Can you be Anti Authoritarian on the left?

[Andylusion]

Ahhhh, the old "Murica, love it or leave it" bullshit....Good thing you're not an authoritarian!

All I'm saying is is nobody is forcing you to be on this team. We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot.

Good....Can I quit being forced, at gunpoint if necessary, to pay for your "game"?

You're playing, ya gotta pay.

Don't wanna play? Well there's the door, as oreviprevi mentioned.

He wasn't given a choice about playing, dumbass.

He has a choice. Nobody is trapped here.

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

 

[Crepitus]

All I'm saying is is nobody is forcing you to be on this team. We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot.

Good....Can I quit being forced, at gunpoint if necessary, to pay for your "game"?

You're playing, ya gotta pay.

Don't wanna play? Well there's the door, as oreviprevi mentioned.

He wasn't given a choice about playing, dumbass.

He has a choice. Nobody is trapped here.

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

 

[bripat9643]

Good....Can I quit being forced, at gunpoint if necessary, to pay for your "game"?

You're playing, ya gotta pay.

Don't wanna play? Well there's the door, as oreviprevi mentioned.

He wasn't given a choice about playing, dumbass.

He has a choice. Nobody is trapped here.

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

I love the way leftwingers claim every incarnation of their ideals is not a genuine incarnation of their ideals.

 

[bripat9643]

As far as I understand it the vast majority of "left-wing" actions are taken to remove individual freedom. I'm not making a case against this but simply confused.
Are there causes in the left wing circle where they fight for less power in the hands of Government?

Is it possible to be liberal minded but be overall against the addition of regulations laws already in place?

I'm trying my best to articulate my thoughts I understand its still going to be misconstrued as an insult to the left wing but I'm trying to understand the "overall" beliefs of "Left & Right" since everyone has different definitions, so I'm trying to formulate my own.

Youre confusing power with authority. Power is simply the ability to do something. Authority is a claim to legitimacy of the ability to do something.

Either way, what difference does it make? Leftists are in favor of both.

The meaning makes the difference. Didnt they teach you that in workshop english?

There is no real difference in the meaning. Any entity with the ability to control you always claims it does so legitimately.

 

[Crepitus]

You're playing, ya gotta pay.

Don't wanna play? Well there's the door, as oreviprevi mentioned.

He wasn't given a choice about playing, dumbass.

He has a choice. Nobody is trapped here.

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

I love the way leftwingers claim every incarnation of their ideals is not a genuine incarnation of their ideals.

Those things have nothing to do with the American left.

 

[bripat9643]

He wasn't given a choice about playing, dumbass.

He has a choice. Nobody is trapped here.

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

I love the way leftwingers claim every incarnation of their ideals is not a genuine incarnation of their ideals.

Those things have nothing to do with the American left.

They are based on the exact same ideals as those of the American left. Venezuela is a perfect example of the policies that Dims endorse.

 

[Crepitus]

He has a choice. Nobody is trapped here.

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

I love the way leftwingers claim every incarnation of their ideals is not a genuine incarnation of their ideals.

Those things have nothing to do with the American left.

They are based on the exact same ideals as those of the American left. Venezuela is a perfect example of the policies that Dims endorse.

Wrong.

 

[Asclepias]

As far as I understand it the vast majority of "left-wing" actions are taken to remove individual freedom. I'm not making a case against this but simply confused.
Are there causes in the left wing circle where they fight for less power in the hands of Government?

Is it possible to be liberal minded but be overall against the addition of regulations laws already in place?

I'm trying my best to articulate my thoughts I understand its still going to be misconstrued as an insult to the left wing but I'm trying to understand the "overall" beliefs of "Left & Right" since everyone has different definitions, so I'm trying to formulate my own.

Youre confusing power with authority. Power is simply the ability to do something. Authority is a claim to legitimacy of the ability to do something.

Either way, what difference does it make? Leftists are in favor of both.

The meaning makes the difference. Didnt they teach you that in workshop english?

There is no real difference in the meaning. Any entity with the ability to control you always claims it does so legitimately.

Only a retard would insist on saying there is no real difference in two words that mean different things.

 

[bripat9643]

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

I love the way leftwingers claim every incarnation of their ideals is not a genuine incarnation of their ideals.

Those things have nothing to do with the American left.

They are based on the exact same ideals as those of the American left. Venezuela is a perfect example of the policies that Dims endorse.

Wrong.

ROFL! Which of Chavez's economic policies did the American left object to?

 

[Andylusion]

Good....Can I quit being forced, at gunpoint if necessary, to pay for your "game"?

You're playing, ya gotta pay.

Don't wanna play? Well there's the door, as oreviprevi mentioned.

He wasn't given a choice about playing, dumbass.

He has a choice. Nobody is trapped here.

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

Left-wing ideology naturally leads to authoritarianism. You can't take stuff from one group of people, and give it to another group, without the use of force. People simply don't live their lives in a manor that when they work their entire lives for something, they just have random people they don't know, demand it from them and they give it.

The only way to make such a system work, is through the force of government authority.

Why part of all those left-wing socialist systems, would you say is "not left-wing."?

 

[Crepitus]

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

I love the way leftwingers claim every incarnation of their ideals is not a genuine incarnation of their ideals.

Those things have nothing to do with the American left.

They are based on the exact same ideals as those of the American left. Venezuela is a perfect example of the policies that Dims endorse.

Wrong.

ROFL! Which of Chavez's economic policies did the American left object to?

The biggest thing was the house of cards he built on a single income stream.

 

[Asclepias]

You're playing, ya gotta pay.

Don't wanna play? Well there's the door, as oreviprevi mentioned.

He wasn't given a choice about playing, dumbass.

