Climate Change Deniers Are Lying

Let's pass some laws that kills capitalism and destroys economies. What could go wrong?

It would be better and more effective to discourage the global Left from exhaling.
Crick asked that we look up the WG1 AR5 from the IPCC. He said my questions about the science would be answered. I did. Here are some observations:
1. The IPCC is mostly made up of politicians and some professors, not the underlying scientists;
2. The AR5 is nothing more than summaries and assumptions of all underlying work with words like "High confidence", "likely", etc. So it is meaningless without the underlying studies.
3. It is impossible to absorb correctly because it is literally chocked full references and graphs, each one a class study in itself.
4. When trying to drill down on one assumption, "level of man made CO2", you realize that these issues are so complicated that these people do not have a clue. For instance, man made CO2 in US is taken, in part, from fossil fuel production. Then you realize that their "confidence" in knowing levels of other nations (China, India, etc.) is VERY LOW. Well that is just the rest of the world. Their numbers are bogus. Especially in view of assumptions based on point 4 degrees in 20 years, I would put this in the range of "low confidence".
5. Their solution is cap and trade. Therefore, the UN would tax all countries, making itself an uber country taxing authority. That means, these people are NOT third party disinterested observers. They are asking us to make them taxing over lords.
Makes you want to go over their assumptions one more time.
 
5. Stop saying any sentence with "Denier" or "conensus" in it. This is not science, this is opinion which we have been saying all along.

No one ever claimed calling deniers "deniers" was science. Of course it's an opinion.; it's one based on their behavior. And, guess what? We're all entitled to have and express opinions.

Consensus IS part of science. It is the parameter by which the acceptance of a theory is measured. Deniers will frequently try to suggest that only if certain vaguely identified experiments are successful or only if some unspecified predictions come to pass is or should a theory like AGW be "accepted". Best of all is when they demand there be "proof". There is no authoritative entity that determines whether or not theories are accepted. The level of consensus among the experts in a given field is the ONLY way to make such a determination.

If you don't like that, feel free to suggest a better way.

Well, the better way is called science.

Did I suggest something else?

That is, you propose a theory and conduct experiments that "prove" that theory. Then, you show your work so that your "proof" is repeatable and the methodology is over-viewed. Pretty basic stuff. By the way, so I am not just a denier, I checked on the Work Group 1, AR5 report as suggested above and none of those questions were answered, so far. Still reading 1500 pages and looking for some semblance of fair play in arriving at CO2 being a causative pollutant vis a vis all of the other potential atmospheric gases and climatic change agents. Nothing so far.

I'm curious. What do you mean when you use the term "proof"? And what do you mean when you say you're still looking for some semblance of fair play re CO2? What unfairness have you seen? What fair play do you believe is lacking?

I rather doubt you've read much of WG-I in the time since I made that suggestion. But even so, if you haven't found anything pertinent, it's hard to believe you're looking seriously. Let me help:

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By the way, Crick, your entire paragraph about how consensus is part of science could have been taken out of Galileo's trial. Pope Urban: "Proof? Impossible. I'm not sailing over the edge of the earth!".

Really? That brings a couple of quick questions to mind.
1) Let's see the text of the Galileo's trial and you can point out the resemblances
2) When did Urban and priesthood make use of the scientific method as have the thousands of scientists whose work makes up the content of the IPCC's assessment reports?
 
Let's pass some laws that kills capitalism and destroys economies. What could go wrong?

It would be better and more effective to discourage the global Left from exhaling.
Crick asked that we look up the WG1 AR5 from the IPCC. He said my questions about the science would be answered. I did. Here are some observations:
1. The IPCC is mostly made up of politicians and some professors, not the underlying scientists;
2. The AR5 is nothing more than summaries and assumptions of all underlying work with words like "High confidence", "likely", etc. So it is meaningless without the underlying studies.
3. It is impossible to absorb correctly because it is literally chocked full references and graphs, each one a class study in itself.
4. When trying to drill down on one assumption, "level of man made CO2", you realize that these issues are so complicated that these people do not have a clue. For instance, man made CO2 in US is taken, in part, from fossil fuel production. Then you realize that their "confidence" in knowing levels of other nations (China, India, etc.) is VERY LOW. Well that is just the rest of the world. Their numbers are bogus. Especially in view of assumptions based on point 4 degrees in 20 years, I would put this in the range of "low confidence".
5. Their solution is cap and trade. Therefore, the UN would tax all countries, making itself an uber country taxing authority. That means, these people are NOT third party disinterested observers. They are asking us to make them taxing over lords.
Makes you want to go over their assumptions one more time.

The lead author for AP5 told us that the climate change scam was a ruse to redistribute wealth.
 
5. Stop saying any sentence with "Denier" or "conensus" in it. This is not science, this is opinion which we have been saying all along.

