China tells Russia it will uphold 'impartial' position on Ukraine

[Donald H]

What are the talks about?

A pertinent question that on second thought, I should have asked myself!

 

[toomuchtime_]

I understand that China and Russia are solid, and the reason why.
And I understand China's reasons for appearing to be an impartial party to negotiations. China needs to maintain their position as the mediator in negotiations.

Are you still thinking that China will someday nuke Russia? You can't get away with that kind of joke my friend!

Wan Yi told Lavrov China will maintain its independence of be objective about peace, which if you understood it correctly was a rebuke to Lavrov who was asking for support and told the rest of the world it will no longer support Russia's claims to parts of Ukraine by supporting the consensus of the conference that Ukraine's territorial integrity must be restored. Keep in mind that Russia is just a source of cheap oil to China and in every other way is a liability.

I never suggested China would nuke Russia. I asked if Russia would now threaten to nuke China since the only response Putin or you seems capable of making to bad new is to threaten to nuke someone.

 

[AZrailwhale]

In actual fact, Russia is willing to withdraw from the Ukraine, but unfortunately for the Ukraine, the parts that have been declared to be Russia are not included.

And Russia is imposing conditions of neutrality on the Ukraine.

You mean the parts RUSSIA has declared to be Russian. Russia is losing, the loser doesn't get to demand conditions from the winner.

 

[toomuchtime_]

What are the talks about?

Forming a consensus among the nations that want of be part of the civilized world on what a peace agreement must contain. In practical terms, the attendees discussed Zelensky's 10-point peace plan.

 

[Donald H]

You mean the parts RUSSIA has declared to be Russian.

Yes, that's what I mean.

Russia is losing, the loser doesn't get to demand conditions from the winner.

Yes, I agree that the loser doesn't get to demand anything. There's no point in debating which side is losing.

 

[Silver Cat]

Really? They said nothing about the exact borders in which said integrity must be restored as well, as they said nothing about the very existence of Ukraine and Kievan regime.
What is even more important, the Russians didn't say that they care what exactly the USA, NATO, BRICS or whoever else say.

 

[Silver Cat]

It does. It further isolates Russia and consolidates and expands support for Ukraine. It further shows that the world rejects Putin's narrative of why he invaded Ukraine and shows clearly even the BRICS consider Putin's Russia to be an enemy of civilization.

And, the Russians don't care about the world. As they say - "We don't need the world without Russia".

 

[Donald H]

Forming a consensus among the nations that want of be part of the civilized world on what a peace agreement must contain. In practical terms, the attendees discussed Zelensky's 10-point peace plan.

Yes, apparently they did.

This has become pointless with you trying to spin it in favour of America's demands. We'll have to wait until September for something new to talk about.

By then the Ukraine may have made advances that will give it a negotiating position at the table.

 

[Donald H]

Really? They said nothing about the exact borders in which said integrity must be restored as well, as they said nothing about the very existence of Ukraine and Kievan regime.
What is even more important, the Russians didn't say that they care what exactly the USA, NATO, BRICS or whoever else say.

Russia cares a lot about what the Brics and China says.

 

[Silver Cat]

You mean the parts RUSSIA has declared to be Russian. Russia is losing, the loser doesn't get to demand conditions from the winner.

Russia isn't losing in any meaningful sense. Russia is just warming up.

 

[marvin martian]

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi told his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in a phone conversation on Monday that China would uphold an independent and impartial position on Ukraine as it strives to find a political settlement to the issue.

Wang's comments to Lavrov were announced in a Foreign Ministry statement on Monday that said China would be an "objective and rational voice" at any international multilateral forums and "actively promote peace talks".

The statement came after the ministry said earlier on Monday that international talks in Saudi Arabia at the weekend on finding a peaceful resolution to the Ukraine crisis had helped "to consolidate international consensus".

More than 40 countries, including China, India, the United States and European countries, but not Russia, took part in the Jeddah talks that ended on Sunday.

China sent its Special Envoy for Eurasian Affairs and former ambassador to Russia, Li Hui, who in May toured six European capitals to try to find common ground for an eventual political settlement of the conflict, now in its 18th month.

Beijing has refused to condemn Moscow for the invasion of Ukraine it launched in February 2022. It has offered its own peace plan, which received a lukewarm response in both Russia and Ukraine, while the United States and NATO were sceptical.

MSN

How long before Russia threatens to nuke China, too?

This is Sergei Lavrov, by the way (fondling Jen Psaki while she's wearing her "Make the USSR Great Again" hat):

 

[Silver Cat]

Russia cares a lot about what the Brics and China says.

Who said that? The Russians?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Russia was forced to end the grain deal on account of the abuse of the deal by the Ukraine. There was no way Russia could escape Africa's objections.

Russia will have to leave the remainder of the Ukraine for peace to be possible. But what is being referred to as the Ukraine? Does that include the Crimea and the Donbass? Somebody on the optimistic side needs to ask China directly. Then be refused a direct answer on account of negotiations being more important than an answer.

China's priorities on the new silk road are well known. The point you may be missing is that America's demands being fulfilled, are a roadblock to China's priorities. That's one of the more important reasons why America started the war! Both are not possible.

Let's cut to the chase with you admitting that you're trying to suggest that China has abandoned Russia's resolve on not caving to US/Nato demands.

That's what this is really all about for you, but it's not a realistic analysis.

Don't stop trying to make your case.

China never endorsed Putin's imperialistic ambitions and if Putin had told Xi he was about to invade Ukraine, there likely would have been no "partnership" agreement.

Russia contributes nothing to China's problems with the West and is definite liability to China in dealing with the nations China wants to expand trade with.

 

[Donald H]

And, the Russians don't care about the world. As they say - "We don't need the world without Russia".

That's a key point. Russia is proving to be immune to sanctions, and is even showing gains in spite of.

 

[Silver Cat]

China never endorsed Putin's imperialistic ambitions and if Putin had told Xi he was about to invade Ukraine, there likely would have been no "partnership" agreement.

Russia contributes nothing to China's problems with the West and is definite liability to China in dealing with the nations China wants to expand trade with.

It's a dangerous illusion.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yes, apparently they did.

This has become pointless with you trying to spin it in favour of America's demands. We'll have to wait until September for something new to talk about.

By then the Ukraine may have made advances that will give it a negotiating position at the table.

What table? Russia wasn't invited because no one wants to hear Putin's lies anymore. If the time comes when Russia is ready to meet the world's demand it withdraw from Ukraine, then it will be time to negotiate terms.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It's a dangerous illusion.

John McCain once described Russia as a gas station masquerading as a country, and that's all it is to China today.

 

[Donald H]

What table? Russia wasn't invited because no one wants to hear Putin's lies anymore. If the time comes when Russia is ready to meet the world's demand it withdraw from Ukraine, then it will be time to negotiate terms.

I think you have to be suggesting that Russia won't take it to the nuclear war level, instead of submitting to losing the war and all that entails.
There's always a possibility that you could be right.

 

[Silver Cat]

John McCain once described Russia as a gas station masquerading as a country, and that's all it is to China today.

He was wrong.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I think you have to be suggesting that Russia won't take it to the nuclear war level, instead of submitting to losing the war and all that entails.
There's always a possibility that you could be right.

Judging by the world's reactions to Russian nuclear threats, it is clear hardly anyone is taking them seriously. I doubt that even you do.