Christian friends of gays and lesbians

[CurveLight]

Where does it say they were naked, at the same time, in the same place? Where does it say they had homosexual sex? Where does the Lord praise homosexual acts?

In the instances where two people had sex, there is clear reference: he knew his wife, or he had relations with her, etc. You, again, are being deceitful. You make strong statements, I ask you to back it up, and you go totally limp?????
Where is your evidence? Your three phases are from three different chapters and are out of context. If the Lord was sooo pleased with Johnathan, why did he die a short while after his betrayal to the king? Doesn't the Lord promise his favorites to have descendents as numerous as the stars in the sky or the sand on the beach?

Third time: give the written examples (chapter and verse) of where the Lord praises homosexual acts.

The issue of homosexuality is not nearly as cut and dry as you want people to believe. You accuse me of being "deceitful" while you try to claim homosexuality was a central issue in the destruction of S+G. As for John and David, you have to be kidding. You cannot seriously read the relevent texts and conclude they were simply good buddies. You tried to dismiss their kissing as a "middle eastern custom" until I pointed out the ME did not exist until several centuries after they made their own historic brokeback mountain.

Let me get this straight:
when I say that "lewd, perverse, or immoral behavior" includes homosexual acts, you tell me that it didn't say "homosexual", so that doesn't count (even though the apostles went into greater detail on this, and called it sinful)
when I say the destruction of "S+G" was about "sin", you tell me I said it was about homosexuality, and go on to say it had nothing to do with homosexuality

when you say there is nothing about homosexuals in "S+G" and I ask you how men demanding male visitors from Lot to 'know' (engage in sex) can be anything, but, homosexual, you tell me that there were women there too.

when I ask you where it says that (after receiving so tongue lashing from you), you want me to "interpret" the Bible

when I ask you to show 'specifically' where it demonstrates David and Jonathan had homosexual sex, again you tell me that I must 'interpret' the Bible

So, where my examples are very clear to the point that only one 'coveting homosexuality' (like a marijaunna smoker defends the drug) would not agree they demonstrated the Bible refers to homosexuality as 'sin', your examples are words that are chapters apart and re-arranged to twist the meaning of the story.

As for the middle east: it was there in Biblical times, the traditions, the methods of survival were very similar as they are today, throughout most of the middle east (with the exception of cities). Because the names were different, doesn't mean it didn't exist. This is another example of your siezing the most insignificant points to try and give yourself some credibility.

If you want to be credible, back up your statements:
give the chapter and verse of where the Lord praises homosexual acts
give the chapter and verse that says David and Johnathan had 'relations, knew each other, begat, used each, etc'.
I would even be impressed if you could:
give the chapter and verse where the Lord declares homosexual acts not sinful

If you want to tell me it is hidden again, then give me the secret code that lets homosexual activists "know" that is what the story is about, and what is hidden and what isn't.

Otherwise, it appears you are twisting facts and making your own version of history.

You're a dishonest fuckwad. You clearly tried to blame homosexuality for S+G and when it's shown why that is bullshit you go on a red herring marathon. What a waste.

 

[CurveLight]

My sins are 'as' grave or 'worse' than any you have committed. The Lord feels each sin, it does not matter the order. Each 'sin' is a sin.

I am not asking anyone, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN THE LORD, to declare that my 'sin' is not a sin (give me their blessing to continue sinning).

That is the problem Christians have with LGBT activists: they have no authority to forgive sins, they have no authority to declare something different from the Lord, yet they do on a regular basis. They want the entire Christian population to "support" their sin (which would make those that did, equally, accountable to the Lord).

Rather than accept that they are "choosing" to sin, they work on silencing those that see their actions with clear eyes. They use the educational and judicial systems to 'corrupt' society without looking into the future to see the results.

How do you define us wanting you to "support" our "sin"?

By letting us live? By letting us walk around free? By letting us have equal rights?

Do you have a different set of laws than I do?
There is no movement afoot to kill homosexuals in this country (Christians would want you to live long enough to find the Lord's grace and be forgiven so you could help the rest of us get to heaven thru your prayers).
There is no movement to stop homosexuals from going anywhere the public goes. The military is a different story (and if the Wiiki link guy is an example, it will be even harder for homosexuals to 'prove' their 'military integrity')
Your 'Bill of Rights' is my 'Bill of Rights'. You can marry a person of the opposite sex if you meet the qualifications: you are not currently married, the other person agrees to marry you, etc.

Homosexual activists have decided 'the same' isn't good enough. They want a special status (like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum). IF, the homosexual activists are appeased, what wacko group will be appeased next: beastiality groups, polygamous groups, people that want to marry their sibings, etc?

It will set a precedent that if you whine, you will get your way, no matter what it costs.

