CBO: Poor Americans would lose billions under GOP tax plan

[jc456]

If 13 million people decide not to purchase health insurance its Trump's fault?

Hey, if you want to have 13 million people hit the emergency room when they need a $100-200 thousand dollar surgery .. fine by me. But don't whine when your rates go absolutely sky high and rural hospitals continue to shut down because they can only take so many welfare cases.

Remember too, that the IM was originally a Heritage Foundation idea!

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

Heritage Rewrites History

Why would a poor person need a $100-200 thousand surgery? (BTW spelling out dollars and using $ is redundant)

Hospitals are only required to keep you from dying in an emergency. If you die after that because you can't afford surgery, oh well!

Wouldn’t that be incentive to get a job?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

They forced us to buy car insurance, now no one even thinks about it. starting people early having to think about health ins is a good thing. its not any of our faults that between big business & government they figure out how to make every thing we must have cost more money, require complicated paper work.

No one is forced to purchase car insurance, that simply is untrue.

You own a car you better have insurance Isn't it a states law?

Yes, but I know a few people that don't drive. I knew many when I lived in NYC.

 

[miketx]

Next thing will be "Hilary wins by a mudslide!"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If 13 million people decide not to purchase health insurance its Trump's fault?

Hey, if you want to have 13 million people hit the emergency room when they need a $100-200 thousand dollar surgery .. fine by me. But don't whine when your rates go absolutely sky high and rural hospitals continue to shut down because they can only take so many welfare cases.

Remember too, that the IM was originally a Heritage Foundation idea!

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

Heritage Rewrites History

Hey, if you want to have 13 million people hit the emergency room when they need a $100-200 thousand dollar surgery .. fine by me.

Have hospital bankruptcies improved since Obamacare mandated coverage?

Remember too, that the IM was originally a Heritage Foundation idea!

Cool. How many other Heritage ideas should we implement?

 

[Siete]

If 13 million people decide not to purchase health insurance its Trump's fault?

Hey, if you want to have 13 million people hit the emergency room when they need a $100-200 thousand dollar surgery .. fine by me. But don't whine when your rates go absolutely sky high and rural hospitals continue to shut down because they can only take so many welfare cases.

Remember too, that the IM was originally a Heritage Foundation idea!

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

Heritage Rewrites History

Why would a poor person need a $100-200 thousand surgery? (BTW spelling out dollars and using $ is redundant)

Hospitals are only required to keep you from dying in an emergency. If you die after that because you can't afford surgery, oh well!

• Total costs will vary significantly depending on the patient's condition and the medications and procedures required. With health insurance, costs typically include standard copays and coinsurance of 10%-50%, and usually quickly pass the annual out-of-pocket maximum.
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• Without insurance, total costs can vary from $30,000-$300,000 or more, depending on the cause of the cardiac arrest and whether medication is effective or if surgeries or other procedures are needed.

poor bastard had a heart attack and it cost 300k to save him

seaman rockbrain is an idiot ..

 

[jc456]

Next thing will be "Hilary wins by a mudslide!"

She lost with a mudslide

 

[DrLove]

Hey, if you want to have 13 million people hit the emergency room when they need a $100-200 thousand dollar surgery .. fine by me.

Have hospital bankruptcies improved since Obamacare mandated coverage?

Yes, until Trump started his assault on O-care.

How hospitals got richer off Obamacare
How Obamacare Repeal Would Harm Rural America | Scholars Strategy Network
5.7 Billion Reasons Hospitals Love Obamacare

AND it reduced personal bankruptcies BIGLY (by half to be precise):

How the Affordable Care Act Drove Down Personal Bankruptcy

Any more questions?

 

[bendog]

I just heard the moron say tax cuts will cost him a fortune and saps like blues will believe everything the liar says

I'm in the 3% so this tax reform bill will most likely cost me money. I'll be footing even more of the bill for the moochers and deadbeats.

The way I heard it it'll cost everyone making 75K a year a couple more 1000 a year BIG business gets most of the cuts AND while I have your ear how long do you think it'll take republicans to f with SS and medicare?

That's the million dollar question. (-: Their rational for this pig initially was it was the only way to get enough growth to pay for ss/medicare, but no one will project enough growth from this to even offset the added debt. So, they're betting that a couple of grand for taxpayers will get them enough votes to stay in power in 18 and maybe 20..