No one ever claimed calling deniers "deniers" was science. Of course it's an opinion.; it's one based on their behavior. And, guess what? We're all entitled to have and express opinions.

Consensus IS part of science. It is the parameter by which the acceptance of a theory is measured. Deniers will frequently try to suggest that only if certain vaguely identified experiments are successful or only if some unspecified predictions come to pass is or should a theory like AGW be "accepted". Best of all is when they demand there be "proof". There is no authoritative entity that determines whether or not theories are accepted. The level of consensus among the experts in a given field is the ONLY way to make such a determination.

If you don't like that, feel free to suggest a better way.

Well, the better way is called science.

Did I suggest something else?

That is, you propose a theory and conduct experiments that "prove" that theory. Then, you show your work so that your "proof" is repeatable and the methodology is over-viewed. Pretty basic stuff. By the way, so I am not just a denier, I checked on the Work Group 1, AR5 report as suggested above and none of those questions were answered, so far. Still reading 1500 pages and looking for some semblance of fair play in arriving at CO2 being a causative pollutant vis a vis all of the other potential atmospheric gases and climatic change agents. Nothing so far.

I'm curious. What do you mean when you use the term "proof"? And what do you mean when you say you're still looking for some semblance of fair play re CO2? What unfairness have you seen? What fair play do you believe is lacking?

I rather doubt you've read much of WG-I in the time since I made that suggestion. But even so, if you haven't found anything pertinent, it's hard to believe you're looking seriously. Let me help:

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By the way, Crick, your entire paragraph about how consensus is part of science could have been taken out of Galileo's trial. Pope Urban: "Proof? Impossible. I'm not sailing over the edge of the earth!".

Really? That brings a couple of quick questions to mind.
1) Let's see the text of the Galileo's trial and you can point out the resemblances
2) When did Urban and priesthood make use of the scientific method as have the thousands of scientists whose work makes up the content of the IPCC's assessment reports?
There is no radiative forcing so that entire chart is false and frake. next!
 
The lead author for AP5 told us that the climate change scam was a ruse to redistribute wealth.

Of course. Everything the Left does is a maneuver to gain further control of people and their lives. The Airstrip One model looks like paradise to them.
 
Let's pass some laws that kills capitalism and destroys economies. What could go wrong?

It would be better and more effective to discourage the global Left from exhaling.
Crick asked that we look up the WG1 AR5 from the IPCC. He said my questions about the science would be answered. I did. Here are some observations:
1. The IPCC is mostly made up of politicians and some professors, not the underlying scientists;
2. The AR5 is nothing more than summaries and assumptions of all underlying work with words like "High confidence", "likely", etc. So it is meaningless without the underlying studies.
3. It is impossible to absorb correctly because it is literally chocked full references and graphs, each one a class study in itself.
4. When trying to drill down on one assumption, "level of man made CO2", you realize that these issues are so complicated that these people do not have a clue. For instance, man made CO2 in US is taken, in part, from fossil fuel production. Then you realize that their "confidence" in knowing levels of other nations (China, India, etc.) is VERY LOW. Well that is just the rest of the world. Their numbers are bogus. Especially in view of assumptions based on point 4 degrees in 20 years, I would put this in the range of "low confidence".
5. Their solution is cap and trade. Therefore, the UN would tax all countries, making itself an uber country taxing authority. That means, these people are NOT third party disinterested observers. They are asking us to make them taxing over lords.
Makes you want to go over their assumptions one more time.

Well done Dude !!! I would add that it says in their mission statement that the only kind of Climate science they are interested in --- is the kind that where MAN is the chief cause of commotion.. That -- and the "elders" of the IPCC are more less avowed global redistributionists. And every major meeting turns into a whinefest and beggars brawl over who is gonna get a check from us..
 
5. Stop saying any sentence with "Denier" or "conensus" in it. This is not science, this is opinion which we have been saying all along.

No one ever claimed calling deniers "deniers" was science. Of course it's an opinion.; it's one based on their behavior. And, guess what? We're all entitled to have and express opinions.

Consensus IS part of science. It is the parameter by which the acceptance of a theory is measured. Deniers will frequently try to suggest that only if certain vaguely identified experiments are successful or only if some unspecified predictions come to pass is or should a theory like AGW be "accepted". Best of all is when they demand there be "proof". There is no authoritative entity that determines whether or not theories are accepted. The level of consensus among the experts in a given field is the ONLY way to make such a determination.

If you don't like that, feel free to suggest a better way.

Well, the better way is called science.

Did I suggest something else?

That is, you propose a theory and conduct experiments that "prove" that theory. Then, you show your work so that your "proof" is repeatable and the methodology is over-viewed. Pretty basic stuff. By the way, so I am not just a denier, I checked on the Work Group 1, AR5 report as suggested above and none of those questions were answered, so far. Still reading 1500 pages and looking for some semblance of fair play in arriving at CO2 being a causative pollutant vis a vis all of the other potential atmospheric gases and climatic change agents. Nothing so far.

