Child Separation "Issue" Is Democrat Scam

[protectionist]

I'm going to stop you before I even read the rest of this shit.

Obama did NOT separate children from their families, and he did not concentrate thousands of people in camps.

He did deport a record number of people, something you guys deny that he did until Trump's inhumanity started to be realized.

FALSE, FALSE, and FALSE. Obama separated adults and kids in all law enforcement. Immigration, and many other crimes. So did Bush, Clinton, Reagan, carter, Nixon, Eisenhower, FDR, Wilson, Lincoln, Polk, Jackson, Jefferson, Adams, and Washington.

No govt official has ever allowed kids of jailed parents to go to jail with them. All this mouthing off against Trump is just SCAM talk propaganda.

Also, 5/6 of migrants are not parents of the kids they're bringing. These are traffickers, and keeping them together with the kids they bring with them, is facilitating child trafficking. Looks like a lot of the loudmouths protesting and mouthing off, aren't too aware of what they're talking about.

Lastly, Obama deported almost NOBODY. His Catch & Release policy allowed illegals to go free, and just re-enter the American landscape, but he counted all the meaningless summonses he issued to them as a deportation. In short, a JOKE.

Amid Mounting Criticism, Administration Digs In Over Migrant Separation Policy

 

[protectionist]

And wait ten years to maybe get in?

When there are people in your home country trying to kill you NOW?

Hey, let's try that for you gun nuts. If you are all real scared, pay us $7000 for a gun permit,and might let you have one in 10 years.

Yeah, that'll work.

The difference is the "gun nuts" as you call them, are AMERICANS. The illegal aliens are foreigners. The job of the POTUS is to protect the AMERICAN people, not the people of the world.

 

[WEATHER53]

Sorry about your lost investment in having people traffic you to illegal entry into USA

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is Trump's failed, moronic policy; he alone is responsible.

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/07/06/15-56434.pdf

"Appeal from the United States District Court for the Central District of California Dolly M. Gee, District Judge, Presiding Argued and Submitted June 7, 2016 Pasadena, California Filed July 6, 2016

In 1997, the plaintiff class (“Flores”) and the government entered into a settlement agreement (the “Settlement”) which “sets out nationwide policy for the detention, release, and treatment of minors in the custody of the INS.” Settlement ¶ 9. The Settlement creates a presumption in favor of releasing minors and requires placement of those not released in licensed, non-secure facilities that meet certain standards. In 2014, in response to a surge of Central Americans attempting to enter the United States without documentation, the government opened family detention centers in Texas and New Mexico. The detention and release policies at these centers do not comply with the Settlement. The government, however, claims that the Settlement only applies to unaccompanied minors and is not violated when minors accompanied by parents or other adult family members are placed in these centers.

Although the issues underlying this appeal touch on matters of national importance, our task is straightforward— we must interpret the Settlement. Applying familiar principles of contract interpretation, we conclude that the Settlement unambiguously applies both to accompanied and unaccompanied minors, but does not create affirmative release rights for parents. We therefore affirm the district court in part, reverse in part, and remand."

Excuse me, WHOSE policy is this?

Simple.....all other administrations charged any one crossing the border illegally was charged with a "civil" crime....Adolph trump has decided to charge them all....including asylum seekers "criminally". This gives the Great Leader an excuse to separate the children from parents.....simply put....the Bastard has a hot place reserved for him in Hell....scum....

Bullshit. Complete, utter, reeking bullshit.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Are the Democrats immoral for using children as propaganda pawns?

Are the Republicans immoral for using children as political pawns?

Are YOU?

YES!!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Obviously, we need to cut through the rhetorical bullshit one more time.

1) The rules about detaining children HAVE NOT changed. Trump IS NOT doing anything new in regards to detaining children. The government has been required to release children from detention within 20 days ever since the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals extended the Flores Consent Decree (aka the Flores Settlement) to include accompanied minors in 2016. What Trump has changed is how we deal with adults. Where Obama used the Flores Settlement and the accompanying Ninth Circuit ruling as an excuse to give adults a free pass if they could claim to be part of a family unit, Trump is insisting on treating those adults like the criminals they are.

2) Separation of children from adults happens only in three cases: if the adult is not the child's parent, if the adult is a threat to the child, or if the adult is put into criminal proceedings. In other words, the exact same circumstances under which a child would be taken from an adult even among our own citizenry.

3) When an illegal is prosecuted, he is taken into custody by the US Marshals. The US Marshals do not, EVER, take care of the children of people they take into custody, no matter who that person is or what they're being arrested for. Just as with anyone in this situation, the children are taken custody of by HHS, which cares for them in temporary shelters until they know whether the adult will be deported or will apply for asylum.

4) Assuming the illegal has not committed another crime, the criminal proceedings are short. Usually, the illegal pleads guilty, they are sentenced to time served, and they are returned to ICE. This typically happens in one day. At that point, the adult is reunited with the child, and the whole kit and kaboodle are deported back to where they came from. If the adult is truly concerned about being separated from the child, they can easily put an end to it.

