Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[francoHFW]

Everything you know is wrong. LOL.

Da Comrade, GLORIOUS Communist democrat redefine reality.

Regulation is control of the economy. And socialism always was supposed to have some democracy involved. Then people found out that Marxism and communism were scams....

IZZATRITE retard.

Join your fuckwad retard buddy in being ignored.

Come back if you want to grow up.

Thank thank you very much you are such a brainwashed waste of time....

 

[Lesh]

socialism is slavery

Socialism means you work for yourself and the other members of society together, instead of working for an elite, wealthy few.
So clearly socialism is the end of slavery, and it is capitalism that is always slavery to some degree.
Socialism mean collective, and collaborative ownership of where you work.
Which then means collective and collaborative decision making and profit sharing.
That is the opposite of slavery, in every way.

Socialism means you work for the king and his ministers and are as much the property of the rulers as the roads and the factories are.

Like Saudi Arabia.

I see

 

[basquebromance]

"The threat to America is not socialism. It is not capitalism. It is corruption. Our system is rigged to enable a handful of rich and powerful people to exploit the rest of us. Donald Trump is the most grotesque manifestation of this problem, but it has been with us for decades."

 

[Andylusion]

Wow but you are fucking liar, what a shameless pile of shit you are, fuckwad.

You going to trot out the Protocols of the Elders of Zion again? You know you are, you festering and putrid boil.

Truth hurts you huh?

If you don't like people attacking your character........... have better character. Stop lying.

Truth hurts you huh?

If you don't like people attacking your character........... have better character. Stop lying.

Back to the subject.
Do you see any lies in the following?

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

"Thyssen owned the largest steel and coal company in Germany and grew rich from Hitler's efforts to re-arm between the two world wars.

"One of the pillars in Thyssen's international corporate web, UBC, worked exclusively for, and was owned by, a Thyssen-controlled bank in the Netherlands.

"More tantalising are Bush's links to the Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC), based in mineral rich Silesia on the German-Polish border.

"During the war, the company made use of Nazi slave labour from the concentration camps, including Auschwitz.

"The ownership of CSSC changed hands several times in the 1930s, but documents from the US National Archive declassified last year link Bush to CSSC, although it is not clear if he and UBC were still involved in the company when Thyssen's American assets were seized in 1942."

Is it a lie to say Fritz Thyssen and the Bush family practiced capitalism?

Is it lying to claim Hitler's National Socialists would have found it much more difficult to gain power in Germany without the backing of prominent western capitalists?

HENRY FORD WAS A NAZI! — Steemit

And the question is.......... so what? Yes I see a bunch of lies here..... the lies are the implication that because someone ages ago did something, means that we should destroy people in 2019 over actions in 1930.

There were many people in the 1920/30s that supported Hitler. Many. And most were left-wingers to be honest, because Hitler was for free education and infrastructure spending, and all sort of left-wing ideals still be pushed by the moronic left today. Lefties have only complained about people who supported Hitler, after it was fashionable to do so.

Just like many supported Hugo Chavez, and now that the left-wing dictatorship is causing mass starvation while exporting money into foreign accounts.... NOW... they are against it.

The only difference between the two, is that the left-wing support of Hugo Chavez was in the last 20 years. The support by some great grand father of Bush, for Hitler or whatever, was just under a 100 years ago, and all the people in question are dead. I know people that had Hugo Chavez as their avatar, as being a model to follow, who used to post on this forum.

So spare me "we have to go back to WW2 to prove we're better than you" BS crap. You are not. The very fact you have to go that far back to come up with some pathetic reason that you are better than someone else.... that alone proves you are not better than anyone. Totally pathetic.

And the question is.......... so what? Yes I see a bunch of lies here..... the lies are the implication that because someone ages ago did something, means that we should destroy people in 2019 over actions in 1930.

What specific lie do you see here?
Is it lying to say Fritz Thyssen and the Bush family practiced capitalism and not socialism?
Did Bush and Thyssen help Hitler rise to power?

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

"By the time Fritz Thyssen inherited the business empire in 1926, Germany's economic recovery was faltering.

"After hearing Adolf Hitler speak, Thyssen became mesmerised by the young firebrand.

"He joined the Nazi party in December 1931 and admits backing Hitler in his autobiography, I Paid Hitler, when the National Socialists were still a radical fringe party.

"He stepped in several times to bail out the struggling party: in 1928 Thyssen had bought the Barlow Palace on Briennerstrasse, in Munich, which Hitler converted into the Brown House, the headquarters of the Nazi party.

"The money came from another Thyssen overseas institution, the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvarrt in Rotterdam.

"By the late 1930s, Brown Brothers Harriman, which claimed to be the world's largest private investment bank, and UBC had bought and shipped millions of dollars of gold, fuel, steel, coal and US treasury bonds to Germany, both feeding and financing Hitler's build-up to war."

Can you name any left-wingers who supported Hitler in the 1920s/30s?

Huh? Henry Ford himself was a left-winger. You yourself mentioned left-wingers that supported Hitler.

German Consulate List 1945

If you want, you can see this list. This was captured in an FBI raid, where they found documents of hundreds of names, of pro-nazi sympathizers in Hollywood. The list contains super wealthy elites, Hollywood actors, and professors at UCLA and more.

Now unless you want to claim that all the UCLA professors, and hollywood actors, and the rich elites of Hollywood California were all right-wing..... I would suggest this alone is proof.

But be my guest trying to prove they were all right-wingers. We all know how right-wing religious conservative UCLA and Hollywood actors have been for decades.

 

[Andylusion]

"The threat to America is not socialism. It is not capitalism. It is corruption. Our system is rigged to enable a handful of rich and powerful people to exploit the rest of us. Donald Trump is the most grotesque manifestation of this problem, but it has been with us for decades."

