Chevy Volt Production Put On Five Week Hold

[peach174]

For the idiots, nothing runs forever, and the second law of thermodynamics has nothing to do with that simple statement of fact.

Perpetual motion comes pretty close to running forever.

 

[francoHFW]

Only ignorant dittoheads don't like the Volt, Einstein LOL.

 

[Trajan]

now take this into consideration...

35 miles takes electricity that comes from oil....

The rest...or 375 miles comes from gasoline...a bi product of oil refining.

So exactly how is that helping our dependency on oil?

What is the cost of dismantling these things when they reach the end of their lifespans? Not like they can go to the crusher.

You take the battery out first. Duh duh duh dittohead. Why don't you find out instead of asking stupid fear mongering questions, Rush?

so says the moron that thinks volts run forever on unicorn piss.....

 

[Trajan]

$40,000, and then a $7,500 rebate, bringing it down to $32,500.

Still a little pricey for a Chevy with new technology and no track record. The Nissan Leaf is a better deal, and at today's gas prices, you would break even in seven years.

From 2011:

At the $3.54 per gallon national average on Mar. 10, a typical car buyer would break even in seven years and save almost $6,000 over 12 years, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The 'REBATE' isn't from GM, but taxpayer dollars from the government. IOW, those that can't afford that type of sticker price are helping foot the bill for the RICH. Indeed, Obama wants to make it $10k in taxpayer cash to the buyers.

Did I claim the rebate was from GM? No.

Wingnut FAIL.

"wingnut fail"


I notice he doesn't say HOW he gets to 6K saved? what about the battery pack that has to be replaced by year 10?

 

[francoHFW]

Just to remind the dupes about the FACTS:

Car Review: New Car Test Drive


Below is a full, detailed review for the 2011 Chevrolet Volt written by the automotive experts at New Car Test Drive. A full evaluation of the driving experience, equipment and pricing are included from journalists with a wealth of experience.
Chevrolet Volt: Introduction
By JIM MCCRAW

General Motors has been working for nearly four years to bring the Volt electric sedan to market, and, based on what we've experienced, the final result is a shockingly good, technologically brilliant electrically powered sedan. The Volt seats four.

The Chevrolet Volt uses a enormous 420-pound, T-shaped lithium-ion battery, mounted right in the center of the car, under the center console and rear seat, to power the car through a large 149-horsepower, 368 foot-pound AC-current electric motor with a planetary transmission and transaxle driving the front wheels. Chevrolet says a fully charged battery will run the car on electricity alone for nearly 47 miles.

The battery, co-developed with Korea's LG Chemical, a leader in this technology, uses 288 slim cells divided into four 72-cell packs. The battery has its own separate heating and cooling systems to allow it to operate efficiently in extremes of temperature. The battery can be fully charged on normal house current in 10-12 hours, said Chevrolet, and with a 240-volt charging station, in about four hours. Since electric power rates vary wildly across the country, Chevrolet estimated than an overnight charge will cost $1.00 to $1.50 per day, far less than the several gallons of gasoline it would take most commuters to get to work and back. Chevrolet will charge $490 for the fast-charging station, plus whatever your local power utility will charge for installation, and some power companies are prepared to offer rebates on installations to promote the idea. The first 4,400 Chevrolet Volt buyers will get the charging station free.

When impending battery depletion is sensed by the electronic control system that links the battery, motor, clutches, transaxle, and starter/generator together, the 1.4-liter gasoline engine starts, and converts the starter into a 55-kilowatt generator, which then supplies electrical power to the battery and the motor so that the journey can continue.

Travel can continue until the 9.3-gallon fuel tank runs out of fuel, a distance that Chevrolet calculates to be about 350 miles, or 47 miles on the battery and 310 miles using gasoline to charge the battery. The battery is never truly depleted, and operates continuously between 50 and 65 percent of its capacity, but the system is geared toward preserving the battery's life and condition under extremes of heat, cold and continuous duty.

The Volt's 1.4-liter double-overhead-cam, four-valve, fuel injected gasoline engine is the same engine used in the Chevrolet Cruze, without the turbocharger, and is rated at 84 horsepower at 4800 rpm. Because there is the possibility of long periods of gasoline storage, the Volt is built with a sealed, pressurized fuel system, and Chevrolet has specified that only premium unleaded fuel be used because it can stand up to long periods of storage without deterioration. There is a warning system that tells the driver to go out for a drive to burn off any condensation that has reached the fuel.

Although the Volt could be characterized as a series hybrid by some definitions, Chevrolet insists the Volt is an extended-range electric vehicle with onboard generation, and that the gasoline engine, because it adds power through the starter/generator, doesn't ever drive the front tires directly.

