China to provide military aid to Russia

[Ringo]

But virtually nothing else

So you think аmerican firms' trade with Hitler's Germany for most of the war through third countries. doesn't count?

 

[Mac-7]

So you think аmerican firms' trade with Hitler's Germany for most of the war through third countries. doesn't count?

I know that Ford Germany and GM Opel served the NAZI’s during the war

But I dont lnow how much choice they had - if any

Thats the bitter taste of globalism

 

[Esdraelon]

Yes it is and we need to avoid getting in all these global conflicts because they usually don't end well.

If that war ended today, it will still have negative consequences downstream. Russia is showing the world how to realign alliances to combat modern economic sanctions. We are watching a new global order arising right now. Biden's handlers reaction? To totally open our borders, piss off our allies, and cause our enemies to join alliances with each other. And let's not forget their intentional destruction of the petrodollar. When this nation collapses into widespread violence, never forget that it could never have happened if the "media" hadn't coordinated it.

 

[Ringo]

I know that Ford Germany and GM Opel served the NAZI’s during the war
But I dont lnow how much choice they had - if any

Oh no, ma сheriе, we are talking about american campaigns, on аmerican soil, selling war materials, through third countries (Portugal, Latin American countries, for example) to Hitler's Germany up to the D day.

 

[Mac-7]

Oh no, ma сheriе, we are talking about american campaigns, on аmerican soil, selling war materials, through third countries (Portugal, Latin American countries, for example) to Hitler's Germany up to the D day.

Do you have any reference for that?

 

[Mac-7]

Oh no, ma сheriе, we are talking about american campaigns, on аmerican soil, selling war materials, through third countries (Portugal, Latin American countries, for example) to Hitler's Germany up to the D day.

Ok, I did some research and the collaboration of US companies after Pearl Harbor was virtually nil

But even so, why do you think what happened in WWII gives china a green light today?

We should not be trading with our enemy

 

[Kruska]

I dont agree

The Axis was our enemy and so is china under the CCP

Maybe reading up a book or two about WW2 - might enlighten you or at least help to refresh your memory.

The Axis only became a war enemy due to Imperial Japan having attacked the USA
NAZI Germany and Fascist Italy had only become a war enemy due to having declared war onto the USA (in conjunction with the Imperial Japanese attack)

Why did NAZI Germany and Facist Italy declare war onto the USA? because parts of the US industry and government had supported with huge quantities their respective enemies in the previous 3 years.

Why is China an enemy? when did they ever attack the USA or threaten the USA with war?
China is simply growing into a serious economic competitor towards the USA's economic global domination interests. And global economics automatically behold global politics.

Your burger shop is loosing customers to the new one opposite the road, mostly due to his agressive marketing and far cheaper offers- so you are going to get your gun (which you claim to have purchased for self-defense purposes only) and threaten to shoot him? or instigate another burger shop owner to do it for you? BTW it was you and your business-partners who gave your arising competitor the initial know-how and hardware - whilst bragging about making good businees with the dummy.

 

[Mac-7]

Maybe reading up a book or two about WW2 - might enlighten you or at least help to refresh your memory.

The Axis only became a war enemy due to Imperial Japan having attacked the USA
NAZI Germany and Fascist Italy had only become a war enemy due to having declared war onto the USA (in conjunction with the Imperial Japanese attack)

Why did NAZI Germany and Facist Italy declare war onto the USA? because parts of the US industry and government had supported with huge quantities their respective enemies in the previous 3 years.

Why is China an enemy? when did they ever attack the USA or threaten the USA with war?
China is simply growing into a serious economic competitor towards the USA's economic global domination interests. And global economics automatically behold global politics.

Your burger shop is loosing customers to the new one opposite the road, mostly due to his agressive marketing and far cheaper offers- so you are going to get your gun (which you claim to have purchased for self-defense purposes only) and threaten to shoot him? or instigate another burger shop owner to do it for you? BTW it was you and your business-partners who gave your arising competitor the initial know-how and hardware - whilst bragging about making good businees with the dummy.

Nazi Germary and the US were enemies long before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor

Hitler declaring war on the US merely freed Roosevelt to take more direct action than merely supplying the Brits with war material

China has been waging economic war against the US since we began unrestricted trade with them during the 1990’s

They are an aggressive expansionist dictatorship that has boasted of defeating us militarily in east Asia

 

[Mac-7]

Maybe reading up a book or two about WW2 - might enlighten you or at least help to refresh your memory.

The Axis only became a war enemy due to Imperial Japan having attacked the USA
NAZI Germany and Fascist Italy had only become a war enemy due to having declared war onto the USA (in conjunction with the Imperial Japanese attack)

Why did NAZI Germany and Facist Italy declare war onto the USA? because parts of the US industry and government had supported with huge quantities their respective enemies in the previous 3 years.