If I tell you that your sin is not a sin, or 'let you' use a radical minority to corrupt children into thinking that homosexuality is not a sin and breaks none of the Commandments, then I am supporting your lifestyle. If my tax dollars are used to pay for one patient that knowingly participated in homosexual acts and got aids, then I am supporting your lifestyle. If my tax dollars go to give homosexuals a special status, then I am supporting their sin.
Our president and the mayor are declaring the mosque in NYC about 'practicing' their religion (BTW those people believe in killing homosexuals). If they are supporting that, why are they so against Christians 'practicing' theirs?

The State giving a lot of laws and Rights to one couple that is denied to another couple based purely on gender is discrimination so your claim the laws are "equal" is pure bullshit and if your dumbass knew anything about being an American you would no religion is not a legitimate source to try and justify your bigotry.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Christians think homosexuality is wrong, immoral and sinful. That doesn't seem real friendly to me.

Sky, assuming all Christians think this is a bit close minded and judgemental, wouldn't you say?

Some of the nasty so called "Christians" that call gays names like Devients and such don't speak for many of us. And I'm betting a lot of them have skeletons in their closets that would shock a nun!

Did I say all Christians? I didn't mean to. If you don't think that homosexuality is immoral, wrong and sinful then how do you reconcile that with your Christianity?

Good question - this very question is on my list of reasons to consider The Bible as no more or less relevant than any other written work of men with political agendas.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Sky, assuming all Christians think this is a bit close minded and judgemental, wouldn't you say?

Some of the nasty so called "Christians" that call gays names like Devients and such don't speak for many of us. And I'm betting a lot of them have skeletons in their closets that would shock a nun!

Did I say all Christians? I didn't mean to. If you don't think that homosexuality is immoral, wrong and sinful then how do you reconcile that with your Christianity?

That's not my place to judge. Many of my gay friends are Christians too. A Christian is someone that has accepted Jesus as their saviour. We all sin, every day. Love is love, wouldn't you rather have a world full of loving hetros and gays living in peace, than a world of judgemental, hate filled people?

Considering The Torah, The Koran and The New Testament consistently call on followers to judge their neighbors, especially in the ways of the flesh and marriage - being a believer that any of these books is the consummate "Word of God" is going to create conflict within the mind of anyone who feels that tolerance is called for in the modern world.

The only way I could reconcile it was to give up on the idea that any man in history had a more special relationship with God than any other, and the religious books of this planet are simply stories on paper, nothing more. Free at last, free at last - thank God Almighty, I'm free at last.

 

[logical4u]

The issue of homosexuality is not nearly as cut and dry as you want people to believe. You accuse me of being "deceitful" while you try to claim homosexuality was a central issue in the destruction of S+G. As for John and David, you have to be kidding. You cannot seriously read the relevent texts and conclude they were simply good buddies. You tried to dismiss their kissing as a "middle eastern custom" until I pointed out the ME did not exist until several centuries after they made their own historic brokeback mountain.

Let me get this straight:
when I say that "lewd, perverse, or immoral behavior" includes homosexual acts, you tell me that it didn't say "homosexual", so that doesn't count (even though the apostles went into greater detail on this, and called it sinful)
when I say the destruction of "S+G" was about "sin", you tell me I said it was about homosexuality, and go on to say it had nothing to do with homosexuality

when you say there is nothing about homosexuals in "S+G" and I ask you how men demanding male visitors from Lot to 'know' (engage in sex) can be anything, but, homosexual, you tell me that there were women there too.

when I ask you where it says that (after receiving so tongue lashing from you), you want me to "interpret" the Bible

when I ask you to show 'specifically' where it demonstrates David and Jonathan had homosexual sex, again you tell me that I must 'interpret' the Bible

So, where my examples are very clear to the point that only one 'coveting homosexuality' (like a marijaunna smoker defends the drug) would not agree they demonstrated the Bible refers to homosexuality as 'sin', your examples are words that are chapters apart and re-arranged to twist the meaning of the story.

As for the middle east: it was there in Biblical times, the traditions, the methods of survival were very similar as they are today, throughout most of the middle east (with the exception of cities). Because the names were different, doesn't mean it didn't exist. This is another example of your siezing the most insignificant points to try and give yourself some credibility.

If you want to be credible, back up your statements:
give the chapter and verse of where the Lord praises homosexual acts
give the chapter and verse that says David and Johnathan had 'relations, knew each other, begat, used each, etc'.
I would even be impressed if you could:
give the chapter and verse where the Lord declares homosexual acts not sinful

If you want to tell me it is hidden again, then give me the secret code that lets homosexual activists "know" that is what the story is about, and what is hidden and what isn't.

Otherwise, it appears you are twisting facts and making your own version of history.

You're a dishonest fuckwad. You clearly tried to blame homosexuality for S+G and when it's shown why that is bullshit you go on a red herring marathon. What a waste.

How many times do I have to print in black and white for you to comprehend? I said the Lord destroyed "S+G" over sinfulness.