I'm curious. What do you mean when you use the term "proof"? And what do you mean when you say you're still looking for some semblance of fair play re CO2? What unfairness have you seen? What fair play do you believe is lacking?

I rather doubt you've read much of WG-I in the time since I made that suggestion. But even so, if you haven't found anything pertinent, it's hard to believe you're looking seriously. Let me help:

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By the way, Crick, your entire paragraph about how consensus is part of science could have been taken out of Galileo's trial. Pope Urban: "Proof? Impossible. I'm not sailing over the edge of the earth!".

Really? That brings a couple of quick questions to mind.
1) Let's see the text of the Galileo's trial and you can point out the resemblances
2) When did Urban and priesthood make use of the scientific method as have the thousands of scientists whose work makes up the content of the IPCC's assessment reports?
This is rather tedious, but allow me to try to respond to the above graph.
1. Who produced it.
2. What were the methodologies behind the myriad of assumptions made like: How do you distinguish between anthropogenic CO2 and naturally occurring CO2?
3. What is the comparative difference between Radiative forcing of a CO2 number of 1.60 compared to O2 of .6 when O2 is 360 times the concentration of CO2. Wouldn't that be 360 times .6 or 216 compared with just 1.6 for CO2. WHAT THE HELL IS A RADIATIVE FORCING OF 1.6 MEAN AND HOW DID YOU GET THESE NUMBERS?
More questions for a good scientist than answers here.
 
5. Stop saying any sentence with "Denier" or "conensus" in it. This is not science, this is opinion which we have been saying all along.

No one ever claimed calling deniers "deniers" was science. Of course it's an opinion.; it's one based on their behavior. And, guess what? We're all entitled to have and express opinions.

Consensus IS part of science. It is the parameter by which the acceptance of a theory is measured. Deniers will frequently try to suggest that only if certain vaguely identified experiments are successful or only if some unspecified predictions come to pass is or should a theory like AGW be "accepted". Best of all is when they demand there be "proof". There is no authoritative entity that determines whether or not theories are accepted. The level of consensus among the experts in a given field is the ONLY way to make such a determination.

If you don't like that, feel free to suggest a better way.

Well, the better way is called science.

Did I suggest something else?

That is, you propose a theory and conduct experiments that "prove" that theory. Then, you show your work so that your "proof" is repeatable and the methodology is over-viewed. Pretty basic stuff. By the way, so I am not just a denier, I checked on the Work Group 1, AR5 report as suggested above and none of those questions were answered, so far. Still reading 1500 pages and looking for some semblance of fair play in arriving at CO2 being a causative pollutant vis a vis all of the other potential atmospheric gases and climatic change agents. Nothing so far.

I'm curious. What do you mean when you use the term "proof"? And what do you mean when you say you're still looking for some semblance of fair play re CO2? What unfairness have you seen? What fair play do you believe is lacking?

I rather doubt you've read much of WG-I in the time since I made that suggestion. But even so, if you haven't found anything pertinent, it's hard to believe you're looking seriously. Let me help:

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By the way, Crick, your entire paragraph about how consensus is part of science could have been taken out of Galileo's trial. Pope Urban: "Proof? Impossible. I'm not sailing over the edge of the earth!".

Really? That brings a couple of quick questions to mind.
1) Let's see the text of the Galileo's trial and you can point out the resemblances
2) When did Urban and priesthood make use of the scientific method as have the thousands of scientists whose work makes up the content of the IPCC's assessment reports?
This is rather tedious, but allow me to try to respond to the above graph.
1. Who produced it.
2. What were the methodologies behind the myriad of assumptions made like: How do you distinguish between anthropogenic CO2 and naturally occurring CO2?
3. What is the comparative difference between Radiative forcing of a CO2 number of 1.60 compared to O2 of .6 when O2 is 360 times the concentration of CO2. Wouldn't that be 360 times .6 or 216 compared with just 1.6 for CO2. WHAT THE HELL IS A RADIATIVE FORCING OF 1.6 MEAN AND HOW DID YOU GET THESE NUMBERS?
More questions for a good scientist than answers here.
By the way Crick. You asked what was the resemblance to the Galileo trial. It was implied not stated but would start with the word "consensus". Also, I have to compliment you in that I have never had a reasoned debate with a true believer before. It usually ends with name calling.
 
5. Stop saying any sentence with "Denier" or "conensus" in it. This is not science, this is opinion which we have been saying all along.

No one ever claimed calling deniers "deniers" was science. Of course it's an opinion.; it's one based on their behavior. And, guess what? We're all entitled to have and express opinions.

