Celebs and Plastic Surgery

[ChrisL]

MEN are not judged strictly on their appearances, as women are, that goes especially for women who are celebrities when really, unless you're playing the role of a beauty queen, it really shouldn't matter. I think I would enjoy seeing some regular looking people in the movies sometimes. I always enjoyed Clint Eastwood westerns, and the people in those movies were not "beautiful" people.

There are PLENTY of male actors who are not visually attractive. It only seems to matter for women.

To be fair, you're not going to see a lot of men like the following in the movies either.

There are also a fair number of female actresses out there that I wouldn't consider to be especially "sexy" (Sissy Spacek, Kathy Bates, Joan Cussak, Queen Latifa, etca).

You also have to keep in mind that a lot of the pressure on women to appear "pristine" all the time comes from other women, not men. Guys will certainly appreciate if a woman looks nice, but we usually won't be anywhere near as judgmental as women tend to be if she doesn't.

We probably won't notice her at all, to be honest. lol

There are not a "fair" number of them. They are VERY few and far between. Most Hollywood actresses are beautiful and have nice bodies.

I don't agree with your assessment at all. I have heard men make fun of women's appearances MANY times, such as "butterface" as well as ridiculing overweight women, talking about women's breast size or butt size, etc., etc., etc.

In comparison, there are MANY unattractive male actors, even overweight ones.

Also, just a page or 2 ago, a man was making fun of Tori Spelling's appearance!!! Saying she was a double bagger.

And then you guys have the nerve to go and say you like "natural-looking" women. No you don't. A lot of you guys would prefer the "caricature" obviously. Just read some of the threads around here. What about the "butt religion" thread?

 

[Sgt_Gath]

Oh my goodness, so true! If you don't think women are the worst critics, attend a Miss America Pageant gathering. 50 of the prettiest college coeds and this is what you will hear:

"Horse teeth!"
"Who let her pick that dress?"
"Really, that's the best New Jersey has to offer?"
"Couldn't she comb her hair?"
"Those are fake."
"Someone should have told her that makes her look paunchy."

You think that's why women get breast implants and butt implants?

By and large, I think women get them to boost their own self-esteem more than anything else.

Sure, some men will go after the "beach ball tits" look. However, it's no where near a majority.

 

[Capstone]

I had to look her up because, although the name was familiar, I could not place her. I agree she is beautiful and looks natural. If she had any work done, it was a superb job.

If that's a recent photo, it's been significantly air-brushed. I think she's 60 or 61, and she's got the patina to prove it, so to speak.

 

[Tresha91203]

No, not implants. Women tend to criticize other women with implants while wishing they were shaped differently, themselves. Fat ass used to be negative until around JLo, as far as I recall.

I know very few people in real life with implants, and they were very flat before and did not get huge ones ... around a C I would say. I know no one with butt implants.

 

[ChrisL]

Oh my goodness, so true! If you don't think women are the worst critics, attend a Miss America Pageant gathering. 50 of the prettiest college coeds and this is what you will hear:

"Horse teeth!"
"Who let her pick that dress?"
"Really, that's the best New Jersey has to offer?"
"Couldn't she comb her hair?"
"Those are fake."
"Someone should have told her that makes her look paunchy."

You think that's why women get breast implants and butt implants?

By and large, I think women get them to boost their own self-esteem more than anything else.

Sure, some men will go after the "beach ball tits" look. However, it's no where near a majority.

That is SUCH bull. They do it because they know that the men prefer big breasted, big butted women, and that is what the men will pay to see. It has nothing to do with women IMO.

 

[ChrisL]

No, not implants. Women tend to criticize other women with implants while wishing they were shaped differently, themselves. Fat ass used to be negative until around JLo, as far as I recall.

I know very few people in real life with implants, and they were very flat before and did not get huge ones ... around a C I would say. I know no one with butt implants.

Women celebrities get them. They get all KINDS of implants that are available now. There are so many procedures, you can alter your entire body.

 

[Sgt_Gath]

There are not a "fair" number of them. They are VERY few and far between. Most Hollywood actresses are beautiful and have nice bodies.

Okay. So how many hideously ugly male actors are there?

Unless they're getting type cast as "average joes," "losers," or monsters all the time, not a lot.

I don't agree with your assessment at all. I have heard men make fun of women's appearances MANY times, such as "butterface" as well as ridiculing overweight women, talking about women's breast size or butt size, etc., etc., etc.

We judge based on appearance too. We're simply not quite so meticulous about it as women tend to be.

We don't care what dress, make up, or shoes a woman's wearing. We just care that she looks good in general.

Again, if she doesn't, we're a lot more likely to simply not notice her at all, than to be judgmental about it.

Besides, haven't we had this conversation before, Chris?

You're always talking about how picky you are when it comes to women's looks.

 

[Tresha91203]

I had to look her up because, although the name was familiar, I could not place her. I agree she is beautiful and looks natural. If she had any work done, it was a superb job.

If that's a recent photo, it's been significantly air-brushed. I think she's 60 or 61, and she's got the patina to prove it, so to speak.

I just googled her and picked the pic I liked best. I don't know the date. She always looks good on TV, though!

ETA: Her wiki pic is awful.

 

[ChrisL]

There are not a "fair" number of them. They are VERY few and far between. Most Hollywood actresses are beautiful and have nice bodies.

Okay. So how many hideously ugly male actors are there?

Unless they're getting type cast as "average joes," "losers," or monsters all the time, not a lot.

I don't agree with your assessment at all. I have heard men make fun of women's appearances MANY times, such as "butterface" as well as ridiculing overweight women, talking about women's breast size or butt size, etc., etc., etc.