You are the one that denied homosexuality had "anything" to do with it. When I ask you to explain how men demanding to have sex with "male" vistitors has nothing to do with homosexuality, you ignore the question.

Who is being dishonest? I will print the Biblical passages to back up my statements. Where are your Biblical passages?

 

[logical4u]

How do you define us wanting you to "support" our "sin"?

By letting us live? By letting us walk around free? By letting us have equal rights?

Do you have a different set of laws than I do?
There is no movement afoot to kill homosexuals in this country (Christians would want you to live long enough to find the Lord's grace and be forgiven so you could help the rest of us get to heaven thru your prayers).
There is no movement to stop homosexuals from going anywhere the public goes. The military is a different story (and if the Wiiki link guy is an example, it will be even harder for homosexuals to 'prove' their 'military integrity')
Your 'Bill of Rights' is my 'Bill of Rights'. You can marry a person of the opposite sex if you meet the qualifications: you are not currently married, the other person agrees to marry you, etc.

Homosexual activists have decided 'the same' isn't good enough. They want a special status (like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum). IF, the homosexual activists are appeased, what wacko group will be appeased next: beastiality groups, polygamous groups, people that want to marry their sibings, etc?

It will set a precedent that if you whine, you will get your way, no matter what it costs.

If I tell you that your sin is not a sin, or 'let you' use a radical minority to corrupt children into thinking that homosexuality is not a sin and breaks none of the Commandments, then I am supporting your lifestyle. If my tax dollars are used to pay for one patient that knowingly participated in homosexual acts and got aids, then I am supporting your lifestyle. If my tax dollars go to give homosexuals a special status, then I am supporting their sin.
Our president and the mayor are declaring the mosque in NYC about 'practicing' their religion (BTW those people believe in killing homosexuals). If they are supporting that, why are they so against Christians 'practicing' theirs?

The State giving a lot of laws and Rights to one couple that is denied to another couple based purely on gender is discrimination so your claim the laws are "equal" is pure bullshit and if your dumbass knew anything about being an American you would no religion is not a legitimate source to try and justify your bigotry.

Based on your logic, anyone or anything that is part of a couple should be treated as a married couple that can (for 90%+ of cases), produce children that will grow up to support society? So if 'a couple' of co-workers want to beat the system, the government should back them? If 'a couple' of children want to collect welfare, the government should support them? A person wants to be 'a couple' with an animal and give the animal health insurance, the government should back them?

I asked you to back up your statements. You did not. Either you are speaking falsely, or you are unwilling to list your 'evidence'. Which is it?

 

[bodecea]

Do you have a different set of laws than I do?
There is no movement afoot to kill homosexuals in this country (Christians would want you to live long enough to find the Lord's grace and be forgiven so you could help the rest of us get to heaven thru your prayers).
There is no movement to stop homosexuals from going anywhere the public goes. The military is a different story (and if the Wiiki link guy is an example, it will be even harder for homosexuals to 'prove' their 'military integrity')
Your 'Bill of Rights' is my 'Bill of Rights'. You can marry a person of the opposite sex if you meet the qualifications: you are not currently married, the other person agrees to marry you, etc.

Homosexual activists have decided 'the same' isn't good enough. They want a special status (like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum). IF, the homosexual activists are appeased, what wacko group will be appeased next: beastiality groups, polygamous groups, people that want to marry their sibings, etc?

It will set a precedent that if you whine, you will get your way, no matter what it costs.

If I tell you that your sin is not a sin, or 'let you' use a radical minority to corrupt children into thinking that homosexuality is not a sin and breaks none of the Commandments, then I am supporting your lifestyle. If my tax dollars are used to pay for one patient that knowingly participated in homosexual acts and got aids, then I am supporting your lifestyle. If my tax dollars go to give homosexuals a special status, then I am supporting their sin.
Our president and the mayor are declaring the mosque in NYC about 'practicing' their religion (BTW those people believe in killing homosexuals). If they are supporting that, why are they so against Christians 'practicing' theirs?

The State giving a lot of laws and Rights to one couple that is denied to another couple based purely on gender is discrimination so your claim the laws are "equal" is pure bullshit and if your dumbass knew anything about being an American you would no religion is not a legitimate source to try and justify your bigotry.

Based on your logic, anyone or anything that is part of a couple should be treated as a married couple that can (for 90%+ of cases), produce children that will grow up to support society? So if 'a couple' of co-workers want to beat the system, the government should back them?

I got news for you...right now, if they are a hetero couple, that happens a lot. And yes, the government backs them. The government doesn't care what their reasons for marrying are. Convenience marriagese happen a lot....but just hetero ones (except in a few states like MA and now CA)

If 'a couple' of children want to collect welfare, the government should support them? A person wants to be 'a couple' with an animal and give the animal health insurance, the government should back them?

Ah...here comes the pedophile/animal argument....talk to me when children and animals can give legal consent in a marriage contract....ok?