Consensus IS part of science. It is the parameter by which the acceptance of a theory is measured. Deniers will frequently try to suggest that only if certain vaguely identified experiments are successful or only if some unspecified predictions come to pass is or should a theory like AGW be "accepted". Best of all is when they demand there be "proof". There is no authoritative entity that determines whether or not theories are accepted. The level of consensus among the experts in a given field is the ONLY way to make such a determination.

If you don't like that, feel free to suggest a better way.

Well, the better way is called science.

Did I suggest something else?

That is, you propose a theory and conduct experiments that "prove" that theory. Then, you show your work so that your "proof" is repeatable and the methodology is over-viewed. Pretty basic stuff. By the way, so I am not just a denier, I checked on the Work Group 1, AR5 report as suggested above and none of those questions were answered, so far. Still reading 1500 pages and looking for some semblance of fair play in arriving at CO2 being a causative pollutant vis a vis all of the other potential atmospheric gases and climatic change agents. Nothing so far.

I'm curious. What do you mean when you use the term "proof"? And what do you mean when you say you're still looking for some semblance of fair play re CO2? What unfairness have you seen? What fair play do you believe is lacking?

I rather doubt you've read much of WG-I in the time since I made that suggestion. But even so, if you haven't found anything pertinent, it's hard to believe you're looking seriously. Let me help:

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By the way, Crick, your entire paragraph about how consensus is part of science could have been taken out of Galileo's trial. Pope Urban: "Proof? Impossible. I'm not sailing over the edge of the earth!".

Really? That brings a couple of quick questions to mind.
1) Let's see the text of the Galileo's trial and you can point out the resemblances
2) When did Urban and priesthood make use of the scientific method as have the thousands of scientists whose work makes up the content of the IPCC's assessment reports?
This is rather tedious, but allow me to try to respond to the above graph.
1. Who produced it.
2. What were the methodologies behind the myriad of assumptions made like: How do you distinguish between anthropogenic CO2 and naturally occurring CO2?
3. What is the comparative difference between Radiative forcing of a CO2 number of 1.60 compared to O2 of .6 when O2 is 360 times the concentration of CO2. Wouldn't that be 360 times .6 or 216 compared with just 1.6 for CO2. WHAT THE HELL IS A RADIATIVE FORCING OF 1.6 MEAN AND HOW DID YOU GET THESE NUMBERS?
More questions for a good scientist than answers here.
By the way Crick. You asked what was the resemblance to the Galileo trial. It was implied not stated but would start with the word "consensus". Also, I have to compliment you in that I have never had a reasoned debate with a true believer before. It usually ends with name calling.
Also, Crick asked about what is the definition of scientific "proof". You would get the above graph and study each assumption and try to poke holes in every method. After you have come to the conclusion that methods were sound, the assumptions correct and you can repeat the experiment over and over and get the same results, you raise your hand and say "I give". Scientific proof is being beaten over the head by empirical knowledge to the point of submission. Not before and certainly not because someone produced a bunch of numbers with a pretty multi-colored bar graph. You're up Crick.
 
Crick asked that we look up the WG1 AR5 from the IPCC. He said my questions about the science would be answered. I did. Here are some observations:
1. The IPCC is mostly made up of politicians and some professors, not the underlying scientists;

The IPCC was created by the governments of the member nations of the UN. Call them politicians if you like. It is not staffed by politicians. It's chartered function is to produce reports in support of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). Those report are required to cover "the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation." If you think those are tasks that politicians would take on for themselves, I think you need to reexamine YOUR assumptions. Can you tell us what source told you that they are staffed primarily by politicians?

That they are not staffed by the "underlying" scientists doing the research (and never have been) is no surprise to anyone even basically familiar with the IPCC. The IPCC neither conducts nor funds the conduct of research. They simply collect and assess the research being conducted in the field by qualified scientists and published in peer reviewed literature. Those assessments undergo intense and thorough technical review. The draft reports are subject to approval by the governments which sponsor this work. That is their right. But the assessment reports are not researched nor composed by politicians.

2. The AR5 is nothing more than summaries and assumptions of all underlying work with words like "High confidence", "likely", etc. So it is meaningless without the underlying studies.

The conclusions of peer reviewed studies are not "assumptions". The studies on which these assessments are based are all clearly footnoted and all are available. To say the report is meaningless because - what - they didn't include the text of the entire studies - because you're apparently incapable of looking something up? Was this really the first time you'd ever read any of AR5? The first time you'd read any of the IPCC's assessment reports? But you think you know better? You think you know what they did wrong? Good fucking grief.

3. It is impossible to absorb correctly because it is literally chocked full references and graphs, each one a class study in itself.

Too much information? I can see your denier buddies cringing... even the not-very-bright ones.

4. When trying to drill down on one assumption, "level of man made CO2", you realize that these issues are so complicated that these people do not have a clue.

