Christie Vetoes Gay Marriage

[bodecea]

I don't understand why you would want to be subject to divorce laws.
Where your partner could take you to the cleaners.

It's so much better when, if your partner dies, you have no protection from their family taking everything....right.

 

[bodecea]

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And yet, how much you wanna bet that the 14th will come into play when the SCOTUS finally rules on marriage equality?

You still haven't answered the question: What civil rights have EVER been granted by majority vote through a ballot initiative?

one more time.

There are no such things as "rights".

There are privilages the rest of society thinks you have. The legistlatures and courts merely reflect which ones people agree to.

In 1980's, everyone was afraid of AIDS, so in the Hardwicke decision, the SCOTUS decided states really did have the right to regulate anal sex.

Later,people were less scared, so the Lawrence decision decided there was a right to do so.

Both of those decisions couldn't be "right".

So, yeah, "rights" are largely what everyone kind of admits you should have, which is why this should happen through referendum or legislative action, not judicial fiat.

wow

 

[bodecea]

You can get fleeced with a palimony suit just as readily as a divorce.

Why are you automatically assuming that marriage will end in divorce? I've been in a monogamous relationship with my life partner for over 16 years now. Why isn't our relationship deserving of the same rights, benefits, privileges and protections of legal civil marriage that is granted heterosexual couples?

Got anything that WILL stand up in a court of law as a reason to deny me this equality?

I am not assuming, the statistic's say that there is a very large number of marriages end in divorce whether it be straight or Gay's.
I also said that you should have the same rights but doing it with laws.
I also said why it harms the nation as a whole.

Couples living together. Sex without marriage.
Drug abuse, porn, sex trafficking, alcoholism and homosexuality,pedophiles and bestiality.
Whenever these type of sins become accepted by society, civilization starts to decay and fall.
All of this leads to the decline of the family unit. A husband and wife who raise their families. When things go well with the family, life is worth living, when the family falters, life falls apart.

When deadly sins like pedophiles, bestiality and homosexuality are accepted it decays the moral and spiritual values in a well ordered civilization.

Families are the foundation of a nation.

When one sin becomes more acceptable others follow.
If you get your marriage rights, what is stopping the next one, which is those that want to marry their animal sex partners. They are coming out of the closet around the world now and are speaking out about their civil rights also.

Our single parent birthrate is now at 50%

Liberals seem to think uncle sam can do a better job then the actual fathers.

Damn the Gays for causing that!!!!!

 

[peach174]

Why do you think that commandment is there?
Lucy goosey sex causes diseases and eventually death. It does not matter what your sexual preference's are.


Leviticus 18:22 reads, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Leviticus 20:13. It reads, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

The verses above from Leviticus are in a section of the Bible that lists immoral acts and the penalties for them. Homosexual activities are listed right alongside other immoral acts such as having sex with animals, incestuous relationships, adultery, etc. God does not say that this behavior is something that you should have "gay pride" about. God calls it a sexual sin and says that because of such practices, the nations in the land were being cast out. Leviticus 18:24, 30 reads, "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."

And if we continue to be a nation that allows sex with anyone, any time with anyone. He will turn his back on us and we will no longer have his blessings.
The Majority of this nation believes in God and believes that he will turn on us. This is why homosexuality is a great harm to our society.

 

[bodecea]

I am not assuming, the statistic's say that there is a very large number of marriages end in divorce whether it be straight or Gay's.
I also said that you should have the same rights but doing it with laws.
I also said why it harms the nation as a whole.

Couples living together. Sex without marriage.
Drug abuse, porn, sex trafficking, alcoholism and homosexuality,pedophiles and bestiality.
Whenever these type of sins become accepted by society, civilization starts to decay and fall.
All of this leads to the decline of the family unit. A husband and wife who raise their families. When things go well with the family, life is worth living, when the family falters, life falls apart.

When deadly sins like pedophiles, bestiality and homosexuality are accepted it decays the moral and spiritual values in a well ordered civilization.

Families are the foundation of a nation.

