Can We Please Get Rid of the Pledge?

[ptbw forever]

Well I am a religious person who doesn't care if the 'under God' is in the Pledge or not, but certainly see it as the symbolism of a nation founded on the principle of God given rights, for those who believe in God, or natural rights for those who do not. I know a lot of non religious people who look at it just that way. When a majority of the people want the phrase gone, however, it will be gone. When a majority want the Pledge gone, it will be gone. Right now those of you who object to it are simply in a fairly small minority and it is not harming you in the least.

Which God is in the Pledge?

The only one that is capitalized....

So every proper noun can now be a God.....

No stupid fuck, the biblical God is a proper noun, and that is why "God" appears the way it does in the pledge.

According to Dogma...God is a Goddess...love that movie

Terrible movie.

I can't stand idiots like Chris Rock and Matt Damon.

 

[SYTFE]

Our Lady of course...is there any other?

Our Lady isn't God, Our Lady is the Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

If that is your religion, why must everyone conform to it?

I haven't said that people must conform to it, but Leftist Extremists are demanding that we just remove any and all reference to God everywhere on this planet, they're in every Western nation preaching the anti-God mantra.

And the extremist on the right want to enforce their religious dogma, yet in the middle is the best place to meet.........

We better not mention the worst of all, Islam, the very name meaning "to submit" and/or "submission"

More accurately, it's to submit to the will of God and obedience to his law. Kind of sounds like you and your authoritarian streak, actually.

 

[Moonglow]

Why is patriotism important

Nationalism
The Dangers of Nationalism - An American Warning
Dangers of Nationalism
Beware The Economic Dangers of Nationalism

The only thing worse than nationalism is globalism

Unless it's Globe Trotterism

 

[Coyote]

Our Lady isn't God, Our Lady is the Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

If that is your religion, why must everyone conform to it?

I haven't said that people must conform to it, but Leftist Extremists are demanding that we just remove any and all reference to God everywhere on this planet, they're in every Western nation preaching the anti-God mantra.

And the extremist on the right want to enforce their religious dogma, yet in the middle is the best place to meet.........

We better not mention the worst of all, Islam, the very name meaning "to submit" and/or "submission"

More accurately, it's to submit to the will of God and obedience to his law. Kind of sounds like you and your authoritarian streak, actually.

Or...anyone who submits to God....

Don't confuse a need for order and discipline with "authoritarian"

My problem with God is I've never been good at the submission bit.....but she's patient

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Our Lady isn't God, Our Lady is the Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

If that is your religion, why must everyone conform to it?

I haven't said that people must conform to it, but Leftist Extremists are demanding that we just remove any and all reference to God everywhere on this planet, they're in every Western nation preaching the anti-God mantra.

And the extremist on the right want to enforce their religious dogma, yet in the middle is the best place to meet.........

We better not mention the worst of all, Islam, the very name meaning "to submit" and/or "submission"

Isn't religion all about submitting your will to God's? Letting God take the burden?

Yeah but in Islam not submitting may be losing your head

 

[ptbw forever]

The only one that is capitalized....

So every proper noun can now be a God.....

No stupid fuck, the biblical God is a proper noun, and that is why "God" appears the way it does in the pledge.

Which bible? The OT or the NT? Or the one from the Koran?

All the same God that made the covenant with Abraham.

Then not the Christian God, okay....

It most definitely is.

 

[Moonglow]

Why is that considered offensive or wrong or whatever, would you say?

Under God isn't wrong. We all need more God.

Which God?

Our Lady of course...is there any other?

The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence?

Witch of the Westmerelands....

Oh great, now I have to interrupt the Spike Jones show to see a viddy....I tried to read the Book of Wicca, yet I just couldn't finish, like the Book of Mormons....

 

[ptbw forever]

If that is your religion, why must everyone conform to it?

I haven't said that people must conform to it, but Leftist Extremists are demanding that we just remove any and all reference to God everywhere on this planet, they're in every Western nation preaching the anti-God mantra.

And the extremist on the right want to enforce their religious dogma, yet in the middle is the best place to meet.........

We better not mention the worst of all, Islam, the very name meaning "to submit" and/or "submission"

Isn't religion all about submitting your will to God's? Letting God take the burden?

Yeah but in Islam not submitting may be losing your head

Islam is simply a relic of mainstream religious practices in the Middle Ages.