The battery can drive the Volt in any of three modes, Normal, Sport and Mountain, in either Drive or Low ranges in the planetary transmission, offering a great deal of situational flexibility. Volt engineers recommend using the Low range any time the car is driving in bumper-to-bumper or other heavy traffic, so that the brakes can regenerate additional electricity.

If the $41,000 price tag seems high, remember the amount of new technology and expensive parts in this car, and be reminded that there is a $7500 federal tax rebate available, which drops the price down to $33,500. There is also a federal rebate of $2000 on a home charging unit. And several states offer refunds or rebates ranging from $2000 to $5000. Chevrolet offers a lease price on a Volt of $350 a month, with a 36,000-mile limit and a $2500 down payment. While the entire vehicle carries a normal GM warranty (three years, 36,000 miles), the battery itself carries an eight-year, 100,000-mile warranty.

Reviews - Review of New Cars - New York Times

Old coal plants and BS mines get closed- unless polluting, screw the workers Pubs are in charge. They also ignore sewers, water pipe, roads and bridges, etc etc.

 

[Flopper]

yes, congress and namely the pres. have kept the industry in check, providing exploratory licenses is one thing, then granting production leases is wholly another.

The natural gas boom is being driven purely by private domain, federal lands account for less than 15% of the productive fields. Obama has zip to do with it BUT the EPA is doing their level best to interfere, but thats a great deal harder on privately leased land.



now you're just making things up....


peak Oil or fossil fuel peak is BS, period.



the technology is not there yet, we have 5 national laboratories where in we spend billions to foster R&D on Green tech., they are on it.

When the tech. creates an efficient method of electrical power for vehicles, it won't be a secret, we are still at least a decade away.

Ecology has zip to do with it. The Volt is a mess, its cramped, its range is not very good, and the price precludes mass consumption, not even close to that. It is a boutique vehicle, GM did their level best with ala the federal help they needed to make it work, so IF IT COULD WORK, they wold not be pulling it.


Unless of course you are in favor of just paying GM outright to make them, AND then having them via a transfer of tax dollars to them, so they could drop the price to say 15-25k range....thats just nuts, period, why not just give them away.

I see nothing wrong with government providing some subsidy for an electric car, high efficiency light bulbs, recycling, or any new product or service that would benefit society as long as the subsidy has a limited life.

Yep. Neither does GE. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

If most people drove electric cars we would eliminate most of our air pollution, green house gases, and we could be energy independent. However, an electric car, such as the Volt has serious drawback, a limited range on battery, lack of a developed network of charging stations, and a higher price than competing gas models. These problems can all be solved once enough of these cars are sold. I think a subsidy which decreases yearly like we did with hybrids is proper. It helps put more of these cars on the road which is good for the country.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I see nothing wrong with government providing some subsidy for an electric car, high efficiency light bulbs, recycling, or any new product or service that would benefit society as long as the subsidy has a limited life.

Yep. Neither does GE. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

If most people drove electric cars we would eliminate most of our air pollution, green house gases, and we could be energy independent. However, an electric car, such as the Volt has serious drawback, a limited range on battery, lack of a developed network of charging stations, and a higher price than competing gas models. I think a subsidy which decreases yearly like we did with hybrids is proper. It helps put more of these cars on the road which is good for the country.

Yeah, never mind that nobody wants them...

 

[francoHFW]

Bad citizen, total dupe.LOL

 

[Papageorgio]

That is because instead of providing funding for research to find other alternatives and allowing the free market decide which is feasible. The left chooses to try and force something the market disagrees with and proceeds to throw tax payer money down the drain.

Why are liberals not buying the car? Why are they choosing other vehicles? Why don't they care about the environment, why are they cheering the failure of an alternative fuel vehicle, they just are not going to buy it, even knowing what they are doing to the environment!

They are, but they're only 22% of the country. The rest appear to be the idiot pawns of lying bought off Pub pundits and the cowardly corporate media, and all the laughing hyena moron bigot ugly 'merican dittoheads. Getting it yet? LOL!

So the estimated population is 313 million, you say that 22% are liberal, the means 68,860,000 are liberals, so if only 10% of the liberals truly believed in the VOLT and put their money where their mouth is, the total sales of the VOLT would be 6,886,000 cars sold, whoops only 10,000 sold which is less than 100th of a percent, and you still blame everyone else, looks like over 99.99% of liberals don't own one. Please put you money where your mouth is, you don't even own one, yet you expect others to buy them again the liberals telling us what to do, while they do what they want. You are full of it.

 

[Papageorgio]

Only ignorant dittoheads don't like the Volt, Einstein LOL.

So over 99.9999999% are ignorant, including yourself because you don't own something you claim you are in love with.

 

[saveliberty]

My biggest fear with this is, they raise the tax credit to $15,000.