When one sin becomes more acceptable others follow.
If you get your marriage rights, what is stopping the next one, which is those that want to marry their animal sex partners. They are coming out of the closet around the world now and are speaking out about their civil rights also.

Do you think couples who are not virgins should be allowed to marry?

Isn't that a deadly sin?

No it is not a deadly sin. But homosexuality is even worse, God says it's an abomination, worse that a deadly sin.
If more people would stop having sex any old time they wished, with as many people as they wanted to, the sexual diseases in this nation would decline dramatically though.

Where does your god say that?

 

[peach174]

Read post 326

 

[bodecea]

Why do you think that commandment is there?
Lucy goosey sex causes diseases and eventually death. It does not matter what your sexual preference's are.


Leviticus 18:22 reads, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Leviticus 20:13. It reads, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

The verses above from Leviticus are in a section of the Bible that lists immoral acts and the penalties for them. Homosexual activities are listed right alongside other immoral acts such as having sex with animals, incestuous relationships, adultery, etc. God does not say that this behavior is something that you should have "gay pride" about. God calls it a sexual sin and says that because of such practices, the nations in the land were being cast out. Leviticus 18:24, 30 reads, "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."

And if we continue to be a nation that allows sex with anyone, any time with anyone. He will turn his back on us and we will no longer have his blessings.
The Majority of this nation believes in God and believes that he will turn on us. This is why homosexuality is a great harm to our society.

It always amuses me, this Cafeteria Christianity....now you follow the OT, now you don't.

Answer me this...why are you not following ALL of Leviticus?

 

[rightwinger]

Why do you think that commandment is there?
Lucy goosey sex causes diseases and eventually death. It does not matter what your sexual preference's are.


Leviticus 18:22 reads, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Leviticus 20:13. It reads, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

The verses above from Leviticus are in a section of the Bible that lists immoral acts and the penalties for them. Homosexual activities are listed right alongside other immoral acts such as having sex with animals, incestuous relationships, adultery, etc. God does not say that this behavior is something that you should have "gay pride" about. God calls it a sexual sin and says that because of such practices, the nations in the land were being cast out. Leviticus 18:24, 30 reads, "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."

And if we continue to be a nation that allows sex with anyone, any time with anyone. He will turn his back on us and we will no longer have his blessings.
The Majority of this nation believes in God and believes that he will turn on us. This is why homosexuality is a great harm to our society.

You don't happen to be a member of the Westboro Baptist Church do you?

 

[bodecea]

Why do you think that commandment is there?
Lucy goosey sex causes diseases and eventually death. It does not matter what your sexual preference's are.


Leviticus 18:22 reads, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Leviticus 20:13. It reads, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

The verses above from Leviticus are in a section of the Bible that lists immoral acts and the penalties for them. Homosexual activities are listed right alongside other immoral acts such as having sex with animals, incestuous relationships, adultery, etc. God does not say that this behavior is something that you should have "gay pride" about. God calls it a sexual sin and says that because of such practices, the nations in the land were being cast out. Leviticus 18:24, 30 reads, "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."

And if we continue to be a nation that allows sex with anyone, any time with anyone. He will turn his back on us and we will no longer have his blessings.
The Majority of this nation believes in God and believes that he will turn on us. This is why homosexuality is a great harm to our society.

Ah...so the god with the most believers wins?

And here I thought this was a secular country when it was really a god popularity contest.

 

[peach174]

This has never been a secular nation, ever.
From the beginning it has been a Christian nation and it still is a Christian nation.
I have lost many gay friends in the 80's and 90's. All of them from HIV.
Most Christians do not hate Gay's, they hate the sin.
I don't write these things to judge anyone. But as a Christian, I believe what God's Word tells me. And I care enough about each of you to share with you God's truth.
I also care about this nation and if we continue down the path that we are going we will most defiantly fall as a nation.

 

[bodecea]

This has never been a secular nation, ever.
From the beginning it has been a Christian nation and it still is a Christian nation.

Bullshit.

I have lost many gay friends in the 80's and 90's. All of them from HIV.
Most Christians do not hate Gay's, they hate the sin.

