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[NewGuy]

Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Defined in Strong's:

And
New Testament Greek Definition:
1161 de {deh}
a primary particle (adversative or continuative);; conj
AV - but 1237, and 934, now 166, then 132, also 18, yet 16, yea 13,
so 13, moreover 13, nevertheless 11, for 4, even 3, misc 10,
not tr 300; 2870
1) but, moreover, and, etc.
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when
New Testament Greek Definition:
1096 ginomai {ghin'-om-ahee}
a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb;
TDNT - 1:681,117; v
AV - be 255, come to pass 82, be made 69, be done 63, come 52,
become 47, God forbid + 3361 15, arise 13, have 5, be fulfilled 3,
be married to 3, be preferred 3, not tr 14, misc 4, vr done 2; 678
1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
2a) of events
3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
3a) of men appearing in public
4) to be made, finished
4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5) to become, be made
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New Testament Greek Definition:
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the sixth
New Testament Greek Definition:
1623 hektos {hek'-tos}
ordinal from 1803;; adj
AV - sixth 14; 14
1) the sixth
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hour
New Testament Greek Definition:
5610 hora {ho'-rah}
apparently a primary word; TDNT - 9:675,1355; n f
AV - hour 89, time 11, season 3, misc 5; 108
1) a certain definite time or season fixed by natural law and
returning with the revolving year
1a) of the seasons of the year, spring, summer, autumn, winter
2) the daytime (bounded by the rising and setting of the sun), a day
3) a twelfth part of the day-time, an hour, (the twelve hours of
the day are reckoned from the rising to the setting of the sun)
4) any definite time, point of time, moment
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was come
New Testament Greek Definition:
1096 ginomai {ghin'-om-ahee}
a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb;
TDNT - 1:681,117; v
AV - be 255, come to pass 82, be made 69, be done 63, come 52,
become 47, God forbid + 3361 15, arise 13, have 5, be fulfilled 3,
be married to 3, be preferred 3, not tr 14, misc 4, vr done 2; 678
1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
2a) of events
3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
3a) of men appearing in public
4) to be made, finished
4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5) to become, be made

New Testament Greek Definition:
5637 Tense - Second Aorist See 5780
Voice - Middle Deponent See 5788
Mood - Participle See 5796
Count - 137
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there was
New Testament Greek Definition:
1096 ginomai {ghin'-om-ahee}
a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb;
TDNT - 1:681,117; v
AV - be 255, come to pass 82, be made 69, be done 63, come 52,
become 47, God forbid + 3361 15, arise 13, have 5, be fulfilled 3,
be married to 3, be preferred 3, not tr 14, misc 4, vr done 2; 678
1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
2a) of events
3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
3a) of men appearing in public
4) to be made, finished
4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5) to become, be made

New Testament Greek Definition:
5633 Tense - Second Aorist See 5780
Voice - Middle Deponent See 5788
Mood - Indicative See 5791
Count - 260
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darkness
New Testament Greek Definition:
4655 skotos {skot'-os}
from the base of 4639; TDNT - 7:423,1049; n n
AV - darkness 32; 32
1) darkness
1a) of night darkness
1b) of darkened eyesight or blindness
2) metaph.
2a) of ignorance respecting divine things and human duties, and
the accompanying ungodliness and immorality, together with
their consequent misery in hell
2b) persons in whom darkness becomes visible and holds sway
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over
New Testament Greek Definition:
1909 epi {ep-ee'}
a root;; prep
AV - on 196, in 120, upon 159, unto 41, to 41, misc 339; 896
1) upon, on, at, by, before
2) of position, on, at, by, over, against
3) to, over, on, at, across, against
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the whole
New Testament Greek Definition:
3650 holos {hol'-os}
a primary word; TDNT - 5:174,682; adj
AV - all 65, whole 43, every whit 2, altogether 1,
throughout + 1223 1; 112
1) all, whole, completely
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land
New Testament Greek Definition:
1093 ge {ghay}
contracted from a root word; TDNT - 1:677,116; n f
AV - earth 188, land 42, ground 18, country 2, world 1,
earthly + 1537 + 3588 1; 252
1) arable land
2) the ground, the earth as a standing place
3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water
4) the earth as a whole
4a) the earth as opposed to the heavens
4b) the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals
5) a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of
land, territory, region
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until
New Testament Greek Definition:
2193 heos {heh'-oce}
of uncertain affinity;; conj
AV - till 28, unto 27, until 25, to 16, till + 3739 11, misc 41; 148
1) till, until
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the ninth
New Testament Greek Definition:
1766 ennatos {en'-nat-os}
ordinal from 1767;; adj
AV - ninth 10; 10
1) ninth
1a) the ninth hour corresponds to our 3 o'clock in the afternoon
for the sixth hour of the Jews coincides with the twelfth of
the day as divided by our method, and the first hour of the
day is 6 A.M. to us
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hour
New Testament Greek Definition:
5610 hora {ho'-rah}
apparently a primary word; TDNT - 9:675,1355; n f
AV - hour 89, time 11, season 3, misc 5; 108
1) a certain definite time or season fixed by natural law and
returning with the revolving year
1a) of the seasons of the year, spring, summer, autumn, winter
2) the daytime (bounded by the rising and setting of the sun), a day
3) a twelfth part of the day-time, an hour, (the twelve hours of
the day are reckoned from the rising to the setting of the sun)
4) any definite time, point of time, moment