He has a choice. Nobody is trapped here.

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

Left-wing ideology naturally leads to authoritarianism. You can't take stuff from one group of people, and give it to another group, without the use of force. People simply don't live their lives in a manor that when they work their entire lives for something, they just have random people they don't know, demand it from them and they give it.

The only way to make such a system work, is through the force of government authority.

Why part of all those left-wing socialist systems, would you say is "not left-wing."?

Bullshit. You dont have to use force. You can use their stupidity against them. Like that gofundme for the wall. They are playing on the idiocy of conservatives and conning them to give up their welfare checks for a wall thats never going to get built.

 

[JokerX27505]

Been looking at Pew studies and it seems that Democrats tend to vote for more governmental power other than the topics listed.
Border defense, terrorism , Military and abortion
It doesn't mean they are for pulling all funding for these but tend to want less government in those areas compared to their republican counter parts.

Let me know if you find any others.

"American Studies' not sure how these differ from other places.

 

[bripat9643]

I love the way leftwingers claim every incarnation of their ideals is not a genuine incarnation of their ideals.

Those things have nothing to do with the American left.

They are based on the exact same ideals as those of the American left. Venezuela is a perfect example of the policies that Dims endorse.

Wrong.

ROFL! Which of Chavez's economic policies did the American left object to?

The biggest thing was the house of cards he built on a single income stream.

When did the American left object to that? New industries don't develop under socialism. Why would anyone invest money in a socialist country? You would have to be suffering from brain damage to even consider such an idea.

 

[Crepitus]

Those things have nothing to do with the American left.

They are based on the exact same ideals as those of the American left. Venezuela is a perfect example of the policies that Dims endorse.

Wrong.

ROFL! Which of Chavez's economic policies did the American left object to?

The biggest thing was the house of cards he built on a single income stream.

When did the American left object to that? New industries don't develop under socialism. Why would anyone invest money in a socialist country? You would have to be suffering from brain damage to even consider such an idea.

You're just repeating talking points.

 

[bripat9643]

They are based on the exact same ideals as those of the American left. Venezuela is a perfect example of the policies that Dims endorse.

Wrong.

ROFL! Which of Chavez's economic policies did the American left object to?

The biggest thing was the house of cards he built on a single income stream.

When did the American left object to that? New industries don't develop under socialism. Why would anyone invest money in a socialist country? You would have to be suffering from brain damage to even consider such an idea.

You're just repeating talking points.

No, those are facts. name any new industry the developed under socialism.

 

[Oddball]

You're playing, ya gotta pay.

Don't wanna play? Well there's the door, as oreviprevi mentioned.

He wasn't given a choice about playing, dumbass.

He has a choice. Nobody is trapped here.

Right, and eventually if the left-wing moves far enough in that direction, you end up with every prison society that has ever existed.

The whole reason the Soviets ordered the border to be closed, was not to keep people from swarming in to enjoy 'playing the game' under left-wing rule. It was to keep people from escaping.

Same with Cuba, and North Korea, and the Vietnamese boat people.

Left-wing socialism, is a nightmare to live in. No matter how much you guys make it out like is a joy and workers paradise, the end result is Venezuela, where people are fleeing by the millions now.

And when you say:
"We don't need you, there are billions of folks who would do virtually anything to have your spot."
That statement is in itself, and authoritarian statement. Stalin said the same thing, which is why he had all those show trials, and slaughtered millions of people..

The only reason people are trying to get into this country today, is because we are not a left-wing socialist Utopia, and that is only because the right-wing capitalists have kept the socialist left-wing at bay.

When we don't, you end up with California, where now Apple computer is planning a new campus in Texas, to escape California.

What do you think will happen when enough companies start leaving California that they start seeing real economic decline? They already tried to put a tax on people leaving the state once.

Because we have to force them to stay here, and pay our high taxes.

All fine and dandy, except that they weren't really left wing. They were authoritarian dictatorships masquerading as communism.

I love the way leftwingers claim every incarnation of their ideals is not a genuine incarnation of their ideals.

 

[2aguy]

Keeping it short since that seems to get more of a response.

Mostly a question to those who self identify as being more left wing.
And hopefully is treated with honest responses and not just emotional venting.


Also is there a forum "topic" for just asking questions and getting honest responses from both sides of the spectrum? you know, learn why a side thinks the way the do?

No. The left wing believes that central control is the best way to fix problems. Believing that, they want more and more government to control more and more of our lives in the hope that government will fix problems that individuals can't fix. And with the history of humanity showing that government can't fix problems, and always becomes oppressive, they delude themselves into thinking that the next generation of left wing, government believers will get it right....

 

[2aguy]

Keeping it short since that seems to get more of a response.

Mostly a question to those who self identify as being more left wing.
And hopefully is treated with honest responses and not just emotional venting.


Also is there a forum "topic" for just asking questions and getting honest responses from both sides of the spectrum? you know, learn why a side thinks the way the do?

Um, being anti-authoritarian is pretty much what the left is all about.

Are you joking? Ask the cake maker about left wing authoritarians.......

 

[there4eyeM]

Keeping it short since that seems to get more of a response.

Mostly a question to those who self identify as being more left wing.
And hopefully is treated with honest responses and not just emotional venting.


Also is there a forum "topic" for just asking questions and getting honest responses from both sides of the spectrum? you know, learn why a side thinks the way the do?

I doubt being anti authoritarian has anything to do with left or right.

To take your post as saying a person can be anti-authoritarian no matter what 'side' it comes from, yes.
By definition, right certainly implies strict authority.
They could be correct as well as 'right', yet authority always needs frequent visits from less harnessed sectors. Maybe society needs both.