Civil War Facts

[mikegriffith1]

Jeff Davis spoke of a peaceful co-existence between the two countries but there was only one country. The confederacy was recognized by no other nations. It was a southern fantasy.

No, actually, under the original intent of the Constitution, when those states revoked their ratification, which they had a constitutional right to do, they reverted to the status of independent and sovereign nation states. Before all 13 states ratified the federal constitution, those states that had not yet ratified the constitution were treated as separate nations by the states that had joined the federal union.

You see, the problem is that you guys are adopting the same attitude toward peaceful separation that the British adopted when the colonies tried to peacefully separate from England. The Patriots (i.e., the colonists who wanted to separate) bitterly condemned England's attempt to force the colonies to remain under British control. The British replied that they were merely putting down a rebellion.

That's why the framers were so emphatic that their union would not be maintained by force. That's why they did not specify that ratification was irrevocable. That's why they decidedly rejected the idea that the federal government would be able to use force against disobedient states. That's why they even specified that the federal government could not even send troops into a state without the state government's permission.

I've documented all of these facts in the following two articles:

Proof that the Union was Supposed to be Voluntary

The American Revolution and the Right of Peaceful Separation

 

[there4eyeM]

We see it all now! How wrong we were! How could we have so erred?
Bring back the slaves! Divide up the country! We're convinced!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Jeff Davis spoke of a peaceful co-existence between the two countries but there was only one country. The confederacy was recognized by no other nations. It was a southern fantasy.

No, actually, under the original intent of the Constitution, when those states revoked their ratification, which they had a constitutional right to do, they reverted to the status of independent and sovereign nation states. Before all 13 states ratified the federal constitution, those states that had not yet ratified the constitution were treated as separate nations by the states that had joined the federal union.

You see, the problem is that you guys are adopting the same attitude toward peaceful separation that the British adopted when the colonies tried to peacefully separate from England. The Patriots (i.e., the colonists who wanted to separate) bitterly condemned England's attempt to force the colonies to remain under British control. The British replied that they were merely putting down a rebellion.

That's why the framers were so emphatic that their union would not be maintained by force. That's why they did not specify that ratification was irrevocable. That's why they decidedly rejected the idea that the federal government would be able to use force against disobedient states. That's why they even specified that the federal government could not even send troops into a state without the state government's permission.

I've documented all of these facts in the following two articles:

Proof that the Union was Supposed to be Voluntary

The American Revolution and the Right of Peaceful Separation

That Horrible War Must Be Blamed on Our Sacred-Cow Constitution



Also helpful, because everyone is too conformist to shallow historians to think beyond the propaganda, is the fact that Congress didn't seat any Senators or Representatives from the South during the war. That meant the Confederacy was recognized de jure as a separate country.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We see it all now! How wrong we were! How could we have so erred?
Bring back the slaves! Divide up the country! We're convinced!

The Republicans Sent Americans to Kill Their Fellow Americans on Behalf of Africans

If the South had won, every neighborhood in our Northern cities would be safe and the national debt would be reduced by the $20 trillion wasted on lazy and violent minorities.

 

[there4eyeM]

...but we wouldn't have Rock 'n Roll!

 

[bripat9643]

The more perfect Perpetual Union was not maintained by force. A forceful rebellion was put down.

Uh, well, no, no, no. Who invaded whom? The federal government sent armies into the South to force the Southern states to rejoin the Union against their will. Even after the Fort Sumter attack, Jefferson Davis expressed his desire for peace and repeated his offer for peaceful coexistence and MFN trading status, but by that time the Republicans were determined to invade.

You are taking the same attitude toward the right of peaceful separation that the British took when the colonies sought to exercise it. The South did not want to fight.

The actual war, with battles and casualties, began when federal armies invaded states that had revoked their ratification of the Constitution, which they had every right to do.

Jeff Davis spoke of a peaceful co-existence between the two countries but there was only one country. The confederacy was recognized by no other nations. It was a southern fantasy.

Countries aren't recognized until they are, dumbass. You proved nothing.

 

[Unkotare]

The more perfect Perpetual Union was not maintained by force. A forceful rebellion was put down.