I asked you to back up your statements. You did not. Either you are speaking falsely, or you are unwilling to list your 'evidence'. Which is it?

I most certainly did....not my fault when you don't want to recognize what is right in front of your nose. But...I've gotten used to the selective blindness of people like you....for example, you being selectively blind that heteros ALREADY marry for convenience reasons and have for a very, very, very long time.

 

[bodecea]

Do you have a different set of laws than I do?
There is no movement afoot to kill homosexuals in this country (Christians would want you to live long enough to find the Lord's grace and be forgiven so you could help the rest of us get to heaven thru your prayers).

At this time...thanks to secular law.



At this time...thanks to secular law.



So, you think so little of marriage that you encourage me to marry some man I have NO desire for? How successful are those kinds of marriages?




Why do you lie like that? Can't you see how obvious that lie is? We want equal rights...nothing more nor less than hetero couples have.



And....you realize that NO discriminated group in the history of civilization has gotten their freedom or their equal rights without their so-called "whining", right?



You can call it sin all you want...just like some of you call divorce sin...but how come you actively try to keep us from our equal rights while you are NOT doing the same for divorced people.....? Seems to me, you are rather selective in which sins you want to do more than "call" sins.



And our tax dollars are always paying for people whose lifestyles we disapprove of...that is called the General Welfare. Are you sure you want to go there? IF you do...you open the door for others to start picking and chosing where their tax dollars go...such as war, or roads in far away towns that no one cares about...or the rights of weirdo Christian sects.



That's no more a "special status" than my tax dollars going to pay for someone who smokes themselves to ill health or eats themselves to ill health or drinks themselves to ill health.....how come you aren't complaining about THEIR sinfulness and how you don't want to be "supporting" their sins? I know why.

Our president and the mayor are declaring the mosque in NYC about 'practicing' their religion (BTW those people believe in killing homosexuals). If they are supporting that, why are they so against Christians 'practicing' theirs?

"Those people" can no more kill homosexuals in this country than you Christians can....they only can get away with it in countries where their religion has taken over the secular government...like Iran....and Uganda.

And will you kindly show me where our President and the Mayor of NYC are against Christians 'practicing' their religion???? I really want to see evidence of that being true instead of another lie.

Please list these laws that are so different for you.

BTW, where do you think "secular" laws originate?

I did not say that you "had" to marry. That is not a right. I said if you met the qualifications you "could" marry. You are the pessimist, telling me you won't be happy.....

Are divorced people running around trying to force people not to say what they did was wrong? Most divorced people I know are emotionally crushed, and very much ashamed their marriage did not work. Most recognize they could have done better, worked harder, made a better selection in the first place. They are not telling people they are not sinning.

So you are telling me the welfare roles are not large enough? We have to include people that claim to be perfectly willing to be up-standing tax-paying citizens (the homosexual activists), and yet you want to throw them on the welfare roles?

If our taxes support the killing of unborn CHILDREN, it is against our religion. It is forcing our resources to be used against our beliefs. If Christians are being denied the right to speak under the 'hate crimes laws' (not because they are being hateful, but because homosexual activists are trying to silence all oposition), that is against our religion; it is prohibiting our freedom.

Teachers tell our children every day that the Biblical story of creation is WRONG; they have no proof, the story they use is truthful. They use man made processes to prove what man said they would be. That is against our religion.

Read John Locke....and his theories on Social Contracts. Secular laws are NOT drawn from religion, they are drawn from society coming up with contractual agreements (some good, some not so good) to protect their life, liberty, and property.

And for anyone to believe that "world was created 6000 years ago and Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden"...I've got some oceanfront property for them in AZ.

 

[Terral]

Hi Sky:

Someone please explain why you start these Homosexuality Topics in the Religion Forum???? The Apostle Paul in Romans 1 clearly says that those practicing such things are 'WORTHY OF DEATH' (Romans 1:32). Homosexuality is an abomination to the Creator!! Homosexuality is NOT a Religion and most definitely NOT an Ethic. Those engaged in 'dishonoring their bodies' (Romans 1:24) using a 'depraved mind' (Romans 1:28) are making a "Lifestyle" Choice, which is the reason all of this Homosexuality Propaganda belongs in that Health and Lifestyle Forum.

"I became a Christian very suddenly (and out of freakin' nowhere) when I was 38 years old.

At that time, I was working in the "Office Services" department of a large law firm. My sole co-worker in that department was a lesbian named Joan Finch.

To a lot of Christians, of course -- just as with a lot of people generally -- someone's being gay or lesbian can register as a Fairly Large Deal. But I had been around gays and lesbians all my life ...

Here is a News Flash for Sky Dancer and your gay buddies: MANY people call themselves Christians, when in reality they ARE NOT. All of your gay friends are heterosexual males and females (A True Homosexual Has NEVER Been Born), which means you 'professing' Christians have a lot in common with those 'exchanging the natural function for that which is unnatural' (Romans 1:26).

