Canada's middle class Is better than ours. This is despite...

[The Rabbi]

2) Canada having a higher tax rate on the wealthy

• Canada’s rich now paying lower income taxes than America’s rich
• Taxes on rich were much higher during boom years of the past
• ‘Scant evidence’ that wealthy will leave Canada over higher taxes

Trudeau Should Hike Income Tax On Rich To 65 Per Cent: CCPA

Actually the EFFECTIVE tax rate on the wealthy in the US is lower than the rate of the Canadians. They don't have America's wide range of deductions

Bullshit. The effective tax rate in the US is the highest in the world.

 

[The Rabbi]

1) Canada having a higher minimum wage

2) Canada having a higher tax rate on the wealthy

3) Canada having Widespread unions

4) Canada having strong bank regulations

5) Canada having free healthcare

What is a "better middle class"? What does that even mean?
I sense another spectacular Billy Fail Thread coming.

Do you not understand what an economic class is? Of course you don't. How silly of me.

OK so you have no answer. Pure, straight ignorance.
Do they have higher average incomes? Higher average household wealth? Longer life spans? Higher rates of consumption? Higher personal satisfaction?
Nothing. You've got nothing. You haven't quantified what you wrote, much less backed it up by any evidence.
You fail because you are Billy Triple Zero.

How America's middle class fell behind its Canadian neighbours

If you’re a proud member of America’s middle class, you may have been startled to learn last week that your after-tax income now makes you worse off than your Canadian neighbors to the north. They can now claim the title of the richest middle class on the planet.

Let’s take a look at the bombshell that the New York Times dropped in our midstlast week. It’s based on data from the Luxembourg Income Study Database, and focuses squarely on median income.

That means that instead of being distorted by the impact of millionaires and billionaires becoming still richer and the wealth gap becoming still wider, using this data gives analysts a sense of the experience of the average household in any given country. It also means an economist can compare overall economic growth of a country to the experience of individual households in that country – and by those standards, the United States just doesn’t come off that well.

Because while our economy has been growing more rapidly than those of other nations, a smaller percentage of those households is sharing in that prosperity, the data suggests. (Income inequality is at its highest level since 1928.)

Income, take home pay, better for the middle class Canandian than for the middle class American. looks like Billy was right on this.

If you’re a proud member of America’s middle class, you may have been startled to learn last week that your after-tax income now makes you worse off than your Canadian neighbors to the north.


Median per capita income in the U.S. has barely budged since 2000, while Canadians have seen their median income jump 20 percent.

Holy crap! There may be a less useful stat than "median per capita income", but I'll be damned if I can think of it.

Median means you line up all the numbers from lowest to highest and the number in the middle is the median.
How you turn that into a per capita number is some kind of liberal head-up-assery for sure.
Did they take the median household income and divide it by the average household size?

Wow, moronic for sure.
.

Little things like facts, reality and statistics are irrelevant for Billy Major Fail, worst poster on USMB. He gets a factoid to show whatever and runs with it.
And somehow the idea that Obama, who has been president for nearly 8years is actually responsible for the shitty economy never enters his mind.

 

[The Rabbi]

1) Canada having a higher minimum wage

2) Canada having a higher tax rate on the wealthy

3) Canada having Widespread unions

4) Canada having strong bank regulations

5) Canada having free healthcare

Tax rate is around 50% for those making middle class wages. Or have they declared that those making $100,000 are now among the wealthiest people. And the healthcare is "free" because middle class pays a lot in taxes. It was over 50% when the far lefties were in charge. There are waiting lists for many tests due to the universal healthcare system. It's "free" to some, if they can get it. There has been discussion off and on about going back to some private insurers because the current system isn't working that great. There is very limited coverage, if any, if the people need health care while vacationing out of the country. Many choose to come here just so they can get the best treatment, but it's out of pocket. That means most can't get the treatment they need. Only the wealthy can afford the best cancer treatment and other expensive meds. The socialist leaders can also come here for the best doctors and treatment. It's actually designed to favor the wealthiest because they are the only ones who still have choices.

The usual discredited bs...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

1) Canada having a higher minimum wage

2) Canada having a higher tax rate on the wealthy

3) Canada having Widespread unions

4) Canada having strong bank regulations

5) Canada having free healthcare

Have you hired a moving company yet? Sounds like a great place for you.

As if anyone accepts Americans....We're better Americans than hater dupes and aren't going anywhere. We're going to improve our lot, not believe a lot of bs from lying greedy billionaires.
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Why can't I be both, you are. Are you saying your dear leaders policies ain't working, you know you could lose your regressive sodomite enabler card over shit like that. But feel free to elaborate about all the victims in prison.