 

[Coyote]

If that is your religion, why must everyone conform to it?

I haven't said that people must conform to it, but Leftist Extremists are demanding that we just remove any and all reference to God everywhere on this planet, they're in every Western nation preaching the anti-God mantra.

And the extremist on the right want to enforce their religious dogma, yet in the middle is the best place to meet.........

We better not mention the worst of all, Islam, the very name meaning "to submit" and/or "submission"

Isn't religion all about submitting your will to God's? Letting God take the burden?

Yeah but in Islam not submitting may be losing your head

Not necessarily. Depends on where in the world you are. Most of the time - no.

 

[Moonglow]

If that is your religion, why must everyone conform to it?

I haven't said that people must conform to it, but Leftist Extremists are demanding that we just remove any and all reference to God everywhere on this planet, they're in every Western nation preaching the anti-God mantra.

And the extremist on the right want to enforce their religious dogma, yet in the middle is the best place to meet.........

We better not mention the worst of all, Islam, the very name meaning "to submit" and/or "submission"

Isn't religion all about submitting your will to God's? Letting God take the burden?

Yeah but in Islam not submitting may be losing your head

Like certain members that advocate death for those that do not follow their line of thinking in this thread...

 

[Moonglow]

I haven't said that people must conform to it, but Leftist Extremists are demanding that we just remove any and all reference to God everywhere on this planet, they're in every Western nation preaching the anti-God mantra.

And the extremist on the right want to enforce their religious dogma, yet in the middle is the best place to meet.........

We better not mention the worst of all, Islam, the very name meaning "to submit" and/or "submission"

Isn't religion all about submitting your will to God's? Letting God take the burden?

Yeah but in Islam not submitting may be losing your head

Islam is simply a relic of mainstream religious practices in the Middle Ages.

It actually is a religious practice from the age of the ancient societies, where the state was most important, not individualism...

 

[Coyote]

Under God isn't wrong. We all need more God.

Which God?

Our Lady of course...is there any other?

The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence?

Witch of the Westmerelands....

Oh great, now I have to interrupt the Spike Jones show to see a viddy....I tried to read the Book of Wicca, yet I just couldn't finish, like the Book of Mormons....

You'd be better off watching the Book of Mormon....

 

[IsaacNewton]

Whew! For a minute there I thought you meant we should get rid of Lemon Pledge. I wouldn't be on board, I love the Pledge. I hereby pledge my allegiance to Lemon Pledge.

For the Pledge of Allegiance it is a bit odd. I have only fond memories of it in school and never really thought about it. But, it was written by a socialist as a socialist pledge. And it DOES remind one in a generic way of pledges that someone say Kim Jong Un would have his people say every day. It is weird in the world context. And it is uncomfortable when you do understand this is the type of indoctrination that totalitarians use.

On the other hand if you get up every day and say "I pledge to respect myself and others in all things", day after day as a daily affirmation, it is a positive 'indocrination'.

I walk the middle road on this. I know Mr Miagi frowns on this but meh.

 

[SYTFE]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I oppose both. The difference is conservatives run around screaming about freedom, liberty, and don't tread on me, but then get on your knees and lick the boots of anyone in a uniform and support imperialism and using brute force to get your way.

We've already determined what a dumbass you are so what you THINK of conservatives is unimportant.

It's what millions of people know.

Just like the millions that think liberals are destroying our country?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I haven't said that people must conform to it, but Leftist Extremists are demanding that we just remove any and all reference to God everywhere on this planet, they're in every Western nation preaching the anti-God mantra.

And the extremist on the right want to enforce their religious dogma, yet in the middle is the best place to meet.........

We better not mention the worst of all, Islam, the very name meaning "to submit" and/or "submission"

Isn't religion all about submitting your will to God's? Letting God take the burden?

Yeah but in Islam not submitting may be losing your head

Not necessarily. Depends on where in the world you are. Most of the time - no.

Well there are thousands that would disagree with you...but they lost their heads

 

[ptbw forever]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

Actually, without God all you are worshipping is the state.

 

[SYTFE]

one thing nice about the dems is they draw idiots and morons like an outhouse draws flies. keep em all in one place. flip it to auto and pull the trigger

Fuck you.

 

[SYTFE]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

Actually, without God all you are worshipping is the state.

In rare agreement, hence my distaste for nationalism.

 

[Coyote]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

I think I'd rather dance around ancient oaks if that is ok....