Can We Please Get Rid of the Pledge?

[Moonglow]

Which God?

Our Lady of course...is there any other?

The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence?

Witch of the Westmerelands....

Oh great, now I have to interrupt the Spike Jones show to see a viddy....I tried to read the Book of Wicca, yet I just couldn't finish, like the Book of Mormons....

You'd be better off watching the Book of Mormon....

Spaceballs was definitely better...

 

[StLucieBengal]

I like the flag too. Flying the flag in front of your house is cool.

But isn't it kind of weird to do it year round? Those people are usually a bit nutty. Break it out on holidays,Veterans day, 4th of july, etc.

Nah, it's okay. Just don't have one of those giant flags that's as big as the house.

I'll admit I tend to look unfavorably on any American who finds the Pledge or the National Anthem or displaying the flag uncomfortable or annoying or offensive. All are such symbols and expressions of liberty and all this country was intended to stand for, I can't find any reason to want any of that removed. They don't hurt anybody and I don't understand how other people enjoying the symbolism should bother anybody if they don't.

Nationalism is disgusting. Expressing extreme pride in the state -- especially when you had no fucking say in the matter -- is disgusting. What sort of idiot takes that much pride in something they had no choice in? Oh, your parents happened to have fucked in the USA? Congratulations. Wow.

As the author wrote, anything reminiscent of a totalitarian regime is wrong. I know you love authoritarianism, so you have a hard time wrapping your head around this concept. After all, you're "proud" of something you had no say in.

This is the best paragraph in the article, "Now I know that many people think the Pledge is simply an affirmation of their respect for the flag, their love for the country, and their gratitude to the men and women who fought in America’s wars. But that’s not what it is. The Pledge is an attempt to impose conformity on the masses and compel them to click their heels and proclaim their devotion to the Fatherland. That’s not how it’s supposed to work in a democracy. In a democracy, the representatives of the state are supposed to pledge their loyalty to the people and to the laws that protect them. That’s the correct relationship between the state and the people. The Pledge turns that whole concept on its head."

You fucking communist bastard...


You have no God Damn respect for the men who fought for your God Damn freedom, saved the world twice in two wars..

Promoted freedom around the world, and brought the world into the 21 st century..


No other country on earth can say that, sure we have our bad points liberals and conservatives both.


But we are human after all

No nation in the history of earth can claim all the good we did..


You are a fucking piece of shit...

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Way to fly off the handle there, ya loon. Talk about unhinged...

1. Not a communist, you drooling moron.
2. No one fought for "my freedom" since 1776, so shut the fuck up with your bullshit.
3. "Promoted freedom around the world," like how we did in Iraq you mean? lol
4. Get fucked.

1. So are you going with socialist?

2. Anytime someone stands up to evil as an American they fight for your freedom.

3. That is a progressive mission. Has been one since Teddy Roosevelt. And has also been a part of all the progressive/socialist movements in Europe.

 

[SYTFE]

The Pledge of Allegiance is not an expression of patriotism. It is a loyalty oath that one normally associates with totalitarian regimes. People who love freedom, should be appalled by the idea our children are being coerced to stand and declare their support for the state. This is the worst form of indoctrination and it is completely anathema to the principals articulated in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I cannot imagine outspoken libertarians like Thomas Jefferson or Tom Paine ever proclaiming their loyalty to the state when they correctly saw the state as the greatest threat to individual freedom. Which it is.

Now I know that many people think the Pledge is simply an affirmation of their respect for the flag, their love for the country, and their gratitude to the men and women who fought in America’s wars. But that’s not what it is. The Pledge is an attempt to impose conformity on the masses and compel them to click their heels and proclaim their devotion to the Fatherland. That’s not how it’s supposed to work in a democracy. In a democracy, the representatives of the state are supposed to pledge their loyalty to the people and to the laws that protect them. That’s the correct relationship between the state and the people. The Pledge turns that whole concept on its head.