What policies? The GOP has blocked everything that could help the middle class except ACA (the month we had control of congress), and help for infrastructure jobs, cheap college and training, raising the min wage, taxing the rich and giant corps their fair share, cut military spending etc etc. This is all just ALL our great country, with NO GOP corrupt bubble TYVM.

I'm really sorry you're such a senile old regressive sodomite enabler, I guess you can't remember the near trillion dollar stimulus for Not So Shovel ready Jobs and the huge military cuts in the sequester, but hey, what can you expect form someone who has problems writing complete sentences?

Those things were Bush's fault. Or the GOP. Or the Tea Party. Or something.

 

[Theowl32]

Every time a pathetic left winger posts on here, it reveals the utter pathetic lies their American hating propagandists push on them. Of course it is all about how "pathetic" America is and how great "Europe" is or "Canada."

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from every country around the world try to get here. Many risk their lives. How many of those people are "desperately trying to get to Canada?"

Notice folks how Americans are not trying to "escape" America?

Another piece of pathetic propaganda pushed on the dumbest people on the planet and of course the dumbest people on the planet believe it. Why? Simple. The dumbest people on the planet is the American socialist. Nothing is dumber than that and posts from this OP shows it every time.

 

[The Rabbi]

Every time a pathetic left winger posts on here, it reveals the utter pathetic lies their American hating propagandists push on them. Of course it is all about how "pathetic" America is and how great "Europe" is or "Canada."

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from every country around the world try to get here. Many risk their lives. How many of those people are "desperately trying to get to Canada?"

Notice folks how Americans are not trying to "escape" America?

Another piece of pathetic propaganda pushed on the dumbest people on the planet and of course the dumbest people on the planet believe it. Why? Simple. The dumbest people on the planet is the American socialist. Nothing is dumber than that and posts from this OP shows it every time.

The irony is they can post how the middle class in America is in terrible shape and then deny that 8 years of Obama has anything to do with it.

 

[Theowl32]

Every time a pathetic left winger posts on here, it reveals the utter pathetic lies their American hating propagandists push on them. Of course it is all about how "pathetic" America is and how great "Europe" is or "Canada."

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from every country around the world try to get here. Many risk their lives. How many of those people are "desperately trying to get to Canada?"

Notice folks how Americans are not trying to "escape" America?

Another piece of pathetic propaganda pushed on the dumbest people on the planet and of course the dumbest people on the planet believe it. Why? Simple. The dumbest people on the planet is the American socialist. Nothing is dumber than that and posts from this OP shows it every time.

The irony is they can post how the middle class in America is in terrible shape and then deny that 8 years of Obama has anything to do with it.

 

[Dr Grump]

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from every country around the world try to get here.

You really need to paraphrase that:

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from third-world Shitholes try to get here.

 

[The Rabbi]

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from every country around the world try to get here.

You really need to paraphrase that:

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from third-world Shitholes try to get here.

Canada, Germany, Ireland and Japan are all third world shitholes?

 

[Dr Grump]

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from every country around the world try to get here.

You really need to paraphrase that:

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from third-world Shitholes try to get here.

Canada, Germany, Ireland and Japan are all third world shitholes?

Per head of population just as many Americans go live in those countries, and those people make up a very small number of immigrants to the US. Most are from the third world.

Don't oversell yourself. Literally 100s 0f 1000s of people from the ME are clambering to get into Europe.

People risk life and limb to get to Australia and NZ. Plenty are trying to get into Canada.

The US is fantastic at selling Bullshit. Now ask how many of those immigrants to your fair land are living the American Dream. Fuck all I'd say.

 

[OKTexas]

Tax rate is around 50% for those making middle class wages. Or have they declared that those making $100,000 are now among the wealthiest people. And the healthcare is "free" because middle class pays a lot in taxes. It was over 50% when the far lefties were in charge. There are waiting lists for many tests due to the universal healthcare system. It's "free" to some, if they can get it. There has been discussion off and on about going back to some private insurers because the current system isn't working that great. There is very limited coverage, if any, if the people need health care while vacationing out of the country. Many choose to come here just so they can get the best treatment, but it's out of pocket. That means most can't get the treatment they need. Only the wealthy can afford the best cancer treatment and other expensive meds. The socialist leaders can also come here for the best doctors and treatment. It's actually designed to favor the wealthiest because they are the only ones who still have choices.

The usual discredited bs...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Have you hired a moving company yet? Sounds like a great place for you.