Why is China an enemy? when did they ever attack the USA or threaten the USA with war?
China is simply growing into a serious economic competitor towards the USA's economic global domination interests. And global economics automatically behold global politics.

Your burger shop is loosing customers to the new one opposite the road, mostly due to his agressive marketing and far cheaper offers- so you are going to get your gun (which you claim to have purchased for self-defense purposes only) and threaten to shoot him? or instigate another burger shop owner to do it for you? BTW it was you and your business-partners who gave your arising competitor the initial know-how and hardware - whilst bragging about making good businees with the dummy.

Btw: are you a russian?

 

[Kruska]

Btw: are you a russian?

BTW, are you just dumb?

 

[Mac-7]

BTW, are you just dumb?

I’m smart enough to see through you

 

[Patriot01]

I’m rooting for Russia to defeat Biden

 

[Mac-7]

I’m rooting for Russia to defeat Biden

Dont say that

 

[Patriot01]

Dont say that

I prefer a Putin controlled America, then a democrat one. Strong Christian nation, with heritage

 

[Mac-7]

I prefer a Putin controlled America, then a democrat one. Strong Christian nation, with heritage

You are talking nonsense

 

[Ringo]

Do you have any reference for that?

Charles Higham "Trading With The Enemy. An Expose Of The Nazi-American Money Plot" 1983

Charles Higham, Trading With The Enemy : An Expose Of The Nazi American Money Plot (1983) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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archive.org

 

[dudmuck]

Oh no, ma сheriе, we are talking about american campaigns, on аmerican soil, selling war materials, through third countries (Portugal, Latin American countries, for example) to Hitler's Germany up to the D day.

Ford and GM had subsidiaries in Germany, where they claim they had limited control of that. These would be private companies helping the nazis, not our country.
The same also applies to Dupont chemicals work with IG Farben.

 

[luiza]

Hitler did not come to power till 1933 and we sold no arms to the Nazi’s

The germans did buy an early design dive bomber from Curtis and studied its features

But virtually nothing else

ROFL.

The big US companies that worked directly with the Nazis were
IBM
General Motors
Ford
Alcoa
Woolworth
Brown Brothers Harriman
Dow Chemicals
Chase Manhattan Bank
Kodak
Ford even used slave labour out of Auschwitz for its German subsidiary.
FDR even prepared legislation that would have had these outfits punished for treason in 1941/2 from memory .

The long term financial aid was huge :-
The key structures of the West’s post-war strategy were the central financial institutions of the United States and Great Britain – the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve System – coupled with financial-industrial organizations, who set out to establish absolute control over the financial system in Germany to manage the politics of Central Europe. The implementation of this strategy included the following steps:

1st: 1919-1924 – Preparing the grounds for massive American financial investments in the German economy.

2nd: 1924-1929 – Establishing control over the financial system and funding the National-Socialist movement.

3rd: 1929-1933 – Inciting and unleashing a deep economic crisis ensuring the Nazis would rise to power.

4th: 1933-1939 – Financial cooperation with the Nazi government and support for its expansionist foreign policy, aimed at preparing and unleashing the new world war.

In the first stage, the major leverage for the penetration of American capital into Europe came from war debts and the closely related issue of German reparations. After the United States’ formal entry into WWI, the U.S. provided its allies (primarily England and France) with loans amounting to $8.8 billon. The total sum of war debt owed to the U.S., including loans offered between 1919 and 1921, amounted to $11 billion. To solve their own financial problems the debtor countries went after Germany, forcing it to pay an enormous sum in reparations under extremely difficult conditions. The resulting flight of German capital abroad and refusal by companies to pay their taxes resulted in such a state deficit that all the government could do is mass produce German marks without backing. The German currency collapsed as a result. During the hyperinflation of 1923, the inflation rate reached 578,512% and one dollar was worth 4.2 trillion Deutsch marks. German industrialists began to openly sabotage all attempt to pay the reparations, which eventually sparked the famous “Ruhr crisis” — a Franco-Belgian occupation of the Ruhr valley in 1923.

This is exactly what the ruling elite in Britain and American had been waiting for. Having allowed France to get bogged down in the Ruhrland adventures and showing its inability to solve the problem, they took the situation into their own hands. U.S. Secretary of State Charles Evans Hughes said, “We must wait until Europe is ripe to accept the American proposal.”

A new project was developed in the bowels of J.P. Morgan and Co. at the behest Montague Norman, head of the Bank of England. At the heart of the project were Dresdner Bank representative Hjalmar Schacht’s proposals, which had been formulated in March 1922 at the request of John Foster Dulles, future Secretary of State under Eisenhower, and legal advisor to President Woodrow Wilson at the Paris Peace Conference.