Now I’d have no problem if our schoolchildren recited the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence before class every day:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

That’s great stuff, unfortunately, the people who run this country would never allow it. They’d never allow our kids to recite an incendiary, revolutionary document like that every day for fear it would incite violence against the state. What they want is “good Germans”, not revolutionaries, not freedom-loving populists, and not well-informed, critical thinking individuals who can see through the sham of their jingoistic propaganda. They want people who are going to follow the rules, do what they’re told, fight the wars, and perform their worktime drudgery for 30 or 40 years until they’re carted off to the glue factory. That’s what they want. Reciting the Pledge fits perfectly with this dumbed-down version of permanent indentured servitude. It provides the ideological foundation for bovine acquiescence to the demands of the state and the crooks who run it behind the tri-color banner.

The fact that institutions like the Pledge are never challenged in a public format, points to deeper problems with the media and the way our kids are being educated. And while I don’t have time to talk about that now, it makes me wonder where are the people to question these silly recitations that undermine democracy and personal liberty? Why are their voices never heard?
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Can We Please Get Rid of the Pledge?

Interesting perspective, one that I've shared for years but never bothered to articulate as well as this author did. Your thoughts?

You pansies pick the stupidest shit to whine about. Find your nearest safe space & take shelter pussy

Not "whining" about it, prison bitch boi. I found the article and I thought it was interesting and I knew it would get you guys riled up, so I thought it would be an interesting topic.

 

[Moonglow]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

Actually, without God all you are worshipping is the state.

Hell of a stretch there shorty.........

 

[namvet]

one thing nice about the dems is they draw idiots and morons like an outhouse draws flies. keep em all in one place. flip it to auto and pull the trigger

Fuck you.

you do and you'll never go back to wimmin'

 

[Moonglow]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

I think I'd rather dance around ancient oaks if that is ok....

Only if naked...

 

[Moonglow]

one thing nice about the dems is they draw idiots and morons like an outhouse draws flies. keep em all in one place. flip it to auto and pull the trigger

Fuck you.

you do and you'll never go back to wimmin'

Just don't rip his dick off by clinching your butt cheeks if he climaxes to early...

 

[SYTFE]

one thing nice about the dems is they draw idiots and morons like an outhouse draws flies. keep em all in one place. flip it to auto and pull the trigger

Fuck you.

you do and you'll never go back to wimmin'

I take it you've had a lot of practice eh?

 

[StLucieBengal]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

Actually, without God all you are worshipping is the state.

In rare agreement, hence my distaste for nationalism.

Then you should be equal in your distaste for progressivism and socialism as well?

 

[Coyote]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

Actually, without God all you are worshipping is the state.

In rare agreement, hence my distaste for nationalism.

Nationalism is, I think a confusing term. Both black and white.

There is nothing wrong with patriotism, being proud of one's heritage and history.

Problems occur when instead of being inclusive, it's exclusive and is used as a weapon to exlude those - who's hearts may be in the right place, but who's heritage is not.

Nationalism is a potent weapon in the hands of populists and it has led to some of the worst atrocities of the modern age.

I think it's better to be proud of one's culture and country for what it IS and, even more - for what it CAN BE - can be for those coming to it for the first time. To welcome them in, knowing that you have something vibrant, ancient yet still thriving to offer them in place of what they are fleeing. Nationalism can be a closed door that looks suspicously upon incomers ready to reject or it can be a welcoming presence because it is proud of nation, and not threatened by diversity around it.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Our Lady of course...is there any other?

Our Lady isn't God, Our Lady is the Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Depends on your outlook

I'm not aware of it being anywhere stated that Our Lady is also God.

Our Lady is the Wiccan Goddess

It's a Hippy type thing or something, hey Coyote you Hippy type or something

Uh-oh

 

[Coyote]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

I think I'd rather dance around ancient oaks if that is ok....

Only if naked...

Is there any other way dude?

 

[namvet]

one thing nice about the dems is they draw idiots and morons like an outhouse draws flies. keep em all in one place. flip it to auto and pull the trigger

Fuck you.

you do and you'll never go back to wimmin'

I take it you've had a lot of practice eh?

bet you take it up the ass every night pussy

 

[Foxfyre]

On Flag Day, burn one. That will show true liberty, not that false crap conservatives love.