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And
New Testament Greek Definition:
2532 kai {kahee}
apparently, a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes
also a cumulative force;; conj
AV - and 8172, also 514, even 108, both 43, then 20, so 18,
likewise 13, not tr. 348, misc 32, vr and 1; 9249
1) and, also, even, indeed, but
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Frequency count based on 1894 Scrivener Greek New Testament.
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at the ninth
New Testament Greek Definition:
1766 ennatos {en'-nat-os}
ordinal from 1767;; adj
AV - ninth 10; 10
1) ninth
1a) the ninth hour corresponds to our 3 o'clock in the afternoon
for the sixth hour of the Jews coincides with the twelfth of
the day as divided by our method, and the first hour of the
day is 6 A.M. to us
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hour
New Testament Greek Definition:
5610 hora {ho'-rah}
apparently a primary word; TDNT - 9:675,1355; n f
AV - hour 89, time 11, season 3, misc 5; 108
1) a certain definite time or season fixed by natural law and
returning with the revolving year
1a) of the seasons of the year, spring, summer, autumn, winter
2) the daytime (bounded by the rising and setting of the sun), a day
3) a twelfth part of the day-time, an hour, (the twelve hours of
the day are reckoned from the rising to the setting of the sun)
4) any definite time, point of time, moment
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Jesus
New Testament Greek Definition:
2424 Iesous {ee-ay-sooce'}
of Hebrew origin 03091; TDNT - 3:284,360; n pr m
AV - Jesus 972, Jesus (Joshua) 2, Jesus (Justus) 1; 975
Jesus = "Jehovah is salvation"
1) Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind, God incarnate
2) Jesus Barabbas was the captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate
to release instead of Christ
3) Joshua was the famous captain of the Israelites, Moses' successor
(Ac. 7:45, Heb. 4:8)
4) Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ (Lu. 3:29)
5) Jesus, surnamed Justus, a Jewish Christian, an associate with
Paul in the preaching of the gospel (Col. 4:11)
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cried
New Testament Greek Definition:
994 boao {bo-ah'-o}
apparently a prol. form of a primary word; TDNT - 1:625,108; v
AV - cry 11; 11
1) to raise a cry, of joy pain etc.
2) to cry, speak with a high, strong voice
3) to cry to one for help, to implore his aid
For Synonyms see entry 5823

New Testament Greek Definition:
5656 Tense - Aorist See 5777
Voice - Active See 5784
Mood - Indicative See 5791
Count - 2319
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with a loud
New Testament Greek Definition:
3173 megas {meg'-as}
[including the prolonged forms, feminine megale, plural megaloi,
etc., cf also 3176, 3187]; TDNT - 4:529,573; adj
AV - great 150, loud 33, misc 12; 195
1) great
1a) of the external form or sensible appearance of things (or
of persons)
1a1) in particular, of space and its dimensions, as respects
1a1a) mass and weight: great
1a1b) compass and extent: large, spacious
1a1c) measure and height: long
1a1d) stature and age: great, old
1b) of number and quantity: numerous, large, abundant
1c) of age: the elder
1d) used of intensity and its degrees: with great effort, of
the affections and emotions of the mind, of natural events
powerfully affecting the senses: violent, mighty, strong
2) predicated of rank, as belonging to
2a) persons, eminent for ability, virtue, authority, power
2b) things esteemed highly for their importance: of great
moment, of great weight, importance
2c) a thing to be highly esteemed for its excellence: excellent
3) splendid, prepared on a grand scale, stately
4) great things
4a) of God's preeminent blessings
4b) of things which overstep the province of a created being, proud
(presumptuous) things, full of arrogance, derogatory to the
majesty of God
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voice
New Testament Greek Definition:
5456 phone {fo-nay'}
probably akin to 5316 through the idea of disclosure;
TDNT - 9:278,1287; n f
AV - voice 131, sound 8, be noised abroad + 1096 1, noise 1; 141
1) a sound, a tone
1a) of inanimate things, as musical instruments
2) a voice
2a) of the sound of uttered words
3) speech
3a) of a language, tongue
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saying
New Testament Greek Definition:
3004 lego {leg'-o}
a root word; TDNT - 4:69,505; v
AV - say 1184, speak 61, call 48, tell 33, misc 17; 1343
1) to say, to speak
1a) affirm over, maintain
1b) to teach
1c) to exhort, advise, to command, direct
1d) to point out with words, intend, mean, mean to say
1e) to call by name, to call, name
1f) to speak out, speak of, mention