5) The separation only becomes extended if the illegal immigrant himself chooses to make it so by applying for asylum. THAT procedure pretty much always takes longer than the government is allowed, by law, to hold the child. When that time limit is reached, the child is placed with a responsible party. Quite often, that is a relative or friend of the illegal immigrant, because illegal immigrants often have connections to people who are already in the country.

6) If the adult is held while their asylum claim is processed, it is likely to go through the system much more quickly, a couple of months as opposed to dragging on for years. If the adult is released into the population, he is highly unlikely to return for his court dates. We know this from experience.

7) There is no reason whatsoever for someone who is legitimately looking for asylum to cross the border illegally. They have only to approach a port of entry and state their desire for asylum. They are NOT arrested when they do this, and not separated from their children. The fact that border crossings dried up at the beginning of the Trump administration and only started again when rumors went around that the policy on the border had not changed indicates that the vast majority of these people are NOT refugees fleeing persecution, but simply prefer the economic benefits of being in the US.

8) In April, the New York Times reported:

Some migrants have admitted they brought their children not only to remove them from danger in such places as Central America and Africa, but because they believed it would cause the authorities to release them from custody sooner.

Others have admitted to posing falsely with children who are not their own, and Border Patrol officials say that such instances of fraud are increasing.

"It is common to have parents entrust their children to a smuggler as a favor or for profit.” - azcentral.com

But since our policies have favored family units over single adults, we have created an incentive to put children in peril. How can anyone who claims to care about the well-being of these children advocate policies which encourage their endangerment?

9) Congress has the power to change all of this by one simple vote. They can pass a law overruling the Flores Settlement; they can pass a law mandating family detention, and providing funding to make it possible. So why is it that the only bill that has been introduced in Congress to address this situation has come from the Republicans, who are being vilified, and the Democrats are too busy grandstanding for the media to propose anything at all?

 

[dudmuck]

 

[HaShev]

Maybe you need to follow what Jesus said. You will be greeting the devil when you die.

Jesus was a compiled character created from historical failed revolter figures, mythological figures, and plagiarized Biblical figures. His image was created by Rome's propaganda and was used to demonize the Jewish elect in order to subvert their opponent to their tax and control. Jesus=fake news/propaganda-sound familiar?

 

[WEATHER53]

So this is rapidly turning into fake news and false outrage?

 

[protectionist]

Simple.....all other administrations charged any one crossing the border illegally was charged with a "civil" crime....Adolph trump has decided to charge them all....including asylum seekers "criminally". This gives the Great Leader an excuse to separate the children from parents.....simply put....the Bastard has a hot place reserved for him in Hell....scum....

Yes, those other administrations (Bush, Clinton, Obama) were NEGLIGENT in their # 1 duty >> PROTECTING the American people. Like Trump,they should have been charging all violators of US Code 8 Section 1325 (Entering without inspection) with the CRIME that it is.

That makes Trump a HERO, not a villain. The villains are the past presidents who are guilty of dereliction of duty.

 

[JBond]

Child separation?

I say to those idiotic selfish parents....do not use your children as pawns.....do not brake the law with them ....don't do it

don't be idiots.... you selfish creatures you scum and more....go back to your lands.

Almost hit agree. What would you do if you had everything on the line. Wife, kids. I would do anything. I would learn about the United States legal immigration system. I would learn about options. Free schools? Wow! How about health care? I want to go to this magical land.

Not to mention the bigotry in your last line.

Yes, but would you consider the United States obligated to let you get away with it? Would you consider them to be "bad" or "at fault" if they caught you doing it and arrested you?

Thanks for the reply. No to your first question. The taxpayers are on the hook for the additional costs, either way.

 

[Billo_Really]

It really does appear that Democrats are using the separations of illegal alien parents (some are not parents) from illegal alien children, as a political tool. When have American children ever accompanied their parents/guardians into jails ? When Americans are sent to jail, they go alone, not with their kids. It's been this way for hundreds of years, but have we heard an outcry from Democrats over that ?

No. We have not. It is only now, with illegal aliens, that Democrats are suddenly upset about separation of parent and child. So what about all the American kids, whose parents got locked up ? What are they ? Chopped liver ? They don't count ?

Actually, to Democrats, no they don't count. And maybe "count" is just the right word, since VOTE counts are what this is all about. Democrats want illegal aliens in the US, as VOTES for THEM. American kids and their jailed parents, aren't seen that way.

Seeking asylum is not a crime, asshole.

 

[HaShev]

So this is rapidly turning into fake news and false outrage?

No, concern is real from both sides, mostly raised by fake news that pushes it's narrative through missleading and missing info that changes perspectives.
Context is essential.
like that Walmart facility had only 70 kids [10%] seperated children(rest 90% came unescorted or with non related(thus sex traffickers, fake news wants you to assume all 100% are seperated and ignore the sex trafficker part.
MSM also fails to mention it's for 20 days top, many times under 20 days.
The fencing are cheap walls in a wharehouse and of course you
can't let illegals just leave to be forced into crime to survive since jobs require legal status. MSM narrative can't tell the full story. Notice they fail to show what they are teaching the kids? Motivational classes to empower them when they return or gain entrance.

 

[buttercup]

Maybe you need to follow what Jesus said. You will be greeting the devil when you die.