Whatta guess? Maybe 15 years till we can't afford to service the debt and pay the entitlements?

Economic growth is our ONLY hope of digging out of the national debt hole they dug us into. The problem is even if that growth comes to pass we still have these morons in congress in charge of spending.

I only partially agree because I think restraining increases in entitlement programs has to go hand in hand with growth. But how possibly can a tax cut - THAT NO ONE OUTSIDE THE GOP SAYS WILL PAY FOR ITSELF WITH MORE REVENUE THAT IT CUTS - help the fucking deficits?

 

[DrLove]

Why would a poor person need a $100-200 thousand surgery? (BTW spelling out dollars and using $ is redundant)

Hospitals are only required to keep you from dying in an emergency. If you die after that because you can't afford surgery, oh well!

Rut-Roh - the redundancy police arriveth

Do you know what surgeries cost now? A simple appendectomy averages around 35k

Cost of an appendectomy? Reddit user posts $55,000 bill

Do poor people not require emergency surgery? .. or maybe we should just let them die or ask hospitals to pick up that tab.

Heart bypass surgery is between 70 and 200 grand. Do poor people not need heart bypasses from time to time?

bypass.html

OR .. maybe they can ask their church for the money?

The Republican solution to all this? DON'T GET SICK - but if you do?

DIE QUICKLY!!

 

[DrLove]

Do you notice how the trumptards who will suffer most under this plan think it's funny?

Yep, can't wait to see them laugh their asses off in Trump States that expanded Medicaid when their insurance is yanked out from under them and they end up in ER for one reason or another. They be lovin' the Orange Shitgibbon then fo sho!

 

[eddiew37]

I just heard the moron say tax cuts will cost him a fortune and saps like blues will believe everything the liar says

I'm in the 3% so this tax reform bill will most likely cost me money. I'll be footing even more of the bill for the moochers and deadbeats.

The way I heard it it'll cost everyone making 75K a year a couple more 1000 a year BIG business gets most of the cuts AND while I have your ear how long do you think it'll take republicans to f with SS and medicare?

That's the million dollar question. (-: Their rational for this pig initially was it was the only way to get enough growth to pay for ss/medicare, but no one will project enough growth from this to even offset the added debt. So, they're betting that a couple of grand for taxpayers will get them enough votes to stay in power in 18 and maybe 20..

Whatta guess? Maybe 15 years till we can't afford to service the debt and pay the entitlements?

Economic growth is our ONLY hope of digging out of the national debt hole they dug us into. The problem is even if that growth comes to pass we still have these morons in congress in charge of spending.

I only partially agree because I think restraining increases in entitlement programs has to go hand in hand with growth. But how possibly can a tax cut - THAT NO ONE OUTSIDE THE GOP SAYS WILL PAY FOR ITSELF WITH MORE REVENUE THAT IT CUTS - help the fucking deficits?

Hopefully there are a few republicans not attached to trumps ass that will vote it down

 

[Skull Pilot]

Well, trickle-down failed - so Republicans will now try "trickle-UP"

This is largely because the legislation would eliminate the individual mandate, which requires nearly all Americans to get health insurance or pay a penalty. This would result in 13 million fewer people having coverage in 2027, the CBO found.

Many of the folks who would forgo coverage would have lower or moderate incomes and would have qualified for Medicaid or federal help paying their premiums or out-of-pocket health expenses, CBO found.

Those earning less than $40,000 a year would be worse off in 2025, when the bill's provisions would mostly be in effect, according to the report released Sunday. On the flip side, those with higher incomes would enjoy tax breaks.​

Poor Americans would lose billions under Senate GOP tax bill

So you mean they are given a choice instead of a mandate?

Why on earth would we want people to make their own choices anyway?

 

[eddiew37]

Do you notice how the trumptards who will suffer most under this plan think it's funny?

Yep, can't wait to see them laugh their asses off in Trump States that expanded Medicaid when their insurance is yanked out from under them and they end up in ER for one reason or another. They be lovin' the Orange Shitgibbon then fo sho!

I look forward to hear all the moans and groans coming from the retards when they find out how trump and their congress screwed them I'll LMAO

 

[DrLove]

I look forward to hear all the moans and groans coming from the retards when they find out how trump and their congress screwed them I'll LMAO

If they pass this tax reform clunker it'll be the death of the Republican Party, or at least toss them to the sidelines for a generation or so.