New Testament Greek Definition:
5723 Tense - Present See 5774
Voice - Active See 5784
Mood - Participle See 5796
Count - 2549
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Eloi
New Testament Greek Definition:
1682 eloi {el-o-ee'}
of Aramaic origin, 0426 with pronominal stuff.;; n m
AV - Eloi 2; 2
Eloi = "my God"
1) Aramaic for the phrase "my God"
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Eloi
New Testament Greek Definition:
1682 eloi {el-o-ee'}
of Aramaic origin, 0426 with pronominal stuff.;; n m
AV - Eloi 2; 2
Eloi = "my God"
1) Aramaic for the phrase "my God"
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lama
New Testament Greek Definition:
2982 lama {lam-ah'} or lamma {lam-mah'}
transliterated from Aramaic;; pron
AV - lama 2; 2
1) why
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sabachthani
New Testament Greek Definition:
4518 sabachthani {sab-akh-than-ee'}
of Aramaic or 07662 with pronominal suffix;; Aramaic transliteration
AV - sabachthani 2; 2
1) thou hast forsaken me
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? which
New Testament Greek Definition:
3739 hos {hos} including feminine he {hay}, and neuter ho {ho}
probably a primary word (or perhaps a form of the article 3588);; pron
AV - which 394, whom 262, that 129, who 84, whose 53, what 42,
that which 20, whereof 13, misc 430; 1392
1) who, which, what, that
++++
Wigram's count is 1309 not 1393.
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is
New Testament Greek Definition:
2076 esti {es-tee'}
third person singular present indicative of 1510;; v
AV - is 744, are 51, was 29, be 25, have 11, not tr 15, misc 25,
vr is 1; 900
1) third person singular of "to be"
Used in phrase <3739> <2076> (5748) in:
#Mr 3:17 7:11,34 12:42 15:15 Eph 6:17 Col 1:24 Heb 7:2 Re 21:8,17
These are listed under number 3603.

New Testament Greek Definition:
5748 Tense - Present See 5774
Voice - No Voice Stated See 5799
Mood - Indicative See 5791
Count - 1617
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being interpreted
New Testament Greek Definition:
3177 methermeneuo {meth-er-mane-yoo'-o}
from 3326 and 2059;; v
AV - being interpreted 6, be by interpretation 1; 7
1) to translate into the language of one with whom I wish to
communicate, to interpret

New Testament Greek Definition:
5746 Tense - Present See 5774
Voice - Passive See 5786
Mood - Participle See 5796
Count - 360
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My
New Testament Greek Definition:
3450 mou {moo}
the simpler form of 1700;; pron
AV - my 501, me 52, mine 19, I 11, mine own 4; 587
1) I, me, my, of me
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God
New Testament Greek Definition:
2316 theos {theh'-os}
of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the
supreme Divinity; TDNT - 3:65,322; n m
AV - God 1320, god 13, godly 3, God-ward + 4214 2, misc 5; 1343
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2) the Godhead, trinity
2a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity
2b) Christ, the second person of the trinity
2c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3) spoken of the only and true God
3a) refers to the things of God
3b) his counsels, interests, things due to him
4) whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in
any way
4a) God's representative or viceregent
4a1) of magistrates and judges
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my
New Testament Greek Definition:
3450 mou {moo}
the simpler form of 1700;; pron
AV - my 501, me 52, mine 19, I 11, mine own 4; 587
1) I, me, my, of me
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God
New Testament Greek Definition:
2316 theos {theh'-os}
of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the
supreme Divinity; TDNT - 3:65,322; n m
AV - God 1320, god 13, godly 3, God-ward + 4214 2, misc 5; 1343
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2) the Godhead, trinity
2a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity
2b) Christ, the second person of the trinity
2c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3) spoken of the only and true God
3a) refers to the things of God
3b) his counsels, interests, things due to him
4) whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in
any way
4a) God's representative or viceregent
4a1) of magistrates and judges
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why
New Testament Greek Definition:
5101 tis {tis}
probably emphat. of 5100;; pron
AV - what 260, who 102, why 66, whom 25, which 17, misc 67; 537
1) who, which, what
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hast
New Testament Greek Definition:
1519 eis {ice}
a primary preposition; TDNT - 2:420,211; prep
AV - into 573, to 281, unto 207, for 140, in 138, on 58,
toward 29, against 26, misc 322; 1774
1) into, unto, to, towards, for, among
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"For" (as used in Acts 2:38 "for the forgiveness...") could have two
meanings. If you saw a poster saying "Jesse James wanted for
robbery", "for" could mean Jesse is wanted so he can commit a
robbery, or is wanted because he has committed a robbery. The later
sense is the correct one. So too in this passage, the word "for"
signifies an action in the past. Otherwise, it would violate the
entire tenor of the NT teaching on salvation by grace and not by works.
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thou forsaken
New Testament Greek Definition:
1459 egkataleipo {eng-kat-al-i'-po}
from 1722 and 2641;; v
AV - forsake 7, leave 2; 9
1) abandon, desert
1a) leave in straits, leave helpless
1b) totally abandoned, utterly forsaken
2) to leave behind among, to leave surviving

