Carolinas get big gov socialism assistance because of storm .

ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

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WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.
Of course itā€™s not ā€˜socialismā€™; nor is it ā€˜big government.ā€™

Itā€™s called sound, responsible governance and appropriate public policy ā€“ something most on the right have no understanding of.

Itā€™s what modern, civilized, 21st Century First World industrialized nations do.

Oh please . Yā€™all get mad at me because I dare to apply CONSERVATIVE mantras to real life .

How is fema helping uninsured homeowners any different than someone accessing food stamps or unemployment after a job loss ?
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

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WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


Moron...socialism is the government controlling the means of production...misusing tax dollars to support relief efforts is not socialism, it is misplaced government spending.
Sorry you just described communism not socialism! Strom releif is a form of socialism! Misusing of tax dollars is no where in the definition of socialism but can happen under any form of government!
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

[/paste:font]

WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.

No it isn't Socialism as pointed out HERE:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

The current Government is a REPUBLIC, which has a Congress that appropriates the money for declared disaster areas, they do it at the state level too. Socialism isn't need at all to make this happen.

Do You consider obamacare, social security, welfare programs , food stamps , to be socialism ? Cause every con here does .

I get the technical definition. But thereā€™s also the every day political definition thatā€™s far looser . Blame the cons for that one .

Social Security is from employer/employee, right out of their paychecks
Food Stamps are appropriated by CONGRESS for a small number of people having need to stay on their feet., while millions never use Food stamps.

You are confusing what Socialism is to what some of the government programs are:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them."

black bolding mine

There is NO social ownership and workers self management of Food Stamps, SS, Obamacare and more since they are being done through the Republican form of government who provides money for occasional use otherwise they don't get used at all.

I don't have Food Stamps or Obamacare at all, does that mean I am NOT a part of Socialism? A true Socialist state would have EVERYONE be directly involved in it, EVERYONE would be under the same rules and requirements.

No shit! But you ignore the everyday usage of the word . Typically by conservatives who tag every gov program that benefits people as ā€œsocialism ā€œ .

Surely youā€™ve seen the endless ā€œsocialism!!!ā€ Threads .
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

[/paste:font]

WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.

No it isn't Socialism as pointed out HERE:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

The current Government is a REPUBLIC, which has a Congress that appropriates the money for declared disaster areas, they do it at the state level too. Socialism isn't need at all to make this happen.

Do You consider obamacare, social security, welfare programs , food stamps , to be socialism ? Cause every con here does .

I get the technical definition. But thereā€™s also the every day political definition thatā€™s far looser . Blame the cons for that one .


It's clear that you cannot tell the difference between redistribution and actual government services to preserve safety, etc.
They are all socialism.
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

[/paste:font]

WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.

These are necessary taxes. This isn't socialism. Why don't you move off to europe since you seem to love that type of system.
 
Hereā€™s the latest liberals = socialism thread. About 5 minuets old!

The Democratic Party Platform

Why donā€™t yall run over there with your textbook definitions of ā€œsocialism ā€œ?

Oh you wonā€™t . Cause you are embarrassed to play the ā€œevil socialism ā€œ game when people can see the benefits of somthing like fema in real time .
 
Another senseless, ignorant liberal OP. No one has ever whined about federal disaster aid. No one has ever begrudged any state the aid it needs to cope with a natural disaster. Such aid has always passed Congress by overwhelming majorities.
So conservatives understand THIS socialistic principle?

That people in a disaster need the help of the Federal government?

Glad you understand that people's needs should be met by "we the people"
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

[/paste:font]

WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.

No it isn't Socialism as pointed out HERE:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

The current Government is a REPUBLIC, which has a Congress that appropriates the money for declared disaster areas, they do it at the state level too. Socialism isn't need at all to make this happen.

Do You consider obamacare, social security, welfare programs , food stamps , to be socialism ? Cause every con here does .

I get the technical definition. But thereā€™s also the every day political definition thatā€™s far looser . Blame the cons for that one .


It's clear that you cannot tell the difference between redistribution and actual government services to preserve safety, etc.
They are all socialism.

Nope. You clearly do not understand what Socialism is.
 
Another senseless, ignorant liberal OP. No one has ever whined about federal disaster aid. No one has ever begrudged any state the aid it needs to cope with a natural disaster. Such aid has always passed Congress by overwhelming majorities.
So conservatives understand THIS socialistic principle?

That people in a disaster need the help of the Federal government?

Glad you understand that people's needs should be met by "we the people"

But but but . FEMA is not mentioned in the constitution!!!

Ainā€™t that the typical con response to ā€œbig government ā€œ?
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

[/paste:font]

WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.

No it isn't Socialism as pointed out HERE:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

The current Government is a REPUBLIC, which has a Congress that appropriates the money for declared disaster areas, they do it at the state level too. Socialism isn't need at all to make this happen.

Do You consider obamacare, social security, welfare programs , food stamps , to be socialism ? Cause every con here does .