GL with that,

Terral

 

[bodecea]

Hi Sky:

Someone please explain why you start these Homosexuality Topics in the Religion Forum???? The Apostle Paul in Romans 1 clearly says that those practicing such things are 'WORTHY OF DEATH' (Romans 1:32). Homosexuality is an abomination to the Creator!! Homosexuality is NOT a Religion and most definitely NOT an Ethic. Those engaged in 'dishonoring their bodies' (Romans 1:24) using a 'depraved mind' (Romans 1:28) are making a "Lifestyle" Choice, which is the reason all of this Homosexuality Propaganda belongs in that Health and Lifestyle Forum.

"I became a Christian very suddenly (and out of freakin' nowhere) when I was 38 years old.

At that time, I was working in the "Office Services" department of a large law firm. My sole co-worker in that department was a lesbian named Joan Finch.

To a lot of Christians, of course -- just as with a lot of people generally -- someone's being gay or lesbian can register as a Fairly Large Deal. But I had been around gays and lesbians all my life ...

Here is a News Flash for Sky Dancer and your gay buddies: MANY people call themselves Christians, when in reality they ARE NOT. All of your gay friends are heterosexual males and females, which means you 'professing' Christians have a lot in common with those 'exchanging the natural function for that which is unnatural' (Romans 1:26).

GL with that,

Terral

So...in a legal sense, what do you suggest be done with homosexuals? Give us equal rights? Take our rights away? Lock us up? Worse?

What is your solution to the issue of Gay Equal rights?

 

[Terral]

Hi Bod:

So...in a legal sense, what do you suggest be done with homosexuals?

Nothing. Homosexuals do not reproduce naturally. They are part of 'We The People' with the same exact 'rights' as everybody else.

Give us equal rights?

You are a victim of Homosexual Propaganda, which means your head may as well be turned around backwards. Nobody 'gives' any rights to anyone!!!! Where did you get that STUPIDITY? All of our inalienable rights are given BY GOD. Period! Nobody gives heterosexual males and females any special rights! They come FROM GOD!!!! You are looking to receive 'rights' cuckoo from heterosexual males and females, when you are just like every heterosexual male and female on earth. Right? You have exactly one heterosexual male father and exactly one heterosexual female mother 'and' you are a copy of one or the other. That is what 'reproduction' is all about. The fact that you somehow require 'rights' from other heterosexual males and females tells me that Bodecea as a few screws loose.

Take our rights away? Lock us up? Worse?

You have the same right to go out and marry ANYONE of the opposite sex (with certain restrictions). Shacking up with a person of the same sex and playing house is one form of 'legal' activity. We call them roommates.

What is your solution to the issue of Gay Equal rights?

Stop being a moron cuckoo!!!! The next thing you know, people want to marry their dogs and horses and proclaim their 'rights.' If you want to lay down with a person of the same sex cuckoo, then mo-powa-2-ya. However, do not expect real God-fearing Christians to have anything to do with that nonsense and stupidity. You already have equal rights ... I cannot marry anyone of the same sex either ...

Anyone signing on with allowing Homosexuals to marry (like men and women) is worthy of the lake of fire (Rev. 21:8 = immoral persons). Period! And that goes for EVERYONE ...

GL,

Terral

 

[Intense]

"I became a Christian very suddenly (and out of freakin' nowhere) when I was 38 years old.

At that time, I was working in the "Office Services" department of a large law firm. My sole co-worker in that department was a lesbian named Joan Finch.

To a lot of Christians, of course -- just as with a lot of people generally -- someone's being gay or lesbian can register as a Fairly Large Deal. But I had been around gays and lesbians all my life, and had no schema for understanding a person's sexual orientation as having anything whatsoever to do with their moral character, or their status relative to God, or anything like that. Any such concept was foreign to me. All I knew was that some gays and lesbians were awful people, and some were noble, wise, kind people whom it was impossible not to love. Same as anyone else. People are people

."I'd had gay friends all of my life. Real friends. Best friends. As obnoxious as it is to stereotype, I think it's safe to say that generally, gays and lesbians have suffered for being gay and lesbian: just about all my gay friends, for instance, have countless stories about getting regularly beaten-up as kids by ... well, by just about everyone around them. Schoolmates. Siblings. Dads. Crosswalk guards. Dog-walkers. Whomever.

Growing up gay or lesbian in America is just a tough row to hoe, period. If you think it's not, then ... then you're just not paying attention to life.

And that gays and lesbians have generally suffered in their lives means that they are generally sensitive to the suffering of others. And generally that makes them kind, compassionate, and emotionally insightful. It makes them empathic. Which is why I have generally found gays and lesbians rewarding to hang out with.

I had my big fat conversion experience at work with Joan Finch.

A look of genuine concern came across her face.