Davey, Davey, Davey... someone around here truly does not have a clue, but it is not the authors of AR5.

For instance, man made CO2 in US is taken, in part, from fossil fuel production.

Almost. It is taken from fossil fuel consumption.

Then you realize that their "confidence" in knowing levels of other nations (China, India, etc.) is VERY LOW. Well that is just the rest of the world. Their numbers are bogus.

Their numbers for the estimated amount of GHG's humans have put into the atmosphere (and the ocean and the ground) is quite good. There are two basic methods: measure the isotopic characteristics of the CO2 and do the bookkeeping estimate to which you refer. CO2 from fossil fuels has a different isotopic mix than does CO2 from the ongoing carbon dioxide cycle. The numbers from the two methods agree very well. Humans are responsible for almost every single bit of the 120 ppm of CO2 added to the atmosphere since 1750. Their numbers are not "bogus".

Especially in view of assumptions based on point 4 degrees in 20 years

What assumptions are you talking about and what do they have to do with determining human GHG emissions?

, I would put this in the range of "low confidence".

You would, would you? That is distressing. Did you let them know?

5. Their solution is cap and trade.

It is? And this was the view of the First Working Group? Where did you get that Dave?

Therefore, the UN would tax all countries, making itself an uber country taxing authority.

That's uber-nonsense Dave.

That means, these people are NOT third party disinterested observers. They are asking us to make them taxing over lords.
Makes you want to go over their assumptions one more time.

Oi VEY!

Given that we all live on the same planet, drink the same water and breathe the same air, they were always interested in this topic. It's why the UN formed the IPCC: concern. But if you want to suggest that the UN taxing the world is a motive for the IPCC to lie about AGW, you're going to have to take a number to get in line with the rest of disconnected whack-jobs who think the world's climate scientists are making it all up to get rich on research grants. Although, tell your fellow whack-jobbers your idea. They might give you head of line privileges.
 
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5. Stop saying any sentence with "Denier" or "conensus" in it. This is not science, this is opinion which we have been saying all along.

No one ever claimed calling deniers "deniers" was science. Of course it's an opinion.; it's one based on their behavior. And, guess what? We're all entitled to have and express opinions.

Consensus IS part of science. It is the parameter by which the acceptance of a theory is measured. Deniers will frequently try to suggest that only if certain vaguely identified experiments are successful or only if some unspecified predictions come to pass is or should a theory like AGW be "accepted". Best of all is when they demand there be "proof". There is no authoritative entity that determines whether or not theories are accepted. The level of consensus among the experts in a given field is the ONLY way to make such a determination.

If you don't like that, feel free to suggest a better way.

Well, the better way is called science.

Did I suggest something else?

That is, you propose a theory and conduct experiments that "prove" that theory. Then, you show your work so that your "proof" is repeatable and the methodology is over-viewed. Pretty basic stuff. By the way, so I am not just a denier, I checked on the Work Group 1, AR5 report as suggested above and none of those questions were answered, so far. Still reading 1500 pages and looking for some semblance of fair play in arriving at CO2 being a causative pollutant vis a vis all of the other potential atmospheric gases and climatic change agents. Nothing so far.

I'm curious. What do you mean when you use the term "proof"? And what do you mean when you say you're still looking for some semblance of fair play re CO2? What unfairness have you seen? What fair play do you believe is lacking?

I rather doubt you've read much of WG-I in the time since I made that suggestion. But even so, if you haven't found anything pertinent, it's hard to believe you're looking seriously. Let me help:

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By the way, Crick, your entire paragraph about how consensus is part of science could have been taken out of Galileo's trial. Pope Urban: "Proof? Impossible. I'm not sailing over the edge of the earth!".

Really? That brings a couple of quick questions to mind.
1) Let's see the text of the Galileo's trial and you can point out the resemblances
2) When did Urban and priesthood make use of the scientific method as have the thousands of scientists whose work makes up the content of the IPCC's assessment reports?


Explained to you TWICE CrickHam how the IPCC invented their own version of "solar radiative forcing" to make the phoney chart comply to their mission statement of finding MAN-MADE Global Warming --- instead of doing any real objective climate science. You are hopelessly worshipping the wrong "experts"...
 
Also, Crick asked about what is the definition of scientific "proof".

I really wasn't. I was being rhetorical. I was hinting at the fact that proof almost never appears in studies in the natural sciences.
You would get the above graph and study each assumption and try to poke holes in every method.

I think what you're hunting for here is Karl Popper's idea of falsification. Theories must be expressed in manners which may be falsified. As long as no one can falsify a theory, it stands. As soon as the first person CAN falsify it, the theory is done.

After you have come to the conclusion that methods were sound, the assumptions correct and you can repeat the experiment over and over and get the same results, you raise your hand and say "I give".

All theories are always provisional. That is understood. You're not telling anyone anything new.

