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Extremism is usually the problem alas...
Extremism grows out of isolationism, which is born of making divisions among people. That is the work of the OP, so if you wish to avoid it, reject the OP.
Dumping the pledge is just another attempt by the left to create division where unity can grow, to erase history so they can rewrite it, to make the roots of socialism take root. There is nothing wrong with sharing a pledge amongst the races and classes. The OP is simply spreading anarchy, hate and slavery to his ideas.
Dumping the pledge is just another attempt by the left to create division where unity can grow, to erase history so they can rewrite it, to make the roots of socialism take root. There is nothing wrong with sharing a pledge amongst the races and classes. The OP is simply spreading anarchy, hate and slavery to his ideas.
Socialist critter that I often am, I always liked that the Pledge was written by a socialist.
But even more - what I liked was it's idea of one nation undivided, after the horror of our civil war - we'd never be divided again. It should remind us that, despite partisanship we are after all - all Americans. We may have differing ideas of what it means to be American, of the direction our country should take but we all want what's best and in the end, we are American.
Dumping the pledge is just another attempt by the left to create division where unity can grow, to erase history so they can rewrite it, to make the roots of socialism take root. There is nothing wrong with sharing a pledge amongst the races and classes. The OP is simply spreading anarchy, hate and slavery to his ideas.
It just cracks me up that you don't realize that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist.
Most of America disagrees with you. Just look at the wrong track poll numbers. You are in the minority, where you belong I might add.Unlike you apparently, I am not ancient. The America I grew up in was a great country. Was is the keyword. It is now soiled with leftist scumbags seeking to knock it down a notch or two.You are indeed whining about it. There is nothing remotely interesting about the Left's agenda to dismantle the America we all grew up in. Hiding behind the article is pointless. You posted it so own it crybabyNot "whining" about it, prison bitch boi. I found the article and I thought it was interesting and I knew it would get you guys riled up, so I thought it would be an interesting topic.
The America my grandmother grew up in did not allow her to work after marriage. The America my mother grew up in rarely accepted women into PHD programs in sciences, or allowed women to earn credit independent of her husband...the America I grew up in, is far better but we have yet to elect a woman president. Which America are we dismantling?
See, I think you are wrong - I don't think it "was" - I think it is. I think it's always growing and changing. Stasis is stagnation.
The OP is asking legitimate questions. Shouldn't we question our assumptions here?
I agree though, that extremism grows out of isolationism BUT...keep in mind those who view the pledge as a litmus test of patriotism can just as easily subvert it to create those same divisions.
The Founding Fathers never had to take the pledge of allegiance, so it is not a tradition, since it has been modified 3 times since written in 1892...Dumping the pledge is just another attempt by the left to create division where unity can grow, to erase history so they can rewrite it, to make the roots of socialism take root. There is nothing wrong with sharing a pledge amongst the races and classes. The OP is simply spreading anarchy, hate and slavery to his ideas.
Socialist critter that I often am, I always liked that the Pledge was written by a socialist.
But even more - what I liked was it's idea of one nation undivided, after the horror of our civil war - we'd never be divided again. It should remind us that, despite partisanship we are after all - all Americans. We may have differing ideas of what it means to be American, of the direction our country should take but we all want what's best and in the end, we are American.
Yet part of that American tradition is the Pledge, flag and national anthem. The OP is driving us toward a nation of self serving anarchists.
Dumping the pledge is just another attempt by the left to create division where unity can grow, to erase history so they can rewrite it, to make the roots of socialism take root. There is nothing wrong with sharing a pledge amongst the races and classes. The OP is simply spreading anarchy, hate and slavery to his ideas.
Socialist critter that I often am, I always liked that the Pledge was written by a socialist.
But even more - what I liked was it's idea of one nation undivided, after the horror of our civil war - we'd never be divided again. It should remind us that, despite partisanship we are after all - all Americans. We may have differing ideas of what it means to be American, of the direction our country should take but we all want what's best and in the end, we are American.
Yet part of that American tradition is the Pledge, flag and national anthem. The OP is driving us toward a nation of self serving anarchists.
The OP is asking legitimate questions. Shouldn't we question our assumptions here?
I agree though, that extremism grows out of isolationism BUT...keep in mind those who view the pledge as a litmus test of patriotism can just as easily subvert it to create those same divisions.
Today, at this moment the OP is working hard to isolate us, not some imaginary patriot.
Dumping the pledge is just another attempt by the left to create division where unity can grow, to erase history so they can rewrite it, to make the roots of socialism take root. There is nothing wrong with sharing a pledge amongst the races and classes. The OP is simply spreading anarchy, hate and slavery to his ideas.