Uh, well, no, no, no. Who invaded whom? The federal government sent armies into the South to force the Southern states to rejoin the Union against their will. Even after the Fort Sumter attack, Jefferson Davis expressed his desire for peace and repeated his offer for peaceful coexistence and MFN trading status, but by that time the Republicans were determined to invade.

You are taking the same attitude toward the right of peaceful separation that the British took when the colonies sought to exercise it. The South did not want to fight.

The actual war, with battles and casualties, began when federal armies invaded states that had revoked their ratification of the Constitution, which they had every right to do.

Jeff Davis spoke of a peaceful co-existence between the two countries but there was only one country. The confederacy was recognized by no other nations. It was a southern fantasy.

Countries aren't recognized until they are, dumbass. You proved nothing.

Since you know nothing about History, you don't know that the so-called confederates were desperate for any European country to recognize them. None would because the truth was obvious even to them. The failure of the vile traitors was inevitable from the moment they started an unnecessary state of civil war.

 

[Bezukhov]

...but we wouldn't have Rock 'n Roll!

And horror of horrors...

No Jazz!!!!

 

[gipper]

Jeff Davis spoke of a peaceful co-existence between the two countries but there was only one country. The confederacy was recognized by no other nations. It was a southern fantasy.

No, actually, under the original intent of the Constitution, when those states revoked their ratification, which they had a constitutional right to do, they reverted to the status of independent and sovereign nation states. Before all 13 states ratified the federal constitution, those states that had not yet ratified the constitution were treated as separate nations by the states that had joined the federal union.

You see, the problem is that you guys are adopting the same attitude toward peaceful separation that the British adopted when the colonies tried to peacefully separate from England. The Patriots (i.e., the colonists who wanted to separate) bitterly condemned England's attempt to force the colonies to remain under British control. The British replied that they were merely putting down a rebellion.

That's why the framers were so emphatic that their union would not be maintained by force. That's why they did not specify that ratification was irrevocable. That's why they decidedly rejected the idea that the federal government would be able to use force against disobedient states. That's why they even specified that the federal government could not even send troops into a state without the state government's permission.

I've documented all of these facts in the following two articles:

Proof that the Union was Supposed to be Voluntary

The American Revolution and the Right of Peaceful Separation

I wonder what might happen if states tried to secede today. Would they federal government mass murder them, as Lincoln did?

What if California were to secede, after Trump wins re-election. Just a thought.

The result might be a total dismantling of our criminal central government. I say that might be a wonderful thing.

 

[there4eyeM]

Ahh, and having all those slave women at total disposition! Yes, the glory days of that great 'cause'! Bring it back!

 

[Bezukhov]

Ahh, and having all those slave women at total disposition! Yes, the glory days of that great 'cause'! Bring it back!

At the end of the day that's what bripat9643, The Sage of Main Street and & Company want.

 

[gipper]

Ahh, and having all those slave women at total disposition! Yes, the glory days of that great 'cause'! Bring it back!

At the end of the day that's what bripat9643, The Sage of Main Street and & Company want.

So, is it your belief that those who know Lincoln’s War was unjust and treasonous, want the return of slavery?

 

[Bezukhov]

Ahh, and having all those slave women at total disposition! Yes, the glory days of that great 'cause'! Bring it back!

At the end of the day that's what bripat9643, The Sage of Main Street and & Company want.

So, is it your belief that those who know Lincoln’s War was unjust and treasonous, want the return of slavery?

If Lincoln's war was unjust, and the abolition of slavery was a result of this unjust war, then the abolition of slavery was unjust. To right that injustice the 13th amendment must be abolished. QED

 

[gipper]

Ahh, and having all those slave women at total disposition! Yes, the glory days of that great 'cause'! Bring it back!

At the end of the day that's what bripat9643, The Sage of Main Street and & Company want.

So, is it your belief that those who know Lincoln’s War was unjust and treasonous, want the return of slavery?

If Lincoln's war was unjust, and the abolition of slavery was a result of this unjust war, then the abolition of slavery was unjust. To right that injustice the 13th amendment must be abolished. QED

There is no doubt slavery is unjust.

Lincoln had no intention of abolishing it, wanted to ensconce it in the constitution if the south stayed, was willing to terminate the Emancipation Proclamation if the South surrendered, then after the war considered deporting all blacks.