New Testament Greek Definition:
5627 Tense - Second Aorist See 5780
Voice - Active See 5784
Mood - Indicative See 5791
Count - 2138 plus 1 in a variant reading in a footnote
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me
New Testament Greek Definition:
3165 me {meh}
a shorter (and probably originally) from of 1691;;pron
AV - me 262, I 37, my 1, not tr 1; 301
1) I, me, my, etc.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by NewGuy

Gibson followed catholocism and used a book by a crazy mystic for his movie. It would figure you claim him as a source of evidence.

Hey Gibson made a new version of his own last passion of Jesus. Gibson rejects the Catholic church and turns his passion into hatred for the innocents.

See a website instead of scripture? Nice.

This website quotes directly from your NT Gospel. Are you unhappy with the New Testament versions of Jesus Christ? Which New Testament do you think is the REAL TRUE VERSION of the Gospel?

Since when do "all" versions determine reliability? These were taken from edited text that was VOTED upon before inclusion into circulation.

No versions of the NT determine reliability. You are correct that the story of Jesus Christ was voted into inclusion for the then new cult of Jesus Christ and his divinity.

Mark 15: 24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. What time of the day is the third hour/


33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. What time of the day is the sixty hour or the nineth hour if it was dark over the land? Morning or night time or did the skies get dark because of Christ's crucifixion?

34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Did Jesus need to ask himself why he forsook himself?????

35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

WAS THAT VINEGAR REALLY SOME COMMON SEDATIVE OF THE DAY WHICH MADE JESUS APPEAR TO BE DEAD TO EVERYONE?

37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
HOLY GHOST

That is 6 hours.

Even six hours is not enough time for a crucified man or woman to die unless they were sedated and appeared to those experts as dead.

They are WRONG.

An you think you are right? I don't think so preacher!!!!

 

[NewGuy]

I am humbled and honored you call me "preacher".

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by NewGuy

Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

AND YOUR POINT?????

Jesus was asking himself for foregiveness on the cross.

The following Bible is supposed to give some sort of credibility to the NT Gospel.

Isaiah 44

18They do not know nor understand;
For He has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see,
And their hearts, so that they cannot understand.
19And no one considers in his heart,
Nor is there knowledge nor understanding to say,
"I have burned half of it in the fire,
Yes, I have also baked bread on its coals;
I have roasted meat and eaten it;
And shall I make the rest of it an abomination?
Shall I fall down before a block of wood?"
20He feeds on ashes;
A deceived heart has turned him aside;
And he cannot deliver his soul,
Nor say, "Is there not a lie in my right hand?"

The wooden cross of the new god Jesus is being prophecied here in Isaiah in case you are asking yourself why I posted this.

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by ajwps
Lots of stuff

"But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain; your faith also is in vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we witnessed against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless"

More:
http://www.greatcom.org/resources/areadydefense/ch20/default.htm

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by NewGuy

I am humbled and honored you call me "preacher".

You should refer to me as the 'Blessed Reverend' (from the movie the Loved Ones) with Rod Steiger and Jonathon Winters. An old but great movie.

A title makes not the man, example Reverend Jimmy Swaggart of infamous fame.

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by ajwps
A title makes not the man, example Reverend Jimmy Swaggart of infamous fame.