Socialist critter that I often am, I always liked that the Pledge was written by a socialist.
But even more - what I liked was it's idea of one nation undivided, after the horror of our civil war - we'd never be divided again. It should remind us that, despite partisanship we are after all - all Americans. We may have differing ideas of what it means to be American, of the direction our country should take but we all want what's best and in the end, we are American.
Yet part of that American tradition is the Pledge, flag and national anthem. The OP is driving us toward a nation of self serving anarchists.
Or...self serving patriots. I think self serving - me me me - is accurate in some cases.
You are indeed whining about it. There is nothing remotely interesting about the Left's agenda to dismantle the America we all grew up in. Hiding behind the article is pointless. You posted it so own it crybabyYou pansies pick the stupidest shit to whine about. Find your nearest safe space & take shelter pussyThe Pledge of Allegiance is not an expression of patriotism. It is a loyalty oath that one normally associates with totalitarian regimes. People who love freedom, should be appalled by the idea our children are being coerced to stand and declare their support for the state. This is the worst form of indoctrination and it is completely anathema to the principals articulated in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I cannot imagine outspoken libertarians like Thomas Jefferson or Tom Paine ever proclaiming their loyalty to the state when they correctly saw the state as the greatest threat to individual freedom. Which it is.
Now I know that many people think the Pledge is simply an affirmation of their respect for the flag, their love for the country, and their gratitude to the men and women who fought in America’s wars. But that’s not what it is. The Pledge is an attempt to impose conformity on the masses and compel them to click their heels and proclaim their devotion to the Fatherland. That’s not how it’s supposed to work in a democracy. In a democracy, the representatives of the state are supposed to pledge their loyalty to the people and to the laws that protect them. That’s the correct relationship between the state and the people. The Pledge turns that whole concept on its head.
Now I’d have no problem if our schoolchildren recited the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence before class every day:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
That’s great stuff, unfortunately, the people who run this country would never allow it. They’d never allow our kids to recite an incendiary, revolutionary document like that every day for fear it would incite violence against the state. What they want is “good Germans”, not revolutionaries, not freedom-loving populists, and not well-informed, critical thinking individuals who can see through the sham of their jingoistic propaganda. They want people who are going to follow the rules, do what they’re told, fight the wars, and perform their worktime drudgery for 30 or 40 years until they’re carted off to the glue factory. That’s what they want. Reciting the Pledge fits perfectly with this dumbed-down version of permanent indentured servitude. It provides the ideological foundation for bovine acquiescence to the demands of the state and the crooks who run it behind the tri-color banner.
The fact that institutions like the Pledge are never challenged in a public format, points to deeper problems with the media and the way our kids are being educated. And while I don’t have time to talk about that now, it makes me wonder where are the people to question these silly recitations that undermine democracy and personal liberty? Why are their voices never heard?
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Can We Please Get Rid of the Pledge?
Interesting perspective, one that I've shared for years but never bothered to articulate as well as this author did. Your thoughts?
Not "whining" about it, prison bitch boi. I found the article and I thought it was interesting and I knew it would get you guys riled up, so I thought it would be an interesting topic.
The America my grandmother grew up in did not allow her to work after marriage. The America my mother grew up in rarely accepted women into PHD programs in sciences, or allowed women to earn credit independent of her husband...the America I grew up in, is far better but we have yet to elect a woman president. Which America are we dismantling?
The Founding Fathers never had to take the pledge of allegiance, so it is not a tradition, since it has been modified 3 times since written in 1892...Dumping the pledge is just another attempt by the left to create division where unity can grow, to erase history so they can rewrite it, to make the roots of socialism take root. There is nothing wrong with sharing a pledge amongst the races and classes. The OP is simply spreading anarchy, hate and slavery to his ideas.
Socialist critter that I often am, I always liked that the Pledge was written by a socialist.
But even more - what I liked was it's idea of one nation undivided, after the horror of our civil war - we'd never be divided again. It should remind us that, despite partisanship we are after all - all Americans. We may have differing ideas of what it means to be American, of the direction our country should take but we all want what's best and in the end, we are American.
Yet part of that American tradition is the Pledge, flag and national anthem. The OP is driving us toward a nation of self serving anarchists.
Dumping the pledge is just another attempt by the left to create division where unity can grow, to erase history so they can rewrite it, to make the roots of socialism take root. There is nothing wrong with sharing a pledge amongst the races and classes. The OP is simply spreading anarchy, hate and slavery to his ideas.
It just cracks me up that you don't realize that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist.
Perhaps you should reconsider your position then.
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Nah, it's okay. Just don't have one of those giant flags that's as big as the house.