Trump, thus far, has been the least corrupt. He has openly said what he believes, he has pushed what he believes regardless of the hostile influences around him, and he has accomplished much of what he believes.

I'm not sure what your bonkers definition of corruption is, but someone who believes X, ignores the massive influence to change his belief on X, and ends up accomplishing X, is the very definition of non-corrupt.

Corruption is more like what happened in New York, where everyone says they hate big companies, then they suddenly want big companies to come into the city when the company offers a bunch of favors, until they get blow back from special interest groups, and then magically hate big companies again, until the company abandons the project and leaves... then it's magically "see the company was bad".

Everything about that entire deal in New York, was corruption from start to finish. Those politicians flip flopped all over the place, when money or favors were dangled in front of them.

Cory Booker was the same way. He was openly in favor of jobs, until influences cause him to change his position. I would wager anything, he's be pro-business again if the right influences were putting pressure on him.

 

[danielpalos]

There are no true AnCaps. Socialism abounds everywhere.

 

[Uncensored2008]

socialism is slavery

Socialism means you work for yourself and the other members of society together, instead of working for an elite, wealthy few.
So clearly socialism is the end of slavery, and it is capitalism that is always slavery to some degree.
Socialism mean collective, and collaborative ownership of where you work.
Which then means collective and collaborative decision making and profit sharing.
That is the opposite of slavery, in every way.

Socialism means you work for the king and his ministers and are as much the property of the rulers as the roads and the factories are.

Like Saudi Arabia.

I see

SA is a monarchy. VERY similar to socialism. Same basic concept.

 

[Andylusion]

Just like many supported Hugo Chavez, and now that the left-wing dictatorship is causing mass starvation while exporting money into foreign accounts.... NOW... they are against it.

Would you care to explain how a country (Venezuela) which never nationalized its banks can practice socialism?

The center of the US global economic empire is the US dollar. "more than 85% of all global trade (export and import) is done in dollars.

"Certain commodities, like global oil and oil futures are traded virtually only in dollars." 95% of Venezuela's government revenues come from selling oil.

When the US imposes economic sanctions on would-be buyers, this cuts off access to dollars and encourages dollar flight out of Venezuela.

Denying Venezuela access to dollar denominated bank loans and bond issuance leads directly to business collapse and even more unemployment.

The US is using the dollar to make Venezuela's economy scream the same way it did to Chile in 1973.

Financial Imperialism-The Case of Venezuela

No, you are full of crap. Posting garbage, isn't a replacement for an argument.

 

[Lesh]

"The threat to America is not socialism. It is not capitalism. It is corruption. Our system is rigged to enable a handful of rich and powerful people to exploit the rest of us. Donald Trump is the most grotesque manifestation of this problem, but it has been with us for decades."

Screw this shit stirrer

We would be screwed without capitalism and screwed without socialism.

We are a mixed system and one without the other is a fucking disaster.

Socialism is not a dirty word and neither is capitalism...although we wouldn't want one without the other in a million years

 

[Lesh]

SA is a monarchy. VERY similar to socialism. Same basic concept.

I'm not exactly sure what you meant in that stupid worded post but consider this...

The government (monarchy) controls ALL businesses

And HALF the country is on welfare.

Saudi Arabia certainly sounds like a socialist country..ya think?

 

[Bush92]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Socialism and communism produced death.

 

[Lesh]

I mention SA because both SA and Venezuela have economies based on oil and both are socialist. Both are corrupt as well

Only one has collapsed. And it collapsed because of the MASSIVE corruption. Ya just can't steal ALL the fucking money and keep a country going

 

[Lesh]

Screw this shit stirrer

We would be screwed without capitalism and screwed without socialism.

We are a mixed system and one without the other is a fucking disaster.

Socialism is not a dirty word and neither is capitalism...although we wouldn't want one without the other in a million years

Socialism and communism produced death.

So you just talk past the opposition? Did you bother to read what I posted?

 

[Bush92]

Please define communism, socialism, and capitalism.... so we can know what you are talking about or thinking each are, before we answer!

Communism is a command economy with total control and central planning. Marx said democracy, free speech, free press and religion cannot be allowed under such a system. Socialism is when the government controls huge segments of the economy. This results in very high taxes and inflationary practices. Capitalism is when people can go as far as their talent and motivation can take them. In a socialist system people strive for mediocrity. Under capitalism people strive for success.

 

[Bush92]

I mention SA because both SA and Venezuela have economies based on oil and both are socialist. Both are corrupt as well

Only one has collapsed. And it collapsed because of the MASSIVE corruption. Ya just can't steal ALL the fucking money and keep a country going

Tis the nature of Pig Rule as Orwell called it in Animal Farm.

 

[Bush92]

SA is a monarchy. VERY similar to socialism. Same basic concept.

I'm not exactly sure what you meant in that stupid worded post but consider this...

The government (monarchy) controls ALL businesses

And HALF the country is on welfare.

Saudi Arabia certainly sounds like a socialist country..ya think?

It’s a theocratic monarchy.

 

[otto105]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

According to conservatives Socialism has produced the following.

Your local police force
Medicare
Your local fire department
The five day work week
Social Security
Public Schools
State Universities
The EPA
OSHA
Unions
A Middle Class
The Civil Rights Bill
Social Justice

 

[Bush92]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

According to conservatives Socialism has produced the following.

Your local police force
Medicare
Your local fire department
The five day work week
Social Security
Public Schools
State Universities
The EPA
OSHA
Unions
A Middle Class
The Civil Rights Bill
Social Justice

Socialism produced none of those things.

 

[Lesh]

Those ARE socialist things my friend.

If it ain't free market...it's socialist and none of those things are free market

 

[Bush92]

Socialism = communism and that = death.