I get the technical definition. But thereā€™s also the every day political definition thatā€™s far looser . Blame the cons for that one .


It's clear that you cannot tell the difference between redistribution and actual government services to preserve safety, etc.
They are all socialism.

Nope. You clearly do not understand what Socialism is.

Well I do, and somebody owes me a roll of paper towels goddam it.
 
No it isn't Socialism as pointed out HERE:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

The current Government is a REPUBLIC, which has a Congress that appropriates the money for declared disaster areas, they do it at the state level too. Socialism isn't need at all to make this happen.

Do You consider obamacare, social security, welfare programs , food stamps , to be socialism ? Cause every con here does .

I get the technical definition. But thereā€™s also the every day political definition thatā€™s far looser . Blame the cons for that one .


It's clear that you cannot tell the difference between redistribution and actual government services to preserve safety, etc.
They are all socialism.

Nope. You clearly do not understand what Socialism is.

Well I do, and somebody owes me a roll of paper towels goddam it.


Sadly, all we can offer is a Tissue.
 
Do You consider obamacare, social security, welfare programs , food stamps , to be socialism ? Cause every con here does .

I get the technical definition. But thereā€™s also the every day political definition thatā€™s far looser . Blame the cons for that one .


It's clear that you cannot tell the difference between redistribution and actual government services to preserve safety, etc.
They are all socialism.

Nope. You clearly do not understand what Socialism is.

Well I do, and somebody owes me a roll of paper towels goddam it.


Sadly, all we can offer is a Tissue.


Gesundheit.
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

[/paste:font]

WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.

No it isn't Socialism as pointed out HERE:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

The current Government is a REPUBLIC, which has a Congress that appropriates the money for declared disaster areas, they do it at the state level too. Socialism isn't need at all to make this happen.

Do You consider obamacare, social security, welfare programs , food stamps , to be socialism ? Cause every con here does .

I get the technical definition. But thereā€™s also the every day political definition thatā€™s far looser . Blame the cons for that one .


It's clear that you cannot tell the difference between redistribution and actual government services to preserve safety, etc.
They are all socialism.

Nope. You clearly do not understand what Socialism is.

And YOU are going to redefine it for us?
PASS :rolleyes:
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

[/paste:font]

WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.

No it isn't Socialism as pointed out HERE:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

The current Government is a REPUBLIC, which has a Congress that appropriates the money for declared disaster areas, they do it at the state level too. Socialism isn't need at all to make this happen.

Do You consider obamacare, social security, welfare programs , food stamps , to be socialism ? Cause every con here does .

I get the technical definition. But thereā€™s also the every day political definition thatā€™s far looser . Blame the cons for that one .

Social Security is from employer/employee, right out of their paychecks
Food Stamps are appropriated by CONGRESS for a small number of people having need to stay on their feet., while millions never use Food stamps.

You are confusing what Socialism is to what some of the government programs are:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them."

black bolding mine

There is NO social ownership and workers self management of Food Stamps, SS, Obamacare and more since they are being done through the Republican form of government who provides money for occasional use otherwise they don't get used at all.

I don't have Food Stamps or Obamacare at all, does that mean I am NOT a part of Socialism? A true Socialist state would have EVERYONE be directly involved in it, EVERYONE would be under the same rules and requirements.

No shit! But you ignore the everyday usage of the word . Typically by conservatives who tag every gov program that benefits people as ā€œsocialism ā€œ .

Surely youā€™ve seen the endless ā€œsocialism!!!ā€ Threads .

I made the point, which you have no answer for, so why are you whining all over it?

"Social Security is from employer/employee, right out of their paychecks"

This isn't socialism at all.

By the way I am an Independent, so you can take your partisanship elsewhere.
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

[/paste:font]

WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.
And, you STILL don't know the correct definition of "Socialism" do you?
 
ah yes. The evils of socialism. ER help, low/no interest loans to help rebuild .

Iā€™m sure all this hard core gop in those red states will turn down their free welfare .

Hypocrites.

Trump approves North Carolina disaster declaration

[/paste:font]

WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.


WASHINGTON (WNCN) - President Donald Trump declared North Carolina a major disaster area on Friday and ordered federal aid to be sent to the state following Hurricane Florence, the White House announced.

Get the latest Florence forecast

Federal funding is now available in Beaufort, Brunswick, Carteret, Craven, New Hanover, Onslow, Pamlico, and Pender counties.

Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster, the White House said.
And, you STILL don't know the correct definition of "Socialism" do you?


Quick! You are needed in this thread with your sanctimonious leacture on socialism!

Ben Shapiro DEBUNKS 7 Democratic Socialism Myths
 
Huge difference between needing help due to a NATURAL DISASTER and needing help because you are a lazy do nothing moocher.
 
Huge difference between needing help due to a NATURAL DISASTER and needing help because you are a lazy do nothing moocher.

How so? Itā€™s not like a hurricane in the Carolinas is some rare thing .

Whatā€™s so different from your house on the coast being flooded vs having your factory you worked at since forever close down ?
 

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