I'll admit I tend to look unfavorably on any American who finds the Pledge or the National Anthem or displaying the flag uncomfortable or annoying or offensive. All are such symbols and expressions of liberty and all this country was intended to stand for, I can't find any reason to want any of that removed. They don't hurt anybody and I don't understand how other people enjoying the symbolism should bother anybody if they don't.
Nationalism is disgusting. Expressing extreme pride in the state -- especially when you had no fucking say in the matter -- is disgusting. What sort of idiot takes that much pride in something they had no choice in? Oh, your parents happened to have fucked in the USA? Congratulations. Wow.
As the author wrote, anything reminiscent of a totalitarian regime is wrong. I know you love authoritarianism, so you have a hard time wrapping your head around this concept. After all, you're "proud" of something you had no say in.
This is the best paragraph in the article, "Now I know that many people think the Pledge is simply an affirmation of their respect for the flag, their love for the country, and their gratitude to the men and women who fought in America’s wars. But that’s not what it is. The Pledge is an attempt to impose conformity on the masses and compel them to click their heels and proclaim their devotion to the Fatherland. That’s not how it’s supposed to work in a democracy. In a democracy, the representatives of the state are supposed to pledge their loyalty to the people and to the laws that protect them. That’s the correct relationship between the state and the people. The Pledge turns that whole concept on its head."
You fucking communist bastard...
You have no God Damn respect for the men who fought for your God Damn freedom, saved the world twice in two wars..
Promoted freedom around the world, and brought the world into the 21 st century..
No other country on earth can say that, sure we have our bad points liberals and conservatives both.
But we are human after all
No nation in the history of earth can claim all the good we did..
You are a fucking piece of shit...
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Way to fly off the handle there, ya loon. Talk about unhinged...
1. Not a communist, you drooling moron.
2. No one fought for "my freedom" since 1776, so shut the fuck up with your bullshit.
3. "Promoted freedom around the world," like how we did in Iraq you mean? lol
4. Get fucked.
1. You are a communist prick
2.No one fought for your freedom since 1776? Read a history book..you stupid commie pig.
3. The Kurds are not free ? Iraq don't have free elections?
You uneducated moron.
4. Suck my left nut..
Why are the goal post moved on a tradition?The Founding Fathers never had to take the pledge of allegiance, so it is not a tradition, since it has been modified 3 times since written in 1892...Dumping the pledge is just another attempt by the left to create division where unity can grow, to erase history so they can rewrite it, to make the roots of socialism take root. There is nothing wrong with sharing a pledge amongst the races and classes. The OP is simply spreading anarchy, hate and slavery to his ideas.
Socialist critter that I often am, I always liked that the Pledge was written by a socialist.
But even more - what I liked was it's idea of one nation undivided, after the horror of our civil war - we'd never be divided again. It should remind us that, despite partisanship we are after all - all Americans. We may have differing ideas of what it means to be American, of the direction our country should take but we all want what's best and in the end, we are American.
Yet part of that American tradition is the Pledge, flag and national anthem. The OP is driving us toward a nation of self serving anarchists.
Cool a tradition has an exact length of time now, apparently more than 124 years.
You are indeed whining about it. There is nothing remotely interesting about the Left's agenda to dismantle the America we all grew up in. Hiding behind the article is pointless. You posted it so own it crybabyYou pansies pick the stupidest shit to whine about. Find your nearest safe space & take shelter pussyThe Pledge of Allegiance is not an expression of patriotism. It is a loyalty oath that one normally associates with totalitarian regimes. People who love freedom, should be appalled by the idea our children are being coerced to stand and declare their support for the state. This is the worst form of indoctrination and it is completely anathema to the principals articulated in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I cannot imagine outspoken libertarians like Thomas Jefferson or Tom Paine ever proclaiming their loyalty to the state when they correctly saw the state as the greatest threat to individual freedom. Which it is.
Now I know that many people think the Pledge is simply an affirmation of their respect for the flag, their love for the country, and their gratitude to the men and women who fought in America’s wars. But that’s not what it is. The Pledge is an attempt to impose conformity on the masses and compel them to click their heels and proclaim their devotion to the Fatherland. That’s not how it’s supposed to work in a democracy. In a democracy, the representatives of the state are supposed to pledge their loyalty to the people and to the laws that protect them. That’s the correct relationship between the state and the people. The Pledge turns that whole concept on its head.