Bullshit

I don't write these things to judge anyone.

Bullshit.

But as a Christian, I believe what God's Word tells me. And I care enough about each of you to share with you God's truth.

Bullshit

I also care about this nation and if we continue down the path that we are going we will most defiantly fall as a nation.

So...why don't you follow, and want our laws to follow ALL of Leviticus? You haven't answered that yet.

 

[rightwinger]

This has never been a secular nation, ever.
From the beginning it has been a Christian nation and it still is a Christian nation.

Bullshit.

I have lost many gay friends in the 80's and 90's. All of them from HIV.
Most Christians do not hate Gay's, they hate the sin.

Bullshit



Bullshit.

But as a Christian, I believe what God's Word tells me. And I care enough about each of you to share with you God's truth.

Bullshit

I also care about this nation and if we continue down the path that we are going we will most defiantly fall as a nation.

So...why don't you follow, and want our laws to follow ALL of Leviticus? You haven't answered that yet.

Because gays are yucky and lobster tastes good

 

[bodecea]

Peach must be busy. She's on line here but hasn't answered as to whether or not she follows all of Leviticus, and whether or not she want's our nation's laws to follow all of Leviticus.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Peach must be busy. She's on line here but hasn't answered as to whether or not she follows all of Leviticus, and whether or not she want's our nation's laws to follow all of Leviticus.

With me it was because being homosexual is unhealthy, but still haven't seen a response to Post #267.


>>>>

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

"I am adhering to what I've said since this bill was first introduced — an issue of this magnitude and importance, which requires a constitutional amendment, should be left to the people of New Jersey to decide,"

Seems like he wants the people to make the decision. And you have a problem with this?

Um, yeah, I usually do when people appeal to bigotry to advance their political careers.

Christy is a fat sack of shit.

Opposing gay marriage is now bigotry?

Priceless....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

This has never been a secular nation, ever.
From the beginning it has been a Christian nation and it still is a Christian nation.

Bullshit.



Bullshit



Bullshit.



Bullshit

I also care about this nation and if we continue down the path that we are going we will most defiantly fall as a nation.

So...why don't you follow, and want our laws to follow ALL of Leviticus? You haven't answered that yet.

Because gays are yucky and lobster tastes good

Drinking already?

 

[peach174]

It is not just Leviticus it's in the new Testament.

Romans 1:27-32 (King James Version)
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators [Gk: paramours], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [Gk: catamites], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [Gk: sodomites] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).

You can say bullshit all you want , but if you read our history, we have always been a Christian Nation.

 

[bodecea]

"I am adhering to what I've said since this bill was first introduced — an issue of this magnitude and importance, which requires a constitutional amendment, should be left to the people of New Jersey to decide,"

Seems like he wants the people to make the decision. And you have a problem with this?

Um, yeah, I usually do when people appeal to bigotry to advance their political careers.

Christy is a fat sack of shit.

Opposing gay marriage is now bigotry?

Priceless....

Opposing allowing legal gay marriage is indeed bigotry. Glad you have seen the truth in that.

 

[bodecea]

It is not just Leviticus it's in the new Testament.

Romans 1:27-32 (King James Version)
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators [Gk: paramours], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [Gk: catamites], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [Gk: sodomites] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).

You can say bullshit all you want , but if you read our history, we have always been a Christian Nation.

That's not your god...that's Paul. Glad to have been of help in that regard.

(This help precluded you believing that your god is Paul)

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Um, yeah, I usually do when people appeal to bigotry to advance their political careers.

Christy is a fat sack of shit.

Opposing gay marriage is now bigotry?

Priceless....

Opposing allowing legal gay marriage is indeed bigotry. Glad you have seen the truth in that.

Nah, no it's not.. try as you may to make all that is unnatural normal.. a great many of us do not see it as such. Now, that's not to say those of us who recognize homosexuality as abnormal wish any harm to come to those who practice homosexuality, that certainly doesn't compel us to accept it as normal, because it is indeed abnormal and thus do not wish to confer the sanctity of marriage upon it.