At any rate, most of the world eliminated slavery without a shot being fired. Lincoln’s War was entirely unnecessary.

 

[there4eyeM]

No one "knows" that it was "Lincoln's war"; some merely choose to distort history in such a way that they can allow themselves to 'think' it. The reason for this is difficult to understand. Whatever flaws that President had, there is nothing that overrides his clear reasoning of what was made necessary to turn back the treachery, treason and inhumanity of those who precipitated the conflict.
It is a mistake to make people into glorious icons.
It is a mistake to ignore what Lincoln faced and what would have happened if a lesser mind had been in place.

 

[Jitss617]

 

[bripat9643]

The more perfect Perpetual Union was not maintained by force. A forceful rebellion was put down.

Uh, well, no, no, no. Who invaded whom? The federal government sent armies into the South to force the Southern states to rejoin the Union against their will. Even after the Fort Sumter attack, Jefferson Davis expressed his desire for peace and repeated his offer for peaceful coexistence and MFN trading status, but by that time the Republicans were determined to invade.

You are taking the same attitude toward the right of peaceful separation that the British took when the colonies sought to exercise it. The South did not want to fight.

The actual war, with battles and casualties, began when federal armies invaded states that had revoked their ratification of the Constitution, which they had every right to do.

Jeff Davis spoke of a peaceful co-existence between the two countries but there was only one country. The confederacy was recognized by no other nations. It was a southern fantasy.

Countries aren't recognized until they are, dumbass. You proved nothing.

Since you know nothing about History, you don't know that the so-called confederates were desperate for any European country to recognize them. None would because the truth was obvious even to them. The failure of the vile traitors was inevitable from the moment they started an unnecessary state of civil war.

How does that prove that Lincoln didn't start the war?

 

[bripat9643]

No one "knows" that it was "Lincoln's war"; some merely choose to distort history in such a way that they can allow themselves to 'think' it. The reason for this is difficult to understand. Whatever flaws that President had, there is nothing that overrides his clear reasoning of what was made necessary to turn back the treachery, treason and inhumanity of those who precipitated the conflict.
It is a mistake to make people into glorious icons.
It is a mistake to ignore what Lincoln faced and what would have happened if a lesser mind had been in place.

Lincoln is the one guilty of treachery, treason and inhumanity, you fucking dumbass. There is simply no doubt about that. The Confederates were simply defending their homeland.

 

[August West]

No one "knows" that it was "Lincoln's war"; some merely choose to distort history in such a way that they can allow themselves to 'think' it. The reason for this is difficult to understand. Whatever flaws that President had, there is nothing that overrides his clear reasoning of what was made necessary to turn back the treachery, treason and inhumanity of those who precipitated the conflict.
It is a mistake to make people into glorious icons.
It is a mistake to ignore what Lincoln faced and what would have happened if a lesser mind had been in place.

Lincoln is the one guilty of treachery, treason and inhumanity, you fucking dumbass. There is simply no doubt about that. The Confederates were simply defending their homeland.

Confederate "homeland" was the homeland of all Americans. The confederacy was a mythical land recognized by no other nations.

 

[bripat9643]

No one "knows" that it was "Lincoln's war"; some merely choose to distort history in such a way that they can allow themselves to 'think' it. The reason for this is difficult to understand. Whatever flaws that President had, there is nothing that overrides his clear reasoning of what was made necessary to turn back the treachery, treason and inhumanity of those who precipitated the conflict.
It is a mistake to make people into glorious icons.
It is a mistake to ignore what Lincoln faced and what would have happened if a lesser mind had been in place.

Lincoln is the one guilty of treachery, treason and inhumanity, you fucking dumbass. There is simply no doubt about that. The Confederates were simply defending their homeland.

Confederate "homeland" was the homeland of all Americans. The confederacy was a mythical land recognized by no other nations.

It was recognized by the people who lived there. Prior to the Civil War, each of the states thought of itself as a separate nation. No one every said "I'm an American." They said "I'm a Virginian." There was nothing "mythical" about the Confederacy. If that was the case, then how can we see Confederate money in museums?

Virginia was not the homeland of people who lived in Ohio. That's Lincoln cult propaganda.

To sum up, your just plain full of shit.