Comment: Brothers in Armchairs , John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles (CIA director 1953 – 1961)(Greatest ever two way spy who should have been executed --my comment ).



Dulles passed the proposals to the chief trustee of J.P. Morgan and Co., who then gave recommendations to Schacht, Norman and – at last – to Weimar officials. In December 1923, Schacht became the director of Reichbank and played an instrumental role in bringing together the Anglo-American and German financial circles.

In the summer of 1924, the project, known as the “Dawes Plan” (named after an Charles G. Dawes, the American director of one of Morgan’s banks, who chaired the committee of experts who preparing the proposals) was adopted at the London Conference. He called for halving the reparations to be paid, and also settled how Germany would pay them off. However, the primary goal was to provide favorable conditions for U.S. investment, which could only be made possible by stabilizing the German mark.

To that end, Germany was granted $200 million in loans, half of which were provided by Morgan’s banks. In doing so, Anglo-American banks established control over not only Germany’s payments, but also its budget, monetary system and, to a large extent, its credit system. By August 1924, the old German mark had been made anew, the financial situation in Germany stabilized, and, as researcher G.D. Preparta wrote, the Weimar Republic was prepared for “the most striking economic aid in history, followed by the most bitter harvest in world history. […] [T]he uncontrollable gushing of American blood flooded into Germany’s financial core.”


And so on and so on .
With JPMorgan and the Bush family ( grand daddy Prescott) in starring roles .
Piss Pants just carries on the role of traitor with Khazaria ( Ukey Land ) rather than Germany or the US now being the centre of the Fourth Reich . .

 

[Ringo]

Ford and GM had subsidiaries in Germany, where they claim they had limited control of that. These would be private companies helping the nazis, not our country.

Trading with the enemy under the laws of every federal state is, and has been, a crime against the nation. Every firm, company engaged in the dirtiest "business" of its kind risked being prosecuted at home.

The regime of imposing restrictions on trade with certain countries (whether in time of war or not) is quite common in the United States.

The legal basis for such restrictions is the Trading with the Enemy Act (TWEA) of 1917, on the basis of which the US President can issue an executive order binding on all US citizens and companies.

The term "American company" means not only the company located on U.S. territory but also all its subsidiaries and affiliates in other parts of the globe.

However, none of the American monopolies that conducted transactions with the Nazis during the war has never been brought to justice. And the list of such collaborators includes the most notorious names.

 

[Kruska]

Ford and GM had subsidiaries in Germany, where they claim they had limited control of that. These would be private companies helping the nazis, not our country.
The same also applies to Dupont chemicals work with IG Farben.

Yes and no, my grandfather was later even on the Board of Directors of IG Farben. There were US based American companies (can't remember the name right now) that had been contracted to build submarines for NAZI Germany, same goes for aircraft engines and similar equipment. Even in those day's a US company needed government approval to sign such deals. AFAIK those deals only were halted in 1940 or 1941.

One can say in general, that the US industry and the US government were heavily involved towards participating during NAZI Germany's economic rise. The German industry owners weren't the only ones betting onto a huge re-militarization effort by the NAZI's. As such the political and repressive NAZI policy in Germany didn't really matter to the US government or US companies. Only the outbreak of the war caused a change in diverting US production capacity from a then rather small German market outlook (profit) to an existing huge UK and Russia market.

Hitler's personal admiration for the anti-Semitism of Henry Ford were known.

e.g. quite interesting - especially the suing part of Ford and GM towards the US government after the war, for Allied bombing damages onto it's German plants !!!

Ford & the Nazi War Efforts | corpwatch

The Ford Motor Company's commercial-free sponsorship of NBC's airing of "Schindler's List," the epic movie about the Holocaust, was a class act. Nevertheless, it would be remiss of us here at CorpWatch, not to point out Ford's contribution to Nazi war efforts.

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After the cessation of hostilities, GM and Ford demanded reparations from the U.S. Government for wartime damages sustained by their Axis facilities as a result of Allied bombing... Ford received a little less than $1 million, primarily as a result of damages sustained by its military truck complex at Cologne...
The outbreak of war in September 1939 resulted inevitably in the full conversion by GM and Ford of their Axis plants to the production of military aircraft and trucks.... On the ground, GM and Ford subsidiaries built nearly 90 percent of the armored "mule" 3-ton half-trucks and more than 70 percent of the Reich's medium and heavy-duty trucks. These vehicles, according to American intelligence reports, served as "the backbone of the German Army transportation system."....

GM's plants in Germany built thousands of bomber and jet fighter propulsion systems for the Luftwaffe at the same time that its American plants produced aircraft engines for the U.S. Army Air Corps....