As if anyone accepts Americans....We're better Americans than hater dupes and aren't going anywhere. We're going to improve our lot, not believe a lot of bs from lying greedy billionaires.
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Why can't I be both, you are. Are you saying your dear leaders policies ain't working, you know you could lose your regressive sodomite enabler card over shit like that. But feel free to elaborate about all the victims in prison.

What policies? The GOP has blocked everything that could help the middle class except ACA (the month we had control of congress), and help for infrastructure jobs, cheap college and training, raising the min wage, taxing the rich and giant corps their fair share, cut military spending etc etc. This is all just ALL our great country, with NO GOP corrupt bubble TYVM.

I'm really sorry you're such a senile old regressive sodomite enabler, I guess you can't remember the near trillion dollar stimulus for Not So Shovel ready Jobs and the huge military cuts in the sequester, but hey, what can you expect form someone who has problems writing complete sentences?

Those things were Bush's fault. Or the GOP. Or the Tea Party. Or something.

What his inability to form complete sentences? Well Bush might have had something to do with it I guess.

 

[The Rabbi]

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from every country around the world try to get here.

You really need to paraphrase that:

Makes you wonder of course why so many people from third-world Shitholes try to get here.

Canada, Germany, Ireland and Japan are all third world shitholes?

Per head of population just as many Americans go live in those countries, and those people make up a very small number of immigrants to the US. Most are from the third world.

Don't oversell yourself. Literally 100s 0f 1000s of people from the ME are clambering to get into Europe.

People risk life and limb to get to Australia and NZ. Plenty are trying to get into Canada.

The US is fantastic at selling Bullshit. Now ask how many of those immigrants to your fair land are living the American Dream. Fuck all I'd say.

Wrong.
People are fleeing violence and death to get to Europe. People are fleeing socialist shitholes like New Zealand to get to the US. Immigrants here are among the fastest growing members of the middle class.

 

[The Rabbi]

The usual discredited bs...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?
As if anyone accepts Americans....We're better Americans than hater dupes and aren't going anywhere. We're going to improve our lot, not believe a lot of bs from lying greedy billionaires.
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Why can't I be both, you are. Are you saying your dear leaders policies ain't working, you know you could lose your regressive sodomite enabler card over shit like that. But feel free to elaborate about all the victims in prison.

What policies? The GOP has blocked everything that could help the middle class except ACA (the month we had control of congress), and help for infrastructure jobs, cheap college and training, raising the min wage, taxing the rich and giant corps their fair share, cut military spending etc etc. This is all just ALL our great country, with NO GOP corrupt bubble TYVM.

I'm really sorry you're such a senile old regressive sodomite enabler, I guess you can't remember the near trillion dollar stimulus for Not So Shovel ready Jobs and the huge military cuts in the sequester, but hey, what can you expect form someone who has problems writing complete sentences?

Those things were Bush's fault. Or the GOP. Or the Tea Party. Or something.

What his inability to form complete sentences? Well Bush might have had something to do with it I guess.

It's all Bush's fault. The Clinton recession? Bush. The recession caused when Democrats took Congress in 2006? Bush. Failed stimulus? Bush. Obamacare failure? Bush.

 

[Skull Pilot]

1) Canada having a higher minimum wage

2) Canada having a higher tax rate on the wealthy

3) Canada having Widespread unions

4) Canada having strong bank regulations

5) Canada having free healthcare

So pack your bags and go

 

[francoHFW]

Do you not understand what an economic class is? Of course you don't. How silly of me.

OK so you have no answer. Pure, straight ignorance.
Do they have higher average incomes? Higher average household wealth? Longer life spans? Higher rates of consumption? Higher personal satisfaction?
Nothing. You've got nothing. You haven't quantified what you wrote, much less backed it up by any evidence.
You fail because you are Billy Triple Zero.

How America's middle class fell behind its Canadian neighbours

If you’re a proud member of America’s middle class, you may have been startled to learn last week that your after-tax income now makes you worse off than your Canadian neighbors to the north. They can now claim the title of the richest middle class on the planet.

Let’s take a look at the bombshell that the New York Times dropped in our midstlast week. It’s based on data from the Luxembourg Income Study Database, and focuses squarely on median income.

That means that instead of being distorted by the impact of millionaires and billionaires becoming still richer and the wealth gap becoming still wider, using this data gives analysts a sense of the experience of the average household in any given country. It also means an economist can compare overall economic growth of a country to the experience of individual households in that country – and by those standards, the United States just doesn’t come off that well.