"Oh, no," she said.

"What is it?" I said. "What's wrong?"

"Now you're going to hate me."

"What? What are you -- why in the world would I hate you?"

"Because Christians hate gays and lesbians," said Joan. She looked heartbroken. "Don't you know that?"

"They do? We do? Why?"

"Because it's in the Bible," she said. "I grew up in the church. I know. Part of the whole Christian deal is to hate gays and lesbians."

And then she turned away from me, so that I wouldn't see her fighting back her tears.

"You must be wrong about that," I implored. I put my hand on her back. "You must be."

"I'm not," she said, stepping away from me. "You wait. You'll see."
John Shore: How My Lesbian Friend Reacted to My Christian Conversion

Do Christians have gay friends?

Yes. Friends and Relatives.

 

[logical4u]

The State giving a lot of laws and Rights to one couple that is denied to another couple based purely on gender is discrimination so your claim the laws are "equal" is pure bullshit and if your dumbass knew anything about being an American you would no religion is not a legitimate source to try and justify your bigotry.

Based on your logic, anyone or anything that is part of a couple should be treated as a married couple that can (for 90%+ of cases), produce children that will grow up to support society? So if 'a couple' of co-workers want to beat the system, the government should back them?

I got news for you...right now, if they are a hetero couple, that happens a lot. And yes, the government backs them. The government doesn't care what their reasons for marrying are. Convenience marriagese happen a lot....but just hetero ones (except in a few states like MA and now CA)

If 'a couple' of children want to collect welfare, the government should support them? A person wants to be 'a couple' with an animal and give the animal health insurance, the government should back them?

Ah...here comes the pedophile/animal argument....talk to me when children and animals can give legal consent in a marriage contract....ok?

I asked you to back up your statements. You did not. Either you are speaking falsely, or you are unwilling to list your 'evidence'. Which is it?

I most certainly did....not my fault when you don't want to recognize what is right in front of your nose. But...I've gotten used to the selective blindness of people like you....for example, you being selectively blind that heteros ALREADY marry for convenience reasons and have for a very, very, very long time.

What local, state or federal laws did you list?

The giving heterosexual 'different' treatment is a completely different subject.
Homosexuals have the same "rights" that any other person in this country has.

 

[logical4u]

At this time...thanks to secular law.



At this time...thanks to secular law.



So, you think so little of marriage that you encourage me to marry some man I have NO desire for? How successful are those kinds of marriages?




Why do you lie like that? Can't you see how obvious that lie is? We want equal rights...nothing more nor less than hetero couples have.



And....you realize that NO discriminated group in the history of civilization has gotten their freedom or their equal rights without their so-called "whining", right?



You can call it sin all you want...just like some of you call divorce sin...but how come you actively try to keep us from our equal rights while you are NOT doing the same for divorced people.....? Seems to me, you are rather selective in which sins you want to do more than "call" sins.



And our tax dollars are always paying for people whose lifestyles we disapprove of...that is called the General Welfare. Are you sure you want to go there? IF you do...you open the door for others to start picking and chosing where their tax dollars go...such as war, or roads in far away towns that no one cares about...or the rights of weirdo Christian sects.



That's no more a "special status" than my tax dollars going to pay for someone who smokes themselves to ill health or eats themselves to ill health or drinks themselves to ill health.....how come you aren't complaining about THEIR sinfulness and how you don't want to be "supporting" their sins? I know why.


"Those people" can no more kill homosexuals in this country than you Christians can....they only can get away with it in countries where their religion has taken over the secular government...like Iran....and Uganda.

And will you kindly show me where our President and the Mayor of NYC are against Christians 'practicing' their religion???? I really want to see evidence of that being true instead of another lie.

Please list these laws that are so different for you.

BTW, where do you think "secular" laws originate?

I did not say that you "had" to marry. That is not a right. I said if you met the qualifications you "could" marry. You are the pessimist, telling me you won't be happy.....

Are divorced people running around trying to force people not to say what they did was wrong? Most divorced people I know are emotionally crushed, and very much ashamed their marriage did not work. Most recognize they could have done better, worked harder, made a better selection in the first place. They are not telling people they are not sinning.

So you are telling me the welfare roles are not large enough? We have to include people that claim to be perfectly willing to be up-standing tax-paying citizens (the homosexual activists), and yet you want to throw them on the welfare roles?

If our taxes support the killing of unborn CHILDREN, it is against our religion. It is forcing our resources to be used against our beliefs. If Christians are being denied the right to speak under the 'hate crimes laws' (not because they are being hateful, but because homosexual activists are trying to silence all oposition), that is against our religion; it is prohibiting our freedom.

Teachers tell our children every day that the Biblical story of creation is WRONG; they have no proof, the story they use is truthful. They use man made processes to prove what man said they would be. That is against our religion.