Scientific proof is being beaten over the head by empirical knowledge to the point of submission.

No, it is not. Empirical evidence is great stuff, but it does not PROVE ANYTHING.

Not before and certainly not because someone produced a bunch of numbers with a pretty multi-colored bar graph. You're up Crick.

You seem to have very close to no experience with science.
 
Explained to you TWICE CrickHam how the IPCC invented their own version of "solar radiative forcing" to make the phoney chart comply to their mission statement of finding MAN-MADE Global Warming --- instead of doing any real objective climate science. You are hopelessly worshipping the wrong "experts"...

Have you got something better?
 
Crick asked that we look up the WG1 AR5 from the IPCC. He said my questions about the science would be answered. I did. Here are some observations:
1. The IPCC is mostly made up of politicians and some professors, not the underlying scientists;

The IPCC was created by the governments of the member nations of the UN. Call them politicians if you like. It is not staffed by politicians. It's chartered function is to produce reports in support of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). Those report are required to cover "the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation." If you think those are tasks that politicians would take on for themselves, I think you need to reexamine YOUR assumptions. Can you tell us what source told you that they are staffed primarily by politicians?

That they are not staffed by the "underlying" scientists doing the research (and never have been) is no surprise to anyone even basically familiar with the IPCC. The IPCC neither conducts nor funds the conduct of research. They simply collect and assess the research being conducted in the field by qualified scientists and published in peer reviewed literature. Those assessments undergo intense and thorough technical review. The draft reports are subject to approval by the governments which sponsor this work. That is their right. But the assessment reports are not researched nor composed by politicians.

2. The AR5 is nothing more than summaries and assumptions of all underlying work with words like "High confidence", "likely", etc. So it is meaningless without the underlying studies.

The conclusions of peer reviewed studies are not "assumptions". The studies on which these assessments are based are all clearly footnoted and all are available. To say the report is meaningless because - what - they didn't include the text of the entire studies - because you're apparently incapable of looking something up? Was this really the first time you'd ever read any of AR5? The first time you'd read any of the IPCC's assessment reports? But you think you know better? You think you know what they did wrong? Good fucking grief.

3. It is impossible to absorb correctly because it is literally chocked full references and graphs, each one a class study in itself.

Too much information? I can see your denier buddies cringing... even the not-very-bright ones.

4. When trying to drill down on one assumption, "level of man made CO2", you realize that these issues are so complicated that these people do not have a clue.

Davey, Davey, Davey... someone around here truly does not have a clue, but it is not the authors of AR5.

For instance, man made CO2 in US is taken, in part, from fossil fuel production.

Almost. It is taken from fossil fuel consumption.

Then you realize that their "confidence" in knowing levels of other nations (China, India, etc.) is VERY LOW. Well that is just the rest of the world. Their numbers are bogus.

Their numbers for the estimated amount of GHG's humans have put into the atmosphere (and the ocean and the ground) is quite good. There are two basic methods: measure the isotopic characteristics of the CO2 and do the bookkeeping estimate to which you refer. CO2 from fossil fuels has a different isotopic mix than does CO2 from the ongoing carbon dioxide cycle. The numbers from the two methods agree very well. Humans are responsible for almost every single bit of the 120 ppm of CO2 added to the atmosphere since 1750. Their numbers are not "bogus".

Especially in view of assumptions based on point 4 degrees in 20 years

What assumptions are you talking about and what do they have to do with determining human GHG emissions?

, I would put this in the range of "low confidence".

You would, would you? That is distressing. Did you let them know?

5. Their solution is cap and trade.

It is? And this was the view of the First Working Group? Where did you get that Dave?

Therefore, the UN would tax all countries, making itself an uber country taxing authority.

That's uber-nonsense Dave.

That means, these people are NOT third party disinterested observers. They are asking us to make them taxing over lords.
Makes you want to go over their assumptions one more time.

Oi VEY!

Given that we all live on the same planet, drink the same water and breathe the same air, they were always interested in this topic. It's why the UN formed the IPCC: concern. But if you want to suggest that the UN taxing the world is a motive for the IPCC to lie about AGW, you're going to have to take a number to get in line with the rest of disconnected whack-jobs who think the world's climate scientists are making it all up to get rich on research grants. Although, tell your fellow whack-jobbers your idea. They might give you head of line privileges.
You are jumping around just a tad. I never said the scientists are lying. Just that someone must go through each study and check the validity of each assumption and the methodologies supporting them. That is truly voluminous and no one person can do this. And most studies have major methodological problems. A lot of people believe the UN is the perfect group for this job. I am much more skeptical. If you do not believe that cap and trade is the ultimate solution offered by virtually everybody in governments world wide, then you are not being honest. And if you do not believe that the UN would be in some kind of control of this world wide taxation, then you are not following the bouncing ball. And that is what makes me extremely skeptical to place the IPCC, who are not the actual scientists involved in the core research, in charge of telling us what it all means. They will have too much to gain if true. That may make me cynical but not a denier. In fact, I am still open. By the way, I will follow up on your CO2 isotopic info. Want to know more.
 