Because while our economy has been growing more rapidly than those of other nations, a smaller percentage of those households is sharing in that prosperity, the data suggests. (Income inequality is at its highest level since 1928.)

Income, take home pay, better for the middle class Canandian than for the middle class American. looks like Billy was right on this.

If you’re a proud member of America’s middle class, you may have been startled to learn last week that your after-tax income now makes you worse off than your Canadian neighbors to the north.


Median per capita income in the U.S. has barely budged since 2000, while Canadians have seen their median income jump 20 percent.

Holy crap! There may be a less useful stat than "median per capita income", but I'll be damned if I can think of it.

Median means you line up all the numbers from lowest to highest and the number in the middle is the median.
How you turn that into a per capita number is some kind of liberal head-up-assery for sure.
Did they take the median household income and divide it by the average household size?

Wow, moronic for sure.
.

The median would be the middle class duh. The average would be higher because of the HUGE income of the few megarich at the top after 35 years of Voodoo, dupe...

The median would be the middle class duh.

Bullshit. You think the middle class is $18,700 per person? Dupe.

Do you not understand what an economic class is? Of course you don't. How silly of me.

OK so you have no answer. Pure, straight ignorance.
Do they have higher average incomes? Higher average household wealth? Longer life spans? Higher rates of consumption? Higher personal satisfaction?
Nothing. You've got nothing. You haven't quantified what you wrote, much less backed it up by any evidence.
You fail because you are Billy Triple Zero.

How America's middle class fell behind its Canadian neighbours

If you’re a proud member of America’s middle class, you may have been startled to learn last week that your after-tax income now makes you worse off than your Canadian neighbors to the north. They can now claim the title of the richest middle class on the planet.

Let’s take a look at the bombshell that the New York Times dropped in our midstlast week. It’s based on data from the Luxembourg Income Study Database, and focuses squarely on median income.

That means that instead of being distorted by the impact of millionaires and billionaires becoming still richer and the wealth gap becoming still wider, using this data gives analysts a sense of the experience of the average household in any given country. It also means an economist can compare overall economic growth of a country to the experience of individual households in that country – and by those standards, the United States just doesn’t come off that well.

Because while our economy has been growing more rapidly than those of other nations, a smaller percentage of those households is sharing in that prosperity, the data suggests. (Income inequality is at its highest level since 1928.)

Income, take home pay, better for the middle class Canandian than for the middle class American. looks like Billy was right on this.

If you’re a proud member of America’s middle class, you may have been startled to learn last week that your after-tax income now makes you worse off than your Canadian neighbors to the north.


Median per capita income in the U.S. has barely budged since 2000, while Canadians have seen their median income jump 20 percent.

Holy crap! There may be a less useful stat than "median per capita income", but I'll be damned if I can think of it.

Median means you line up all the numbers from lowest to highest and the number in the middle is the median.
How you turn that into a per capita number is some kind of liberal head-up-assery for sure.
Did they take the median household income and divide it by the average household size?

Wow, moronic for sure.
.

The median would be the middle class duh. The average would be higher because of the HUGE income of the few megarich at the top after 35 years of Voodoo, dupe...

The median would be the middle class duh.

Bullshit. You think the middle class is $18,700 per person? Dupe.

If that's the median, just proves what a bust Reaganism is, except for the richest.

 

[francoHFW]

Why can't I be both, you are. Are you saying your dear leaders policies ain't working, you know you could lose your regressive sodomite enabler card over shit like that. But feel free to elaborate about all the victims in prison.

What policies? The GOP has blocked everything that could help the middle class except ACA (the month we had control of congress), and help for infrastructure jobs, cheap college and training, raising the min wage, taxing the rich and giant corps their fair share, cut military spending etc etc. This is all just ALL our great country, with NO GOP corrupt bubble TYVM.

I'm really sorry you're such a senile old regressive sodomite enabler, I guess you can't remember the near trillion dollar stimulus for Not So Shovel ready Jobs and the huge military cuts in the sequester, but hey, what can you expect form someone who has problems writing complete sentences?

Those things were Bush's fault. Or the GOP. Or the Tea Party. Or something.

What his inability to form complete sentences? Well Bush might have had something to do with it I guess.

It's all Bush's fault. The Clinton recession? Bush. The recession caused when Democrats took Congress in 2006? Bush. Failed stimulus? Bush. Obamacare failure? Bush.

Obviously, became GOP in general. .com duh.

1) Canada having a higher minimum wage

2) Canada having a higher tax rate on the wealthy

3) Canada having Widespread unions

4) Canada having strong bank regulations

5) Canada having free healthcare

Or... you could just move to Canada. They seem to have everything you want.