But the entertainment value may be worth the pain.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hey, if you want to have 13 million people hit the emergency room when they need a $100-200 thousand dollar surgery .. fine by me.

Have hospital bankruptcies improved since Obamacare mandated coverage?

Yes, until Trump started his assault on O-care.

How hospitals got richer off Obamacare
How Obamacare Repeal Would Harm Rural America | Scholars Strategy Network
5.7 Billion Reasons Hospitals Love Obamacare

AND it reduced personal bankruptcies BIGLY (by half to be precise):

How the Affordable Care Act Drove Down Personal Bankruptcy

Any more questions?

Yes, until Trump started his assault on O-care.

Are you sure?

82 Rural Hospital Closures: January 2010 - Present - Sheps Center

82 closures listed above. 75 are between 2010-2016.


AND it reduced personal bankruptcies BIGLY (by half to be precise):

As legislators and the executive branch renew their efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act this week, they might want to keep in mind a little-known financial consequence of the ACA: Since its adoption, far fewer Americans have taken the extreme step of filing for personal bankruptcy.

Filings have dropped about 50 percent, from 1,536,799 in 2010 to 770,846 in 2016 (see chart, below). Those years also represent the time frame when the ACA took effect. Although courts never ask people to declare why they’re filing, many bankruptcy and legal experts agree that medical bills had been a leading cause of personal bankruptcy before public healthcare coverage expanded under the ACA.

That's funny!!
I mean claiming that the ACA did that, without any proof.
It's not like going thru the weakest economic recovery since WWII would have
reduced bankruptcies without the passage of ACA, right?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why would a poor person need a $100-200 thousand surgery? (BTW spelling out dollars and using $ is redundant)

Hospitals are only required to keep you from dying in an emergency. If you die after that because you can't afford surgery, oh well!

Rut-Roh - the redundancy police arriveth

Do you know what surgeries cost now? A simple appendectomy averages around 35k

Cost of an appendectomy? Reddit user posts $55,000 bill

Do poor people not require emergency surgery? .. or maybe we should just let them die or ask hospitals to pick up that tab.

Heart bypass surgery is between 70 and 200 grand. Do poor people not need heart bypasses from time to time?

bypass.html

OR .. maybe they can ask their church for the money?

The Republican solution to all this? DON'T GET SICK - but if you do?

DIE QUICKLY!!

Liberal, thy name is "ignorant".

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia

Heart by-passes would not be covered.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Do you notice how the trumptards who will suffer most under this plan think it's funny?

Yep, can't wait to see them laugh their asses off in Trump States that expanded Medicaid when their insurance is yanked out from under them and they end up in ER for one reason or another. They be lovin' the Orange Shitgibbon then fo sho!

Medicaid is a state program. If it gets cut, the state is to blame for not shouldering their share of the load.

Why should I pay taxes for people's medical coverage who live in a state that could cover it just like mine does, but doesn't hold up their end?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I look forward to hear all the moans and groans coming from the retards when they find out how trump and their congress screwed them I'll LMAO

If they pass this tax reform clunker it'll be the death of the Republican Party, or at least toss them to the sidelines for a generation or so.

But the entertainment value may be worth the pain.

You misspelled "Democrat" again!

 

[DrLove]

Liberal, thy name is "ignorant".

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia

Heart by-passes would not be covered.

It used to be that conservatives would not abide "freeloaders" .. Now it would appear that they welcome them!

Yeah let the hospitals and insurance holders pick up the tab in what will ultimately be higher rates.

Strange days indeed!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I look forward to hear all the moans and groans coming from the retards when they find out how trump and their congress screwed them I'll LMAO

If they pass this tax reform clunker it'll be the death of the Republican Party, or at least toss them to the sidelines for a generation or so.

But the entertainment value may be worth the pain.

If they pass this tax reform clunker it'll be the death of the Republican Party,

Obviously. Because look at the success tax hikers have had in recent history.

GHWB, hiked taxes in 1990, lost in 1992.
Clinton hiked taxes in 1993, lost control of the House and Senate with huge losses of seats.
I mean, 54 seats in the House and 9 in the Senate. Crazy how tax hikes are so popular!!!

The other time in recent history something like that happened was after Obamacare helped
the Dems lose 63 seats in the House in 2010.

Tax cutters do much better.