We judge based on appearance too. We're simply not quite so meticulous about it as women tend to be.

We don't care what dress, make up, or shoes a woman's wearing. We just care that she looks good in general.

Again, if she doesn't, we're a lot more likely to simply not notice her at all, than to be judgmental about it.

Besides, haven't we had this conversation before, Chris?

You're always talking about how picky you are when it comes to women's looks.

I don't ridicule women who don't have big breasts or big arses, or for being overweight or for being ugly. Whereas men do this often. Just read some threads, and there's your proof!

Here you go.

IMDb 50 Ugliest male actors - a list by mborikow

 

[ChrisL]

Oh, and I'm QUITE sure that Nicki Minaj does not have butt implants, dress the way she dresses and act the way she acts to impress WOMEN. Lol.

 

[Sgt_Gath]

That is SUCH bull. They do it because they know that the men prefer big breasted, big butted women, and that is what the men will pay to see. It has nothing to do with women IMO.

Frankly, even that's not necessarily true. There are plenty of women in porn these days without implants.

Besides, how many women even have that issue?

Do you think the middle aged soccer mom who gets a boob job has to worry about men "paying" for her? Of course not.

She does it because the surgery makes her feel better about herself. It is also a status symbol showing off her wealth and beauty to all the other women she knows.

 

[ChrisL]

That is SUCH bull. They do it because they know that the men prefer big breasted, big butted women, and that is what the men will pay to see. It has nothing to do with women IMO.

Frankly, even that's not necessarily true. There are plenty of women in porn these days without implants.

Besides, how many women even have that issue?

Do you think the middle aged soccer mom who gets a boob job has to worry about men "paying" for her? Of course not.

She does it because the surgery makes her feel better about herself. It is also a status symbol showing off her wealth and beauty to all the other women she knows.

Not true. She's doing it because she is aging and she is worried about her husband finding her unattractive and no longer desiring her.

 

[Tresha91203]

No, not implants. Women tend to criticize other women with implants while wishing they were shaped differently, themselves. Fat ass used to be negative until around JLo, as far as I recall.

I know very few people in real life with implants, and they were very flat before and did not get huge ones ... around a C I would say. I know no one with butt implants.

Women celebrities get them. They get all KINDS of implants that are available now. There are so many procedures, you can alter your entire body.

I agree. I lean towards "They are celebrities because they are that type," rather than the other way around. That's just because I don't know real people like that, so just an opinion. It does seem to me that one has to be an amazing actress these days to be natural and still get work consistently. Mediocre barbies get parts all the time.

 

[ChrisL]

More unattractive male actors (some are repeats of course). These are very successful actors keep in mind. I mean seriously, anyone who denies that there is a double standard for women and men regarding physical beauty has their heads in the sand.

25 Successful Actors Who Aren 8217 t Very Attractive

 

[Sgt_Gath]

Not true. She's doing it because she is aging and she is worried about her husband finding her unattractive and no longer desiring her.

In other words, she's insecure, and trying to cover for it.

The odds are, if her husband doesn't find her attractive anymore, fake tits aren't going to fix the problem.

 

[Sgt_Gath]

I don't ridicule women who don't have big breasts or big arses, or for being overweight or for being ugly. Whereas men do this often. Just read some threads, and there's your proof!

Again, Chris, you do this often too. You're actually far worse about it than I am in most of our conversations.

What's your point?

Here you go.

IMDb 50 Ugliest male actors - a list by mborikow

Most of these guys are exactly what I said they were; type cast "average joes," "losers," or monsters.

The vast majority of them are not "leading men." Leading men tend to be pretty boys.

Also, not every woman agrees that these men are ugly. Women have a lot more variation in what they find attractive than men do.

 

[ChrisL]

Not true. She's doing it because she is aging and she is worried about her husband finding her unattractive and no longer desiring her.

In other words, she's insecure, and trying to cover for it.

The odds are, if her husband doesn't find her attractive anymore, fake tits aren't going to fix the problem.

Whatever. Do you think she's getting them so she can play with herself?

 

[ChrisL]

I don't ridicule women who don't have big breasts or big arses, or for being overweight or for being ugly. Whereas men do this often. Just read some threads, and there's your proof!

Again, Chris, you do this often too. You're actually far worse about it than I am in most of our conversations.

What's your point?

Here you go.

IMDb 50 Ugliest male actors - a list by mborikow

Most of these guys are exactly what I said they were; type cast "average joes," "losers," or monsters.

The vast majority of them are not "leading men." Leading men tend to be pretty boys.

Also, not every woman agrees that these men are ugly. Women have a lot more variation in what they find attractive than men do.

My point is that you said women do this to please themselves and other women but not men, and that is not true, and that men are not judged nearly as harshly based upon looks alone as women are. Are you seriously denying this?

 

[Tresha91203]

Average or even ugly males get dubbed "character actors" and seem to find work as cops on TV. I'd guess that the sheer numbers of homecoming queens who want to go hollywood play a part in that. The homecoming kings are generally jocks who try to go into pro sports.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't ridicule women who don't have big breasts or big arses, or for being overweight or for being ugly. Whereas men do this often. Just read some threads, and there's your proof!

Again, Chris, you do this often too. You're actually far worse about it than I am in most of our conversations.

What's your point?

Here you go.

IMDb 50 Ugliest male actors - a list by mborikow

Most of these guys are exactly what I said they were; type cast "average joes," "losers," or monsters.

The vast majority of them are not "leading men." Leading men tend to be pretty boys.

Also, not every woman agrees that these men are ugly. Women have a lot more variation in what they find attractive than men do.

Another thing, your comment about these guys being type cast is bogus. A LOT Of those guys have been the leading men in movies.