Jesus was a compiled character created from historical failed revolter figures, mythological figures, and plagiarized Biblical figures. His image was created by Rome's propaganda and was used to demonize the Jewish elect in order to subvert their opponent to their tax and control. Jesus=fake news/propaganda-sound familiar?

 

[JBond]

A hard and fast rule to rip kids from their parents is just us being assholes for the sake of being assholes.

Plus..it's just not nice. What is wrong with being nice?

If what you say is true (and it would certainly be an historic first if it was), why were LEFTISTS "assholes for the sake of being assholes" by screaming and demanding the law in the first place? YOU tell US "what is wrong with being nice", since it was THE LEFT who's responsible for this.

The law was put in place in 2008, before Obama as President is my understanding, for child trafficking, and primarily men that cross the border with children, that are clearly not their children.... it was not put in place to separate young mothers with young children seeking refugee status...they were released during their waiting period for refugee status hearings.

The devil is in the details. How are they vetted? I want to understand why Democrats are so vested in increasing the number of low and no-skill labor to compete against their union base.

 

[JBond]

The kids are being terrorized. Being separated from their parents is something neither Bush or Obama did. Liars like you are the same type of people who brought Hitler to power. You think putting children in a tent city in Texas is humane. You are a sick individual. You really think that you can replace a parent.

FALSE! Illegal alien kids were not only separated from their parents, during the Obama years, but they were put (In violation of Flores vs Reno - 1997) into harsh living conditions. Trump, on the other hand, has been complying with the 1997 law, and has the kids in facilities that lots of kids wouldn't mind going into (quite nice), as shown in Post # 231.

"Terrorized" - now there's a SCAM word if there ever was one.

FALSE! They were not separated during the Obama years. The fact is that the Obama Administration was clearly taken aback by unaccompanied minors and it took time for them to sort it out. Trump and Sessions are the ones responsible for separating children from their parents. They have made a conscious decision to do so and it has nothing to do with the 1997 law. Laura Bush has called it out as has Melania. Franklin Graham has called it disgusting as has Anthony Scaramucci who has remained a Trump supporter despite being fired by the guy. Jim Lankford from Oklahoma and William Hurd from Texas are calling on Trump to reverse the decision.

What do you call a child who is screaming for their mother. You are the who is using SCAM words

Clearly taken aback? Moron. They had months of warnings. Obama failed again.

 

[candycorn]

Right now, the Democrats seem vested in trying to alleviate the humanitarian crisis at the border.

 

[Thinker101]

The kids are being terrorized. Being separated from their parents is something neither Bush or Obama did. Liars like you are the same type of people who brought Hitler to power. You think putting children in a tent city in Texas is humane. You are a sick individual. You really think that you can replace a parent.

FALSE! Illegal alien kids were not only separated from their parents, during the Obama years, but they were put (In violation of Flores vs Reno - 1997) into harsh living conditions. Trump, on the other hand, has been complying with the 1997 law, and has the kids in facilities that lots of kids wouldn't mind going into (quite nice), as shown in Post # 231.

"Terrorized" - now there's a SCAM word if there ever was one.

FALSE! They were not separated during the Obama years. The fact is that the Obama Administration was clearly taken aback by unaccompanied minors and it took time for them to sort it out. Trump and Sessions are the ones responsible for separating children from their parents. They have made a conscious decision to do so and it has nothing to do with the 1997 law. Laura Bush has called it out as has Melania. Franklin Graham has called it disgusting as has Anthony Scaramucci who has remained a Trump supporter despite being fired by the guy. Jim Lankford from Oklahoma and William Hurd from Texas are calling on Trump to reverse the decision.

What do you call a child who is screaming for their mother. You are the who is using SCAM words

Yup, sure....
obama dumped illegals - Bing video

 

[HaShev]

Seeking asylum is not a crime, asshole.

And asylum seekers have to register at entrance points for court cases in front of judges, no Asylum seeker has been seperated, it's those who broke that rule and snuck in entered avoiding the process=illegal entrance. Furthermore people have abused that asylum loophole and you should be outraged by that abuse and the Dems who's laws opened up that loophole and who have been "obstructing" voting to change laws and fix the system.
Voting in unison for obstructive resistance does not help the country or the immigrants. Learn to place blame where it deserves to be not where propagandist narrative lead you to be played.

 

[Billo_Really]

And asylum seekers have to register at entrance points for court cases in front of judges, no Asylum seeker has been seperated, it's those who broke that rule and snuck in entered avoiding the process=illegal entrance. Furthermore people have abused that asylum loophole and you should be outraged by that abuse and the Dems who's laws opened up that loophole and who have been "obstructing" voting to change laws and fix the system.
Voting in unison for obstructive resistance does not help the country or the immigrants. Learn to place blame where it deserves to be not where propagandist narrative lead you to be played.

Bullshit. You got ICE agents closing the legal crossing points where you would ask for asylum, then saying you try to come in anywhere else and we will arrest you. It is a deliberate catch 22 policy which is just fucked. And the people that support this bullshit are inhuman pieces of shit that make up only 10% of the country. The people that support this policy have nothing to do with American values.