It's called 'infamy'

I'd think a physician would be 'more' well-spoken.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by -=d=-
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"But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain; your faith also is in vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we witnessed against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless"

YOU GOT IT RIGHT ON THE MARK PREACHER......

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by -=d=-

It's called 'infamy'. I'd think a physician would be 'more' well-spoken.

Infamy is a noun and infamous is an adjective that describes the noun subject Jimmy Swaggart.

Are you a grammatician?

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by ajwps

Originally posted by -=d=-
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"But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain; your faith also is in vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we witnessed against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless"

YOU GOT IT RIGHT ON THE MARK PREACHER......

You should have kept on going:

1 Corinthians 15:19-21: "If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by ajwps
How badly was every Jew of the thousands upon thousands that the Romans crucified also in frail condition, scurged and under emotional distress. It still took 2 to 4 days not 3 to 4 hours. Even according to the Mel Gibson Version of the New Testament.

Proof of time Jesus was on the cross as per New Testaments gospels version. Most of the Gospel versions are at variance with these few hours.

Mark is clear that Jesus was on the cross for six hours:

Mark 15:25-39: "Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him. And the inscription of His accusation was written above:
THE KING OF THE JEWS.
With Him they also crucified two robbers, one on His right and the other on His left. So the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "And He was numbered with the transgressors."
And those who passed by blasphemed Him, wagging their heads and saying, "Aha! You who destroy the temple and build it in three days, save Yourself, and come down from the cross!"
Likewise the chief priests also, mocking among themselves with the scribes, said, "He saved others; Himself He cannot save. Let the Christ, the King of Israel, descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe." Even those who were crucified with Him reviled Him.
Now when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Some of those who stood by, when they heard that, said, "Look, He is calling for Elijah!" Then someone ran and filled a sponge full of sour wine, put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink, saying, "Let Him alone; let us see if Elijah will come to take Him down."
And Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and breathed His last.
Then the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. So when the centurion, who stood opposite Him, saw that He cried out like this and breathed His last, he said, "Truly this Man was the Son of God!"

The third hour to the ninth - six hours. And please note that "breathed his last" means that He died. There is no record of one of the Three Musketeers reviving a dead Jew and escaping back to France - which at the time was called Gaul and was part of the Roman Empire anyway.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by gop_jeff

You should have kept on going:

1 Corinthians 15:19-21: "If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."

He really should have stopped before you got in even deeper to deception.

For in Adam all mankind was made a living humanity and in Christ all manknd becomes lost to their Creator.

It is sad when you have been blinded to the truth.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by gop_jeff

.......And Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and breathed His last.

When our patient's are on the operating room table and they get the Pentathol, they begin to get sleepy and then THEY BREATH THEIR LAST BREATH. But low they are not dead, just sedated and the anesthesiologist pushes air down their windpipes and they arise as from the dead.

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by ajwps

Originally posted by -=d=-

It's called 'infamy'. I'd think a physician would be 'more' well-spoken.

Infamy is a noun and infamous is an adjective that describes the noun subject Jimmy Swaggart.

Are you a grammatician?

Nope - just interested in using as few words as possible.

"A title makes not the man, example Reverend Jimmy Swaggart of infamy"

;-)

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by ajwps

Originally posted by -=d=-
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"But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain; your faith also is in vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we witnessed against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless"

YOU GOT IT RIGHT ON THE MARK PREACHER......

Do me




one favour - Learn how to use the f'ing quote system


and read this:

http://www.greatcom.org/resources/areadydefense/ch20/default.htm

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by -=d=-

Nope - just interested in using as few words as possible.

"A title makes not the man, example Reverend Jimmy Swaggart of infamy"[/QUOTE]

December 7th 1941, a day that will live in infamy.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth, an infamous man-god.

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by ajwps
December 7th 1941, a day that will live in infamy.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth, an infamous man-god.

Right...you have used them correctly. Learn to 'quote'


Side note - I wonder how Christ will respond to you?

"aj - infamous sinner who rejected and denied me." comes to mind.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by -=d=- [/B]

ajwps says: Jesus Christ of Nazareth, an infamous man-god.

And you reply-----

Right...you have used them correctly. Learn to 'quote' :

Oh I think that Jesus has a lot more to worry about than me as he is having his own troubles explaining to the Father why he is worshipped as a new god. Christs rear is in the fire as we speak.

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by ajwps
ajwps says: Jesus Christ of Nazareth, an infamous man-god.

And you reply-----

Right...you have used them correctly. Learn to 'quote' :

wha???

 

[ajwps]

Check my post again .....