Try thinking some day.

 

[francoHFW]

We picked up their tab.

No we didn't.

OK so you have no answer. Pure, straight ignorance.
Do they have higher average incomes? Higher average household wealth? Longer life spans? Higher rates of consumption? Higher personal satisfaction?
Nothing. You've got nothing. You haven't quantified what you wrote, much less backed it up by any evidence.
You fail because you are Billy Triple Zero.

So you're just going to pretend their middle class didn't surpass ours? They have higher incomes you dumbass. Of course apparently you are too stupid to realize life spans isn't a measure of middle class.

OK so you have no answer. Pure, straight ignorance.
Do they have higher average incomes? Higher average household wealth? Longer life spans? Higher rates of consumption? Higher personal satisfaction?
Nothing. You've got nothing. You haven't quantified what you wrote, much less backed it up by any evidence.
You fail because you are Billy Triple Zero.

Of course he WAS AWOL, and two profs at some stupid little college mean nothing, dupe. GW is a fact also.
So you're just going to pretend their middle class didn't surpass ours? They have higher incomes you dumbass. Of course apparently you are too stupid to realize life spans isn't a measure of middle class.

I asked the question: What is their take home pay? By your own words, Higher income and a higher tax rate on the wealthy? What portion of the Middle Class is considered 'wealthy'? Before you shit yourself and start calling me names, take some time and think about the concept of take-home pay as a percentage of income.

Their income is higher after taxes. If you want to hammer out all the nuance to that be my guest.

Their income is higher after taxes.

If only you could prove it.

The Left only believes burden of proof and empirical validation applies to the other side. Oh, when they do site validation, it's usually fabricated as we saw with Dan Rather saying Bush was AWOL from the National Guard while holding up 1972 Microsoft Word generated documents or when the University of East Anglia did not like the empirical data for a climate change study do they emailed one another to change the data to fit the narrative.... And got caught.

Of course he WAS AWOL (setup?), and two profs at some stupid little college mean nothing, dupe. GW is a fact also.

 

[Dr Grump]

Wrong.
People are fleeing violence and death to get to Europe. People are fleeing socialist shitholes like New Zealand to get to the US. Immigrants here are among the fastest growing members of the middle class.

Exactly, they're fleeing third world shitholes. Fortunately some in Europe are taking them in. Unlike the US.

With regard to NZ, you really ought to do some research before spouting off.
Still flocking to NZ

Links with regards to immigrants becoming the fastest growing members of the middle class.

 

[Old Rocks]

I posted links that show the Canadian middle class has both a higher after tax income and a longer lifespan than the American middle class. And then the attempts to divert the thread to other subjects began. So address why this is so, why the Canadian middle class is doing better if our system is that good.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I posted links that show the Canadian middle class has both a higher after tax income and a longer lifespan than the American middle class. And then the attempts to divert the thread to other subjects began. So address why this is so, why the Canadian middle class is doing better if our system is that good.

Then pack your bags and go, too.

 

[LeftofLeft]

No we didn't.

So you're just going to pretend their middle class didn't surpass ours? They have higher incomes you dumbass. Of course apparently you are too stupid to realize life spans isn't a measure of middle class.

Of course he WAS AWOL, and two profs at some stupid little college mean nothing, dupe. GW is a fact also.
So you're just going to pretend their middle class didn't surpass ours? They have higher incomes you dumbass. Of course apparently you are too stupid to realize life spans isn't a measure of middle class.

I asked the question: What is their take home pay? By your own words, Higher income and a higher tax rate on the wealthy? What portion of the Middle Class is considered 'wealthy'? Before you shit yourself and start calling me names, take some time and think about the concept of take-home pay as a percentage of income.

Their income is higher after taxes. If you want to hammer out all the nuance to that be my guest.

Their income is higher after taxes.

If only you could prove it.

The Left only believes burden of proof and empirical validation applies to the other side. Oh, when they do site validation, it's usually fabricated as we saw with Dan Rather saying Bush was AWOL from the National Guard while holding up 1972 Microsoft Word generated documents or when the University of East Anglia did not like the empirical data for a climate change study do they emailed one another to change the data to fit the narrative.... And got caught.

Of course he WAS AWOL (setup?), and two profs at some stupid little college mean nothing, dupe. GW is a fact also.

If it were fact, then Dan Rather would have had no reason to forge and fraud the American People with 1972 Microsoft Word documents. The only dupes in this picture are Dan Rather and yourself. Rather acted just like the man he despised, Richard Nixon, in that he used any means possible to take down his enemy; legal or not.