Read John Locke....and his theories on Social Contracts. Secular laws are NOT drawn from religion, they are drawn from society coming up with contractual agreements (some good, some not so good) to protect their life, liberty, and property.

And for anyone to believe that "world was created 6000 years ago and Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden"...I've got some oceanfront property for them in AZ.

I get it, a man said it, therefore it is true....
Our laws are not based on laws without Judeo-Christian beliefs. Those countries have set classes, with set laws for each class (it allows people that are born into the higher classes to 'sin' against the people in the lower classes with lesser punishments or no punishments at all). It was not until the Commandments that people considered applying laws, equally. It was not until the Lord and our Savior came to earth that those laws were extended to people that were not 'your' people, or from other countries.
John Locke has theories. I have theories, do you only 'follow' him because he says what you want to hear?
If you have proof that laws are applied, equally in civilizations where Christianity has had no influence, please link, or list.

I do not believe the earth is 6000 years old. I believe parts of Genesis are in the Lord's time. I do not know how that equates to 'earth' time. I just don't believe 'evolutionists' that want to say they have all the answers, except: for how life started, why there is such a huge variety of life, what that Almighty Being was that traveled with the Israelites in the desert, etc, etc, etc.

 

[bodecea]

Hi Bod:

So...in a legal sense, what do you suggest be done with homosexuals?

Nothing. Homosexuals do not reproduce naturally. They are part of 'We The People' with the same exact 'rights' as everybody else.

Give us equal rights?

You are a victim of Homosexual Propaganda, which means your head may as well be turned around backwards. Nobody 'gives' any rights to anyone!!!! Where did you get that STUPIDITY? All of our inalienable rights are given BY GOD. Period!

So, those 1,000 rights that married couples "got from state and federal government" don't really come from "state and federal government", they come from your god? How about those people who marry who don't believe in your god? Are they not really married?

Nobody gives heterosexual males and females any special rights! They come FROM GOD!!!! You are looking to receive 'rights' cuckoo from heterosexual males and females, when you are just like every heterosexual male and female on earth. Right? You have exactly one heterosexual male father and exactly one heterosexual female mother 'and' you are a copy of one or the other. That is what 'reproduction' is all about. The fact that you somehow require 'rights' from other heterosexual males and females tells me that Bodecea as a few screws loose.

So...these are just a figment of our imagination then?

Marriage Rights and Benefits - Free Legal Information - Nolo

Take our rights away? Lock us up? Worse?

You have the same right to go out and marry ANYONE of the opposite sex (with certain restrictions). Shacking up with a person of the same sex and playing house is one form of 'legal' activity. We call them roommates.

That same kind of silly argument cracked the Justices up when Virginia tried to use it in Loving v. Virginia. I expect it will work as well this time when Prop H8 works its way up to the Supreme Court.

What is your solution to the issue of Gay Equal rights?

Stop being a moron cuckoo!!!! The next thing you know, people want to marry their dogs and horses and proclaim their 'rights.' If you want to lay down with a person of the same sex cuckoo, then mo-powa-2-ya. However, do not expect real God-fearing Christians to have anything to do with that nonsense and stupidity. You already have equal rights ... I cannot marry anyone of the same sex either ...

Ah...the beastiality gambit....so tell us. What about hetereosexual marriage today KEEPS people from marrying their dogs and horses as long as those dogs and horses are of the opposite sex? (good luck finding dogs and horses able to enter into a marriage contract with you, btw)

Anyone signing on with allowing Homosexuals to marry (like men and women) is worthy of the lake of fire (Rev. 21:8 = immoral persons). Period! And that goes for EVERYONE ...

GL,

Terral

Ah...so you want to go back to the original usage of the word "faggot" and burn us for wanting our equal civil rights. Good thing you are becoming a smaller and smaller minority....

 

[bodecea]

Please list these laws that are so different for you.

BTW, where do you think "secular" laws originate?

I did not say that you "had" to marry. That is not a right. I said if you met the qualifications you "could" marry. You are the pessimist, telling me you won't be happy.....

Are divorced people running around trying to force people not to say what they did was wrong? Most divorced people I know are emotionally crushed, and very much ashamed their marriage did not work. Most recognize they could have done better, worked harder, made a better selection in the first place. They are not telling people they are not sinning.

So you are telling me the welfare roles are not large enough? We have to include people that claim to be perfectly willing to be up-standing tax-paying citizens (the homosexual activists), and yet you want to throw them on the welfare roles?

If our taxes support the killing of unborn CHILDREN, it is against our religion. It is forcing our resources to be used against our beliefs. If Christians are being denied the right to speak under the 'hate crimes laws' (not because they are being hateful, but because homosexual activists are trying to silence all oposition), that is against our religion; it is prohibiting our freedom.

Teachers tell our children every day that the Biblical story of creation is WRONG; they have no proof, the story they use is truthful. They use man made processes to prove what man said they would be. That is against our religion.

