more than that is required?

The question is, what more is necessary. And I've argued licensing and registration.

 

[Rustic]

Your first attempted point is obvious....except for the sense of security being false.

Your second attempted point is obviously bullshit. Knives, bats, and chainsaws are substantially easier to buy than firearms.

Your third attempted point is highly speculative and ignores that fact that all those weapons must be used in close proximity to the intended victims. Many others will run away. Some brave souls might attack the weapon wielder with school desks, chairs, coat racks, books...anything that can be thrown his way...then pile on and hold his ass to the floor until the man with the gun arrives.

The only advantage the knife and bat have over the chain saw is lack of significant noise other than screaming of the targets.

Three strikes...you're out!

Wrong....Just BAN GUNS and revoke the 2nd,educate the morons...THAT's 3 STRIKES,YOUR OUT

Neither banning guns nor revoking the 2nd Amendment will take guns from criminals or from the government.

But it will eliminate Mass Shootings...So your point Was???????

Mass shooters are criminals, dumbass!

What 1600 plus since Sandy Hook!!!! you need a lobotomy pal

Mind your own business, firearm violence is one of the least of our worries