The results of Cook et al are correct Billy Boy. You have found no flaw with their methodology. That their author interview found even higher concurrence than their abstract review throws out the common denier accusation that they grossly misclassified the studies they reviewed. They line up with a dozen other studies. I can understand how you might seek desperately to reject them, but you have no grounds. None.

Tell us something: what percentage of climate scientists publishing in peer reviewed journals do you believe accept the theory that the primary cause of the global warming of the last century is the greenhouse effect acting on human GHG emissionis? That is, what number do you think Cook et al would have found if the study had been done as you'd have it done (and I'd be curious to hear that described)?

Alternatively, what percentage of climate scienists publishing in peer reviewed journals do you believe hold basically to YOUR position, whatever that might actually be?

What a load of HORSE SHIT!

Cook misrepresented over 99.5% of everything he touted.. his methods were shoddy at best and fraudulent at worst..Cook is a lying scum bag... But then i remember he is a liberal socialist which means you will defend his actions to your death bed..
I guess I am a little more basic in this global warming issue. I want to see verifiable and repeatable experiments that show:
1. The earth is warming. Standardize a technique and use it over a several year period. Don't manipulate the date after you standardize;
2. If it is warming, is it CO2? Here, do what good little scientists would do and perform double blind experiments eliminating, the sun, Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, water vapor, etc.
3. If it is CO2, perform another set of double blind experiments that exclude heat increasing CO2 and not CO2 increasing heat.
4. If it is CO2, is it man made CO2 and not the various other souces.

I have seen none of these. I've seen: CO2 goes up, the temperature went up, man must be killing earth. Everyone agree? Let's pass some laws that kills capitalism and destroys economies. What could go wrong?

I have posted this data many times. Empirical evidence shows that CO2 induced anything is not happening. The problem comes when those entrusted to be true to science become dependent on the government teet and in order to keep receiving their hand outs they become whores and prostitutes.

Below are two rates of warming from the Hadcrut3 lower troposphere. One is from the period 1900 through 1950 and the the other is 1951 through 2000. Below each is the rate of warming.

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The trend for the period 1900-1950 is 0.51 deg C or 0.103/decade

This trend occurred before CO2 became a rapidly increasing according to the IPCC and is near or is the Natural Variational rate.

The trend for 1951-2000 is 0.50 deg C or 0.100 deg C/decade.

This means that the two rates of warming are statistically insignificant DESPITE the rapid rise in CO2 and equal to NATURAL VARIATION..

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So by simple observation we can see the problem with the hypothesis of runaway temp caused by CO2. During the time they claim runway rise it was nothing of the sort and even given the rise in CO2 there was no discernible increase in that natural rise.

By empirical observation, the earth has shown their scam a lie. Now they have full on resorted to making shit up... FORWARD!
 
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5. Stop saying any sentence with "Denier" or "conensus" in it. This is not science, this is opinion which we have been saying all along.

No one ever claimed calling deniers "deniers" was science. Of course it's an opinion.; it's one based on their behavior. And, guess what? We're all entitled to have and express opinions.

Consensus IS part of science. It is the parameter by which the acceptance of a theory is measured. Deniers will frequently try to suggest that only if certain vaguely identified experiments are successful or only if some unspecified predictions come to pass is or should a theory like AGW be "accepted". Best of all is when they demand there be "proof". There is no authoritative entity that determines whether or not theories are accepted. The level of consensus among the experts in a given field is the ONLY way to make such a determination.

If you don't like that, feel free to suggest a better way.

Well, the better way is called science.

Did I suggest something else?

That is, you propose a theory and conduct experiments that "prove" that theory. Then, you show your work so that your "proof" is repeatable and the methodology is over-viewed. Pretty basic stuff. By the way, so I am not just a denier, I checked on the Work Group 1, AR5 report as suggested above and none of those questions were answered, so far. Still reading 1500 pages and looking for some semblance of fair play in arriving at CO2 being a causative pollutant vis a vis all of the other potential atmospheric gases and climatic change agents. Nothing so far.

I'm curious. What do you mean when you use the term "proof"? And what do you mean when you say you're still looking for some semblance of fair play re CO2? What unfairness have you seen? What fair play do you believe is lacking?

I rather doubt you've read much of WG-I in the time since I made that suggestion. But even so, if you haven't found anything pertinent, it's hard to believe you're looking seriously. Let me help:

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By the way, Crick, your entire paragraph about how consensus is part of science could have been taken out of Galileo's trial. Pope Urban: "Proof? Impossible. I'm not sailing over the edge of the earth!".