It might be legal if but Hossfly catches any one burning an American flag they had better be prepared to receive a major ass kicking. Also anyone not rendering the flag the proper respect will be chastised physically. Don't say anything about Hossfly going to jail. Tain't possible.

Well Hossfly, as much as I have a huge case of like with you, I can't condone physical violence when people exercise the liberty that the Pledge, the National Anthem, and the flag represent by disrespecting these symbols that are so important to so many of us. I might not object to a well phrased verbal ass kicking though.

In one hour I am having dinner with about 30 guys who are the only survivors of my company from November 1965. In a 4 day period we had around 250 members of my Regiment killed on the battlefield. Many more have died since from various forms of cancer caused by Agent Orange. All of us here tonight are 100% disabled veterans who have survived those cancers. So you will have to excuse Hossfly for being in a violent mood when it comes to THE FLAG. I have to get ready for dinner now. I don't want to miss joining the group to pledge allegiance to that sacred (to us) flag.

I can't argue with that.

 

[Coyote]

Our Lady isn't God, Our Lady is the Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Depends on your outlook

I'm not aware of it being anywhere stated that Our Lady is also God.

Our Lady is the Wiccan Goddess

It's a Hippy type thing or something, hey Coyote you Hippy type or something

Uh-oh

We have the best parties ya know....

 

[ptbw forever]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

Actually, without God all you are worshipping is the state.

In rare agreement, hence my distaste for nationalism.

A nation is not a state.

Nationalism is about the people and the culture of a nation-state. The state is about the governance of a nation-state.

 

[SYTFE]

Let us all worship the state, after all, it's what God wants.

Actually, without God all you are worshipping is the state.

In rare agreement, hence my distaste for nationalism.

Then you should be equal in your distaste for progressivism and socialism as well?

One of those is not like the other...

 

[whitehall]

What the hell is so offensive about the Pledge of Allegiance anyway? Is it the "under God" line that radical lefties find offensive or is it the claim "liberty and justice for all"? The Founding Fathers risked their lives and fortunes to create the greatest political document in the history of mankind while the rest of the world was worshiping monarchs and murdering Infidels. Isn't liberty and justice and the heritage of being a citizen of the Country that invented the concept of government by the people that the rest of the world gradually adopted in the next two hundred years worth standing for? Maybe cold hearted atheists and socialists and assorted political radicals are too stupid to realize how lucky they are to be born in the USA.

 

[SYTFE]

one thing nice about the dems is they draw idiots and morons like an outhouse draws flies. keep em all in one place. flip it to auto and pull the trigger

Fuck you.

you do and you'll never go back to wimmin'

Just don't rip his dick off by clinching your butt cheeks if he climaxes to early...

Thanks for tonight's nightmare. 'Preciate it dude.

 

[Coyote]

On Flag Day, burn one. That will show true liberty, not that false crap conservatives love.

It might be legal if but Hossfly catches any one burning an American flag they had better be prepared to receive a major ass kicking. Also anyone not rendering the flag the proper respect will be chastised physically. Don't say anything about Hossfly going to jail. Tain't possible.

Well Hossfly, as much as I have a huge case of like with you, I can't condone physical violence when people exercise the liberty that the Pledge, the National Anthem, and the flag represent by disrespecting these symbols that are so important to so many of us. I might not object to a well phrased verbal ass kicking though.

In one hour I am having dinner with about 30 guys who are the only survivors of my company from November 1965. In a 4 day period we had around 250 members of my Regiment killed on the battlefield. Many more have died since from various forms of cancer caused by Agent Orange. All of us here tonight are 100% disabled veterans who have survived those cancers. So you will have to excuse Hossfly for being in a violent mood when it comes to THE FLAG. I have to get ready for dinner now. I don't want to miss joining the group to pledge allegiance to that sacred (to us) flag.

Love ya Hoss