 

[Flopper]

Yep. Neither does GE. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

If most people drove electric cars we would eliminate most of our air pollution, green house gases, and we could be energy independent. However, an electric car, such as the Volt has serious drawback, a limited range on battery, lack of a developed network of charging stations, and a higher price than competing gas models. I think a subsidy which decreases yearly like we did with hybrids is proper. It helps put more of these cars on the road which is good for the country.

Yeah, never mind that nobody wants them...

No one bought high efficiency light bulbs when they first came out. Today with government mandates and subsidies we are well on our way to reducing the need for 30 new electric power plants plus we are seeing fantastic developments in lighting technology.

Recycling, one of the best environmental success stories of the late 20th century would have never happened without government intervention.

Without government pressure on auto manufactures, we wouldn't have most of the safety and fuel efficiency improvements.

Contrary to right wing beliefs, all problems are not solved by the free market.

 

[francoHFW]

Behind the wheel, however, it all operates seamlessly. Hit the glowing blue start button, and the seven-inch LCD-screen instrument panel, like the one used for the standard navigation, comes to life. It presents an estimated electric-only range, a gas range, and a total of the two. To the right is a graphic that provides driving feedback; the Volt is operating most efficiently when the spinning, green ball of  leaves stays in the middle. Hit the gas too hard, and the ball elevates, shrinks, and turns yellow. Go for too much brake, and the ball does the opposite, slinging downward because energy that could have otherwise been recaptured regeneratively is being wasted. It’s a very straightforward and easy-to-follow setup. The center screen above the array of touch-sensitive controls on the dash keeps track of electrically and gas-driven miles separately, displays fuel economy (more on that later), and rates the efficiency of  your driving.

Whether or not the gas engine is running, the Volt always has an EV-like demeanor. Which is to say there’s almost no waiting—and no downshifting—as it responds swiftly to throttle inputs. Acceleration is one continuous ooze of thrust—sort-of CVT-like, only without the engine drone. In fact, although the Volt isn’t slow compared with its peers—its 9.2-second 0-to-60-mph time beats both the Leaf and the Toyota Prius by 0.8 second—it feels quicker than the numbers suggest because, off the line, no matter what the driver does, the electric motor’s 273 pound-feet of torque rolls out modestly and averts wheelspin. The immediacy you feel shows up better in the 3.7-second 30-to-50-mph time, which is just a couple of ticks slower than a V-6 Mazda 6.

There’s not much noise, either. In EV mode, the cabin is as quiet as a Lexus RX350’s at 70 mph, and even with the engine running, it matches the Prius at 72 dBA. The point at which the engine fires is barely discernible—the reconfiguring of the digital dash when it transitions is far more obvious. When the driver hammers the Volt in range-extending mode, the engine revs more assertively but is never harsh or intrusive.

2011 Chevrolet Volt Full Test - Road Test - Car Reviews - Car and Driver

 

[francoHFW]

Only ignorant dittoheads don't like the Volt, Einstein LOL.

So over 99.9999999% are ignorant, including yourself because you don't own something you claim you are in love with.

Congrats- you've turned buying a car into a totally political process...absolutely brainwashed dittohead... I'm driving my '93 Accord into the ground myself...LOL

Change the channel- hoping for your recovery...

 

[francoHFW]

Beyond its impressive powertrain, the Volt drives surprisingly well, with a reassuringly steady suspension. The electric power steering is light but direct on-center, adding weight in proportion to angle. It’s neither totally natural nor terribly off-putting. Ditto the regenerative brakes, which work well at moderate levels, though they’ll never match the feel of a good ol’ vacuum booster. At low speeds and during near-limit applications, the brakes can feel disconnected and very nonlinear.

Naturally, the Volt sports various mileage-extending features, including the anticipated wind-swept shape and a front apron to help aerodynamic efficiency. That said, its coefficient of drag is 0.29, worse than the far-more slippery Prius’s 0.25. The forged aluminum wheels wear low-rolling-resistance Goodyear Fuel Max tires, which squeal loudly as they approach the limit but are surprisingly capable, delivering a solid 0.83 g on the skidpad—same as the frisky Honda Accord. The stability control can’t be disabled, but it operates deftly so as not to intrude on smooth excursions to the limit, where the Volt is actually reasonably balanced.

Another interesting tidbit is an automatic seat-heater function. Warming the car’s cabin can be a significant energy draw—at times even more than powering the wheels—so the Volt will sometimes heat the seats instead of cranking the HVAC system to save power. And the Volt is the first vehicle to feature Bose’s new Energy Efficient Series sound system. The seven-speaker stereo uses amplifiers that rapidly switch on and off to conserve power rather than always-on linear amplifiers, and—combined with higher-grade neodymium magnets—the Bose system is both lighter and uses 50 percent less energy than before. But, most important, its clean and punchy sound quality is competitive even with that of cars costing far more.