Really? That brings a couple of quick questions to mind.
1) Let's see the text of the Galileo's trial and you can point out the resemblances
2) When did Urban and priesthood make use of the scientific method as have the thousands of scientists whose work makes up the content of the IPCC's assessment reports?

Where you are mistaken is that they don't use the scientific method. The arrive at a conclusion and then manufacture the evidence to support it.
 
The results of Cook et al are correct Billy Boy. You have found no flaw with their methodology. That their author interview found even higher concurrence than their abstract review throws out the common denier accusation that they grossly misclassified the studies they reviewed. They line up with a dozen other studies. I can understand how you might seek desperately to reject them, but you have no grounds. None.

Tell us something: what percentage of climate scientists publishing in peer reviewed journals do you believe accept the theory that the primary cause of the global warming of the last century is the greenhouse effect acting on human GHG emissionis? That is, what number do you think Cook et al would have found if the study had been done as you'd have it done (and I'd be curious to hear that described)?

Alternatively, what percentage of climate scienists publishing in peer reviewed journals do you believe hold basically to YOUR position, whatever that might actually be?

What a load of HORSE SHIT!

Cook misrepresented over 99.5% of everything he touted.. his methods were shoddy at best and fraudulent at worst..Cook is a lying scum bag... But then i remember he is a liberal socialist which means you will defend his actions to your death bed..
I guess I am a little more basic in this global warming issue. I want to see verifiable and repeatable experiments that show:
1. The earth is warming. Standardize a technique and use it over a several year period. Don't manipulate the date after you standardize;
2. If it is warming, is it CO2? Here, do what good little scientists would do and perform double blind experiments eliminating, the sun, Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, water vapor, etc.
3. If it is CO2, perform another set of double blind experiments that exclude heat increasing CO2 and not CO2 increasing heat.
4. If it is CO2, is it man made CO2 and not the various other souces.

I have seen none of these. I've seen: CO2 goes up, the temperature went up, man must be killing earth. Everyone agree? Let's pass some laws that kills capitalism and destroys economies. What could go wrong?

I have posted this data many times. Empirical evidence shows that CO2 induced anything is not happening. The problem comes when those entrusted to be true to science become dependent on the government teet and in order to keep receiving their hand outs they become whores and prostitutes.

Below are two rates of warming from the Hadcrut3 lower troposphere. One is from the period 1900 through 1950 and the the other is 1951 through 2000. Below each is the rate of warming.

trend


The trend for the period 1900-1950 is 0.51 deg C or 0.103/decade

This trend occurred before CO2 became a rapidly increasing according to the IPCC and is near or is the Natural Variational rate.

The trend for 1951-2000 is 0.50 deg C or 0.100 deg C/decade.

This means that the two rates of warming are statistically insignificant DESPITE the rapid rise in CO2 and equal to NATURAL VARIATION..

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So by simple observation we can see the problem with the hypothesis of runaway temp caused by CO2. During the time they claim runway rise it was nothing of the sort and even given the rise in CO2 there was no discernible increase in that natural rise.

By empirical observation, the earth has shown their scam a lie. Now they have full on resorted to making shit up... FORWARD!
Where did you get this? Would like to learn more.
 
[QUOTE="Billy_Bob, post: 11631479, member: 50952"
What a load of HORSE SHIT!

Cook misrepresented over 99.5% of everything he touted.. his methods were shoddy at best and fraudulent at worst..Cook is a lying scum bag... But then i remember he is a liberal socialist which means you will defend his actions to your death bed..[/QUOTE]

Show us Billy.
1) How did Cook et al misrepresent over 99/5% of his claims?
2) In what way were his methods shoddy?
3) In what way were his methods fraudulent?
4) What lies has Cook told?
5) If his reviews were shoddy, fraudulent lies, how do you explain the results of the author surveys? I've brought this up a few times - and I'd think it was a pretty obvious issue with claims that his reviews are bad. But I've yet to see a response. Maybe I missed it. So, give this one top priority if you would Billy - in light of your accusations, how do you explain the results of the author review?
 
Where you are mistaken is that they don't use the scientific method. The arrive at a conclusion and then manufacture the evidence to support it.

All of them? And they all submit these manufactured data and falsified methodologies to peer reviewed journals where their co-conspirators just give them the old wink and nod and pass it on for public consumption? And at their many conferences, do they have these huge backroom meetings where they can all get their stories straight so they don't suffer any embarrassing conflicts? Is that right Paddie? Is that what you believe is actually taking place?

G.A.Y.S.
 
Well then here's my argument: No one on this forum has anything like the expertise needed to put the science into any kind of actual context. Demonstrations of knowledge commonly available on Wikipedia do nothing to argue the contrary.

Then I also have to ask, why are you here?
I don't understand the question. I'll tell you what I'm not doing here......pretending to be a scientist.
 

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