Read John Locke....and his theories on Social Contracts. Secular laws are NOT drawn from religion, they are drawn from society coming up with contractual agreements (some good, some not so good) to protect their life, liberty, and property.

And for anyone to believe that "world was created 6000 years ago and Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden"...I've got some oceanfront property for them in AZ.

I get it, a man said it, therefore it is true....
Our laws are not based on laws without Judeo-Christian beliefs. Those countries have set classes, with set laws for each class (it allows people that are born into the higher classes to 'sin' against the people in the lower classes with lesser punishments or no punishments at all). It was not until the Commandments that people considered applying laws, equally. It was not until the Lord and our Savior came to earth that those laws were extended to people that were not 'your' people, or from other countries.
John Locke has theories. I have theories, do you only 'follow' him because he says what you want to hear?
If you have proof that laws are applied, equally in civilizations where Christianity has had no influence, please link, or list.

I do not believe the earth is 6000 years old. I believe parts of Genesis are in the Lord's time. I do not know how that equates to 'earth' time. I just don't believe 'evolutionists' that want to say they have all the answers, except: for how life started, why there is such a huge variety of life, what that Almighty Being was that traveled with the Israelites in the desert, etc, etc, etc.

Show me an Evolutionist who says they have all the answers, plz.

 

[Terral]

Hi Logical:

What local, state or federal laws did you list?

The giving heterosexual 'different' treatment is a completely different subject.
Homosexuals have the same "rights" that any other person in this country has.

Thank you for stating the facts. Those among us who 'choose' to participate in this deviant homosexual behavior have the same rights as every heterosexual person in the USA. These deviants expect to receive 'extra rights' as a reward for their homosexuality cuckoo.

I would have nothing to say to these depraved souls, if they would only keep their immorality behind closed doors WHERE IT BELONGS. What two men or two women do behind closed doors is none of our business. However, parading homosexuality before my children and grandchildren 'and' expecting special rights to boot cuckoo !!!!?????

You have GOT to be kidding me. There are no professing homosexuals in my kingdom, at least none keep their heads beyond noon ... Psalm 101:8.

GL,

Terral

 

[Madeline]

Such hate from people claiming to be christian.

My, my my.

 

[bodecea]

Based on your logic, anyone or anything that is part of a couple should be treated as a married couple that can (for 90%+ of cases), produce children that will grow up to support society? So if 'a couple' of co-workers want to beat the system, the government should back them?

I got news for you...right now, if they are a hetero couple, that happens a lot. And yes, the government backs them. The government doesn't care what their reasons for marrying are. Convenience marriagese happen a lot....but just hetero ones (except in a few states like MA and now CA)



Ah...here comes the pedophile/animal argument....talk to me when children and animals can give legal consent in a marriage contract....ok?

I asked you to back up your statements. You did not. Either you are speaking falsely, or you are unwilling to list your 'evidence'. Which is it?

I most certainly did....not my fault when you don't want to recognize what is right in front of your nose. But...I've gotten used to the selective blindness of people like you....for example, you being selectively blind that heteros ALREADY marry for convenience reasons and have for a very, very, very long time.

What local, state or federal laws did you list?

The giving heterosexual 'different' treatment is a completely different subject.
Homosexuals have the same "rights" that any other person in this country has.

I see you didn't click on the link I gave you.

 

[bodecea]

Hi Logical:

What local, state or federal laws did you list?

The giving heterosexual 'different' treatment is a completely different subject.
Homosexuals have the same "rights" that any other person in this country has.

Thank you for stating the facts. Those among us who 'choose' to participate in this deviant homosexual behavior have the same rights as every heterosexual person in the USA. These deviants expect to receive 'extra rights' as a reward for their homosexuality cuckoo.

I would have nothing to say to these depraved souls, if they would only keep their immorality behind closed doors WHERE IT BELONGS. What two men or two women do behind closed doors is none of our business. However, parading homosexuality before my children and grandchildren 'and' expecting special rights to boot cuckoo !!!!?????

You have GOT to be kidding me. There are no professing homosexuals in my kingdom, at least none keep their heads beyond noon ... Psalm 101:8.

GL,

Terral

Let's rewrite your post, shall we?

Thank you for stating the facts. Those among us who 'choose' to participate in this deviant fundamental christian behavior have the same rights as every non-religious or religious person in the USA. These deviants expect to receive 'extra rights' as a reward for their fundamentalism cuckoo.

I would have nothing to say to these depraved souls, if they would only keep their immorality behind closed doors WHERE IT BELONGS. What these fundamentalists do behind closed doors is none of our business. However, parading their reactionary fundamentalism before my children and grandchildren 'and' expecting special rights to boot cuckoo !!!!?????

You have GOT to be kidding me. There are no professing holier-than-thous in my kingdom, at least none keep their heads beyond noon ...

Let us remember that RELIGION is a choice....and you are trying to shove it down our throats.