Now I’d have no problem if our schoolchildren recited the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence before class every day:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
That’s great stuff, unfortunately, the people who run this country would never allow it. They’d never allow our kids to recite an incendiary, revolutionary document like that every day for fear it would incite violence against the state. What they want is “good Germans”, not revolutionaries, not freedom-loving populists, and not well-informed, critical thinking individuals who can see through the sham of their jingoistic propaganda. They want people who are going to follow the rules, do what they’re told, fight the wars, and perform their worktime drudgery for 30 or 40 years until they’re carted off to the glue factory. That’s what they want. Reciting the Pledge fits perfectly with this dumbed-down version of permanent indentured servitude. It provides the ideological foundation for bovine acquiescence to the demands of the state and the crooks who run it behind the tri-color banner.
The fact that institutions like the Pledge are never challenged in a public format, points to deeper problems with the media and the way our kids are being educated. And while I don’t have time to talk about that now, it makes me wonder where are the people to question these silly recitations that undermine democracy and personal liberty? Why are their voices never heard?
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Read the rest here:
Can We Please Get Rid of the Pledge?
Interesting perspective, one that I've shared for years but never bothered to articulate as well as this author did. Your thoughts?
Not "whining" about it, prison bitch boi. I found the article and I thought it was interesting and I knew it would get you guys riled up, so I thought it would be an interesting topic.
The America my grandmother grew up in did not allow her to work after marriage. The America my mother grew up in rarely accepted women into PHD programs in sciences, or allowed women to earn credit independent of her husband...the America I grew up in, is far better but we have yet to elect a woman president. Which America are we dismantling?
Why is electing a woman president so important to you?
Don't you just want the best president possible?
I could care less if the president is a liberal or a democrat. Black, yellow, Brown or White. A woman, a guy, a lesbo, or a homo
As long as they are fair to everyone, willing to compromise across the aisle, understand /follow the constitution , not a liar. Not corrupt and a strong leader..no big deal to me who it is
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You pansies pick the stupidest shit to whine about. Find your nearest safe space & take shelter pussyThe Pledge of Allegiance is not an expression of patriotism. It is a loyalty oath that one normally associates with totalitarian regimes. People who love freedom, should be appalled by the idea our children are being coerced to stand and declare their support for the state. This is the worst form of indoctrination and it is completely anathema to the principals articulated in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I cannot imagine outspoken libertarians like Thomas Jefferson or Tom Paine ever proclaiming their loyalty to the state when they correctly saw the state as the greatest threat to individual freedom. Which it is.
Now I know that many people think the Pledge is simply an affirmation of their respect for the flag, their love for the country, and their gratitude to the men and women who fought in America’s wars. But that’s not what it is. The Pledge is an attempt to impose conformity on the masses and compel them to click their heels and proclaim their devotion to the Fatherland. That’s not how it’s supposed to work in a democracy. In a democracy, the representatives of the state are supposed to pledge their loyalty to the people and to the laws that protect them. That’s the correct relationship between the state and the people. The Pledge turns that whole concept on its head.
Now I’d have no problem if our schoolchildren recited the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence before class every day:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
That’s great stuff, unfortunately, the people who run this country would never allow it. They’d never allow our kids to recite an incendiary, revolutionary document like that every day for fear it would incite violence against the state. What they want is “good Germans”, not revolutionaries, not freedom-loving populists, and not well-informed, critical thinking individuals who can see through the sham of their jingoistic propaganda. They want people who are going to follow the rules, do what they’re told, fight the wars, and perform their worktime drudgery for 30 or 40 years until they’re carted off to the glue factory. That’s what they want. Reciting the Pledge fits perfectly with this dumbed-down version of permanent indentured servitude. It provides the ideological foundation for bovine acquiescence to the demands of the state and the crooks who run it behind the tri-color banner.
The fact that institutions like the Pledge are never challenged in a public format, points to deeper problems with the media and the way our kids are being educated. And while I don’t have time to talk about that now, it makes me wonder where are the people to question these silly recitations that undermine democracy and personal liberty? Why are their voices never heard?
---------------------------------
Read the rest here:
Can We Please Get Rid of the Pledge?
Interesting perspective, one that I've shared for years but never bothered to articulate as well as this author did. Your thoughts?
Not "whining" about it, prison bitch boi. I found the article and I thought it was interesting and I knew it would get you guys riled up, so I thought it would be an interesting topic.
You haven't got the slightest idea of what my "position" is. Hell, you're too stupid to figure out that I didn't compose the article in the OP, yet you keep posting as if I wrote it. You didn't know the Pledge was written by a socialist, yet you are accusing "the left" of wanting to "make the roots of socialism take root." Hilarious.
Why are the goal post moved on a tradition?
The Pledge has been changed 3 times, what was wrong with the original version?Why are the goal post moved on a tradition?
I have no idea, why did you move them?