2011 Chevrolet Volt Full Test - Road Test - Car Reviews - Car and Driver

 

[Synthaholic]

The 'REBATE' isn't from GM, but taxpayer dollars from the government. IOW, those that can't afford that type of sticker price are helping foot the bill for the RICH. Indeed, Obama wants to make it $10k in taxpayer cash to the buyers.

Did I claim the rebate was from GM? No.

Wingnut FAIL.

"wingnut fail"


I notice he doesn't say HOW he gets to 6K saved? what about the battery pack that has to be replaced by year 10?

Sure he does - gas savings. It's right there.

 

[bripat9643]

Did you buy one yet, turd?

No? Then shut the fuck up.

Behind the wheel, however, it all operates seamlessly. Hit the glowing blue start button, and the seven-inch LCD-screen instrument panel, like the one used for the standard navigation, comes to life. It presents an estimated electric-only range, a gas range, and a total of the two. To the right is a graphic that provides driving feedback; the Volt is operating most efficiently when the spinning, green ball of  leaves stays in the middle. Hit the gas too hard, and the ball elevates, shrinks, and turns yellow. Go for too much brake, and the ball does the opposite, slinging downward because energy that could have otherwise been recaptured regeneratively is being wasted. It’s a very straightforward and easy-to-follow setup. The center screen above the array of touch-sensitive controls on the dash keeps track of electrically and gas-driven miles separately, displays fuel economy (more on that later), and rates the efficiency of  your driving.

Whether or not the gas engine is running, the Volt always has an EV-like demeanor. Which is to say there’s almost no waiting—and no downshifting—as it responds swiftly to throttle inputs. Acceleration is one continuous ooze of thrust—sort-of CVT-like, only without the engine drone. In fact, although the Volt isn’t slow compared with its peers—its 9.2-second 0-to-60-mph time beats both the Leaf and the Toyota Prius by 0.8 second—it feels quicker than the numbers suggest because, off the line, no matter what the driver does, the electric motor’s 273 pound-feet of torque rolls out modestly and averts wheelspin. The immediacy you feel shows up better in the 3.7-second 30-to-50-mph time, which is just a couple of ticks slower than a V-6 Mazda 6.

There’s not much noise, either. In EV mode, the cabin is as quiet as a Lexus RX350’s at 70 mph, and even with the engine running, it matches the Prius at 72 dBA. The point at which the engine fires is barely discernible—the reconfiguring of the digital dash when it transitions is far more obvious. When the driver hammers the Volt in range-extending mode, the engine revs more assertively but is never harsh or intrusive.

2011 Chevrolet Volt Full Test - Road Test - Car Reviews - Car and Driver

 

[paulitician]

You dupes hate the Volt because Rush/Sean/Pubs etc tell you to- ther IS no othre reason.. You're brainwashed AGAIN!!

The Fisker Karma, that Rush etc has also been trying to sabotage, also can keep going as long as you put gas in it. Gorgeous...

You're a hateful Bigot who supports Corporate Welfare. Shame on you.

The only people against the Volt are brainwashed dittoheads. I hate lies...period.Corporate welfare my azz. I guess you're just for subsidizing Big Oil by bought off Pub cronies, not future industries competing with the highly subsidized rest of the world. A) Corrupt, and B) STUPID.

You're a deranged Obama-Bot who definitely needs a reboot. I don't hate Electric Cars, i hate Corporate Welfare. So just reboot, and then get back to me.

 

[Synthaholic]

Yep. Neither does GE. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

If most people drove electric cars we would eliminate most of our air pollution, green house gases, and we could be energy independent. However, an electric car, such as the Volt has serious drawback, a limited range on battery, lack of a developed network of charging stations, and a higher price than competing gas models. I think a subsidy which decreases yearly like we did with hybrids is proper. It helps put more of these cars on the road which is good for the country.

Yeah, never mind that nobody wants them...

Bullshit. I would love one, and may buy a Leaf. In most towns in America, you coulc commute to work and back every day and not buy a drop of gas. This would also be great for the dickheads who insist on owning those Fuck You-Mobiles, like Suburbans and Tahoes, because gas prices would lower dramatically.

 

[francoHFW]

You're a hateful Bigot who supports Corporate Welfare. Shame on you.

The only people against the Volt are brainwashed dittoheads. I hate lies...period.Corporate welfare my azz. I guess you're just for subsidizing Big Oil by bought off Pub cronies, not future industries competing with the highly subsidized rest of the world. A) Corrupt, and B) STUPID.

You're a deranged Obama-Bot who definitely needs a reboot. I don't hate Electric Cars, i hate Corporate Welfare. So just reboot, and then get back to me.

Can you read, or do you only understand radio? LOL! Everyone expert thinks the Volt is a great new kind of car, but brainwashed dittoheads think only in Rushspeak. Change the channel.